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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-12-2009, 12:25 PM Reply   
So...I just pulled the trigger on one of these:

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-12-2009, 12:27 PM Reply   
I'd like to get pictures from an aerial looking down at the boat. Any suggestions where to mount it for best effect?
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-12-2009, 1:28 PM Reply   
me too comes in on friday , i did not get the surf kit , i got the suction cup mount and grab bag of mounts
Old    WakeDoc (riverrunner)      Join Date: Aug 2006       03-12-2009, 1:30 PM Reply   
I already have one and was disappointed
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       03-12-2009, 3:06 PM Reply   
Kind of big, I bet Jac could find something smaller that would work.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-12-2009, 4:01 PM Reply   
It's been almost 10 years, to the day, that I broke my back. I spent a week in rehab at Mercy General in Sacto. The AP wouldn't let me walk so I was confined to a wheelchair during my stay.

In the room next door to me was a young man, maybe 25 that had the same injury as myself, only his spinal chord injury was complete, so he was paralyzed from the waist down and would be for life.

Every morning we had wheelchair races down to the cafeteria to get coffee. Scaring nurses and doctors alike as we careened around corners at truly "break neck" speeds. :-) If anyone had a reason to be negative and bitter it was that young man. He had his entire life before him and he would be relegated to a chair for all of it.

Never once did he mention anything negative about his life, or anything that I remember. Always praise and positive energy. Truly an uplifting personality and someone I enjoyed hearing from and about and I think that everyone that knows and/or knew him finds him an inspiration.

I think it's cool little toy! :-) Where are you mounting yours brewkettle? I was thinking about placing it on the transom and getting some of those crazy angled shots.
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-12-2009, 4:18 PM Reply   
same place , i have 3 new boards to try and one old that i put a tail fin on that red/pink splash board to try on the 21'st
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-13-2009, 7:43 PM Reply   
It needs a ton of light! The video is nice.

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-14-2009, 6:18 AM Reply   
And tiny , i got it yesterday with mount kit , now i have about 7 mounts to stick on the boat or wherever i want and a suction mount. cant wait to try it
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-14-2009, 7:35 AM Reply   
Fun! Can you post pictures of the mounts, please? From what I can tell on the board, one mount will handle an orientation of 0 degrees and 180 degrees. So I am thinking that two of the FCS singles could cover a full 360 degrees.

ImaPD over at TO.com did a great job of explaining the workings for me so that I could understand it.
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-14-2009, 5:49 PM Reply   
Surfdad
ok , well i got
2 curved quick bases
4 flat bases
1 short pivot
1 long pivot
1 suction cup with long pivot
1 screw set
I will have to email you the pic , this site is limited on size
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-22-2009, 7:32 PM Reply   
I thought the quality was pretty good. In some of the pictures, James is doing an aerial with the board perpendicular to the wake, but one of them he is backwards on an alley-oop 3. :-)

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And one for all those bogus camera angles - my wake is double overhead :-)

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Old    Matt Etheridge (mhetheridge)      Join Date: Aug 2006       03-22-2009, 7:59 PM Reply   
The first shot and last one are my two favorites. Did you capture any video from that camera?
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-22-2009, 8:02 PM Reply   
The video was fun too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XXHuihKgF8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alszq9Czsgc
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-22-2009, 8:03 PM Reply   
I did Matt! :-) I just posted it on youtube.
Old    mobster            03-22-2009, 8:20 PM Reply   
very cool
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       03-22-2009, 8:22 PM Reply   
Jeff, you guys are having too much fun.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-22-2009, 8:37 PM Reply   
:-) It's true Show. JL I thought about you as I was loading the boat. We had no idea what the angle on the housing should be so I brought my laptop and a USB cable, so that we could look at some of the pictures. As I was loading the boat I was thinking I'm some sort of JL wannabe! :-)

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Old    Rob (wakesurf_ohio)      Join Date: Jun 2007       03-22-2009, 9:39 PM Reply   
Thats awesome!! Aerials look so cool. How do you shoot with it.. is it on a remote or does it just shoot continuous for a certain amount of time..?
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-23-2009, 5:30 AM Reply   
Thanks Rob! It's fun, I love the sound on the videos, no boat noise just the water and the glub, glub, glub when the board went under water. :-) Which is why I fell so much! :-)

The camera has two modes, video and continuous shots - I think every 2 seconds. In that second video you can see James pressing the button to start the video mode.

