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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-23-2022, 8:43 AM Reply   
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Yor Daddy got it too, he had to be rushed to Walter Reed and loaded up with steroids and drugs just to keep him breathing. All those Herman Cain award winners like meatloaf, all dead. Cracks me up orange fool is such a whiner. Guess thats part of the reason behind him sitting in the WH dining room for hour after hour after hour doing nothing while the nimrods he had just sent to the capitol trying to stop the steal. His aides tried to get him to act, his children tried, his attys tried, senators and congress people begged him, still he did nothing. Nocall to homeland security, no call to capitol police, no call to military, no call to Nat'l Guard, no call to Defense dept, nothing zero. Great leadership. It was as if they were doing exactly as he planned. What kind of president does nothing while the US Capitol is under attack? good smart trump, only f'ing trump. Must be the most vile, corrupt, evil person on the planet.
Hey, you better rush to get your monkey pox vaccine too since the WHO declared it to be a global health emergency.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-23-2022, 11:03 AM Reply   
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Further proof that TDS is for life. It’s like a form of mental herpes. How are you gonna react if he’s president again? I’d love to be there when your head explodes.
Concur, when he is 6 ft under, we (the country) should all be safe. LOL, at again he is a two time loser of the US popular vote, meaning most people never wanted him in either election. 3 million short in 2016 and seven million short in 2020, as they say, an inverse trend. Im sure cult45 popularity has gone down again, few in the USA are into fascist authoritarian coup planners like that obese orange dude. Get your discount 2024 flags now! Plan your boat parade and truck trains, Dont forget to donate. Your contribution 500X if you act right now.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-23-2022, 8:35 PM Reply   
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Concur, when he is 6 ft under, we (the country) should all be safe. LOL, at again he is a two time loser of the US popular vote, meaning most people never wanted him in either election. 3 million short in 2016 and seven million short in 2020, as they say, an inverse trend. Im sure cult45 popularity has gone down again, few in the USA are into fascist authoritarian coup planners like that obese orange dude. Get your discount 2024 flags now! Plan your boat parade and truck trains, Dont forget to donate. Your contribution 500X if you act right now.
So funny that after you admit your TDS, you continue to go after him. Not one ounce of shame. It’s just too powerful to hide any more for you. You are literally deranged over him like some psycho ex girlfriend would be over her ex boyfriend. You are the Glenn Close of this fatal attraction. Please stay away from men named Dan and all bunny rabbits.

Well, since you clearly have the mental herpes, you need to be proactive now and make sure you and your buddies all get the monkey pox vaccine before it’s too late!
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-24-2022, 9:07 AM Reply   
This clearly shows just how radicalized you and that party have become. Your attempt to shame me because i have a dislike for a US president who refused the peaceful transfer of power for the 1st time in our history, one who planned and attempted to violently take over the Gov't and as you see it I have the problem. Those that are Righteous shall have no shame. Shame is for the bas actors, the losers, the liars, it is for those that still fly trump won flags, that use the term Lets Go Brandon, that still think the grifter should run again. You are the evil in this country. Those in a cult have difficulty seeing fact, as you gloriously display. Monkey pox is generally a gay spread disease, id think a guy who cant stop sucking trumpdaddydick a high risk, you know TDS.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-24-2022, 10:20 AM Reply   
Gas prices have fallen 40 days in a row, Biden is really doing an incredible job.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-24-2022, 12:59 PM Reply   
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This clearly shows just how radicalized you and that party have become. Your attempt to shame me because i have a dislike for a US president who refused the peaceful transfer of power for the 1st time in our history, one who planned and attempted to violently take over the Gov't and as you see it I have the problem. Those that are Righteous shall have no shame. Shame is for the bas actors, the losers, the liars, it is for those that still fly trump won flags, that use the term Lets Go Brandon, that still think the grifter should run again. You are the evil in this country. Those in a cult have difficulty seeing fact, as you gloriously display. Monkey pox is generally a gay spread disease, id think a guy who cant stop sucking trumpdaddydick a high risk, you know TDS.
Listen to you go on like some crazy old aunt locked in a closet! Yeah, we’re all so radical. Like so radical that we go about living our lives by being peaceful and going to work to pay for the excesses of those in your party. We are the producers. You are the takers. You’re also the criminals. You create problems like illegals, inflation, theft in all its forms, rampant crime, an unstable world and plenty of immoral behaviors. You are the murderers in our society. You are the thugs. You are the fools that call themselves wise. I guess we all have our roles to play right?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-24-2022, 1:04 PM Reply   
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Gas prices have fallen 40 days in a row, Biden is really doing an incredible job.
Hmm nope. Plus he’s still got a LOOOOONG way to go to get back to Trump prices. Diesel is still double what I was paying. I’d just like to have the money back that he stole from me with his policies. I’m personally out multiple thousands because of Mr Magoo’s policies. That’s just for fuel. After that, I want my money back from all the inflation that his policies cost me.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-24-2022, 2:40 PM Reply   
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Hmm nope. Plus he’s still got a LOOOOONG way to go to get back to Trump prices. Diesel is still double what I was paying. I’d just like to have the money back that he stole from me with his policies. I’m personally out multiple thousands because of Mr Magoo’s policies. That’s just for fuel. After that, I want my money back from all the inflation that his policies cost me.
Look, we have been through this before, try to keep up. Republicans all agree deficit spending causes inflation.

