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Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-19-2010, 12:03 PM Reply   
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html

I am not sure why this isn't on the national news yet, but this crap makes my blood boil. Who do these people think they are!
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       02-19-2010, 12:16 PM Reply   
If I went to that school first thing I would have done with that computer, cover the webcam with tape... maybe thats against their code or something.

10 to 1 says the kid got caught jackin it
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-19-2010, 12:19 PM Reply   
Thats the other disturbing part. They are trying to discipline the kid for something he did at home!
Old    Sam Ingram (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       02-19-2010, 12:24 PM Reply   
This is common place in Europe, they have cameras everywhere including in your home. The authorities will come to your house and tell you that you are not raising your kids properly....
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       02-19-2010, 12:26 PM Reply   
Wow, talk about an invasion of privacy.
Old    Sam Ingram (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       02-19-2010, 12:33 PM Reply   
See...

But "they" are trying to put it into the works here in the US too...

The original article has been deleted, but the google cache still works...

Houston eyes cameras at apartment complexes

Check out the quote in the article...

"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?" Chief Harold Hurtt told reporters Wednesday at a regular briefing.

and

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association said that although some would consider cameras an invasion of privacy, "I think a lot of people would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them."

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;
The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.
Old    Pound (snyder)      Join Date: Feb 2006       02-19-2010, 12:36 PM Reply   
i wondered when this story would hit WW. it's utterly inexcusable. but admittedly not surprising. as a parent, i'd have a hard time not going to jail over something like that.
I would want their servers pulled and scanned for any other such "surveilance"
Old     (fatsac)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-19-2010, 12:38 PM Reply   
That is not a stretch, Sam. Terrifying, imo. The chief's response is sickening.

(Message edited by fatsac on February 19, 2010)
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-19-2010, 12:44 PM Reply   
Thats a little different than having a camera snuck into your home. I can't see them getting away with putting them in apartments, but in the parking lots of high crime areas I really don't see the big deal.
Old    Sam Ingram (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       02-19-2010, 1:05 PM Reply   

quote:

By Paul (psudy) on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 12:44 pm:
Thats a little different than having a camera snuck into your home. I can't see them getting away with putting them in apartments, but in the parking lots of high crime areas I really don't see the big deal.




Yup, that's what they said in Europe too...

and so it goes...

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I carry a gun everyday, everywhere, because I can not carry a police officer...


From my NEW favorite book Unintended Consequences by John Ross

May 7,1973

"And so, Hobbes said that our lives are 'nasty, brutish, and short', and he used that as justification for the
dictatorial powers of the monarch. Only by granting the State total power will we ever overcome our
natural condition, which is to be perpetually at war with one another." The Political Science course the
professor was teaching was listed in the course catalog with a dry-sounding title that no one remembered.
Throughout the Amherst campus it was referred to as 'Right and Wrong'. Henry Bowman liked the class,
mainly because the professor who taught it had a very sharp mind.

"Hobbes is just talking about our old friend, the..." and with this, the lecturer gestured with his arm to show
the class he wanted someone to finish the sentence for him.

"Benevolent dictatorship," a Senior in the second row said quickly.

"Exactly, Mr. Hagner. Hobbes' Leviathan is just one more scholarly justification for forfeiting your rights
and allowing yourself to be subjugated by the State. Learned, reasoned, articulate, and wrong. Thomas
Hobbes has merely—Mr. Bowman," the professor said suddenly, "you are shaking your head. That usually
means you disagree with something that's been said. What is it?"

"Professor Arkes, I don't disagree with the basic principle, but it's not enough just to say, Totalitarian
regimes are wrong, so don't let the State enslave you'. That's like saying, 'Don't get sick'. The important
question is, when do you know it's going to become enslavement? When is the proper time to resist with
force?"

"Please elaborate, Mr. Bowman." Henry took a deep breath.

"The end result, which we want to avoid, is the concentration camp. The gulag. The gas chamber. The
Spanish Inquisition. All of those things. If you are in a death camp, no one would fault you for resisting.
But when you're being herded towards the gas chamber, naked and seventy pounds below your healthy
weight, it's too late. You have no chance. On the other hand, no one would support you if you started an
armed rebellion because the government posts speed limits on open roads and arrests people for speeding.
So when was it not too late, but also not too early?"

BTW, if anyone wants the book I have it on PDF...
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-19-2010, 1:12 PM Reply   
I didn't read your first link on Europe. Thats F'd up.

You do not, and never had, a right to privacy in public places.
Old    Steve - O (misteve)      Join Date: Aug 2007       02-19-2010, 1:30 PM Reply   
I am NOT by any means condoning it, but in the first article it said the school issued the laptop to the students, meaning the school owns them.

I'm thinking they must be thinking they can do this because although the students are at home the laptop is still property of the school?

Either way it's effed...
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-19-2010, 1:33 PM Reply   
I was thinking that too Steve. That maybe the kid got into trouble for what he was looking at on the laptop at home(porn or something), but it clearly states the Principal had a pic of the kid from the webcame, which means he was looking into his/her house.
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-19-2010, 1:34 PM Reply   
webcam.
Old    Sam Ingram (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       02-19-2010, 1:41 PM Reply   

quote:

By Paul (psudy) on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 1:12 pm:
I didn't read your first link on Europe. Thats F'd up.

You do not, and never had, a right to privacy in public places.




Actually, that's not always, true, but that is what "they" will tell you...

See

Katz v. United States, 389 US 347 - Supreme Court 1967

United States v. Chadwick, 433 US 1 - Supreme Court 1977

In a public place, if a legitimate expectation of privacy exists, then it is protected...
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-19-2010, 1:51 PM Reply   
Sure, my point was what expectation of privacy would you have if you were walking down the street? I wouldn't have much.
Old    Akadirtbikingdad (wakeboardingdad)      Join Date: Aug 2008       02-19-2010, 6:41 PM Reply   
Uh oh. Looks like the kid will never have to worry about school again.... or working.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-20-2010, 6:10 AM Reply   
Why don't they throw the Principal in jail and charge him with being a sexual predator?
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       02-20-2010, 6:18 AM Reply   
This is common place in Europe, they have cameras everywhere including in your home. The authorities will come to your house and tell you that you are not raising your kids properly....

LMFAO - one born every minute.
Old    Sam Ingram (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       02-20-2010, 8:25 AM Reply   
So Small D,

Do you need more examples or what?

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