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Old    Eubanks (eubanks01)      Join Date: Jun 2001       02-04-2005, 6:51 AM Reply   
Obviously I'm only asking for opinions, but:

What is the best over-all SUV for towing a boat in the 21 to 23 foot range?
Old    toolfan (toolfan)      Join Date: Jul 2003       02-04-2005, 7:07 AM Reply   
no offense, but thats like asking what is the best board. the chevy guy is gonna say a suburban and the ford guy is gonna say a expedition. whatever they own is the best.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       02-04-2005, 7:07 AM Reply   
How far are you wanting to tow\travel? How long you plan on keeping the vehicle? You still live in DFW? Pretty much any of the full size SUV trucks will be fine if your just towing around here. The land is flat and the trips are short. Tahoe, H2, Expedition, Escalade, etc. will do the job. If you plan on taking your boat and seeing the country, you may want to consider a diesel Excursion or a Diesel truck with a shell. Might also want to consider these if this is a vehicle you plan on holding on to for a long time.
Old    E Double U (three6ty)      Join Date: Feb 2004       02-04-2005, 7:09 AM Reply   
Suzuki Samari 4x4
Old    swass            02-04-2005, 7:17 AM Reply   
You're high. VW Thing with a 7" lift and 37s.
Old    Eubanks (eubanks01)      Join Date: Jun 2001       02-04-2005, 7:24 AM Reply   
Toolfan...thanks for the response but apples to oranges. I would never ask opinions on a wakeboard as I would rather demo them for myself. As far as a truck goes, I can't exactly go hook up a boat to every tow vehicle out there and see which one pulls the best. That's why I was hoping to get some opinions to those who have experience with different suv's.

JG...Yes, I'm still in Dallas. I know you're more on the kiteboarding scene now, but if I remember correctly you had an Expedition. How did it tow your launch? I have the 5.4L 2000 Expedition and the only boats I have towed are a 21' Chapparral and a Pro Air Nautique. It did fine but I was wondering for future reference of possibly pulling a heavier 21' or a 23' foot.

Any opinions on the Tahoe Z71?
Old    swass            02-04-2005, 7:32 AM Reply   
You don't have to demo them. Check the specs on everything you're interested in and compare curb weight, max tow rating, hp and torque for available engine options and gear ratios.

Toolfan already told you what happens when asking for vehicle opinions, and Jason pretty much covered everything else.
Old    Eubanks (eubanks01)      Join Date: Jun 2001       02-04-2005, 7:38 AM Reply   
Swass...that may be my best option is to read the specs. I guess I was try to get a lazy man's answer! ;-)

Thanks everyone and thanksf for the specifics JG. So are you 100% kiteboarder now?
Old    Peter_C (peter_c)      Join Date: Sep 2001       02-04-2005, 7:48 AM Reply   
For a heavier boat you are going to want a 3/4 ton. In SUV's this leaves you with an Excursion or a Suburban. The Ford has the diesel which I would recommend reading about to learn more about its issues. The Excursion is also a giant vehicle with tons of space. The Suburban only comes with a gas engine, and the two engines get the same milage so the big block is the way to go. ROI from diesel to gas takes years to get it back, see if it is worth it to you.
Old    Gerald (sloshake)      Join Date: Mar 2003       02-04-2005, 8:03 AM Reply   
I towed a 2003 VLX with a Mazda Tribute 300 miles and didnt have a problem. Its right at the official tow limit of the vehicle. That was from the dealer to the dock. However, all future tows (dock to shop) are just 20 miles.

Someone told me that those tow limits are very conservative, and are meant for towing things around the country, so I figured this one big trip wouldnt be much of an issue. SO far the car has run just fine too.
Old    Kevin aka Chino (big_xstar)      Join Date: Nov 2004       02-04-2005, 8:14 AM Reply   
HEY Jarrett, I can tell you from my own experience
I tow my 04 XStar,Its almost 24 ft with platform and weighs about 5700 with fuel tank of gas, with a 02 chevy 1500 Z71 4*4 with
no problems at all. The Tahoe z71 will do great as
a tow vehicle. But that also goes for any V-8 powered suv or truck will work well.