What causes inflation? Deficit spending.

Who went crazy with deficit spending? Trump.

Who is starting to trim it back and get the budget blow out under control? Biden.

It's a shame your gas bill has gone up but don't blame gravity for the apple falling on your head.
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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-25-2022, 5:51 PM Reply   
195 Republicans vote against the right to contraception. Lol, what are these turkeys smoking. Nothing says small government like them having a say if you can take the pill or wear a condom.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-bill-1386356/
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-26-2022, 9:02 AM Reply   
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195 Republicans vote against the right to contraception. Lol, what are these turkeys smoking. Nothing says small government like them having a say if you can take the pill or wear a condom.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-bill-1386356/
once upon a time the right would sort of nibble around middle america's lack of sophistication, carefully calling them "salt of the earth" and "simple, god fearing folk"

until they realized that all of that lack of education and magical thinking was a massive unused resource and they tapped that thick, rich vein of american dumb

i'm talking about the pizzagate-birther-hydroxychloroquine folks

(i mean, how ****ed up is your brain that you could watch trump or taylor greene or gaetz spew gibberish and vitriol and think to yourself "oh yeah, we're definitely the good guys")

and so by weaponizing the fox news crowd they have both deniability and all that red stupid at their fingertips - and they clearly believe their own people are disposable

Red America are uneducated people that vote against their own well being, and are prayed upon by the GOP.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-28-2022, 4:09 AM Reply   
welcome to recession, and the highest inflation in 40 years. Look at it positively, the amount of drugs spewing into the country will allow you to medicate yourself, and mask the pain!
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-28-2022, 12:49 PM Reply   
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welcome to recession, and the highest inflation in 40 years. Look at it positively, the amount of drugs spewing into the country will allow you to medicate yourself, and mask the pain!
Yeah thanks Donald for completely shagging the economy by overheating the bubble at the end of a fiscal expansion, great job. Have fun paying that debt off.

If you can trust citizens with guns they use on other people you can trust them with drugs they use on themselves.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-28-2022, 12:57 PM Reply   
What's wrong with these mother****ers, are they holding on to the money to do more corporate bailouts or tax cuts for corporations?

Disgusting

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ns-jon-stewart
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-28-2022, 2:31 PM Reply   
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What's wrong with these mother****ers, are they holding on to the money to do more corporate bailouts or tax cuts for corporations?

Disgusting

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ns-jon-stewart
GOP, party of our military are suckers and losers according to DJT. Way to be America First.
Remember who they are.
https://www.newsweek.com/41-senate-r...h-care-1728613
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-29-2022, 12:44 PM Reply   
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What's wrong with these mother****ers, are they holding on to the money to do more corporate bailouts or tax cuts for corporations?

Disgusting

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ns-jon-stewart
Looks pretty clear in the article. The Senate passed it then the house democrats added pork and other long term spending projects to it.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-29-2022, 12:45 PM Reply   
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Yeah thanks Donald for completely shagging the economy by overheating the bubble at the end of a fiscal expansion, great job. Have fun paying that debt off.

