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Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       05-16-2008, 10:18 AM Reply   
Hi all,

We currently have the standard windshield-mounted comp mirror, but are looking into a tower-mounted setup. My fiance has a hard time seeing with the current mirror because it doesn't provide a very good field of view. It doesn't bother me too much, but I want to give one a try both for her and also to see what I may be missing...

I did some research here on WakeWorld and found some good input, but I'm looking for a bit more input for my specific situation.

Some of the articulating ones are pretty cool looking and the adjustability is intriguing, but I'm not sure if they would be a good fit for my specific setup (Malibu VLX with Titan tower) since the front tower leg is pretty far forward. I'm thinking maybe a more simple, fixed type of mirror would do the trick. Any thoughts?

It would be nice for the mirror not to slip after driving doubleups. Maybe there's a fixed-type mirror that works well for my boat setup that isn't so adjustable, thereby limiting slipping.

Also, not sure if the "Extreme"-type of wide mirror would be good for my setup or if I should stick with the standard mirror size...anyone have a similar setup and a preference?

I attached a picture of the boat for reference.

Thanks,
Danny

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Old     (malibudude)      Join Date: Feb 2001       05-16-2008, 10:24 AM Reply   
Titan does make a mirror arm that works really well.



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Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       05-16-2008, 10:30 AM Reply   
Thanks man, have you used this setup personally? I'm leaning toward a mount like that if I can get some confirmation from people who've used it and liked it.

If you've used it, did you find the standard size mirror adequate?

Danny
Old     (malibudude)      Join Date: Feb 2001       05-16-2008, 12:32 PM Reply   
While I didn't use it on the boat on the lake just on the shoowroom floor, it did use the same mirror but I beleive you can get the larger Cipa mirror as well. I did like the setup clean and didn't obstruct the view. As usual the design and craftsmanship are top notch.
Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       05-16-2008, 12:37 PM Reply   
Gotcha, thanks. I'm in between the Boss simple articulating one and the Titan one. I like the plastic inserts on the Titan mount that allow a ball-and-socket type of joint on the tower leg. Not sure if I can justify the $200 for the Titan when Buywake has the Boss for $99, though!

Danny
Old    VLX Envy (cavlxenvy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       05-16-2008, 12:49 PM Reply   
Don't get articulating mirror arms. I never had luck with those.
Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       05-16-2008, 1:08 PM Reply   
Ryan,

What types of issues have you had? Moving around, breaking, adjustment, etc?

Have you used the Titan one that is shown above? It's sort of articulating in that the leg mount is a ball and socket. I wonder if the Boss one would tend to move any more than the Titan one.

Danny
Old    sp0tts (sp0tts)      Join Date: Jun 2004       05-17-2008, 3:30 PM Reply   
I have the mirror arm pictured on my Titan III and love it. I'm not a big fan of mounting a mirror to the windshield. Been in boats with both and it's really just a personal preference thing, but I'd much rather have a tower mounted mirror. I wouldn't hesitate to get one and your current mirror will probably work if you just get the arm.
Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       06-02-2008, 8:41 AM Reply   
So, I bought the Boss arm and was very dis-satisfied with it. When I called and pointed out several problems with it (including a blatant manufacturing error), I was told "Well, just wedge some rubber in there..." and "Well, just run a drill through it...". No thanks, buddy. I wasn't even offered a "Hey, we're sorry it doesn't seem to work, let's see what we can do to help." Last time I checked, I as a customer shouldn't have to fix your eff-ups, especially after spending $100 for a brand new item that doesn't work out of the box.

Anyway, I'm planning to return it and am now focused on either the Titan one pictured above by Malibudude or just a simple fixed one like Skylon offers.

Anyone have real-world experience with the Titan mirror? I like the idea of the plastic inserts, both for the "heim joint" action it would give and for the fact that it would avoid metal-on-metal contact with the tower. I'm just concerned that it's going to move when driving doubleups and I don't want to have to re-position the assembly all the time. I use my boat a lot and want it to be solid.

Thanks,
Danny
Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       06-02-2008, 12:58 PM Reply   
No one has any other experience (positive or negative) about either the Titan mirror mount or the fixed Skylon mirror mount? I couldn't see sp0tts' mirror (seems like he either forgot to attach a pic or thought he had a profile pic) and Malibudude hasn't physically used the Titan one.

I'd really like to hear from anyone who uses their boat for serious riding regularly and has feedback about either of these 2 mirrors (or any other for that matter).

Thanks,
Danny
Old    Jason (titanwake)      Join Date: Nov 2007       06-02-2008, 2:00 PM Reply   
Hey Danny-

I work for Titan, so obviously you'll want to take my advice with a grain of salt, but I'll try to offer some unbiased input on our mirror arm versus the others, because I've used most of them out there.

We designed the Articulating Mirror Arm to solve a problem that our customers were encountering when trying to use tower mounted mirrors on our tower. Because the front leg of the tower slants in towards the middle of the boat, almost every other mirror arm (even the articulating ones) will position the mirror so that it's tilted slightly off-axis to the driver. Here's a picture of one of those mirrors on my boat before we offered the Articulating Mirror Arm:

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The fixed arms are even worse because without the joint there is no adjustment. That's why we came up with the unique articulating mounting system that allows the mirror arm to be precisely positioned in three axis to get it perfectly level in front of the driver.

Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns and I'll do my best to help make sense of them.

