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Old    Thane Dogg (thane_dogg)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-29-2005, 3:15 PM Reply   
I found this vid as a new upload on wakepics.com.

It's not mine, but I saw it and didn't know if it would get posted here but it should be shared.

http://www.wakepics.com/view_single.php?medid=13470
Old    walt            01-29-2005, 3:28 PM Reply   
Nice riding for sure !
Old    David (tparider)      Join Date: Aug 2003       01-29-2005, 3:31 PM Reply   
Sean Branecki is making some great vids these days.
Old    byerly137pro            01-29-2005, 4:14 PM Reply   
He took that one 3 huge near the end, awesome video.
Old    wakeboardn4life            01-29-2005, 4:49 PM Reply   
is that not mike schwenne in the white shorts cuz theres a pic in wbm with him doin one of those tricks and it looks alot like him same board same shorts everything
Old    DJ (greenthumb)      Join Date: Mar 2004       01-29-2005, 6:13 PM Reply   
Wow that was some sweet riding. A couple things I noticed and any other opinions please post. The wake off that boat was huge, like a wall of water....and also, to me that rope does not look like its 70' out because where they are taking off from and landing (both peaks of wake) do not look that far apart. Would it be wise for me to shorten my rope, because the wake my boat is throwing is so wide and hard to have a nice smooth landing on the downside of the wake. I have ballast this year, so I guess that will help too.
Old    Thane Dogg (thane_dogg)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-29-2005, 6:24 PM Reply   
going faster might help narrow the wake up too. You probably can't tell from that vid since everything is in slo-mo, but I bet those guys are riding pretty fast.
Old    Thane Dogg (thane_dogg)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-29-2005, 6:51 PM Reply   
man I hit the jackpot.

Sean Branecki is filming and putting together some awesome stuff.

Check out the Brady Sammon's vid.

http://www.wakepics.com/media.php?searchstr=user:915&trick=Any&type=Any&ti me=1107053447&search=search&limit=10
Old    David (tparider)      Join Date: Aug 2003       01-29-2005, 7:04 PM Reply   
I like Rob Struharik's video that Sean did. It is #2 next to the Josh Storrer vid...

Old    Thane Dogg (thane_dogg)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-29-2005, 7:05 PM Reply   
yeah I watched that. sick.
Old    Scott (scott_a)      Join Date: Dec 2002       01-29-2005, 10:20 PM Reply   
clay- everything before 1:07 was schweene. after that is dykmans.

and its nice to see dykmans riding again...

sean has done some very nice work recently. if anyone is going to be at any boat shows be sure to stop by the hyperlite booth and watch the video they have for the Roam wakeboard. Sean filmed that...and its pretty sick.
Old    Bennett (wakehype)      Join Date: Dec 2002       01-29-2005, 11:04 PM Reply   
Schwan (Schweene) is the man. Dykmans also is a sick rider. Nice video.
Old    English (kristian)      Join Date: Nov 2002       01-30-2005, 5:02 AM Reply   
Daniel Some time ago Schweene said he rode at '95 if I'm not mistaken. He's obviously going at faster speed.

Thanks for finding those thane!
Old    David (tparider)      Join Date: Aug 2003       01-30-2005, 7:03 AM Reply   
95' of rope? Is that even possible? I thought the longest ropes of even the pros were only 80-82?
Old    Thane Dogg (thane_dogg)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-30-2005, 8:05 AM Reply   
No way I caught wind of Lyman riding at 90+ and when Cody Hall did that interview in WBM, he said that on occasion he rides 90+, and I'm sure that Randall is there by now if he's still riding. Randall was 26 mph and 87.5 a couple years ago.
Old    Leo Lasecki (malibuboarder75)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-30-2005, 8:47 AM Reply   
gotta love west coast style
Old    Scott (scott_a)      Join Date: Dec 2002       01-30-2005, 10:15 PM Reply   
ok i talked to mr. schweene today at the boat show and yes he DOES ride at 95 feet, but that is when he is riding behind HIS malibu with the reverse tower. the backwards tower allows him to add 10 feet of rope length to his line while still being in the same spot on the wake as if he rode at 85 feet with a regular tower. he said the difference between attachments is about 8 feet. normally he said he rides at 85 feet behind other malibus with a traditional tower and at about 26 mph.
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       01-30-2005, 10:17 PM Reply   
not to disrespect, but with the backwards tower, aren't you only losing at best, 5 feet?
Old    doctor octagon (dococ)      Join Date: Mar 2002       01-30-2005, 11:10 PM Reply   
Can't feel I have enough experience to argue the difference between 5 feet versus 8 feet within this specific context, but I can tell you when I rode behind Mike's previous boat (Super Air) with reverse tower, the reverse tower made a big difference.
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       01-30-2005, 11:26 PM Reply   
what's the reason(s) for having a backwards tower?
Old    essy            01-31-2005, 12:40 AM Reply   
anyone knows the name of the track?
Old    Mike Souza (ridn9high)      Join Date: Feb 2004       01-31-2005, 2:11 AM Reply   
and also, to me that rope does not look like its 70'
They are riding longer then 70'. Rode with Dykmans and Schwenne last year and I had to shorten the rope to 75'. Think they were at 80-85 behind Cook's X-Star. Both are great riders and very smooth. Video's do not do either one of them justice.
Old    Scott (scott_a)      Join Date: Dec 2002       01-31-2005, 2:36 AM Reply   
mike: can you please read all the posts before you decide to chime in next time?