If you can trust citizens with guns they use on other people you can trust them with drugs they use on themselves.
President does not pass budgets. Democrats were in control of budgets.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-29-2022, 12:48 PM Reply   
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Gas prices have fallen 40 days in a row, Biden is really doing an incredible job.
hardly. Still $6.50 a gallon for diesel.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-29-2022, 2:46 PM Reply   
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Looks pretty clear in the article. The Senate passed it then the house democrats added pork and other long term spending projects to it.
Nope, you are just lying again.
"ohn Cornyn, a Texas Republican, told CNN Republicans did not back the measure because Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader, was blocking votes on amendments Republicans wanted.

Cornyn also said Republicans wanted to negotiate more, in order to cut out some of the mandatory spending contained in the bill.

Stewart called that justification “bull****”.


agree with Stewart.
Why is it the only thing R's do is Block democrats helping americans? Just F'ing anti american everything.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-29-2022, 2:51 PM Reply   
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President does not pass budgets. Democrats were in control of budgets.
It was his major accomplishment of his single term.
all he talked about for months, Hannity couldn't stop pushing it as his accomplishment, Ingraham the same Fox still talks about it. Look it up.
He added to the deficit which is underlying cause of current inflation. That and oil profits thru the roof. Suck it.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-29-2022, 2:51 PM Reply   
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President does not pass budgets. Democrats were in control of budgets.
That's completely wrong Republicans controlled the WH, senate & house when the tax cuts for the rich were passed.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-29-2022, 2:55 PM Reply   
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hardly. Still $6.50 a gallon for diesel.
Fuel prices dropped every single day for 45 days straight, Fact
Biden said buy an Electric or hybrid. Fact
Delta buys a diesel whines and complains and blames biden for it. Biden a car dealer now too?
Tell me where he touched you little girl...
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-30-2022, 5:19 AM Reply   
95, there's no sense in debating how we got here. You and I will never agree. I'm okay with that. I also don't see a point in name calling, so I won't engage in that either.

Having said that;

What do you think of Biden finishing a part of the border wall?

I'm thinking that what the WH said is a load of BS.

If they are really trying to "clean up the mess", why not remove and resell the materials?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-30-2022, 9:31 AM Reply   
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95, there's no sense in debating how we got here. You and I will never agree. I'm okay with that. I also don't see a point in name calling, so I won't engage in that either.

Having said that;

What do you think of Biden finishing a part of the border wall?

I'm thinking that what the WH said is a load of BS.

If they are really trying to "clean up the mess", why not remove and resell the materials?
Ive no issue with buttoning up the AZ wall. If it makes R's happy, im happy.
No idea what WH response was/is, havnt heard.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-30-2022, 6:38 PM Reply   
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Looks pretty clear in the article. The Senate passed it then the house democrats added pork and other long term spending projects to it.
100% untrue. $400m was reclassified from discretionary spending to mandatory spending. That's it, that's the charge. Every dollar in the bill is for sick veterans, you might think that is "pork" but the veterans do not.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-01-2022, 6:04 AM Reply   
True story.
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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-01-2022, 10:01 PM Reply   
Did you see Biden just vaporized Ayman al-Zawahiri? A bit rude, Trump was just about to play golf with him.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-02-2022, 10:42 AM Reply   
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Fuel prices dropped every single day for 45 days straight, Fact
Biden said buy an Electric or hybrid. Fact
Delta buys a diesel whines and complains and blames biden for it. Biden a car dealer now too?
Tell me where he touched you little girl...
Math is not your strong suit is it. gas prices during trump under $3 a gallon. Goes up to near $7 dollars a gallon. Drops to $5.60 a gallon with diesel which is the life blood of our economy still near $6.50 a gallon and the idiot democrats try and tell us Biden is working for us and prices have gone down for so many day in a row. Wow. Dropped like a penny a day.

Yep. Biden did say go buy a electric. He is out of touch. The independent test reports are coming in from magazines and youtube testers on electric vehicles. the results are not good. electric F150 could tow about 130 miles before being depleted. Then it was going to take half a day to recharge. One magazine person took a trip from Chicago to New Orleans. She spent almost 12 hours charging to make it. Sorry. Regular people can not afford $80,000 electric cars that only work half the time. Never mind the environmental mess they are. Watching this one TED Talk, you have to drive your hi range Tesla 800,000 miles to finally break even on the carbon footprint over a regular gas powered car.

