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Old     (mtownrydr)      Join Date: Apr 2008       04-11-2009, 2:48 PM Reply

Looks like somebody got the hint on a core boat that throws a the trailer doesn't come standard w/ 20's. Anyone know what the price on these boats are?
Old     (mtownrydr)      Join Date: Apr 2008       04-11-2009, 2:54 PM Reply   
Just found it says they will sell for 29,000. Still a hefty price for a closed bow boat not backed by a large company like malibu. I think I would prob drop the extra 10k on an axis.
Old     (raftisland)      Join Date: Aug 2006       04-11-2009, 3:34 PM Reply   
definitely not a good looking boat which is going to make it very hard to sell. you are paying for what you get. would much rather spend the extra 15-20k and get the axis for a price point boat. plus these boats dont look very practical.
Old     (mikef9844)      Join Date: Sep 2008       04-11-2009, 3:37 PM Reply   
haha, i'm going to let everyone else comment on this one...
Old     (dohboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       04-11-2009, 3:47 PM Reply   
Old     (wakebrdr38)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-11-2009, 3:48 PM Reply   
looks like they flashed a 2001's bottom and then tweeked it some making the bow sit higher. The top deck is obviously differnt, and IMO not in a good way at all. My 2001 has more features than that boat and its 23 years old!
Old     (mtownrydr)      Join Date: Apr 2008       04-11-2009, 4:13 PM Reply   
haha yea I don't think 30k for that boat is gonna work tower is pretty ugly as well.
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       04-11-2009, 4:23 PM Reply   
yup, ugly indeed
Old     (wakerpunk)      Join Date: Jan 2006       04-11-2009, 4:25 PM Reply   
if they tweak the windshield and tower they could get it dialed for a price point. A little design change could go a long way assuming the wake is dialed...
Old     (spinner_x)      Join Date: Jun 2008       04-11-2009, 4:55 PM Reply   
I could make something better than that.
Old     (02wakesettervlx)      Join Date: Jun 2001       04-11-2009, 5:29 PM Reply   
Looks to me like someone bought the old 2001 molds.
Old     (michaelspsp)      Join Date: Sep 2007       04-11-2009, 5:38 PM Reply   
it's 19 ft and holds 6 people... Axis all the way
Old     (wakebrdr38)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-11-2009, 5:44 PM Reply   
Im not so sure someone bought the molds at all. There has been discussion before on about flashing a mold off of a stripped out 2001. If thats what they did they weren't thinking at all and messed it up bad. The bow sits higher on that boat than a 2001 so I think they copied it and changed it some. If you want to see something really crazy in a good way go check out the v drive conversion pics on a 2001 at Not many pics yet but there is a lot of talk and a few pics and it is starting to finally come together. Should be pretty sweet.
Old     (wakebrdr38)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-11-2009, 5:46 PM Reply   
oh and a 2001 is 18 ft 9 in. and 20 ft 1 inch with the platform. I could easily see them call it a 19 foot boat.
Old     (dh03r6)      Join Date: Mar 2007       04-11-2009, 6:01 PM Reply   
I like everything but the tower and the price. Bring that thing in for around 20 and im in.
Old    murrayair            04-11-2009, 6:05 PM Reply   
For 30 grand I'll go find a very slightly used V-drive Moomba.
Old     (hayes)      Join Date: Aug 2007       04-11-2009, 6:13 PM Reply   
Terrible idea. Why can someone not just copy the 1995-2005 SAN hull with bare bones options (perfect pass, ballast, tower) and sell it for $20-25k.
Old     (w00taz)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-11-2009, 6:31 PM Reply   
I dunno I kinda like it. only gripe would be the silly tower mount on the bottom.
Old     (bmartin)      Join Date: Jan 2007       04-11-2009, 6:50 PM Reply   
I like the concept but have to agree that they missed the mark on styling. Can't say I'm too thrilled about Axis styling either. Do people intentionally make budget boats ugly???