I put a 2 gig card in it like you'd use in a regular digitial camera. I think the manufacturer indicates the 2 gigs will hold almost 2,000 stills or an hour of continuous video. It's definately a fun little device. :-)
Old    Drew Danielo (ollies_drew)      Join Date: Jan 2008       03-23-2009, 2:39 PM Reply   
Jeff, where did you order that from???

Shots look really cool
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       03-23-2009, 2:58 PM Reply   
Those videos are so cool! Your son makes it look so so easy!
Old    Gillam (strait_trippin)      Join Date: Jul 2007       03-23-2009, 3:18 PM Reply   
You can get them at RDI (Rainbow Fin). I am surprised at the high quality, I think I'm gonna get one!
Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       03-23-2009, 3:41 PM Reply   
For the stills, is there anyway to turn it to vertical to get the entire rider in the shot?
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-23-2009, 4:13 PM Reply   
Drew - I just had this vision of you doing a shuv, a 3 shuv and then your patented front shuv with a video on the board - that would be sick!

Thanks guys, I was pretty impressed with the quality also considering it's being shot through a plastic housing moving on water.

I ordered mine through these folks:

http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=7

Literally they had it to me in a day.

dtw, the housing mounts on the bottom, so you'd have to make a special adapter to turn it sideways. The fisheye lens takes a pretty wide shot, but because it's mounted on such a short board, it doesn't quite get the entire rider in. They recommend that it be at 5'5" out, so we are missing it my almost a full foot. Maybe a small block laminated to the board with the FCS mounting plugs that would lift the camera a few inches would do the trick?

(Message edited by surfdad on March 23, 2009)
Old    David Christman (lfrider92)      Join Date: Sep 2008       03-23-2009, 4:14 PM Reply   
how do you tell it to take a still?
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-23-2009, 4:17 PM Reply   
Hey David - it has two modes. No I take that back three modes. One is just like a standard digi-cam - point and shoot. The other two modes are video and then a continuous stills where it clicks off a still every - I think 2 seconds, or maybe it's 5 - anyway, you press the on/off button to select the mode and it does it's thing.
Old    David Christman (lfrider92)      Join Date: Sep 2008       03-23-2009, 4:20 PM Reply   
o okay. thanks jeff
Old    Todd Gaughan (locwakeoutlawscom)      Join Date: Apr 2007       03-23-2009, 6:41 PM Reply   
Awesome
Old    Brad (dbh_brad)      Join Date: Sep 2008       03-23-2009, 7:30 PM Reply   
Great new perspective...Love the one facing the boat.
Old    pete c (saceone)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-23-2009, 7:52 PM Reply   
awesome pictures!
Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       03-24-2009, 2:13 PM Reply   
I would think with the way it is set up for much longer ocean boards, you would almost have to make a custom mount bracket to turn it vertical to get the entire rider in the shot. If you did that, the shots would be even sweeter I bet. Send that thing down here and I will rig something up
Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       03-24-2009, 2:15 PM Reply   
Drew, if you get one of these cameras you HAVE to put a disclaimer on all videos...people may get sick with all the spinning.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-24-2009, 8:02 PM Reply   
I want to get the camera angle at 90 degrees, so decided to do the FCS plug mounting option, inside the glue on mount.

