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Old    Ozark King (onthewatermo)      Join Date: Jan 2008       02-24-2009, 6:04 AM Reply   
Johnboat with 9 hp outboard that runs perfectly (we estimate top speed at 6.5 mph). Could an experienced rider around 150 lbs get up board/skate? Next, could that person feasibly steer the boat from behind by pulling from different sides (currently if we keep the motor straight we can steer by leaning)? Finally, what is the 'P' symbol that Shane Bonifay draws on the camera in he and Watson's section of The Truth?
Old    Jon Hunter (hunter660)      Join Date: Aug 2007       02-24-2009, 6:06 AM Reply   
6.5 MPH? Don't think that's going to be fast enough.
Old    Jason Shehan (norcalbordr)      Join Date: Feb 2006       02-24-2009, 6:15 AM Reply   
6.5 mph without a rider means it won't even pull him out of the water. Too much drag from the get go.
Old    Ozark King (onthewatermo)      Join Date: Jan 2008       02-24-2009, 6:23 AM Reply   
I am talking laying flat on a board or wakeskate until it planes and then standing up.
Old    Nick Schrein (wakeboardern1)      Join Date: Aug 2007       02-24-2009, 6:30 AM Reply   
It won't work. Not enough. If you geared the motor differently you coud use it as a winch though =P.

Also, that P stands for Pointless...
Old    Art (rallyart)      Join Date: Nov 2006       02-24-2009, 6:49 AM Reply   
You could get up someone who weighed 40# if they were on a big board.
Old    Ozark King (onthewatermo)      Join Date: Jan 2008       02-24-2009, 6:59 AM Reply   
Thanks for all y'all's feedback and I accept your collective challenge (pics to follow once it warms up...I think it can be done).
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       02-24-2009, 7:04 AM Reply   
I don't see it happening.Even laying flat on the board(?) as soon as you attempt to stand on it, it will submerge, that is provided the boat can even get the person moving.
Old    Nick Schrein (wakeboardern1)      Join Date: Aug 2007       02-24-2009, 7:07 AM Reply   
6.5 MPH is not fast enough to even keep moving. You ever been dragged by a boat at that speed? Number one, you'd have to lean back like crazy, which would only slow down the boat more.
Old    AtTheLake (bmartin)      Join Date: Jan 2007       02-24-2009, 7:29 AM Reply   
I used to have a 9.9HP on a jon boat and it had a top speed of around 16-18MPH. A 14' jon should go faster than 6.5MPH with a 9 on the back.

I was able to pull kids up to about 100lbs on a wakeboard behind our jon and could steer it reasonably well. Pulling a skate is going to be harder and well a 150lber on anything is going to be a challenge. I say it may be possible, but not if your boat is only going 6.5MPH.
Old    Jonathan Bay (john211)      Join Date: Aug 2008       02-24-2009, 1:45 PM Reply   
I have a 16 foot duck boat (pointed bow, pointed stern) with a 8 hp yamaha, and use GPS to navigate and set trolling speed. It does 12-1/2 mph.

I had to replace the prop and discovered, I got one and one only choice. There are no menus of flavors as provided by Acme or OJ when dealing with outboards at that small of size.
Old    Gerald (sloshake)      Join Date: Mar 2003       02-24-2009, 2:31 PM Reply   
You could stand up one a larger wakesurfing board probably.
Old    derek (to_blind)      Join Date: Mar 2007       02-24-2009, 2:33 PM Reply   
only way to do it is with a running dock start and a wakeskate. you're gonna want about 60' of dock as well. good luck.
Old    Jos (jtnz)      Join Date: Sep 2007       02-24-2009, 2:57 PM Reply   
Unless the water is dead flat you probably won't do it. I tried behind a 10 ft boat with a 15 hp on it in like a 1' chop when I was on holiday at the beach up north a few months ago and only got the board on plane once, for about 3 seconds, then the boat hit a wave and slowed down again. It's real hard work getting dragged around like that. Quarter mile deep starts are no fun. I gave up after the 3rd or 4th try, just wasn't happening.

You could try to replace the prop but you will probably just go through motors.

To answer your other question - Yes, you definitely can drag the boat around quite a lot when you're out the back. The guys in the boat told me I was steering more than they were.

For reference I'm about 170 lbs and the board I was riding was a 134 Watson.

(Message edited by jtnz on February 24, 2009)
Old    Ozark King (onthewatermo)      Join Date: Jan 2008       02-24-2009, 3:02 PM Reply   
This is not the last we've seen of this thread...now I just need to cruise over to an outboard forum and get some tips for maximizing performance (perhaps a new prop). In looking back, the 6.5 mph guesstimate was made when zig-zagging down the Lake with two people using a watch. NOTE: we have waverunners at our disposal, but there is something novel about this (the boat washed up on shore and the motor is 3 decades old).
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       02-24-2009, 4:31 PM Reply   
oh OK well at least you can drive it like you stole it
Old    Jos (jtnz)      Join Date: Sep 2007       02-24-2009, 4:39 PM Reply   
I look forward to the pics, your committment is legendary haha. Maybe tow with the waverunner to get up to speed then swap ropes??
Old    Ron (dcranium)      Join Date: Mar 2006       02-24-2009, 7:11 PM Reply   
If that works, then I'm gonna get my kids to get in the canoe and row like hell and see if I can shred!
Old    Chris (rio_sanger)      Join Date: Apr 2007       02-24-2009, 8:18 PM Reply   
My boys ride all day long behind a 12' Valco aluminum with a Nissan 8 hp 2-stroke. Speed is more like 18 mph though.
Dock and beach starts are easy, and deep water starts are achieved with a little finesse.


(Message edited by rio_sanger on February 24, 2009)
Old    Chris Phelps (cpizzle)      Join Date: Sep 2007       02-24-2009, 10:07 PM Reply   
Andy,

I think what you're gonna have to do is get in the boat with your board on, get the boat up to your 6.5mph and then stand up in the boat. lol!!!! that's the only way your gonna get up lol!!!! Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       02-26-2009, 4:37 PM Reply   
^^^^^Agreed
Old    Ozark King (onthewatermo)      Join Date: Jan 2008       02-27-2009, 6:28 AM Reply   
"People may doubt what you say, but they will believe what you do" ~Lewis Cass
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       02-27-2009, 12:00 PM Reply   
Kong Fuzi says: "Boat must go faster than 6.5 mph to get a rider out of the water"
Old    Bobby Martin (rebuiltagain)      Join Date: Nov 2006       02-27-2009, 12:11 PM Reply   
Im looking forward to pictures....I dont think 6.5 is fast enough for that size of a rider...Hope it all works at well Andy
Old    Timothy (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       02-27-2009, 12:20 PM Reply   
I rode behind a 15HP on a 14' starcraft once. deep water start on a directional wakeboard. it was pretty hard to get out of the water and then eventually bareloy got on plane. I'd estimate that I was around 170lb then
Old    Ozark King (onthewatermo)      Join Date: Jan 2008       02-27-2009, 12:41 PM Reply   
(begins crash dieting despite taking more of a mental approach to achieving, "It is not the wakeboard that planes out, only myself...there is no spoon") - as mentioned previously, the 6.5 mph was junk science and it likely goes faster than that.

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