If it throws a decent wake, I can see this for the budget oriented buyer that has to have a new ride. With a little bit of dealing maybe you can get a trailer thrown in and actually get on the water for less than 30K?
Old     (wakerpunk)      Join Date: Jan 2006       04-11-2009, 6:58 PM Reply   
both boats have ugly windshields in my opinion
Old     (mike2001)      Join Date: Feb 2008       04-11-2009, 8:44 PM Reply   
To anyone who seems to have the real solution to creating a budget boat, why don't you throw together the business plan, get the investors and do it yourself and cash in. So many people come on here and say how obviously easy it is to do and that's it.

Good luck to another company trying to help drive prices in the industry down. I just hope this doesn't turn into the Axis thread w/ all the negativity.
Old     (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       04-11-2009, 8:53 PM Reply   
put a nicer looking tower on it, a better looking windshield, and make the engine box more rounded, and then I think it could be a good looking boat
Old     (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-11-2009, 9:52 PM Reply   
I think this is great for our sport. if $30k with trailer is the real price, I think it is a great deal.

closed bow= most people fill the bow with extra ballast anyways, so what wakeboarders need an open bow?

4 year warranty on motor
lifetime hull

speed control

ugly tower= who cares, it has a place to connect your line, and it will hold speakers/lights.

ballast is extra $= that is the only real "negative"... but you will probably only need 2k lbs to get a real good wake with this small of a hull.

When the Axis came out for $39K... everyone was ripping them saying a "real price point boat would be an old nauty hull, tower, speed control and ballast... for $30k".

looks like somebody was listening. (granted, we do not know what kind of hull it is)

this is a good thing.
Old     (waterdork88)      Join Date: Aug 2005       04-11-2009, 10:04 PM Reply   
I could care less about the looks, I want to ride the wake for myself
Old     (wakeborder5)      Join Date: Jun 2002       04-11-2009, 10:27 PM Reply   
The axis windshield is definitely uglier. The boat wouldn't be bad looking exterior-wise if they got a tower that fit the lines of the boat.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       04-11-2009, 10:57 PM Reply   
Change the tower, make it V-drive and it wouldn't be so bad.

I think if it was V-drive too you could squeeze 8 in there.

a baby step, but a step non-the-less in the right direction
Old     (michaelspsp)      Join Date: Sep 2007       04-12-2009, 7:38 AM Reply   
to each his own. i like the axis windshield...
Old     (robandrus)      Join Date: Feb 2002       04-12-2009, 8:10 AM Reply   
I can't even tell you how many times I've heard on this board "Why can't someone just make the 2001 hull and sell it cheap."

Looks like someone did. Look for the positive.
"Don't be hatin"
Old     (nick_in_ssp)      Join Date: Aug 2006       04-12-2009, 8:18 AM Reply   
A few minor changes and this boat would be pimp.
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       04-12-2009, 8:44 AM Reply   
The problem I see is that anybody could go out and buy a nautique 2001 and spend 10k restoring and adding features and would have pretty much the same boat.
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       04-12-2009, 2:28 PM Reply   
wait wait, is that one of them weird towers with the rope hitch pointing down?
someone please point out the benefit of having a hitch point down vs up like most?
wouldn't the rope hit the edges of the tower on fast wide cuts? i don't get it
Old     (malibuboats4)      Join Date: Sep 2008       04-12-2009, 2:34 PM Reply   
maybe a more comfortable looking drivers seat?
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       04-12-2009, 2:39 PM Reply   
they have a nice environmental approach on the build process

"Instead of spraying or brushing on a coat of resin between each fiberglass layer like many boat manufacturers do, Sheer and his crew lay down 10 to 14 layers of fiberglass sheets into a mold, cover it with a vacuum-sealed plastic bag and then pump the resin into the bag.