More like where did Trump touch you.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-02-2022, 10:44 AM Reply   
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Did you see Biden just vaporized Ayman al-Zawahiri? A bit rude, Trump was just about to play golf with him.
Funny. They did it in afganhnistan. Not is some mountainous cave. They did it right in the city in a rich part of town. Gee. I wonder who botched the exit from that country that now has Al Queda leadership hanging out in a major city in plane site.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-02-2022, 10:48 AM Reply   
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That's completely wrong Republicans controlled the WH, senate & house when the tax cuts for the rich were passed.
And what you laid out was emergency covid spending. The democrats are trying to pass a 15% corporate tax and saying it will only bring in $400 billion over the years. You really think changing the tax structure is going to change the outgoing money like you are saying? I have a bridge to sell you. I would like to know where this so called tax break went. I ended up paying like another 2 to 4 thousand a year in taxes.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-02-2022, 10:52 AM Reply   
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100% untrue. $400m was reclassified from discretionary spending to mandatory spending. That's it, that's the charge. Every dollar in the bill is for sick veterans, you might think that is "pork" but the veterans do not.
Then remove the $400 million in discretionary spending if it is not a big deal. The Republicans in mass agreed to a different version. The democrats knew they would not go for it so they put it in there. They do it all the time. It is a show vote. They add something important, then add other crap that is garbage that any sane person would not vote on and then go back and say the other party does not believe in saving children. If the democrats really wanted to fund this, then remove the ride along. Works that way too.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       08-02-2022, 12:36 PM Reply   
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Math is not your strong suit is it. gas prices during trump under $3 a gallon. Goes up to near $7 dollars a gallon. Drops to $5.60 a gallon with diesel which is the life blood of our economy still near $6.50 a gallon and the idiot democrats try and tell us Biden is working for us and prices have gone down for so many day in a row. Wow. Dropped like a penny a day.

Yep. Biden did say go buy a electric. He is out of touch. The independent test reports are coming in from magazines and youtube testers on electric vehicles. the results are not good. electric F150 could tow about 130 miles before being depleted. Then it was going to take half a day to recharge. One magazine person took a trip from Chicago to New Orleans. She spent almost 12 hours charging to make it. Sorry. Regular people can not afford $80,000 electric cars that only work half the time. Never mind the environmental mess they are. Watching this one TED Talk, you have to drive your hi range Tesla 800,000 miles to finally break even on the carbon footprint over a regular gas powered car.

More like where did Trump touch you.
Funny thing is, that's being nice, they re extremely bad for the CO2 and environment, Cathoid powder will give all your kids cancer. It will end up everywhere, no way to contain or recycle it. Very dangerous, also the CO2 is more than a gas vehicle.

Funny if we just keep using natural gas and nuclear, we could be 99% green, without the dangers of electric junk. Yes, EV will get better and yes, we need to continue to develop better options, but solar panels are dirty to make, and wind mills are even worse, and they both generate nothing, and cant send energy anywhere else, have to use it now, and storage is a joke, Great job dems
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-02-2022, 2:26 PM Reply   
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Funny thing is, that's being nice, they re extremely bad for the CO2 and environment, Cathoid powder will give all your kids cancer. It will end up everywhere, no way to contain or recycle it. Very dangerous, also the CO2 is more than a gas vehicle.

Funny if we just keep using natural gas and nuclear, we could be 99% green, without the dangers of electric junk. Yes, EV will get better and yes, we need to continue to develop better options, but solar panels are dirty to make, and wind mills are even worse, and they both generate nothing, and cant send energy anywhere else, have to use it now, and storage is a joke, Great job dems
Yep. Saw another guy giving a different TED talk. The guy used to be a anti nuclear activist. Now he spends his time explaining how he was wrong and that we need to use nuclear. Laid out all the accidents and how much less they were compared to coal and so on.

I believe it is the same talk I saw was regarding that automobiles are only a 10 to 15% problem for CO2. The real issue is industrial. That would be nominally cured by nuclear. He laid out basically you are going to destroy the environment to try and cure the air and basically not do that either.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-02-2022, 6:44 PM Reply   
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Funny thing is, that's being nice, they re extremely bad for the CO2 and environment, Cathoid powder will give all your kids cancer. It will end up everywhere, no way to contain or recycle it. Very dangerous, also the CO2 is more than a gas vehicle.
Not even close to true, who gave you those "facts", your friendly big oil executive?
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/el...-vehicle-myths
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       08-03-2022, 3:32 AM Reply   
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Yep. Saw another guy giving a different TED talk. The guy used to be a anti nuclear activist. Now he spends his time explaining how he was wrong and that we need to use nuclear. Laid out all the accidents and how much less they were compared to coal and so on.