Alinging everything:

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-24-2009, 8:04 PM Reply   
Hole saw marked with the depth so I don't go through the bottom. :-)

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-24-2009, 8:10 PM Reply   
Hole drilled ready for the FCS plug. I opted for the right rail box, so that the cant would allow the cam to sort of come close to being level. We'll see if it works as planned. :-)

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-24-2009, 8:11 PM Reply   
And the plug installed and ready to go. :-)

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Old    Bryan Locke (gwnkids)      Join Date: Nov 2003       03-24-2009, 8:25 PM Reply   
A true surgical instrument
Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       03-25-2009, 9:04 AM Reply   
Results please
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-25-2009, 9:19 AM Reply   
LOL - prep the patient, I have my 1" hole saw ready - NO! WAIT, let me apply the masking tape first! :-)

Won't have a chance to go out until this weekend, if I get my chores done first. :-) I'm hoping that we'll get a rider POV picture from an aerial like this:

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Old    Andrew Taft (taft)      Join Date: Jul 2006       03-25-2009, 11:32 AM Reply   
He's getting some good pop off that board. Damn.
Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       03-25-2009, 12:51 PM Reply   
Uhhhhh, Dad, please if you will because I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know....What exactly are your 'chores'? Please be specific.

Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-25-2009, 12:56 PM Reply   
You're too funny. Just normal chores - I have to replace a ceiling fan in one of the bedrooms. Not a composite structure chore :-)
Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       03-25-2009, 1:15 PM Reply   
Are you shaping the blades of the fan yourself though?
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-25-2009, 1:53 PM Reply   
Yes. Here it is assembled, ready to install. :-)

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Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       03-25-2009, 4:48 PM Reply   
Jeff, did you make that fan out of glass or carbon. Why didn't you post up the lay up of the foils in this forum?
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-25-2009, 8:05 PM Reply   
Nida-core and CF. You know, Show, I start posting up top secret stuff and pretty soon I see it in some NASA white paper! :-)

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Old    wardovision (caskimmer)      Join Date: Apr 2006       03-26-2009, 8:22 AM Reply   
that's a pretty sophisticated table you got there Jeff
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-26-2009, 8:40 AM Reply   
It looks that way, doesn't it? It's just a parting board for my attempt at making a mold. That's black tooling gelcoat over a plug. My parting board and plug have been waxed 1,123,457 times :-) and then some PVA over that.

Next is the CSM.

Hey wardo how are you feeling? I read that you broke a few ribs! That is so painful, I do hope you are on the mend.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-29-2009, 7:37 PM Reply   
Kind of interesting shots.

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-29-2009, 7:45 PM Reply   
I think this was at the height of an aerial, just a fraction of a second later and we'd have had the boat.

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-29-2009, 8:13 PM Reply   
And the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8jBigiivhI&feature=channel_page
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-30-2009, 4:46 AM Reply   
I think it was Loc that told me how to use Windows Movie Maker to get a frame grab.

I was hoping to get a still with this shot, but the likelihood of that timing is pretty remote.

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-30-2009, 5:05 AM Reply   
I see it works well
Old    farrah            03-31-2009, 10:26 AM Reply   
Jeff,

This is so rad. Nice work!

(Message edited by farrah on March 31, 2009)

(Message edited by farrah on March 31, 2009)
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-31-2009, 11:54 AM Reply   
Hey Brewkettle, it sure seems to do the trick.

Hi Farrah! It's good to hear from you. How are you? It seems like we haven't seen you since Nashville. The pictures and video that little camera takes, certainly are fun.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       03-31-2009, 12:02 PM Reply   
Here is a link to some sweet videos with a similiar system.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5191568/gopro-attached-to-surfboard-for-recording-awesome-wipeouts
Old    farrah            03-31-2009, 5:46 PM Reply   
hey jeff!

yea i know it's been forever since summer. I'm sure we'll be seein you guys out there soon.
cant wait to see some more shots!


farrah
Old    Greg "The Hammer" (leaks)      Join Date: Oct 2005       04-01-2009, 9:22 PM Reply   
Hey Farrah. How you doing? When you coming back to the Bay?
(sorry for the highjack)
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-02-2009, 11:39 AM Reply   
Surfdad , i will get some pics and vid this weekend from mine
Old    Dhtige Hill (dh03r6)      Join Date: Mar 2007       04-02-2009, 11:46 AM Reply   
My god that is freaking cool. The 5th shot down is fantastic.
Old    farrah            04-02-2009, 12:20 PM Reply   
hey gregggggg! hows it goin? probably soon, i hope. Jerry says he wants to test some boards when it gets warm and so i'll prob be there with chase soon. I'm just workin' and goin' to school down here. it's fun, but i miss home.

how are you??? We should all go ride soon!