The resin saturates the fiberglass layers and hardens to form the hull of the boat. Many of the boat's other fiberglass parts are made the same way."
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       04-12-2009, 2:47 PM Reply   
best pic of the wake from here (if you havn't looked around at the site enough to see it)

but who knows the speed and there is probably just the weight of two peeps?
Old     (xmarksthespot)      Join Date: Oct 2006       04-12-2009, 3:27 PM Reply   
standard...the tower is on backwards....your welcome.

(Message edited by xmarksthespot on April 12, 2009)
Old     (jay_g)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-12-2009, 3:40 PM Reply   
Just get an outback V fully loaded for a few K more
Old     (ian_ashton)      Join Date: Jul 2008       04-12-2009, 5:11 PM Reply   
I saw this at the Windermere Wakefest. I thought it was a pretty cool boat, and definately budget minded. For $27k this thing comes with the essentials and I'd assume a warranty. Its budget where others fail. It is not fancy, and I think its a cool idea. I hope the company has enough time to evolve, as I think it has potential.
Old     (ian_ashton)      Join Date: Jul 2008       04-12-2009, 5:14 PM Reply   
In fact, here is a picture I took of it;

Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       04-12-2009, 5:24 PM Reply   
It is definately the 2001 mold or something identical to it. I prefer the look of the Nautique 2001 with a 2nd gen FCT myself.

I would be interested to see what they are actually selling for. If they are actually expecting to get 27.5-30 I think they are going to have a very hard time. For 30-35 you can get a Moomba Outback V or a Sanger V210 which are both vdrives.
Old     (fulltilt429)      Join Date: Apr 2007       04-12-2009, 5:29 PM Reply   
the towers backwards...idiots.
Old     (jackeh)      Join Date: May 2008       04-12-2009, 5:57 PM Reply   
hey at least they are trying, i agree its not my favorite boat, but people are throwing ideas out and i think that's what counts.
Old     (polkaking27)      Join Date: Feb 2005       04-12-2009, 6:31 PM Reply   
I was in Florida a couple weeks ago and saw this boat out on the Lake. I was able to go out on it and even got a set behind it. The first thing I thought was "sweet and new version of the 2001".

Here are a couple of my thoughts. Boat actually exceeded my expectataions. The fit and finish is really nice, the tower takes some getting used to... but hey so did the illusion tower on Bu's, the one gauge does EVERYTHING but it would be nice to have some other ones there, there is plenty of power - the boat is on plane before you have even accelerated(I guess thats what you get when you put a 5.7 on a 19' boat) and the wake was awesome.

The one really unique part of the boat was the dash box... it lifts up in the middle where it is connected to the windshield. It definitely made the closed bow a lot more useful than the other closed bow's i've been on. (I think I have a pic of this somewhere, I'll post if I find it)

Anyway, Overall I think it is an awesome idea. And he is headed in the right direction. He said the price was in the $25-27K range. He also mentioned that a v-drive was in the works

(Message edited by polkaking27 on April 12, 2009)
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       04-12-2009, 6:58 PM Reply   
hey, I bet this boat is great to ski behind
Old     (bbr)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-12-2009, 7:08 PM Reply   
I would certainly spend the other 10K and get the Axis. You can't even compare the two....Axis wins hands down. For the record that pic of the wake above is horrible. I know, I know, we don't know how fast they are going or the weight, but still.

If they were to have a v-drive coming out later, then maybe it would be a worthy discussion. Not until then.
Old     (mtnsun)      Join Date: Aug 2007       04-12-2009, 7:45 PM Reply   
I think it's pretty sweet. Looks clean with a simple yet effective design.
Old     (wakecrzy2000)      Join Date: Apr 2004       04-12-2009, 8:42 PM Reply   
yea its no AXIS, but for the people that have a hard time getting 40-60k boat 27k is a wakeboarders dream. Its something you can buy and add the things you like as you get more money vs. getting a malibu or whatever and being in debt.
Old     (conar)      Join Date: Mar 2009       04-12-2009, 8:49 PM Reply   
personal i think that is an ugly ass boat... no offence to any owner, but i just don't find that boat attractive and the wake doesn't even look that good
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       04-12-2009, 9:07 PM Reply   
I like it!

