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Old    trent (wakeboardlf25)      Join Date: May 2007       05-22-2007, 8:11 PM Reply   
anyone else's riding time being shortened by the gas prices. I only ride on the weekends as it is and even then my time is very limited because i can't afford but so much gas
Old    J2 (zuka666)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-22-2007, 8:12 PM Reply   
I work for gas...That's the new motto up here in the N. East! $3.05...Skied 1/2 hour tonight anyway, tired as it is.

(Message edited by zuka666 on May 22, 2007)
Old    Spin2Win (spin2win)      Join Date: Mar 2006       05-22-2007, 8:19 PM Reply   
i paid 3.69 today in malibu.(well my company paid) OUCH....
Old    J2 (zuka666)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-22-2007, 8:24 PM Reply   
3.69? What grade
Old    dustin sahlmann (dnice)      Join Date: May 2006       05-22-2007, 8:29 PM Reply   
I paid 3.40 at my marina.
Old    jason (hbguy)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-22-2007, 8:29 PM Reply   
I keep thinking that gas prices will shorten my ride from the city to the lake, but the freeway was still jacked up this past weekend. Maybe $4.00 a gallon will make some of these people stay home!
Old    J2 (zuka666)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-22-2007, 8:36 PM Reply   
Doubt it. Weekend warriors even come out in the rain.
Old    walt            05-22-2007, 8:40 PM Reply   
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_5831216

Welcome to the bay area.
Old    J2 (zuka666)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-22-2007, 8:43 PM Reply   
"{Bay Area gas prices shattering records
FUEL SOARS TO $3.61 IN S.F., SURPASSES $3 IN 19 OTHER STATES"

At least in MA we've got decent gas prices
Old    J2 (zuka666)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-22-2007, 8:44 PM Reply   
Thread HI - jack... Nice pics walt!
End hi - jack
Old    walt            05-22-2007, 8:44 PM Reply   
I shot this on the way to the Spring ride.

Upload
Old    J2 (zuka666)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-22-2007, 8:46 PM Reply   
Not so nice, the wave will be moving this way soon
Old    Boris Markin (borka)      Join Date: Jul 2006       05-22-2007, 11:43 PM Reply   
In our country 1$ per 1 liter of 95A, its 3,79$ per gallon...
Old    Dante (hal2814)      Join Date: Feb 2006       05-23-2007, 7:06 AM Reply   
"anyone else's riding time being shortened by the gas prices."

A $.50 jump in gas prices isn't going to alter my recreational plans. I just hope these price hikes keep more people off the lake.
Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-23-2007, 7:36 AM Reply   
Read this:

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html
Old     (fatsac)      Join Date: Jun 2004       05-23-2007, 8:05 AM Reply   
Wow Rich! That was depressing! However, I think all of the points are something we as a society have in the back of our minds; only no one wants to talk about it.
Old    scott firman (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       05-23-2007, 8:41 AM Reply   
A guy I worked with from India would not agree with that article. He said the total world population would have to increase 200% each year and at that point it would take 400 years to run out of fossil fuel. So if his numbers are correct...(and I am not saying they are) that would be a very long time. The area he is from in India is very rich in oil. So I would have to say, he knows more than I do about the subject. Unfortunately Sentil is now back in India, so I am unable to have him read this article and get his thoughts. there is a lot of propaganda out there. Hard to tell what is right and wrong anymore. Just like we should not drill off the coast of Florida.....after a discussion in DC said not too, Cuba is now putting up a new rig 9 miles off the coast of Florida and we have no say if they could or could not do so. I say if they are, what is the difference if we had done it. Just a thought.
Old    dustin sahlmann (dnice)      Join Date: May 2006       05-23-2007, 9:29 AM Reply   
WHile I know they have their strong points, if the EPA would shut the frick up, then our prices would not be what they are. If we had US refineries, which are EPA banned due to ultra high costs of meeting EPA demands, then we would not have to send our oil over seas to have it refined. COuld you imagine the savings in shipping costs? My $.02.
Old    scott firman (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       05-23-2007, 9:43 AM Reply   
Good point dustin!
Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-23-2007, 9:55 AM Reply   
DEPRESSING is the exact feeling I got after reading it.
Old    Chasin7 T (chaser)      Join Date: Sep 2006       05-23-2007, 10:01 AM Reply   
Rich, that is one depressing article.
Old    Dante (hal2814)      Join Date: Feb 2006       05-23-2007, 11:45 AM Reply   
There's some interesting stuff in that article but some of it is a bunch of crap. The thing I take most offense to is this:

"As mentioned previously, this is exactly what happened during the oil shocks of the 1970s - shortfalls in supply as little as 5% drove the price of oil up near 400%. Demand did not fall until the world was mired in the most severe economic slowdown since the Great Depression."

Demand did not fall because the biggest consumer of oil on earth capped the price of gasoline and other petroleum-based products during that time. If the market were allowed to adjust the price to the supply, there would have been no fuel shortage and demand would've dropped to meet the supply. Carter should've learned from Nixon: price caps don't work. Period.