I believe it is the same talk I saw was regarding that automobiles are only a 10 to 15% problem for CO2. The real issue is industrial. That would be nominally cured by nuclear. He laid out basically you are going to destroy the environment to try and cure the air and basically not do that either.
no one wants to talk about the black mass, you have to smelt it to remove the rare earths, and you cannot use oxygen to remove the liquid created from the battery, or it will explode. The smelting process is very toxic and needs a ton of energy (coal or gas) to perform the process.

The battery tech is not going to work, at this point and will cause a massive shortage in 10 years. Like silver and other materials we just dont have. The CO2 to mine all the material and then the process to refine the dead batteries will create more damage than good.

We need to develop hybrid systems and clean diesel or natural gas engines, but that means the green idiots fight drilling and fracking. Its really a joke, as 99% of the argument is bunk, as we have had particle levels way higher over millions of years ago.

CO2 is a problem not a crisis, and can be worked out only when the cost of producing energy is low, and tech can move forward at reasonable costs. IT energy is expensive, tech stops. There are very few recycling companies in the world, that can handle this process, and its insanely expensive, and the materials from it, that have all the value, is the black mass. that, again, has to be smelted to reuse. hence 50% of all batteries are dumped and left to rot. Acid based batteries are recycled, as the #1 end game is lead. Also toxic, but we have found a way to keep the recycling costs low, so aprox 100% of acid based batteries are easily recycled.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       08-03-2022, 4:47 AM Reply   
Our EPA, prob not trustworthy either, show aprox 6% of electricity output, in 2020, was due to EV cars, EV cars make up aprox 3% of the total "light duty" operation, that's people who have cars, not commercial. If you swap all the gas cars for electric, that needed output would be staggering. hence the need to burn XXXXXX amount of gas, coal and or nuclear (that we dont have) is off the charts, It will add to greenhouse CO2 like we have never seen.

Also you need 480v to run a level 3 DC charging station, not all locations can manage this, and if you are to add enough charging stations to produce the output, you would have to have nuclear power stations everywhere, like every 5 miles. that's only if we rebuilt the entire grid to handle the voltage, and only if it is profitable.

So price of electricity has to go up. Hence a 25k level 3 chagring station, today, makes about 70 bucks a day in profit. Estimate 48 total charges per station at 30 min each for every hour of the day, ( not realistic) and the fact that the cost for level 3 would need to massively increase, or people sit for 3 hours to charge. The math does not work, the CO2 argument is stupid and debunked, the grid will fail. the fossil fuel to charge everything will be much greater and the end user, if we could move in this direction, will pay extreme costs to charge. It politica fodder. Maybe in 100 years from now, we will have a system more viable, but unit energy is uber cheap, its a broken arrow, even if we toss the "save the earth BS " out the window, and understand (in the current environment) we are adding co2 and making it worse.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-03-2022, 8:39 AM Reply   
Ralph’s head exploding in 3,2,1……
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-03-2022, 12:29 PM Reply   
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Ralph’s head exploding in 3,2,1……
No not at all, the reality is the market is going to drive the change and it's not possible to stop it now.

Things to consider:
The transition is going to take 30 years, there is time to transition off petrol and reinforce clean electricity production, the market forces of demand and supply will cause the transition.
Back filling the grid with roof top solar has many many advantages in terms of being energy independent and lowering the consumers overall energy costs.
95% of most peoples charging will happen at there own homes while they sleep, charge times and high powered chargers while important and not the most important part of owing an EV.
The average commute for an American is 34 miles

Most importantly:
The running cost of an EV is already about half of a petrol or diesel powered vehicle.
The capital cost to build an EV is already at parity to building a petrol car. As battery technology matures and scales it's going to be significantly cheaper to build and EV than a petrol car.
Long story short petrol powered vehicles will not be able to compete financially with owning an EV, you do not need to spin any narrative around CO2 or being "Green" most people don't really care about that, they care about money.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       08-03-2022, 3:47 PM Reply   
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No not at all, the reality is the market is going to drive the change and it's not possible to stop it now.