BTW, in 2006 a signature series SAN 210 could be had for $40k. A Sanger V210 for less. Nothing beats either one for the money.

Also, when you copy a boat hull by using an existing boat as a plug and building a new mold it's called a "Splash", not a flash. It's actually a time honored tradition in the boat business! You really have to watch out for "hook" in the new mold.
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       04-12-2009, 9:11 PM Reply   
here is the bow thing polkaking mentionedUpload

funny thing is that i noticed two additional things weee posted in the "about us" section. a blog and a press release were added within the last couple of hours. there is some riding pics in the blog. not so perfect weather was mentioned in the blog

... actually the whole site changed just a bit. wonder if this thread had anything to do with it?

i wish 'em luck though no matter what i or anyone else thinks/ thought.

(Message edited by wakerider111 on April 12, 2009)
Old     (kraig)      Join Date: Dec 2002       04-12-2009, 9:39 PM Reply   
Sam, a Nauti 210 for $40K? New from the dealer? Hmmm.... why am I finding that hard to believe? Now I could be wrong, but a new Nautique 210 Signature series for $40K? I gotta see the proof on that one. Wakeworld is showing the MSRP for a 210 in 2006 was $48,336.00. Dont' know what else the Signature series has on it and rarely does anyone pay MSRP, but still.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       04-12-2009, 9:47 PM Reply   
Ok, I'm a liar. Just don't tell my brother who has one in his garage.

(Message edited by Wakeboardsam on April 12, 2009)
Old     (polkaking27)      Join Date: Feb 2005       04-12-2009, 9:48 PM Reply   
Yea, thats what I was talking about. Its pretty handy. When I was riding there were 2 sacs, probably about 450 each, and 3 people. The wake was pretty similar to the 2001's that I have ridden, pretty boosty and steep (regular Nautique thing)
Old     (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       04-12-2009, 10:29 PM Reply   
You guys are so funny. In every other price point boat thread you guys ask for a boat just like this for this price, but now you say why not spend a few k more. you will never be satisfied.
Old     (mtownrydr)      Join Date: Apr 2008       04-12-2009, 11:07 PM Reply   
I think everyone said do a boat like this but the price is wrong for a closed bow d drive tiny boat. I think this boat at say 19,900 would really make a statement and maybe sell alot/ even but pressure on other manufacturers to put out a more affordable model. Also a new company especially selling boats now just starting up...jumping into a 30k investment is not small. For 30k I could get like an 02 or 03 xstar or like an 06 mobius lsv. I know that boat will not be new but that is just the reality of the matter.
Old     (mtownrydr)      Join Date: Apr 2008       04-12-2009, 11:17 PM Reply   
This is going to turn into another axis thread I'm sure...I am not trying to bash this company at all because new boats are great, but I was just pretty hyped when I came across this boat and then got pretty un-hyped when I saw the price tag 30 thousand plus tax. Hard having a student income at my age and really wanting to own a real wake boat. Hopefully my day will come soon.
Old     (joe_crawley)      Join Date: Jan 2007       04-12-2009, 11:24 PM Reply   
So sweet that that people are out there building inboards like this at these prices, this means really good things for everybody interested in wakeboarding.

As far as the tower goes- I'm not a fan, but Malibu has made a killing selling boats with towers on backwards- so it wouldn't surprise me if these towers were received well. It needs a ski pylon as well- maybe that is an option?

And for those who say get an Axis/Moomba/X1 instead- 2 points:

1. Do you know how much money $10k is? That's more money than most people make in a year after taxes and car/house payments.

