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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       11-14-2008, 8:35 PM Reply   
I picked up a set of 3/2/1's today. I thought the Scimitar's were wild, these things have a three stage cant! :-)

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       11-16-2008, 6:14 PM Reply   
These were some interesting fins. They develop a ton of drive, but it seemed ONLY when you were pushing the fins. This is James pumping into the flats and then crankin' off a huge hack.

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       11-16-2008, 6:23 PM Reply   
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Old    Petr (hawaj)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-16-2008, 6:41 PM Reply   
hmmm me like it very much
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-17-2008, 2:10 PM Reply   
How do they compare to the Simitars? I love my Scimitars but I'm always open to try new things.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       11-17-2008, 2:19 PM Reply   
A few more pictures and I'll respond to your Q Hate N Pain. The first a bottom turn into a 3 and then another bottom turn into a hack where the board is virtually vertical and parallel to the transom.

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I just find the orientation of this, where James is bashing off the lip, impressive AFTER the bottom turn.

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       11-17-2008, 2:29 PM Reply   
The Scimitars are a smoother riding fin. As you know, they curve every-which-way. :-) The constant curve curve seems to be what makes them smooth. According to Futures, they have an increasing cant from 6, to 9, to 18 degrees.

The 3/2/1 hve this same increasing cant angle, but the angles are 6 to 9 to 11...so that final angle is "somewhat" more upright - if you can call 11 degrees upright.

The cants, though, are straight. This crude drawing shows what the cant looks like between the two fins.

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       11-17-2008, 2:39 PM Reply   
As you might imagine, rolling over onto the rail with the Scimitars seems to provide very smooth drive. Whereas, the 3/2/1 have a feeling of abrupt drive of squirt. As James would load the rail, it would literally project him out of the turn...some of this, but I don't know how much, is part of the perimeter stringers on that board.

Just trimming though, the 3/2/1 seemed sluggish, as if they introduced more drag in comparison to the Scim's.

I liked them and James really liked how they affected his projection out of turns.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-17-2008, 3:43 PM Reply   
Bad ass wave! It must be from a Sanger.

Thanks for the explanation Jeff.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       11-19-2008, 1:43 PM Reply   
Could you tell that was a Sanger just from the pictures, or did you surmize it from seeing Dennis? Too funny.

Dennis sent me this picture from that same session, his daughter Bre took this and she was sitting, I believe, towards the back to the left of Dennis.

That is behind Dennis' Sanger - I think it's a 215 I just can't keep up on all the boats brands and models.

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Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-20-2008, 12:14 PM Reply   
No I knew it was a Sanger because Dennis had sent mentioned it in an emial plus I could tell by the flame stitching in the transom pad. Yeah that pictureis killer it needs to be on the TWP website and maybe Sangers.

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