Things to consider:
The transition is going to take 30 years, there is time to transition off petrol and reinforce clean electricity production, the market forces of demand and supply will cause the transition.
Back filling the grid with roof top solar has many many advantages in terms of being energy independent and lowering the consumers overall energy costs.
95% of most peoples charging will happen at there own homes while they sleep, charge times and high powered chargers while important and not the most important part of owing an EV.
The average commute for an American is 34 miles

Most importantly:
The running cost of an EV is already about half of a petrol or diesel powered vehicle.
The capital cost to build an EV is already at parity to building a petrol car. As battery technology matures and scales it's going to be significantly cheaper to build and EV than a petrol car.
Long story short petrol powered vehicles will not be able to compete financially with owning an EV, you do not need to spin any narrative around CO2 or being "Green" most people don't really care about that, they care about money.
Ralphie, at least we agree that the CO2 is nothing but spin. WE will just have to see, will be something as we will not be able to sustain battery manufacturing for 30 years without major recycling projects and very deep, large holes in the earth, with tons of political fall out to mine it. The left doesn't want a pipe running over a river, even if its in the air. Cant wait to see what they say when we go digging giant holes all over the country, bellowing black smoke in the air, to dig up metals that will run out way before we can revamp the grid and develop battery tech that works.

Stop the madness, and start working on solid state cells, scrap lithium, its junk for this application. Everyone knows it

The only value in a charging station is the 60 bucks worth of copper in the cable coming out of it. Best thing to do is cut it off and scrap the copper.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       08-03-2022, 4:42 PM Reply   
maybe a good time to buy some copper futures, hedge it short, dump 100k at it, then keep spinning it to new contracts until we hit a shortage on it. Going to hit soon, as copper estimates are to triple in next few years. recycling cannot keep up, and mining is limited.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       08-03-2022, 5:16 PM Reply   
Here some more info, finally congress is potentially, going to stop the Fauci lie, as it is now out, the gain of function was happening, on covid, in china and (possible NC) and was funded, behind the lines, by Fauic and Co. He lied like a rug. Finally doctors are coming out, stating it was man made, in a lab. by gain of function.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-03-2022, 6:34 PM Reply   
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Ralphie, at least we agree that the CO2 is nothing but spin.
I don't necessarily agree it's all spin but I'm open minded to both positions.

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WE will just have to see, will be something as we will not be able to sustain battery manufacturing for 30 years without major recycling projects and very deep, large holes in the earth, with tons of political fall out to mine it.
Yes it's going to require a large amount of mining, what the scale of that is relative to oil "mining" is hard to quantify what is worse but you have to recognize the difference between mining something which has a 10-15 year life vs mining something which is consumable like petrol.

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Stop the madness, and start working on solid state cells, scrap lithium, its junk for this application. Everyone knows it
The medium term future is some lithium variant of battery, there isn't the technology to scale solid state batteries to the levels required for all of the applications in vehicles and grid level storage.
Old     (brettw)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-04-2022, 11:26 AM Reply   
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Here some more info, finally congress is potentially, going to stop the Fauci lie, as it is now out, the gain of function was happening, on covid, in china and (possible NC) and was funded, behind the lines, by Fauic and Co. He lied like a rug. Finally doctors are coming out, stating it was man made, in a lab. by gain of function.
This caught my eye because the science is still out on this as an article just popped up the other day saying it was likely naturally created. Here's some info on both theories worth reading, especially before trying to spout off a fact about COVID19 being naturally created or not.

https://ayjchan.medium.com/the-evide...9-6946407f3310
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-04-2022, 7:23 PM Reply   
Biden has drastically reduced the number of drone strikes over his presidency, is he the best president ever?
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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-05-2022, 8:17 AM Reply   
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Biden has drastically reduced the number of drone strikes over his presidency, is he the best president ever?
Was never anyone's metric on determining a good president, although the president with the most drone strikes received the Nobel Peace Prize.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-05-2022, 8:19 AM Reply   
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This caught my eye because the science is still out on this as an article just popped up the other day saying it was likely naturally created. Here's some info on both theories worth reading, especially before trying to spout off a fact about COVID19 being naturally created or not.

https://ayjchan.medium.com/the-evide...9-6946407f3310
While I don't totally disagree, we literally had one side spouting off that it absolutely not man made. Even censored the ability to talk about it being man made. That is the problem.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       08-05-2022, 8:25 AM Reply   
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Ralphie, at least we agree that the CO2 is nothing but spin. WE will just have to see, will be something as we will not be able to sustain battery manufacturing for 30 years without major recycling projects and very deep, large holes in the earth, with tons of political fall out to mine it. The left doesn't want a pipe running over a river, even if its in the air. Cant wait to see what they say when we go digging giant holes all over the country, bellowing black smoke in the air, to dig up metals that will run out way before we can revamp the grid and develop battery tech that works.

