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Old    Mike Snyder (rem_pss308)      Join Date: Mar 2004       05-08-2006, 10:20 AM Reply   
Anyone know how Shawn is doing after his fall ( KO ) Saturday.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-08-2006, 10:48 AM Reply   
I'm interested too. We need Lloyd to provide an update.
Old    Scott Taylor (taylormade)      Join Date: Jun 2001       05-08-2006, 11:57 AM Reply   
ouch... hadn't heard that. What happened?
Old    Toby yeo (toby_yeo)      Join Date: Feb 2006       05-08-2006, 12:04 PM Reply   
KGB 540 and hit the water hard, ending up face down and out cold with only his board floating above the water. The boat whipped around and Drew McGuckin got him on the platform, where Murray soon came to but had to be taken from the site in a strectcher
Old    hyperlitenerd (hyperlitenrd)      Join Date: Jan 2003       05-08-2006, 12:09 PM Reply   
holy @#$#!!! wow...
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       05-08-2006, 12:26 PM Reply   
I wish Shaun the best. That sucks.
Old    Ken (ghostrider_2)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-08-2006, 12:27 PM Reply   
any vid, what channel was that on?
Old    Alex Kinon (nj_alex)      Join Date: Aug 2002       05-08-2006, 12:34 PM Reply   
This is SO what wearing a vest is all about. Chalk-up another one for the good peole at Jet Pilot.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-08-2006, 12:36 PM Reply   
"ending up face down and out cold with only his board floating above the water. "

Uhh...So what did the vest do?
Old    roadking            05-08-2006, 12:36 PM Reply   
The vest did not keep him above water FYI.
Old    roadking            05-08-2006, 12:38 PM Reply   
He was at the site on Sunday. Has a case of whip-lash, was very stiff and sore. He will be fine with some time.
Old    hyperlitenerd (hyperlitenrd)      Join Date: Jan 2003       05-08-2006, 12:50 PM Reply   
J-rod, non cga vests dont float you if you are knocked out. dont forget to wear your cga vests everyone.
Old    Damien (damienk)      Join Date: May 2002       05-08-2006, 12:50 PM Reply   
Time to check your vests...put your vest on jump in the water exhale all your air out...if you sink...try another vest
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-08-2006, 12:52 PM Reply   
Hyperlitenerd.... I know

Old    Jeff Vaaler (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       05-08-2006, 1:04 PM Reply   
i think what vest you choose also depends on what bindings you wear. CGA vests are also supposed to flip you right-side up, but if you never fall out of your bindings and are laying face down, the thickest, burliest CGA vest in the world isn't going to turn you and your board face up--and, therefore, your head will remain in the water. if you're lying on your back with your board still attached, your head pretty much has to be out of the water. if you always fall out of your bindings, a CGA vest is a must. otherwise, a CGA vest won't do you any more good than an impact vest or being vestless as long as the board is attached to both feet
Old    hyperlitenerd (hyperlitenrd)      Join Date: Jan 2003       05-08-2006, 1:10 PM Reply   
j-rod, ok good, i thought you did.

Jeff, our types (type 3)of life jackets do not flip you over. A CGA vest will keep you afloat if you are knocked out. A non cga vest, that many of the pros wear in contests, are impacts vest. A cga vest lets the boat find your body.

types of vests: http://www.art4use.com/06campaign/06-campaign/web-content/types.htm
Old    Damien (damienk)      Join Date: May 2002       05-08-2006, 1:11 PM Reply   
My point is that you want the people in the boat to be able to find you. There was a death in Florida a few years back where the person was wearing molded vest got the wind knocked out of him and was unconcious... problem was, he sunk...with the vest. Had the boat been able to find him he would have been fine.
Old    Jeff Vaaler (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       05-08-2006, 1:21 PM Reply   
hyperlitenerd, i have seen some type 3's wakeboard vests that will turn you (your body, not the board) over if the water is calm enough. i agree a CGA vest is necessary if you're prone to falling out of your boots; it will keep you afloat (hopefully with your face up) and visible. but, if you always stay in your binding--like most pros seem to do--you're at the mercy of your board. land face up, you're okay; land face down knocked out and you're screwed, whether you have a CGA vest or you're shirtless (and recovery time will be identical since it will be easy to see the board)

