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Old    Mitch Lappo (ridinonair)      Join Date: Jun 2008       10-26-2008, 12:58 AM Reply   
I went out with Chuck and Poser today and gotta say that Chuck's VTX puts down a horrible wake....j/k!!

The depth was close to 4 ft tops and had a strong consistant wake. Thanks for the pull Chuck, it was good riding with you guys today! Total blast!

It was good to see Chuck on a board coming off an injury, and watching Poser throw down is always fun.







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Old    B Poser (bbr)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-26-2008, 9:30 AM Reply   
Haha...for all the VTX haters...for anyone who thinks that the VTX can't make a great wake, in 5 ft of water....come on out with us. You'll be taking your foot out of your mouth when the day is done.

Mitch-It was great having you come up yesterday. Gonna have to do it again soon.
Old    Mitch Lappo (ridinonair)      Join Date: Jun 2008       10-26-2008, 9:38 AM Reply   
I got some good shots from my cheapy little camara! I am definately down to come out brotha- such a blast!
Old    GD (greatdane)      Join Date: Feb 2001       10-26-2008, 11:01 AM Reply   
How was the boat weighted?
Old    B Poser (bbr)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-26-2008, 11:54 AM Reply   
Since we usually only have two peeps in the boat, we have the stock 4 tanks, plus about 1500 in lead throughout the boat, plus the power wedge. Its quite nice.
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-26-2008, 4:01 PM Reply   
Looks like a fun time.
Old    Mitch Lappo (ridinonair)      Join Date: Jun 2008       10-26-2008, 8:11 PM Reply   
Absolute blast man! Its a killer setup!
Old    Nick Yochman (lakemiltonwake08)      Join Date: Oct 2008       10-26-2008, 9:10 PM Reply   
The prop doesn't hit even with that little of depth? I only ask because I have a private lake and there are also some low spots that I need to know how much of need taken care of.
Old    Chuck H. (toesideturtle)      Join Date: Oct 2002       10-27-2008, 1:09 AM Reply   
That's at '85 rope and 24.4mph in 4 feet of water!
Old    Sam (wake1823)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-27-2008, 7:44 AM Reply   
Nick , I run in shallower water than that at times. Mine doesnt' hit.
Old    Mitch Lappo (ridinonair)      Join Date: Jun 2008       10-27-2008, 12:04 PM Reply   
There was no issue what so ever with the shallow depth when I was out with em.
Old    Justin (salsajs3030)      Join Date: Aug 2008       10-27-2008, 2:40 PM Reply   
This may be a good forum to ask...
How does the wake compare on the VTX vs. the V-Ride?}
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-27-2008, 4:31 PM Reply   
4ft = 48"
VTX draft = 22" (i assumed the draft is just the hull, not hull and prop)
~14" prop +2" to clear hull = 16"
~inches you're sitting lower in the water due to ballast and people = 3"
Total = 22" + 16" + 3" = 41"

That means with a 20ft. boat the angle you're taking off at could be no more than 3/4*.... I donno if the whole lake is that shallow or you have the most amazingly slow and mild takeoff in wakeboat history
Old    T (tbonus)      Join Date: Oct 2005       10-27-2008, 4:57 PM Reply   
Nick - don't assume
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-27-2008, 5:02 PM Reply   
okay then 12* on takeoff, still not much
Old    Mark (mvl)      Join Date: May 2004       10-27-2008, 5:35 PM Reply   
I believe it is 22" to the lowest blade of the prop.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-27-2008, 5:43 PM Reply   
so
48" - 22" - 3" (weight) = 23"
23" = 1.91' of extra

When the boat takes off it is on an angle sinking the rear, raising the front
so...
10 ft = half the 20ft boat that will go down into the water when you try to get onto plane

10ft(sin(angle)) = 1.91 <-- will just touch bottom

angle = 11* ---not much
Old    Chuck H. (toesideturtle)      Join Date: Oct 2002       10-27-2008, 7:41 PM Reply   
Nick--not sure what the intentions of your posts are, but here are the details.