(Message edited by big x-star on February 04, 2005)
Old    Fb (fbroen)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-04-2005, 8:38 AM Reply   
Sorry a bit off topic, but Peter or anyone, what does the 1/2 and 3/4 ton measurement stand for anyway. I realize that 3/4 tons are heavier duty with higher tow ratings, etc, but 3/4 ton measures...what? Just curious. Thanks.
Old    Flack (flackpack)      Join Date: Feb 2004       02-04-2005, 8:44 AM Reply   
Jarrett - I tow my Tige' 22v with an 04 Expedition with the 5.4l V8, and it does just fine. It replaced an Excursion with the 6.8l V-10 which was awesome at towing before this. The Excursion was a bit harsher on everyday driving as it is a 3/4 ton truck frame. If you can live with the firmer ride it is the way to go, but my wife didn't like the hard ride.

I also had a Chevy Tahoe with the 5.3l engine, and I absolutely prefer the Expedition for towing. I am about to replace the other vehicle, and I am heavily considering a VW Toureg with the V-10 diesel. It isn't sold in California yet, so I will have to buy out of state. I have a friend who tows with one, and it is really great. Good luck in your shopping.

(Message edited by flackpack on February 04, 2005)
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       02-04-2005, 8:55 AM Reply   
"VW Toureg with the V-10 diesel"

No shizzle? That's awesome.
Old    Kevin aka Chino (big_xstar)      Join Date: Nov 2004       02-04-2005, 8:56 AM Reply   
Hey Frederick, The 1/2 and 3/4 ton ratings refer to the payload capacity.
Old    Ryan Rantz (airrantz)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-04-2005, 9:11 AM Reply   
3/4 ton vehicles are usually set up for heavier workloads as well. The engines might be the same as a 1/2 ton, but the drivetrain is usually beefed up i.e. heavy duty trans, differentials, drive lines, etc. Older Chevy 1/2 tons had problems with rear ends going out with towing, and older Ford's had trouble with transmissions towing, even the diesel. Both manufacturers have made adjustments, and any new 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton will be able to tow a wakeboard boat fine. 3/4 ton is only necessary if you're really pushing the vehicle such as towing a huge 5th wheel or horse trailer, or loading up the bed with rock and dirt. If it's windy or hilly where you're driving you're gonna go through front brakes fast on an SUV, but this is typical. If you're driving long distances a diesel will be more economical. Short distances do not buy a diesel, the engines are made for marathons, short sprints are harsh on them. Hope this helps. Anyone with experience on a VW V-10 Toureg?? I wanna drive one bad with that much torque it could probably pull my house off it's foundation.
Old    Fb (fbroen)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-04-2005, 9:12 AM Reply   
Thanks. So the idea is that a 3/4 ton truck is capable of carrying a 3/4 ton of:

Payload Weight =
Weight of Occupants
+ weight of Cargo
+ weight of the Options and/or Additional Equipment (such as roof rack, snow plow, bed liner, etc.). In other words, everything added to the truck's base Curb Weight.
+ Tongue Weight (if trailering).