(Message edited by jcv on May 08, 2006)
Old    Skubz (bflat53212)      Join Date: Mar 2003       05-08-2006, 1:45 PM Reply   
This is exactly why people need to be very aware when driving and/or watching people ride. I usually have the habit of looking for the riders head. Damien, I never heard that before. Is that a true story or a fabricated, slightly altered as time has gone on about the guy who was doing a clinic without a vest who got knocked out?
Old    Damien (damienk)      Join Date: May 2002       05-08-2006, 2:17 PM Reply   
I don't know about the clinic one...but the story I was refering to was a friend of Dean Lavell's
Old    Craig Butinsky (olddude)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-08-2006, 2:26 PM Reply   
Three years ago, my son and one of his friends was praticing for Worlds, he did a big switch 3 that was only 270, we heard a loud slap which by the way wasn't Tim's board, it was his body. I looked in the rearview mirror and Tim waved he was OK. As I started turing the boat, I noticed just the top back of his vest, he was floating face down. I immediatley accelerated to where Tim was lying in the water, Justin jumped and turned him over so his face was out of the water and swam him back to the boat, I picked him up and was calling his name, in the mean time, I was going over mouth to mouth procedures in my mind, then all of the sudden Tim spit up lots of water and opened his eyes, we where so happy I couldn't tell you. Scary as all he$$
Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       05-08-2006, 2:44 PM Reply   
I have personally spoken to the widow of a guy who died in eight feet of water wearing a non-CGA vest. He and the guys in the boat were search and rescue specialists, but they still didn't find him in time.

There are two ways to tell if your vest is going to float you when the worst happens. The first is to have the Coast Guard or some other professional testing organization test the vest and stamp it with it's approval.

The second is to put it on, stick your head under water and breathe in water until your lungs are completely full. If you still float once all the air in your lungs has been replaced by water, then you've got a winner.

Obviously, the second method is painful, difficult and will usually result in death, so it is definitely not recommended.

Always wear a Coast Guard Approved vest!!!
Old    Kevin (premierwake136)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-08-2006, 2:54 PM Reply   
i thought that shaun wears a USCG approved vest
the shaun murray model by jet pilot
Old    lloyd murray (lmtwa)      Join Date: May 2001       05-08-2006, 3:01 PM Reply   
Well..... anything exciting happen this weekend?? (jk)
Shaun is doing OK today with a great deal of stiffness in his neck. I haven't seen him today - but I know he's out and about.
First - let me comment about vests - I have been an ardent proponent of vests - particularly back when it was "in" to not weaar one (early 90's). I have never seen anything that challenges my thinking on that. While the vest may not always keep you face up - it does a few things 1)it keeps you on top of the water - in the event you lose your board like Dean Smith did earlier in the day 2) it makes it easier on whoever is helping you in the water.

Shaun took a very hard fall - it was a scary few minutes while the boat maneuvered to help him (Travis was instantly calling 911 and Drew jumped into the water from the boat. The EMT was immediately on the scene on the seadoo and they all worked to get Shaun into the boat as we stood on the shore and waited. It seemed like an eternity since the boat was covering what was happening and we couldn't tell if he was concious or what - but finally after about ? minutes - he sat up in the boat. The Fire department was there first and we got Shaun up onto land - he was very groggy and didn't look very good - but his long-term memory seemed OK - but then I asked him questions about the day and he couldn't remember anything short-term. I'm told they had first called in an air-vac and then called it off and the ambulance arrived - we then went downtown Atlanta to the trauma center where they were waiting for him - about 5 doctors etc. After Xrays and a CT scan - the doctor said they didn't see anything extraordinary but they were keeping him for the night.
He was released at noon Sunday and went to the stop where he signed autographs at the Hyperlite tent.
But the terrific part of the day was his riding in the quater-finals. He had one of his best runs I have ever seen in terms of smoothness and air - - he was clearly in the zone. And he was ecstatic - so it was a bummer that he ended the day off such a high. As you may know - there were big storms threatening in Atlanta for Sunday and as a result the tour decided to run the semi-finals immediately following the quarter-finals. Shaun fell on his first or second trick - finished the first pass fairly well - fell a second time and then on the next trick - ate it big-time. But we are all greatful that he emerged OK - it could have been much worse. Thanks to everyone who helped (or prayed) for him that day.
Old    Mike Snyder (rem_pss308)      Join Date: Mar 2004       05-08-2006, 3:25 PM Reply   
Yes it did seem an eternity. Thanks for the info Lloyd. I was there, and am very concerned.my son rides with him, and Travis a lot. It was very tense for a while. However on a funny note. He was riding against Shane Bonifay, and shane commented that every one he rides against gets knocked out, and a few riders said they hoped they didnt ride against him, cause he would put the jinks on them.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-08-2006, 3:26 PM Reply   
Lloyd,