2. Do you honestly think someone considering this boat would also be considering an Axis? 22ft 100in beam pickle fork vs 19ft 84in beam closed bow? Seriously? This boat is for the skier/boarder who trailers and wants a boat that handles well. It would also be an F1 car to the Axis' Suburban in terms of handling.
Old     (epic1)      Join Date: Oct 2006       04-12-2009, 11:54 PM Reply   
if there was a v drive in the next three years under 32k with trailer, and some steeze, it might be my cherry popper!
Old     (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       04-13-2009, 5:38 AM Reply   
If I was boat shopping right now I'd seriously consider this boat. I'd just get it with a different tower.
Old     (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-13-2009, 6:11 AM Reply   
Kudos to these guys. To the owners of Standard, hook up with New Dimension and throw a FCT on that boat :-)
Old     (bjeremi)      Join Date: Mar 2006       04-13-2009, 6:48 AM Reply   
I like it! Hate the tower but I guess you could probably order it without it. You can't really compare it to the illusion I think because this tower actually looks like it's on backwards. The d-drive think sucks a little bit because of the fact that it makes it harder to hide weight. If it was a vdrive I would be sold.
Old     (polkaking27)      Join Date: Feb 2005       04-13-2009, 9:07 AM Reply   
I wonder how much the Merc 5.7 engine costs.(does anyone know?) It seems like the engine is probably where most of the cost is coming from, I've heard they can run upwards of $15K.

I agree with the v-drive comments. Although he made it work as best as possible with the inboard d-drive setup, if the v-drive was anywhere near the same price point you can count me in.
Old     (pavement_rider)      Join Date: Feb 2009       04-13-2009, 9:59 AM Reply   
Fantasy world too many of you live in a fantasy world. Change this change that a little tweak here a small tweak there. This all adds up to higher cost's dodo heads. I think these guys did a pretty good job of bringing an affordable new boat to market.Unfortunately that market is brutal with comments like well who would pay that without the backing of brand A,or B and skier X or boarder Y. So now all these guys need to do is sponsor up some boarders and skiers sell out to the big guys (which of course will make the boats more expensive) and the we can all complain about another over priced wakeboat co.
Old     (pavement_rider)      Join Date: Feb 2009       04-13-2009, 10:14 AM Reply   
for that bring it in under 20 comment how?
Motor = 15K
trailer = 3K
under water gear = 1k
interior & tower = 2k
correct craft tower fee =$150
Fiberglass and Gel coat =1.5k
I,m already at 22.5 and haven't even bought a nut or bolt to put that thing together. Luckily these guys live in Florida where labor is free so the won't have that cost to add
Old     (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       04-13-2009, 10:15 AM Reply   
I love it!

only question is.....
What happens when you dip the bow?
Old     (roverjohn)      Join Date: Dec 2007       04-13-2009, 10:19 AM Reply   
Most people could not care less about a big name rider being sponsored, blinged out boats, pro audio, stripper poles, or room for a crew of eleven. Maybe on this site boat salesman and their customers do but not elsewhere. There are a lot of families where a 17 yo male does not make the buying decisions who still wakeboard. If this boat had a better looking tower and maybe some nicer graphics it would look fine. If it's true that the engine retails for $15k, which sounds high to me, I wonder what they could sell an engineless boat for. $15K-17K ? That would rock for someone like me who has two marineized small blocks sitting in their garage.
Old     (cwfunrider)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-13-2009, 10:20 AM Reply   
I like it. It's different for sure, but at that price, I'd take different.

Gangstar is right, 10K is a big difference for most people in the entry level market. Let's say 40K for 84mo at 8% = 630 a month VS. 30K for 84mo at 8% = 460. That 150 a month extra for gas.
Old     (trdon)      Join Date: Sep 2007       04-13-2009, 10:21 AM Reply   
I never understood how they come up with 15K for an engine. I have built and known builders that put way less than 15K into a 800hp drag motor with a supercharger, full fuel system, ect ect ect. To make a motor with 300-350 hp is easy and way the heck cheaper than 15K. You could easily do a carb motor top to bottom for under 7k that would do everything and be on the cheap too.
Old     (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       04-13-2009, 10:24 AM Reply   
Gary - what motor costs $15K?