260lbs in the bow
300lbs in the walkway
300lbs on each side of the engine
300-400 under the rear seats
power wedge adjusted to individual rider
1250 lbs factory ballast
acme 1237 prop--take a bit but gets up better that the acme 1235
the depth of the lake is 4' to 4.5' feet constant--we walked the lake with tools and lumber while building sliders and the water never got above my chest--I'm 5'10"
I'm sure the prop is close to the bottom as it does churn up some silt at times when taking off. We have never had a problem with my VTX, my '05 VLX, Brandon's Supra 21V, a Sanger 210, 2 Nautiques and an'08 X-Star
We did hit a catfish once while idling back to the dock!
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-27-2008, 7:50 PM Reply   
I just didn't think that depth, with that weight would not chunk

I have been lakes where it drops to 4/5 ft. and even on plane it turns stuff up, I cant imagine starting up in that shallow
Old    Is it summer yet? (trentj6930)      Join Date: Oct 2007       10-28-2008, 12:33 PM Reply   
We run in 4 or 5 feet quite often and have no issues with dragging bottom. Yes we will turn up a lot of crap on the bottom, but have never bottomed out......yet.
Old    Adam Curtis (acurtis_ttu)      Join Date: May 2004       10-28-2008, 12:44 PM Reply   
I've been on plane ( going about 30) with my boat ( 07 22SV) with the depth gauge reading 2.8. I do it at a minimum twice a week, for about a 200 yard stretch.

I ride in a river than avg's about 5 feet deep.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-28-2008, 1:48 PM Reply   
That would scare me so bad in that shallow, on plane in one thing but starting up/ slow speeds oh boy.

Just coasting into our beach at home I know I've hit bottom with the prob and where the back of the boat sits is like 3/4 ft

I just had a hard time believing that it would get up without destroying props like crazy.... I guess I know better now.
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       10-29-2008, 10:27 AM Reply   
We ran our loaded X-star in a private lake last year that couldn't have been more than 3' deep. We could stand waist deep in the water. The prop churned up mud on take off and turn around at the end, but it wasn't that big off a deal. The ground on most private lakes is very soft mud. No rocks or tree stumps. Worst case, your prop gets a nice polish.

Incidently, our star made a pretty decent wake in the shallow water, too.

Looks like fun guys. I wish I was out riding. It's getting to be that time of year when riding time is getting scarce. Too dark at night, these days.
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       10-29-2008, 12:18 PM Reply   
Sure you could hit something with the prop, but what bothers me is that if you're able to stand in the lake with water at your waist, think what could happen if you catch a nasty edge and get whipped underwater... I say this cause last year I managed to bang my head pretty good on the bottom in a shallow part. From now on, no charging the wake for high-risk tricks if I can see the bottom.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       10-29-2008, 2:43 PM Reply   
Last time I rode at the lake we walked across it pushing an inner tube with a ladder on it. It was weird to see how shallow it is where the ski boats go (in the center buoys) and how it is like 1.5 feet deeper where Chuck's boat run its line. I'd say at the deepest spot where he runs it get close to 4.5-5 foot of water.

Roddyrod, you just can't be doing any lawn dart style bails.
Old    Mitch Lappo (ridinonair)      Join Date: Jun 2008       10-29-2008, 3:11 PM Reply   
Tuck and roll homie
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       10-29-2008, 5:46 PM Reply   
don't be thinking I choose to take crashes like that
Old    Kenneth (longhornfan)      Join Date: Oct 2005       10-30-2008, 4:05 PM Reply   
Nick. Your math got jacked when you assumed the whole 22"s of draft was in the water. Pretty sure the draft is the total height of the boat from the bottom of the hull to the top at the rear. Could be wrong on this but that's what I always thought it meant.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-30-2008, 4:19 PM Reply   
from Wiki
"The draft (or draught) of a ship's hull is the vertical distance between the waterline and the bottom of the hull (keel), "

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