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Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 8:49 AM Reply   
After many hours of reviewing wakeboards on teh internet and in stores, I thought I would turn to this group for suggestions.

About me. I am 38 year old guy who first got up on a board last season. I will ride almost exclusively on a calm lake behind a boat, and I probably will ride most every weekend from May through September. I am still a beginner at this point, but I hope to steadily improve with experience.

I am looking for a versatile board that I can ride comfortably now and will still enjoy as my jumps and tricks improve. As I often have guests at my place, I would also like something that other novice riders can jump on and enjoy - but a board that suits me is my primary concern.

I have been focused on the CWB Purse with the Torque bindings or the LF Trip with the Sphynx bindings. I am under the assumption that a continuous or hybrid rocker is what I need.

I am somewhat flexible on price, and I am more focused on getting a quality board I can hold on to for a while.

I have looked at others - the Ronix Vault in particular.

I would love to get the opinions of this group. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 9:09 AM Reply   
In terms of the Ronix - I guess I am looking at the 07 Vault/cabal package

Thanks again - I figured you guys know better than anyone.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 9:27 AM Reply   
Final Comment - then I'll wait for comments

I see great deals on the Ronix Frontier/Scout package - any thought?

Are the Scout bindings pretty true to size? I wear a 10 wide shoe - not sure if I need the 10 binding or need to go up.

Again - Thanks guys.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 12:48 PM Reply   
Certainly someone has some thought? I have read all the archives, but though there may be some more updated input.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       02-09-2008, 12:57 PM Reply   
I would check out the 08 CWB Faction board and Faction bindings.
Great board for all levels and it will take you though advanced level riding.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 12:59 PM Reply   
The faction does not have a center fin, correct?

Any thoughts on getting a board without center fin?
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-09-2008, 12:59 PM Reply   
I want to say to go with something more on the HYBRID side instead of a pure continuous or pure 3-stage. It seems more and more boards are adapting the characteristics of both, even the boards of pro riders who are normally purely one or the other (ex. Byerly and Murray)

with that said the first thing i or anyone will say is "DEMO"

but i know in some places of the world, it is hard to do that so research is the next best thing

Not all "Hybrid Rockers" are labled with the word Hybrid. Some will use the word "Abrupt" "subtle" etc in addition to the rocker type. It might be safe to say that if it has any other word added to the rocker description than it could classify as a "HYBRID." However, i do know of a couple that say purely continuous or three stage but could be considered hybrid. CWB Marius is a commonly recommended board. It curves more toward the edges of the tips and tails and therefore is leaning toward a "hybrid" shape. Do to the flex of Slingshot boards I want to say the same thing.

I'll look for a post i did for another kid where i tried to list all the boards that said something other than purely continuous and three stage.
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-09-2008, 1:03 PM Reply   
most do not use a center fin now days. Center fins can be nice for beginners, especially if the side fins are very shallow (like maybe .5 inches deep)

since you want a beginner friendly board, then maybe center fin is good, but in the case of the faction, the fins are longer and it will be perfect for beginers and up
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-09-2008, 1:06 PM Reply   
I would think the chances of running into a board with really shallow side fins and no center fin option is next to impossible, so you shouldn't have to worry too much
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       02-09-2008, 1:13 PM Reply   
I'm selling my Ronix Ibex w/ Cell boots for 400 + shipping
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       02-09-2008, 1:14 PM Reply   
boot are size 11
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       02-09-2008, 1:30 PM Reply   
No center fin on the Faction.
If you want a board with a center fin then look at the Pure or Kink with the Torqs or Vapor bindings, great board and bindings as well.
I just think the Faction/Faction setup is worth the extra 100 bucks and you get a much better binding with the Faction.
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-09-2008, 1:31 PM Reply   
here is the list i mentioned. I will paste it here with some changes to fit your question. Please note that this list was made with more of a search to find a hybrid that was leaning more to the threestage effect. but there are still some with a lean towards continuous.


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CWB transcend
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard8.asp?ProductID=3413


Marius
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=3942

adding to the list is
CWB ABSOLUTE
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard8.asp?ProductID=3408

Gator Board's Gonzales http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=4175

Hyperlite B-Side http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=4223

Hyperlite Murray http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=4220
one-of-a-kind-unique blended rocker. A TRUE HYBRID. Probably the most HYBRID rocker of any. Be sure to take a close look at this one!!!!

Hyperlite Tribute http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=4234

Liquid Force Lyman
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=3989
FOUR fins

Liquid Force Witness
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=4017

Obrien Valhala
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=4321

Obrien Vice
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=4324

Ronix Covin
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=3901

Ronix frontier
http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard9.asp?ProductID=3909

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from a RESEARCHING point of view the board i would recommend the most is the 2008 Hyperlite Murray


F.Y.I. I have Never ridden ANY of these boards personally, i simply recommended them based on simple research. get some opinions about ones that interest you and try to demo if at all possible. Sorry if i gave you too many choices. its simply a list of "hybrids" or what resemble hybrids.