How long till he is released to ride? Will he attempt to ride any more tour stops this year?

I was really stoked to see him in Reno. I'm bummed. I can't believe this happened.
Old    Aden Glatt (aden_g)      Join Date: Mar 2006       05-08-2006, 3:58 PM Reply   
"Chalk-up another one for the good peole at Jet Pilot."

Cause that wouldn't have happened with any other vest...
Old    David Hair (kneeboarddad)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-08-2006, 4:05 PM Reply   
LLoyd- Glad everything worked out. My heart just sunk when we heard. Shaun is one of those athletes that transends the sport. It was great to see how the crowd absolutely loves him and how excited they were when he won. During those first intense moments after he crashed the anxiety on shore was so thick you could slice it. He touches everyone in the sport and many who aren't. My wife doesn't realy follow the sport but when she heard about Shaun was really devistated. He is the great ambassador of wakeboarding.

I can think of nothing worse than watching from shore waiting to see if your child is ok. You also have been a great ambassador and a good role model for parents of wakeboarding. It is obvious the acorn didn't fall too far from the tree.}
Old    eric fox (fox)      Join Date: Jul 2002       05-08-2006, 4:07 PM Reply   
CGA vest won't flip you AND your board, as Lloyd said. Best wishes for a speedy recovery Shaun, hope you make the show in Wisconsin...I am definately planning on being there.

Eric
Old    alan plotz (alanp)      Join Date: Apr 2001       05-08-2006, 4:40 PM Reply   
so does anyone know what vest he was wearing? was he wearing the full metal jacket by jet pilot? i believe those are coast guard approved. however ive heard that shaun removes some of the paneling from his vest to improve his manuverability. anyone know if this was done to this particular vest?
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       05-08-2006, 5:10 PM Reply   
Ha, ha, Alan. Like someone would tell if it was.

Best wishes, Shaun. Hope to see you in Reno in July. Thanks for the update Lloyd.
Old    mplv            05-08-2006, 6:11 PM Reply   
i saw him a few weeks ago at the chain reaction event and the best i could tell no one was wearing a cga vest. they all had to wear the events tshirt over the vest so you couldnt really see them but they looked awefully thin. they did have a guy in a dingy to retrive fallen riders though
Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       05-08-2006, 6:21 PM Reply   
Most riders in comps do not wear CGA vests for good reason. It maximizes comfort, which maximizes performance. Plus they've got chase boats, constant supervision, medical personel available and they're PROFESSIONALS. My post above was in reference to the layman, who normally does not have any of the above working in their favor.
Old    Alex Kinon (nj_alex)      Join Date: Aug 2002       05-08-2006, 6:52 PM Reply   
Oh man. based on that criteria I better wear TWO CGA vests!
Old    Sparky Jay (wake_upppp)      Join Date: Nov 2003       05-08-2006, 8:32 PM Reply   
"The second is to put it on, stick your head under water and breathe in water until your lungs are completely full. If you still float once all the air in your lungs has been replaced by water, then you've got a winner."

"Obviously, the second method is painful, difficult and will usually result in death, so it is definitely not recommended."

Dave, I know you were just making a point, but this is actually physicaly impossible. Your lungs will only fill with water after you pass out.

Shaun, get well soon!


(Message edited by wake_upppp on May 08, 2006)
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-08-2006, 8:48 PM Reply   
I think he was making a joke!