Farrah
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-06-2009, 8:17 PM Reply   
Popped my mold off, needs to be cleaned up and polished a little, but it looks good.

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-07-2009, 7:30 AM Reply   
Surfdad
what program are you using to edit with . i got 2.6 gigs of vid but no luck on edit???
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-07-2009, 7:45 AM Reply   
I know NOTHING about editing software. Loc at WO walked me through capturing a still, but I'm sure I exasperated him with my PRONOUNCED neophyteness :-)

For stills, I load the image in MS Paint and go to the stretch/skew option and change it to 32% :-)

For the vids, I load it in MS Movie Maker and then I advance it to a frame that I want to capture and there is a button in the bottom right that I press :-) That is the extent of my technical abilities in this regard.

I have never edited a video, so I'm not much help! Maybe Petr, Loc or JL can help?
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-07-2009, 7:57 AM Reply   
thanks
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       04-07-2009, 4:43 PM Reply   
I like Sony Vegas for video editing
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-08-2009, 5:17 AM Reply   
Show ,
will it work with the gopro??
surfdad how about the black hole sun that the gopro gives in the vids
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-08-2009, 7:49 AM Reply   
Hey brewkettle, is that the "eclipse" looking effect? Funny stuff. :-)
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       04-08-2009, 5:09 PM Reply   
what the hell is a gopro?
Old    Martin C. (jcocci)      Join Date: Feb 2006       04-23-2009, 5:56 AM Reply   
So is the stick-on mount worthless? Is the only way to make it work screwing the unit into the board with the mounting kit?
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-23-2009, 7:12 AM Reply   
Hey Martin, I'm not sure I understand. Are you referring to a suction cup like mount? The first mount I show WAY above is a stick-on but it is permanent.

The camera and casing doesn't float. :-) I know this to be a fact. :-) I'd be reluctant to attach it without a permamnet mount and/or leash especially in water that you can't see to the bottom.
Old    mobster            04-23-2009, 12:05 PM Reply   
For editing it is not the camera but the format you are recording ,Avi mpeg1,2,4 avchd hd dvcpro hd are all formats of video. Windows movie maker ,Premiere Elements, are basic editing programs for the pc for mac I movie or final cut pro works fine I use premiere pro just remember that less is more learn how to edit with straight cuts first do not try to impress with transitions learn your flow & pacing First. Also use the undo button for mistakes, the best way to edit is to get in front of you computer & start editing less is more on effects & tricks and slo mo ,Use good music, support your local bands & don't use music that is copyrighted or songs you hear on the radio that play alot I edit to the music cut on motion & flow . Don't try to impress with tricks use good footage and good things will happen . It's not the camera or the software it's the person behind the camera & computer I try to make it look like I never touched the footage Good footage in great video out We Are takin pre order's for Wake UP It's being pressed now Good Luck JL
Old    wardovision (caskimmer)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-23-2009, 12:37 PM Reply   
"just remember that less is more learn how to edit with straight cuts first do not try to impress with transitions"
That's some of the best editing advice you can possibly get right there. KISS

"We Are takin pre order's for Wake UP It's being pressed now"
Sick, you'll be getting my sometime this week.
Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       04-23-2009, 10:35 PM Reply   
Surfdad....when you gonna send that camera down so I can get it REALLY working for you?


Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-24-2009, 5:11 AM Reply   
Between the lines, from my post earlier:

"The camera and casing doesn't float. I know this to be a fact."

You can come get it, dtw, and use it all you want. :-)
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-24-2009, 5:31 AM Reply   
I've marked it's location for you. :-)

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Old    Blair J (rhawn)      Join Date: Dec 2006       04-24-2009, 5:41 AM Reply   
Bwahahaha.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-24-2009, 5:42 AM Reply   
Actually, in reviewing my notes, I may have been off on that location - probably a few feet further west. :-)

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Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       04-24-2009, 9:00 AM Reply   
what???? It jumped to the crushing depths?

No Bueno

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