Old    Kevin aka Chino (big_xstar)      Join Date: Nov 2004       02-04-2005, 9:56 AM Reply   
Actually 3/4 of payload for just the bed itself or
the weight over the rear springs, so the tongue
would be part of the 3/4 ton ratings, but not any of the weight in the cab.
Old    hyperlitenerd (hyperlitenrd)      Join Date: Jan 2003       02-04-2005, 10:10 AM Reply   
Our 99 Expidition pulls our wakesetter LSV without any problems and thats a car full of people too, well it did have trouble going up to a lake near tahoe at 8000 ft it could only do 45 uphill.
Old    Chris Waters (gdillyfunk69)      Join Date: Nov 2003       02-04-2005, 11:50 AM Reply   
The tahoe z71 is incredible... we used to havea normal tahoe and that did the trick and we used that truck for 2 years and only got stuck at a boat ramp once. that was a 2001 and now we jsut got a 05 Tahoe z71 and its isane. So much horse power you can berly tap the gas and it pulls it right out. WE also used it to pull a 4,500 pound hydra sport out and it did it easy!
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       02-04-2005, 1:03 PM Reply   
1/2 tons (Expeditions, Tahoe, Z71s etc...) tow just fine. I have a Z71 myself. But ride in a F-250 or any 3/4 ton diesel with a boat in tow and you'll understand. There is no comparison. They actually accelerate up steep hills, with a boat, your gear, and all of your friends, while still getting 14 mpg. It's amazing.
Old    Bruce Banner (breadbutta)      Join Date: Dec 2003       02-04-2005, 2:42 PM Reply   
My 1997 4.6L(smaller ford v8) F-150 would do just fine. Now, my 2001 Excursion 6.8L V-10 will tow at 70+mph up the s/b grapevine. With 7 people and a s-load of camping gear.
Old    Alpha_Beast (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       02-04-2005, 4:04 PM Reply   
FWIW - My company gives our techs F-150s to pull 8500lb/60kw generators around. Doesn't pull real hard, but does get the job done. BTW - load distributing hitches & electric brakes on the gensets is the only way we can pull that much weight with that vehicle.
Old    Flight007 (poser007)      Join Date: Nov 2004       02-04-2005, 5:00 PM Reply   
I have a Yukon Denali and it towed my Pro V 3500 pounds probabbly close to 5000 with trailor and everything else in it, like there was nothing behind us. Even when we went over the siskyous comming back into Oregon it drove sweet.
Old    derek boyer (toyotafreak)      Join Date: Sep 2003       02-04-2005, 5:48 PM Reply   
Bruce, that same stretch with our Sequoia and Epic w/camping gear was 2nd gear, 4000-4500 rpm, and 50-55 mph. Had plenty of throttle left, but only 1000 rpm to go. No way it'd pull it in 3rd without downshifting often. After listening to the engine whine, I can appreciate the lower-stress Duramax approach.

Seems like a crime that GM hasn't adapted their SUV bodies to accept the Duramax/Allison.

PSD Excursion is beautiful underneath, but fit/finish inside leaves a lot to be desired IMO :-)
Old    Alessandro Garabaghi (pimp131)      Join Date: Aug 2003       02-06-2005, 9:45 PM Reply   
We have a 1995 Rodeo with a V6, and it tows out 94 prostar 205 with trailor and all gear just fine. ~70mph on the highway... stopping leaves alot to desiere though
also we have a V6 Toureg which can tow 2000lbs over our boats weight, so u barelt notice its there.
Old    x10            02-07-2005, 9:11 PM Reply   
Our 3/4 ton Yukon XL with 8.1 is a great towing machine with lots of room for people and gear. We frequently tow from the Bay Area to New Melones and then up Highway 4 to our cabin near Arnold. We go over the Altamont to the Delta all of the time with ease. Prior to this we had a 99 1/2 ton Suburban with the 5.7. There is just no comparison to the torque, stopping power and ride of the 3/4 ton. The gas mileage is also very comparable to what we got with the 5.7 and the truck doesn't work nearly as hard on grades.
Many vehicles will tow, but there really is no comparison to the safety and control when towing with these larger trucks. I have 32,000 miles on the original brakes and they are still in good condition, and most of these are tow miles.
Old    Kevin Bird (kevin_bird)      Join Date: Dec 2002       02-07-2005, 9:29 PM Reply   
That new international will probably do it i for get the name of it
cxt
Old    Kevin Bird (kevin_bird)      Join Date: Dec 2002       02-07-2005, 9:30 PM Reply   
Its the cxt and it was designed for the general public ashton kutcher has one.
Old    Kevin Bird (kevin_bird)      Join Date: Dec 2002       02-07-2005, 9:30 PM Reply   
Its the International CXT and it was designed for the general public ashton kutcher has one.

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