Not that I want to start a pointless debate, but you're saying that if I went under water and took a deep breathe that I would not take water into the lungs?
Old    English (kristian)      Join Date: Nov 2002       05-08-2006, 8:51 PM Reply   
I think it would go into you're stomach like you were drinking water?
Old    Sparky Jay (wake_upppp)      Join Date: Nov 2003       05-08-2006, 8:53 PM Reply   
That's why I said I knew he was making a point. I'm saying you would'nt be able to take a breath under water unless you were out cold.
Old    KG - WakeboardNJ.com (wakescene)      Join Date: Feb 2001       05-08-2006, 9:15 PM Reply   
you ppl really know how to make a mountain out of a mole hill!

Lloyd, glad to hear all is going to be ok. I wish Shaun a speedy recover.


Old    Sparky Jay (wake_upppp)      Join Date: Nov 2003       05-08-2006, 9:22 PM Reply   
I think that's where the "Discussion" part of discussion board comes in!
Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       05-08-2006, 9:31 PM Reply   
Yeah, I guess the fact that it's impossible was the point. The fact is, you CANNOT simulate how your body will float once you've begun the process of drowning (i.e. replaced all the air in your lungs with water in your lungs) unless you've got the kind of testing resources that the Coast Guard has.
Old    Jeff Vaaler (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       05-08-2006, 9:33 PM Reply   
for what it's worth, i understood what you were getting at dave.
Old    Squid (twakess)      Join Date: Mar 2002       05-08-2006, 9:38 PM Reply   
Glad to hear Shaun is ok and will be back to grace the waters soon.

Old    Cris (criswb)      Join Date: Oct 2005       05-08-2006, 10:16 PM Reply   
what ever happened with robert soven? is he out of the hospital?
Old    Ken (ghostrider_2)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-08-2006, 11:19 PM Reply   
put it simply

Hope you get better Shawn!!
Old    lloyd murray (lmtwa)      Join Date: May 2001       05-09-2006, 5:35 AM Reply   
David
Thanks - it was good to meet you.

J-rod - I'm not sure about future tour stops - Shaun will have to answer those questions.

Thanks to everyone for their prayers and support.
Old    shaun belmont murray (shaun_murray)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-09-2006, 7:01 AM Reply   
Tues morning and boy am I sore! I can move my neck slightly but with serious discomfort. Sleeping isn't that much fun, but at least I can sleep.
Yup, it was the worst crash I have had to date and hope to keep it that way. I was doing a K5 and only remember taking off the wake, the rest is a blur. I put up a story how it went down on shaunmurray.net under "his words". Sorry Dave, just don't want to type the whole thing.
I am feeling better today, but not sure when I will ride again? I can't even ride in the boat yet, cuz the bouncing is too much. Thanks for everyones prayers. Shaun
Old    Jamie LaMar (jamie_lamar)      Join Date: Mar 2004       05-09-2006, 8:06 AM Reply   
Shaun - I told Brenden about the unlucky landing and he said he will wait on trying a K5 till he is bigger than you. Hope you're back on the water soon!!!
Old    Aaron Nielsen (lzyboy)      Join Date: Jun 2001       05-09-2006, 8:10 AM Reply   
ONE LUV.

Take it easy bro, most of all we are glad to see you are OK and in good spirits, we wish ya noting but the best for a safe, speedy & compelte recovery.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-09-2006, 8:18 AM Reply   

What a bummer, man. I was really hoping to see you make a huge come back and school the competition. Mostly because the skill level has advanced since you last competed. I was stoked you hear you throwing mobe 5s to make it happen.

I guess you would be way behind on points, but I would still love to see you ride in Reno in July. I hope you're feeling better by then.

Old    Jeff Vaaler (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       05-09-2006, 9:46 AM Reply   
From ShaunMurray.net:

"Phil was saying how he
has always wanted to ride against me since he has looked up to me for a
while, even though he is an inch taller than me."