when mr. schweene told me it added 8 feet i think he might be comparing that to another model of pro flight tower? im not sure how he came up with that number but he seemed very confident with it. there were no "uhhs" or "i thinks" coming from his side of the conversation.

joe: the backwards tower moves the rope attachment point foreward so you can have a longer line and still be in the same spot on the wake. you already know that having more rope length means that you wont get pulled down as much so you can float more yada yada yada...
Old    English (kristian)      Join Date: Nov 2002       01-31-2005, 4:24 AM Reply   
Its not that unusual, I ride at '90 with handle at 23mph.
Old    Mike Souza (ridn9high)      Join Date: Feb 2004       01-31-2005, 9:51 AM Reply   
mike: can you please read all the posts before you decide to chime in next time? Why? Someone thought it wasn't 70 feet or didn't look that far. I was just clarifing, is there a problem?
Old    Professor (brhanley)      Join Date: Jun 2001       01-31-2005, 11:07 AM Reply   
I thought that the backwards tower had to do with a patent infringement lawsuit brought by Correct Craft against other tower companies/boat manufacturers. Either pay up or use your own tower design. I heard that Malibu took route #2.

It might also allow you to lengthen your rope. I've never ridden on one so I can't comment.

Looks funny, though.
Old    Blabelmooch (blabel)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-31-2005, 12:11 PM Reply   
That's the kind of riding that makes me want to ride.
Old    Shawn Wilson (wakestar8878)      Join Date: Oct 2003       01-31-2005, 1:25 PM Reply   
Everyone of those videos was sick, great editing, good music, and above par riding. Awesome.....Thanks for finding those Thane.
Old    hpdvs            01-31-2005, 5:23 PM Reply   
Does anybody know the name of the song?
Old    tommyc (tommyc)      Join Date: Nov 2003       01-31-2005, 7:03 PM Reply   
The reason for the backward tower is becauase of the sweet spot. By moving the tower forward, you can lengthen the line, hit the same sweet spot and have longer hang time(because of the longer rope. Get It?
Old    tommyc (tommyc)      Join Date: Nov 2003       01-31-2005, 7:05 PM Reply   
The maufacturors dont get it, they keep moving the tower back, and cause you to shorten your line. Malibu is the only one who gets it!(Illusion Tower)
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       01-31-2005, 7:12 PM Reply   
correct me if i'm wrong, but it looks like the point where the line hooks up on the illusion tower is in the same position as where it would be on a "normal" tower.
Old    Sparky Jay (wake_upppp)      Join Date: Nov 2003       01-31-2005, 7:49 PM Reply   
yeah, I don't see that much difference either.
Old    tommyc (tommyc)      Join Date: Nov 2003       01-31-2005, 7:59 PM Reply   
Joe, you are right... on a normal tower. But the other manufactorers are moving the pivit point further back. With the illusion, you can easily move it forward, which is what they may do...soon. I have talked to a few people that say that they make a modification and move the pivot to the forward bar, which would add 2 ft. to the rope. I know of another manufaturer that is talking about designing a "forward pivot point" tower.
Old    doctor octagon (dococ)      Join Date: Mar 2002       01-31-2005, 9:13 PM Reply   
Tom is right, it's mostly about the sweet spot and added hang time, but in addition, the longer line also allows you to swing out wider and take a much smoother progressive cut at the wake without so much "pendulum effect." I guess it might work against a person for raley-based moves where the pendulum snap is your friend, but for the style of riding that Mike and Chris do (and I would guess that most of the rest of us aspire to), it makes everything smoother and more floaty.

The only drawback I noticed is that it's a B!TCH to get the boards off the rack because they are so far forward you cannot reach them over the windshield/bimini without getting all stretched out and contorted and nearly falling in the water.

But the tower works. After just a few tries I was doing switch toeside w2w's big and floaty with solid indy grab, and now behind any other boat it's all I can do to just clear the wake, forget about even going for the grab.
Old    Blabelmooch (blabel)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-31-2005, 9:18 PM Reply   
That first paragraph summed up my thoughts exactly.
Old    Bennett (wakehype)      Join Date: Dec 2002       01-31-2005, 10:48 PM Reply   
I agree. And the video does not do either of them justice. Mike is such a smooth rider. I love watching him ride. Sitting in the boat you can see Mike smiling during his entire run. It's great to see riders enjoying what they are doing. Props to bolth Mike and Chris.

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