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Old    Matt Johnston (mattjj23)      Join Date: May 2008       10-26-2008, 4:39 PM Reply   
Anyone riden behind one of these yet? If so how is the wake compared to the B52 23V? What is the cost going to be on one of these fully loaded with trailer? Any info would be appreciated.
Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-26-2008, 5:07 PM Reply   
Keep an eye out for more info. We had one out today and the people riding behind it either own a B52 V23 or ride behind one most of the time.

I didn't take a set, but first impression from those who did was it was more vertical than the V23.

It looked like a damn MB convention...

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Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-26-2008, 7:39 PM Reply   
Looks windy...mixed on the tower.
Old    LimoTinted (ridininmd)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-26-2008, 7:43 PM Reply   
that is one ugly mug driving the Caddy
Old    Stephen Higgins (srh00z)      Join Date: Jun 2003       10-26-2008, 7:48 PM Reply   
That is a nice looking MB. The graphics are clean and the lines of the hull look good. I like the tower. Looks like a Titan Series 3 on some level.
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-26-2008, 7:49 PM Reply   
^^^agreed doesn't that guy ever smile
Old    Matt Johnston (mattjj23)      Join Date: May 2008       10-26-2008, 8:29 PM Reply   
Thanks for the pics. The hull looks a lot different than the V23. I may have to trade my V23 in for this.
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-27-2008, 7:13 AM Reply   
Here are my pics from yesterday.

Dan, did you get the shot of Minter going way out in to the flats?

BTW, 2-3 people in the boat, factory ballast only.

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Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-27-2008, 7:15 AM Reply   
more.

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Didn't have a board with us, but it looks good.

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Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-27-2008, 7:34 AM Reply   
Wakeboard wake looks good but what's up with the wash? Surf wake doesn't look very good but maybe would with some weight.
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-27-2008, 7:40 AM Reply   
This wake has absolutely zero wash. I could get it down to about 17.8 on the Zero-off and it stayed clean. The wakesurf wake is huge and has great shape, the picture is no good.

(Message edited by alans on October 27, 2008)
Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-27-2008, 7:43 AM Reply   
I got some nice Chase boat shots & will post them up tonight.

Sorry I didn't get a set in, but I had to get home by 3:30. Temps are forecast for upper 60s later this week if you can get out again. I'd like to transfer my 400lbs of lead & see what that does to the wake.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-27-2008, 9:01 AM Reply   
Alan pictures 2 and 3 of your post?
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-27-2008, 9:24 AM Reply   
Yea, I would not consider that wash. The rider is cutting from the other side and causing a momentary spash on the opposite wake. Examples below, all great wakes

Malibu 23 LSV
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Epic v23
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Super Air 210
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Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-27-2008, 1:10 PM Reply   
Here are a few more from the Chase boat:

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Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-27-2008, 1:11 PM Reply   
And a few more:

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Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-27-2008, 1:24 PM Reply   
for all you mb owners... finally got a site up!
http://www.mbboatowners.com

work in progress.
Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-27-2008, 1:29 PM Reply   
Woohooo! I'm the 1st user!
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-27-2008, 1:36 PM Reply   
well post something.. haha! at least a pic of your boat.
Old    Fb (fbroen)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-27-2008, 1:36 PM Reply   
Looks like fun.

"2-3 people in the boat, factory ballast only" --looks pretty nice. What is stock ballast in this one?

Second riding pic looks like rider got a mohawk.

In my experience, the comment on landing side wake wash seems to always come from a BU owner. Rampy does not fall over very easily...
Old    Ryan Lacefield (26lacefield)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-27-2008, 1:55 PM Reply   
the wake looks good. i rode behind the mini tomcat in one of the DRA's here in cali and wasn't too big of a fan. it didn't seem very consistant and was a little small. the wide body looks good. i wouldn't mind taking a set on it. i'm not bashing the 21 tomcat either just giving my opinion.
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-27-2008, 4:09 PM Reply   
Toe 5 or half cab 3 on the last pic of JP?

FB my opp wake usually washes out when a rider is cutting.

(Message edited by johnsvt on October 27, 2008)
Old    Tallredrider (talltigeguy)      Join Date: Sep 2003       10-27-2008, 4:38 PM Reply   
Is is just me, or does it look like there is a lot of bow rise? The driver does not have view directly in front of him at wakeboarding speeds. From the side shots, it looks like the driver's head is lower than the nose of the boat, although it seems to not look like that from behind.

What do you guys think who drove the boat? I really wish that you had a decent MB dealer in Utah. Once a few years ago I called the dealer and they seemed completely ignorant of wakesurfing and watersports in general. I felt like the high priority was selling an I/O.