Stop the madness, and start working on solid state cells, scrap lithium, its junk for this application. Everyone knows it

The only value in a charging station is the 60 bucks worth of copper in the cable coming out of it. Best thing to do is cut it off and scrap the copper.
Just saw what I believe to be an important article the other day in regards to that underwater volcano eruption in Tonga. Apparently that put an additional 10% of the worlds water vapor into the air and unlike other smaller eruptions, they believe this will stay in the air for 5 to 10 years. I have looked into it before and it is worth looking at again, but water vapor is significantly more of a green house gas than CO2.

This is why I have always believed that trying to control CO2 was always political. Control peoples means to live and you control the people. I would argue that spraying water in near aerosol form all over the world to grow food is more of a green house contributor than cars.

Why water Vapour is a more important greenhouse gas than CO2?
It's condensable – it can be changed from a gas into a liquid. Its concentration depends on the temperature of the atmosphere. This makes water vapor the only greenhouse gas whose concentration increases because the atmosphere is warming, and causes it to warm even more.Feb 8, 2022

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-cl...nhouse-effect/

Steamy Relationships: How Atmospheric Water Vapor Supercharges Earth's Greenhouse Effect

Since the late 1800s, global average surface temperatures have increased by about 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1.1 degrees Celsius). Data from satellites, weather balloons, and ground measurements confirm the amount of atmospheric water vapor is increasing as the climate warms. (The United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Sixth Assessment Report states total atmospheric water vapor is increasing 1 to 2% per decade.) For every degree Celsius that Earth’s atmospheric temperature rises, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere can increase by about 7%, according to the laws of thermodynamics.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-05-2022, 9:51 PM Reply   
Dark Brandon said let there be jobs. And there were jobs, 500k+ in fact. Is he the best president ever?
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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-07-2022, 4:03 PM Reply   
Why did Republicans strip out the insulin price cap from the reconciliation bill?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       Yesterday, 11:45 AM Reply   
Republicans whining about inflation and the economy, blaming Biden nonstop. So what do they do to help Americans? esp those that are diabetics?
( roughly 38million Americans), they decide to keep insulin prices as high as possible to F their constituents, bend them over and send $$ to Big pharma. Democrats can only do so much to help everyday Americans, Republicans only look out for Big Pharma, Big Oil... cause that is who pays them.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...35-cap-insulin


Waiving the rules required 60 votes to succeed. Only seven Republicans sided with Democrats to keep the insulin cap in the bill with a 57-43 vote.

“Republicans have just gone on the record in favor of expensive insulin,” Senate Finance Committee Chair Ron Wyden said. “After years of tough talk about taking on insulin makers, Republicans have once against wilted in the face of heat from Big Pharma. Fortunately, the $35 insulin copay cap for insulin in Medicare remains in the bill, so seniors will get relief from high insulin costs. I will continue working to deliver lower insulin costs to all Americans.”

"Republicans just forced out of the reconciliation bill a $35/month out-of-pocket cap for insulin users with private health insurance. What the hell is wrong with them? Really, what the hell is wrong with them?" said Robert Weissman, President of Public Citizen in a tweet.

Congressman Bill Pascrell Jr.,representing the 9th District of New Jersey, said in a tweet "Here are the McConnell republican senators who just killed capping insulin at $35. Republicans told millions of Americans who use insulin to go to hell. Remember their names."
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       Yesterday, 5:44 PM Reply   
Who said the left can't meme?
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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       Today, 5:14 AM Reply   
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Who said the left can't meme?
Everyone. What you leftists don’t have the bandwidth to recognize is that it has to at least have some ties or relation to truth to be funny. That’s why your memes suck. You’re an inherently dishonest people so your humor sucks as bad as you do.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       Today, 5:17 AM Reply   
Case in point.
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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       Today, 8:05 AM Reply   
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Why did Republicans strip out the insulin price cap from the reconciliation bill?
Because price controls NEVER actually control prices. It historically leads to scarcity.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       Today, 9:47 AM Reply   
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Because price controls NEVER actually control prices. It historically leads to scarcity.
Oh OK, don't ask for the government to lower gas prices then.

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