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Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-03-2008, 11:02 AM Reply   
so im out with my friend on his buddies boat and he loads up his malibu with 4,500 lbs of ballast and then 5 people in it and basically the boat looks like it is under water. but once he gets it planed out he rides at 29-30 mph at 90 ft rope. its unreal how big he goes and makes a lot of other good wakeboarders just look mediocre. Do any of you ride like this or know people that do? i think it may just be a new way to go bigger and better? what do you think?
Old     (jsweat)      Join Date: Apr 2007       09-03-2008, 11:05 AM Reply   
is your buddy randall harris or keith lyman?
Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-03-2008, 11:10 AM Reply   
haha, no and no. so do they ride like that? its pretty insane to watch tho. scares the hell out of me but insane...
Old     (ksilva)      Join Date: Mar 2008       09-03-2008, 11:12 AM Reply   
Old     (jsweat)      Join Date: Apr 2007       09-03-2008, 11:16 AM Reply   
yea randall and keith go huge watching them from the boat is insane
Old     (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       09-03-2008, 11:18 AM Reply   
Joel DeRoche
Old     (nsolis220)      Join Date: May 2007       09-03-2008, 11:36 AM Reply   
joels riding in Nebraska no a days??
Old     (wakesurfer08)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-03-2008, 11:39 AM Reply   
I bet this person rides out in Fremont, Correct?
Old     (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       09-03-2008, 11:44 AM Reply   
she asked if anyone knew anyone who rode like this dooood...hahah
Old     (wakesurfer08)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-03-2008, 11:50 AM Reply   
What I was after is if this person is from Fremont that she saw ridin, due to he is the only one I know of that does ride with that boat,speed,weight,and rope 90'...Doooooood hahaah.
Old     (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       09-03-2008, 11:57 AM Reply   
i was around there for the first half of the season...4000-4500 lbs of ballast, 87 ft, 27-28 mph. lol, but the $$$ situation and my knees and ribs at this point in the season has me riding with only 3200 lbs...but i'm still at 87 ft, 27 mph.
Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-03-2008, 2:40 PM Reply   
yeah he boards at freemont, and is the only one i know of that rides like that around. his name is sam
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       09-03-2008, 2:42 PM Reply   
Sounds like the kind of guy I want to ride with!
Old     (snowman89)      Join Date: Mar 2007       09-03-2008, 3:46 PM Reply   
The fastest rider I know personally is like 24mph at 80 ft lol and he sounds mediocre compared to a lot of people on this board but hes def the best where im from.

So what exactly is the benefit of riding so fast with so much weight? To me the wake shape seems similar with 1500lbs, 70ft, 23mph, and with 4500lbs, 90ft, and 29mph. Ive never ridden that fast so what is the benefit for someone who knows what its like to ride like that?
Old     (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       09-03-2008, 3:51 PM Reply   
Hangtime. With that long of a line and charging the wake you can spend way more time up in the air then on a short rope at slow speeds. That is, though, if you're running enough weight to get a nice big firm wake.

(Message edited by wakeslife on September 03, 2008)
Old     (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       09-03-2008, 3:53 PM Reply   
when you run that much weight you need to be going 26-28 in most boats. the weight and speed makes that wake rock hard. the longer rope let's you float in the air longer. also if you ride that fast the wake will most likely be super skinny. in my boat (2000 XStar) the wake really seems to get noticeably bigger once you get over 4000 lbs.
Old     (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       09-03-2008, 4:05 PM Reply   
it really depends on what type of rider you are or want to be. longer lines, faster speeds, more weight, those are usually things that indicate a person is wanting to end up out in the flats. more weight, a little speed, and normal rope lengths (80'-85') would taylor to a more W2W style.
Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-03-2008, 5:14 PM Reply   
he still can do wake to wake tricks you just dont have to cut out much at all. with a 90' rope you can cut out very far and when you cut in, the wake is so hard it hucks you waaaaaaay into the flats, so he can throw all wake to wake tricks out into the flats with not as much effort. just likes to go big i guess. i wonder how hard that is on the body though?
Old     (wakesurfer08)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-03-2008, 7:09 PM Reply   
Yes, that's the rider I was thinking of. So you must know Pete also then?
Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-03-2008, 7:50 PM Reply   
very good friends with pete, we hang out a lot because he's good friends with my hubby. my man just makes a great fat sack for his boat but cant board now because of football. but pete kills it on the regular. he is landing T 7's now
Old     (wakesurfer08)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-04-2008, 5:36 AM Reply   
Well you know who I am then, you and your hubby rode with my 7 year old son and 6 year old daughter out at fremont lakes one evening, Pete went to comp's with us down to Kansas. Tell your hubby to keep up the good work on the team.

Best to all, from Jeff and family!

Now you have to know?!?
Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-04-2008, 6:22 AM Reply   
oh yeah for sure! i remember, so how is your little ones progressing!? i wish i started that young... and yeah, he is hurt right now but it should be ok soon.. he was so excited when you taught him to wakesurf, he always wants to go out now.. thats awesome.
Old     (wakesurfer08)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-04-2008, 6:31 AM Reply   
They are doing good, Gavin finished 4th for the year in Kansas, Great for his first year! Halle rides totally awesome, she is going to make Gavin really work hard to beat her next year. I talked to Pete on Tuesday about getting together to ride, since we haven't rode much in the past few months. We have to all get together for a day we all love hanging out with you and your hubby you are great people to be around. I'll set something up with Pete and I'm sure he will let you guy's know. See Ya Soon!!
Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-04-2008, 2:16 PM Reply   
awesome! tell them to keep workin hard, they are the next generation.. and we are down for that anytime!!! see ya soon!
Old     (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       09-04-2008, 2:25 PM Reply   
I have had a couple of really good riders behind my boat. I noticed that the REALLY good riders are/were able to go W2W or out into the flats...all just a matter of cut and line tension.
Old     (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minnesnowda       09-04-2008, 2:37 PM Reply   
I Do! 87 Feet at 28.5 MPH with an Honest 5K in my ride!
Old     (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minnesnowda       09-04-2008, 2:45 PM Reply   
In fact so does my whole crew!

Behind Malibu's I ride out at 90.
Old     (tashi_sotiris)      Join Date: Jun 2008       09-04-2008, 2:53 PM Reply   
yeah i hear that too, i know some people that ride out longer on bu's than mc's or others. so i have a question, if you were to load a brand new bu vlx and a MC xstar and a nautique 210 team add. with maximum ballast and balanced perfectly and perfect speed, both of them now, which would have that irresistable wake? the one that feels sooo ready..!

(Message edited by tashi_sotiris on September 04, 2008)
Old     (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minnesnowda       09-04-2008, 3:01 PM Reply   
For me The X-Star for sure, that wake get so MASSIVE, its so fun to just launch giant grabs off of.
Old     (jsweat)      Join Date: Apr 2007       09-04-2008, 8:53 PM Reply   
id say a malibu vlx or 23lsv or a nautique 230 would be my first choice the xstar fully macked out would be a close third then probably an epic
Old     (dizzyg)      Join Date: May 2005       09-05-2008, 11:07 AM Reply   
where's ryan the hawaiian? Whenever he comes out on our bu - around 3k of ballast at like 26-27 and a mile and a half back.

I rode for a couple summers at like '85 feet at 25ish, I've slowed down to the mid 23s 80feet and the falls hurt less sometimes. Personal preference I guess


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