Thanks,

Jason
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Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       06-02-2008, 2:26 PM Reply   
Jason, thanks for the reply. The mounting system you quote sounds like an innovative solution to the mounting problem with fixed mirror arms. In the pic you showed above, couldn't you just swing the link with the mirror up a bit to straighten it out? And then you could slide the tower clamp up or down for height? I haven't personally used one of those 2-link articulating arms, so I can't directly attest to how they attach and adjust and I'm likely missing some aspect of the problem with that type of mirror. In any case, I won't be using a 2-link articulating arm since as far as I know, Boss is the only one who currently makes one and I had a less-than-favorable experience with them.

Again, your product sounds awesome, the only thing I'm worried/skeptical about is whether or not the Titan mounting system is going to move everytime my chick drives me a double up...

It's a nice arm but also pretty expensive at ~$200 and I don't want it to be clapped out moving all the time. Have you guys gotten feedback from riders about the mirror mount moving?

EDIT: Also, does the Titan mount work with post-mount mirrors or do I need to purchase a ball-mount mirror? I can't find that info on the Titan website or vendor websites. Thanks.

Thanks,
Danny

(Message edited by wakerider42 on June 02, 2008)
Old    Jason (titanwake)      Join Date: Nov 2007       06-02-2008, 2:36 PM Reply   
Well, it's kind of a moot point, since no one currently makes this style mirror arm (like you mentioned), but unfortunately there's just no way to adjust one of those mirror arms to work. Because the plane of the hinge isn't vertical, if you pivot it out any more the mirror ends up facing back towards the port side of the boat, and there isn't enough adjustment where it mounts to the end of the arm to square it off. Trust me, I spend A LOT of time trying to get it to fit right (including machining a few new pieces). That was back in 2002 when there weren't really any other options, so I tried what ever I could to get it to fit. Ultimately, the trouble I went through is what led us to the Articulating Mirror Arm.

The way our mounting system works may be a little misleading, so let me expand on the process of installing the mirror a little. The shims protect the finish of the tower, and offer a convex mounting surface that is mirrored by the concave mounting surface of the mirror arm itself. After assembling the mirror arm on the tower, you can adjust the position so that it's perfectly centered in front of the drive. At that point you tighten the two mounting bolts, which locks the mirror arm in it's current position. You can always loosen the bolts to reposition the mirror arm, but when they're tight, it's a completely solid mounting system. I've put over 500 hours on a boat with our mirror arm and it doesn't move at all, regardless of how hard you hit other wakes.

I completely understand your hesitation to fork over that kind of cash, but I think once you see the product in person, and get to experience how well it works, you'll agree that it's well worth the small premium.
Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       06-02-2008, 3:05 PM Reply   
Jason,

I will definitely take your word on the 2-link arms. Makes sense, I just haven't personally experienced it.

Thank you for further explaining the Titan mounting system. That alleviates any concern I had over the mount allowing movement. I was under the impression that the mount was sort of a stiff "heim" joint type of thing where you could readily grab and re-position, and it relied on an interference fit with the plastic inserts to provide enough holding power. Thank you for correcting me and making it clear that once you get the mount placed where you want it, you snug the bolts up. I have no doubt that the mount will hold solid.

Based on what I've seen with the existing 2-link systems, solid mount systems, and other articulating systems, the Titan one looks like my best bet and I'm going to go ahead and buy one, regardless of the somewhat higher price. Iíll gladly pay your company $100 more than the last company I worked with. I like the plastic inserts and the build quality looks much better (not to mention the customer service, and Iím not even a customer yet).

Do I need a ball-mount mirror or will my stock post-mount mirror work?

P.S. You guys should really get some info up on the Titan website explaining this mirror fully. I probably would have pulled the trigger on the Titan one earlier if I fully understood the mount to begin with.

Thanks again,
Danny
Old    Jason (titanwake)      Join Date: Nov 2007       06-02-2008, 3:49 PM Reply   
Good, I'm glad that info helped. You can use the same CIPA mirror that came with your boat, it will slide right onto the end of the mirror arm.

We're well aware of the lack of information (to put it nicely) on our current site. We're actually working on a completely overhauled version right now, that should be up soon. Thanks for the feedback though, it's good to know that customers would find value in a better/more extensive site.
Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       06-02-2008, 4:13 PM Reply   
Cool, thanks. I'm glad that my stock post-mount mirror will work.

I figured you guys were probably already concerning yourselves with getting info going, just thought I would point it out. Thanks for being open to the feedback.

Again, thanks for your replies. As soon as I get this other one returned I will be purchasing the Titan one.

Danny
Old    Jason (titanwake)      Join Date: Nov 2007       06-02-2008, 4:18 PM Reply   
Sounds good, let me know if you need a referral for a retailer to purchase it from.
Old    Danny Simon (wakerider42)      Join Date: May 2002       06-02-2008, 9:10 PM Reply   
I found it online at Wakeside, but would be open to any local dealers if there are any near the Temecula, CA area (I'm in Canyon Lake). Hmmm, I wonder if Paradise Watersports (Malibu dealer) in Murrieta deals Titan gear. I will give them a call tomorrow. I kind of forgot that the boat dealer is a good place and just kind of defaulted to the online retailers...

Danny
Old    dan w (future)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-02-2008, 9:14 PM Reply   
Hey Jason did you work for Wakeside a while back?
Old    Jason (titanwake)      Join Date: Nov 2007       06-02-2008, 9:27 PM Reply   
Danny-

Wakeside is a perfectly good choice if you have previous experience with them. If you would like the contact information for your nearest Titan dealer, just let me know and I'll send it over.

Hey Dan-

Yep, that's me. Are you still involved over at Active?
Old    dan w (future)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-03-2008, 3:34 PM Reply   
Yeah I still drop in once in a while for service and what not. Those guys are great. I just stopped in the Wakeside store on 212 this morning. Picked up some domed Wakeside stickers.

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