When oil-based products get expensive enough, alternatives can and will be found. Right now there's just nothing cheaper to be had. The world isn't going to just turn over and die when it begins to lose its supply of oil.
Old    Karl De Looff (boarditup)      Join Date: Jan 2004       05-23-2007, 11:49 AM Reply   
Yada, yada, yada. Back in the 1850's there was a simlar scare about Peak Coal. Hmmm, what happended? We got much better at discovery and mining of coal.

How about oil? We have explored only a very small percentage of the planet. We don't know how much oil there is out there. We do know that there is much more than has been discovered. The bell curve is not predictive. I have seen the same curve since 1973 with the same dire predictions. Guess what? I still have to put gas in my car.

Will oil subside as a source of energy? Not likely in the near or medium term. In the long term, electricity can be cheaply produced by nuclear, wind, and hydro (I build wind farms).

The market will decide how to adapt to oil energy prices. Right now, the prices are artificially high due to government intervention. My guess is about $1.00 per gallon. It is a cash cow milked for taxes. The other part of the equasion is the obstacles to better refinng and distribution.

The sky is NOT falling. Enjoy your summer. Life will go on. The human race has made the transition from dung and wood to coal to oil to nuclear. We are still stuck in the coal, oil, and nuclear stage. There will be a follow on technology that nobody anticipates right now.

For me - I'll build lots of wind farms and generate electricity without oil, coal, nuclear, or pollution.

Peace - out.
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       05-23-2007, 12:32 PM Reply   
Whatever dude...the world is coming to an end in 2010 because of $4.00 gas and you know it...Geez don't you have your bomb shelter and your canned food ready? Get a clue

Life is short...drive a big truck and have a big boat...and if you don't like it get a "hybrid" and a wave runner and "do your part" ;) LOL

...and the rest of us will ride by laughing in our F350 or our slammed X-Star.
Old    Peter Sharp (gobigorgohome)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-23-2007, 1:17 PM Reply   
Quite often the people complaining about gas prices are the ones driving big vehicles. The increase in annual fuel costs for someone driving a 15mpg vehicle doing 15,000 miles pa is $400 if the price goes up by 50c/gallon.

What's the depreciation a big vehicle such as Chevy 2500 or F250 - $10k in the first year? Some people are missing the bigger picture.
Old    Brad (spoonman)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-23-2007, 1:28 PM Reply   
15k/year @ 15mpg =1000 gallons of fuel,average increase since feb is over 1$ with more increases on the way = at least 1000 more annually times 2maybe 3 cars and your boat adds up to more than 400 bones to me.
Old    trent (wakeboardlf25)      Join Date: May 2007       05-23-2007, 2:44 PM Reply   
this turned into a straight up econ 101 disscussion...why can't the govt just put a price ceiling on the price say at around $2.40..i don't think a shortage would occur because prices were at that price and there was no shortage
Old    Karl De Looff (boarditup)      Join Date: Jan 2004       05-23-2007, 5:22 PM Reply   
Communism and socialism 101. Look at USSR, Cuba, Zimbawe, North Korea, and Venuzula. Like anybody here want life like there....

Live free or die!
Old    Adam (bellada1)      Join Date: Jan 2007       05-23-2007, 7:34 PM Reply   
diesel is looking like a better idea every day....
Old    trent (wakeboardlf25)      Join Date: May 2007       05-23-2007, 7:44 PM Reply   
boardtipup---price ceilings are all over america and have been for a while im just suggesting it for gas and nothin else
Old    Karl De Looff (boarditup)      Join Date: Jan 2004       05-23-2007, 8:03 PM Reply   
Suggest away. Free county, yet. Think about it long and hard before you throw something like that out for public critique. It can be brutal. I remember 1973 when America tried fixing prices and then rationing. Complete disaster. No need to go through that nightmare again. Then again, I am one of the oldest guys on this board.
Old    scott firman (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       05-24-2007, 5:45 AM Reply   
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/business/24refinery.html?ei=5065&en=88a4750c6b8de113&ex=118 0584000&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print....this is quite interesting. If we want ethanol and alternative fuels...gas companies are making us pay now to convert. They should not be able to do this. They should automatically have a mandate to produce fuel for supply and demand. Not hold back on building refinerys. olding back will just force the us to have middleeastern countries continue to support our fuel consumption. When will these companies (gas companies) get a clue. Build the stinken refinery. E85 still requires 15% gasoline.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       05-24-2007, 6:41 AM Reply   
People will adapt, and boarding will go on.

I used to drive and H2 and pull a Launch everywhere to go ride.

I got rid of the truck and boat and now I drive a TDI Beetle getting over 50mpg and I kiteboard. The kite took some getting used to initially, but now I think its way better than wakeboarding ever was.

You can get around and ride your board without drinking a bunch of fuel.

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