Good to see Shaun is well enough to make jokes. Only an inch taller? Maybe if this was 1998.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       05-09-2006, 11:18 AM Reply   
Get well soon Shaun!! Its been a long time since I have heard the shoreline cheer like that for any rider.
Old    Toby yeo (toby_yeo)      Join Date: Feb 2006       05-09-2006, 11:21 AM Reply   
get well bud, we need to see you riding at all the other tour stops man!

i dont think i have ever seen a KGB 5 ever go down, is it a trick that many people can do?


cheers
toby
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-09-2006, 11:46 AM Reply   
Good question..who does them besides Murray and O'Brien?
Old    Paul Bernier (wakeriderixi)      Join Date: Jan 2004       05-09-2006, 1:22 PM Reply   
Murray is a wrapped KGB5 and Sean's is a handle pass KGB5..
Old    Randy Scagliotti (wakedad33)      Join Date: Oct 2005       05-09-2006, 1:41 PM Reply   
I think Andrew has one, saw a lot of Whrily 5's & Crow 5's go down last weekend. Both Jr. mens and Pro's have took it up a notch from last year. Shaun's qualifing run was stomped, good to have you back Shaun.
Old    Steve™ (kingskrew)      Join Date: May 2004       05-09-2006, 2:17 PM Reply   
Glad to hear you're ok Shaun. Get better (I don't mean better like land the KGB 5 next time, I mean get better like feel better ) soon!!

-Steve
Old    tim (oldguy)      Join Date: Nov 2001       05-09-2006, 8:35 PM Reply   
Just want to share a moment.

We have been to a few events in the last 6 years. I saw something Saturday I have never seen. A shoreline, several people deep, watching someone special ride.

At these events there are always people on the shore, in the tents, and busy talking. When Shaun Murray left the dock to ride on Saturday they were all on the shoreline cheering.

The cheers lasted throughout his entire pass. A pass that was fantastic to witness.

I am not sure there will ever be a rider with such support/respect.

Part of this "respect" is due to his riding ability. A great ability that is overshadowed only by his generosity to others.

If you ever get the chance to see Shaun, try something simple. Just smile and say hello. I know you will love the result.

We had to leave prior to the second ride Saturday. Kinda glad we missed it.

Shaun, you are the best! God Bless and get well soon.
Old    Craig (yosquire)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-09-2006, 9:27 PM Reply   
Shaun,

Glad you're ok! Wish you a speedy and pain-free recovery. Thanks for taking the time to let us know how you're doing - I appreciate that.

I wish this sport was 65% as hard on the body as it is. With many joint injuries and concussions under my belt I ask myself the question, "when's enough?" "When do I throw in the towel?" It's a little like Russian Roulette. If I were 18, I'd have no problem. At 29, I rely on my mental capacities to generate a livelihood. It's a tough balance of living my life to the fullest and choosing an exit to the sport I love so I can live a long & full life.
Old    Kenneth (longhornfan)      Join Date: Oct 2005       05-10-2006, 12:15 PM Reply   
I'm new to the sport, less than a year riding, but I can already see the kinda' ambassador Shaun is. Easiest way to explain it is that Shaun's my seven year old's second favorite pro athlete right behind Vince Young. Don't think anyone's ever gonna' take that number one spot though.
Old    Toby yeo (toby_yeo)      Join Date: Feb 2006       05-10-2006, 2:19 PM Reply   
how long uneill you think shaun will be riding again?

hope you make a quik speedy recovery and hope to see you chargin around in the comps for the rest of the season!
Old    shaun belmont murray (shaun_murray)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-11-2006, 7:41 AM Reply   
Went out on the boat at the camp yesterday. Not riding, just a passenger to hang with and coach students. Neck still hurts, but getting better each day. Thanks everyone for so much support, you guys don't know how much it means to have so many people speaking highly about myself. I'm going to start a thread about water safety so speak up and take some action. shaun
Old    Ronia (ladythump)      Join Date: Jul 2004       05-11-2006, 8:02 AM Reply   
Shaun,
Do you think you'll make it to the stop #2?
Old    Craig (yosquire)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-11-2006, 7:49 PM Reply   
Shaun,

Curious, were you wearing a helmet?

Do you think the helmet would have helped or hurt your situation? All the thread debate aside, I'm really interested to hear your highly experienced professional opinion on helmets for non-slider wakeboarding.

btw: Nice job taking down Soven!
Old    Dennis (sixeye)      Join Date: May 2005       05-11-2006, 7:59 PM Reply   
Shaun,
As a long time fan and having had the pleasure of meeting you a few years back on a BYT stop at Mission Bay San Diego, I was really excited about your return to the pro circuit this season. Imagine me holding my breath as I read through your dad's description of what happened. Best wishes and glad to see you back up and at 'em. I will be looking forward to your eventual return to the comps.

--Dennis

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