I like the boat and agree with the "$20K and I'm in" comment.
Old     (bjeremi)      Join Date: Mar 2006       04-13-2009, 10:27 AM Reply   
Allright I'll recant the vdrive comment, tower still needs to change though.
Old     (roverjohn)      Join Date: Dec 2007       04-13-2009, 10:30 AM Reply   
Luker, Those prices are for long blocks so I could see at least $2500 more when you dress then with marine exhaust, a water pump and plumbing, and some sort of induction system so maybe $7-8 ready to drop in.
Old     (roverjohn)      Join Date: Dec 2007       04-13-2009, 10:32 AM Reply   
I guess add whatever a pair of catalysts cost too as I think the motor they offer is equipped with them so maybe it is close to $10k?

(Message edited by roverjohn on April 13, 2009)
Old    K.B.C.            04-13-2009, 10:33 AM Reply   
If that's a 2001 hull, which it looks to be, isn't production just gonna get stopped? I can't imagine CC allowing him to continue new production of one of their hulls.
Old     (roverjohn)      Join Date: Dec 2007       04-13-2009, 10:37 AM Reply   
The other thing no one has mentioned yet is that the guy is planning to sell direct to the end user. Yeah!
Old     (bmartin)      Join Date: Jan 2007       04-13-2009, 10:38 AM Reply   
What would you say a 19 1/2 foot Bayliner would cost your with tower and 8 banger? Check below to see for yourself.

I think bayliner make decent boats, but probably not to the standard many here are acustomed to, but if Bayliner can't list a 19 footer with an 8 cylinder and tower for under $30K, I think these guys are on to something. This may be a boat that can go after the I/O buyers directly and beat them on price. I still think they could have made it more visually apealing without adding costs, but to each their own.
Old     (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       04-13-2009, 10:43 AM Reply   
John - noted... $8k is still well short of the suggested $15K above.

$20K is totally doable.
Old     (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       04-13-2009, 10:43 AM Reply   
The 2001 hull has been passed around more than a sorority girl. If this IS the hull, this guy found a way to make it work, while others weren't.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       04-13-2009, 10:52 AM Reply   
House Judiciary Committee on Hull Splashing...

Hull Splashing

Also, at least one major wake boat manufacturer has one splashed hull in their inventory. It started out as an I/O and is now a v-drive. The guy who runs the company has a dad who was actually in a hull splashing war in the 60's and 70's. He was famous for splashing a hull. They went back and fourth splashing each others hulls trying to out do the other.

Actually, I am wrong, they have taken the splashed hull out of their line up. My mistake, the hull that was copied was the Chaparral Sunesta. Maybe it didn't sell or they had to remove it, I have no idea.

Splashing a hull and getting away with it is very, very easy. All you have to do is just change the smallest detail. In this case it looks like they changed it enough.

(Message edited by wakeboardsam on April 13, 2009)
Old     (wakebrdr38)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-13-2009, 11:02 AM Reply   
Oops you are totally right I meant splash not flash! THanks for the clarification. I wasnt thinking. The 2001 hull has been used before. I can tell you right now that wake pic looks like a 2001 with no ballast in the back and a little extra weight up front. My guess would be that boat with no ballast.
Old     (roverjohn)      Join Date: Dec 2007       04-13-2009, 11:04 AM Reply   
OK the more I think about it the more $10-12k is starting to sound close for a complete marine engine with FI & catalyst as you would have to add addition money to cover a warranty and sales cost. Certainly a DIYer could put together an as new RB 250hp marine motor for less than $2k starting from scratch.
Old     (roverjohn)      Join Date: Dec 2007       04-13-2009, 11:06 AM Reply   
It would be funny if MC complained as their first boat was a splashed CC.


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