From personal experience the only board I could recommend that i have ridden is the slingshot response. it is not a "hybrid rocker" but the flex of the board changes so much of the boards performance as compared to other boards that the rocker could possibly be considered "hybrid" as i mentioned above. It might be more slippery than you want for beginners especially, but then again i have had the opportunity of teaching one person to ride on one and he did fine, but he had a snowboard background sooo... Flex boards are relatively new and increasing in popularity. if you get a chance test one out to see if it is something you would enjoy. }
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 1:31 PM Reply   
Great advice - I have been staring at the Faction for some time. It seems the Faction bindings are top notch - the board just scared me a bit.

I want something a beginner can ride, but I will be riding most often, and my concerns come first.

Something about the CWB boards - I just like them - but others with more experience can persuade me otherwise.
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-09-2008, 1:34 PM Reply   
note: the murray is pricey, but i have heard on here a rumor that it will be made in foam, a much cheaper construction
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 1:37 PM Reply   
I see you mention the Ronix Frontier - I have seen a great price on the 2007 with the Scout bindings - any thoughts?

Teh Slinshots have really caught my attentions as well - they just scare me a bit as being too advanced - but they do seem to be making a big impact on the market.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       02-09-2008, 1:38 PM Reply   
CWB is top of the line, they have some of the best boards and bindings on the market IMO.
Dont let the Faction concern you , it is a very beginner friendly shape that a beginner to and advanced rider can ride and love.
If you can, take one out for demo and see what you think.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 1:39 PM Reply   
And - being a Georgia Bulldogs fan, I could never buy a Gator board - no matter what - the graphics would kill me LOL
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 1:40 PM Reply   
Inno - with respect to the Faction - was the 2008 a significant improvement over the 2007 - the 2007s seem to be pretty deeply discounted
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-09-2008, 1:45 PM Reply   
another note about the faction and fins and skill levels:

again the fins are deep and will make up for the loss of the center fin. Pretty much ALL boards have side fins now because they allow more control while on edge. When on edge the center fin is hardly in use.

The stats on the faction say "Intermediate - Advanced" I realize this my scare you, but in my personal opinion. Intermediate could be defined as "Day 2 riding"- like a beginner could use a beginner board for the first day and immediately hop on another board the next day or earlier. a "beginner" board wont help a person get up any better than a pro board. A "beginner" board MAY help a beginner feel more confident with their edges and turns on the first day is about it... I usually recommend people buying a board that allows progression to "ADVANCED" or "PRO" vs a "beginner to intermediate" board, just because the advanced board will allow for more options. BUT these are just my opinions.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       02-09-2008, 1:46 PM Reply   
If you want ronix the setup I'm selling is hard to be beat....
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/8/542067.html?1202444532
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       02-09-2008, 1:46 PM Reply   
Same shape as the 08, but the 08 has a new Fabric material top sheet thats pretty cool, but other then that its the same shape.
Now the 08 Faction Bindings are different then the 07 Faction Binding, they made big improvements in 08 with the 6inch plate (1lbs lighter per binding) and the reverse hinge.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 2:03 PM Reply   
I can get the 2007 Faction with the 07 Faction hinge binding for just over $300. Sound pretty good?

If I am a size 10 wide foot - should I get the large binding?
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       02-09-2008, 2:15 PM Reply   
Sounds like a great deal, Ya I would go large if you are a size 10 WIDE.
The 138cm board is good for up to 170lbs
The 144cm board is good for 150 and up.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       02-09-2008, 2:30 PM Reply   
Here is a good deal at boarders mall.
You get the board,bindings&bag.
http://boardersmall.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17471&cat=355&page=1
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 2:35 PM Reply   
I am looking at Boaters Outlet - $319 plus funny - the Faction was my initial choice - then I considered everything under the sun, and I am back here again.

I was sold on the Kink or Pure - time tested shapes, but i guess it is time for something new
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 2:36 PM Reply   
But - back to Jeremy's point - why not go with the Transcend? is that too much board for a newer rider?
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 2:51 PM Reply   
You can get an 07 Transcend with the 07 Faction binding for about $350 - seems to be a bargain?

What do you think?
Old    Loren (helix_rider)      Join Date: Mar 2003       02-09-2008, 3:02 PM Reply   
David, I am pretty much sold on the Transcend as my next board, but I don't remember people usually putting it in the 'beginner' category. Because I have not ridden either of them, this is all 2nd hand opinion, but I think the Faction might be more stable and 'forgiving' as you and your crew are learning the basics. That said, my first board was NOT a beginner board, and I learned on it just fine. But if I had started with a nice continuous rocker, I think I would have progressed faster instead of becoming the heelside hero that I have been trying to undo for the last couple of years.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 3:05 PM Reply   
I am a heelside hero already - LOL - great point

Loren - I think you are right - the Transcend seems to be pretty advanced, and at age 38, I do not want to kill myself trying to get it under control. I catch enough edges as it is.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       02-09-2008, 3:06 PM Reply   
No I dont think its too much board, thats what I ride, IMO best shape ever.
Old    David F. (mydawgs34)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-09-2008, 3:09 PM Reply   
I am really leaning towrd the Transcend - I have the 07 w/ Faction bindings in my cart for 370 - just waiting to complete the deal

was holding out for any other suggestions.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       02-09-2008, 3:12 PM Reply   
ronix ibex?

last time ill bother you with that.

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