BTW, those are great pics with the leaves changing and all around the lake.

(Message edited by talltigeguy on October 27, 2008)

(Message edited by talltigeguy on October 27, 2008)
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-27-2008, 5:38 PM Reply   
As the driver, you never lose the sight of the horizon at any point from takeoff to wakeboard speed. The pictures are deceiving.
Old    Dave Thacker (driverlost)      Join Date: Oct 2008       10-27-2008, 7:31 PM Reply   
I got to drive this boat for a significant amount of time yesterday. I own a B52V23.

Re: Bowrise
If you flip the seat booster up, then you have no problem at all with bow rise. I like to sit deep and noticed the bow rise was an issue from start to around 11-12 mph (zero off is very accurate), then it settled down fine from there. It is worth noting, this boat had the zr6 engine in it, which gave it a nice boost in power.

Re: wake shape
This boat and the V23 are not very similar. My only set came in very windy conditions, but I would say the 21' stock ballast (1800lbs) creates a much steeper wake. It was plenty clean and solid too. Edging inside out, the wake seemed much taller than the V23 at stock ballast. All of us agreed it was wider at 80 feet.

Re: Drive and handling
Boat drives like a sports car compared to the V23. In fact, the whole feel/looks of the interior is much sportier. The boat feels nimble on plane and handled double ups much nicer (imo) too. Just a really solid all around boat.

Re: Storage
I am not sure about this. I love the storage compartments in the V23. Ours are full all summer long since we have kids and their toys on board most times out. The 21' cuts out a ton of rear storage space. The deeper hull on the 21' allows for board storage under the seats, and the spaces under the glove box and drivers leg room are much deeper on the 21. There is an impressive amount of interior space on the 21. We had four guys on board at the end of the day and gear strewn about. At that moment, it did feel a little more cramped than having 4 guys on the V23.
Old    Ron (ronbo)      Join Date: Oct 2008       10-27-2008, 7:45 PM Reply   
I own a 09 F-21 Tomcat. I was told about this boat when it was under early construction. From what I understand the haul is Exactly the same as the f-21 Tomcat from the windshield back. I would imagine the wake is the same depending on the weight difference of the nose. I agree, the wake is very nice.
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-01-2008, 5:14 AM Reply   
We are taking the B-52v Team Widebody out again and probably for the last time this season today. Anyone want to see anything in particular? We will have 4-5 people and a few hundred lbs of pop bags.
Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-01-2008, 5:18 AM Reply   
"Anyone want to see anything in particular?"

S-bend?

(Message edited by dan.smith on November 01, 2008)
Old    Cory Hoard (cory_h)      Join Date: Oct 2008       11-01-2008, 10:28 AM Reply   
I would like to see a good picture of the surf wake if you guys are surfing today. I just sold my 2004 MB B52 and I loved the surf wake with that wicked new hull the wake should be a monster.
Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-01-2008, 4:37 PM Reply   
Ask and you shall receive...

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Setup was full right-side ballast (900 lbs) + 240 lbs in pop bags and me (175lbs) behind driver + 160 lbs in pop bags in front of driver (bow) + 150lb person in bow.
Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-01-2008, 4:39 PM Reply   
Here's another:

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Old    Greg Taylor (gregtay)      Join Date: Aug 2008       11-01-2008, 10:17 PM Reply   
I'm kind of curious how the v8 4Runner does pulling a 3900# boat+trailer+gear.
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-02-2008, 3:09 AM Reply   
I love the 4-runner as a tow vehicle. I bought it to replace an '06 Z71 Tahoe and it tows every bit as well. I towed over 100k miles in the last two years with an '06 350 and '08 350 Dually, both diesel, and I am still extremely impressed with the 4 Runner. However, I only towed about 15k with it so far this year.

FYI, with the towing and leveling kit, the capacity is 7,300 lbs.
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-02-2008, 5:40 AM Reply   
These are my pics from my little pocket camera...
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Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-02-2008, 6:14 AM Reply   
Speed above is 23.1
Old    Dan Smith (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-02-2008, 7:50 AM Reply   
And here's a picture of you taking pictures with your little camera:

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And what happens when you try a 3 w/ little camera wrapped around your wrist:

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Old    dtw. (notsobueno)      Join Date: Dec 2004       11-07-2008, 7:37 PM Reply   
Surfing with shoes?
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-08-2008, 5:37 AM Reply   
Yep. We didn't have any of our wake surfers with us but we had an old surfboard that we put grip tape on that we used for surfing back in the day before wake surfers.

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