Does my ass look wide in this trailer?

I think its all about the width of boats at the water level...

Wide Base == wide wake, less vert wake, harder to build wake, harder to drive wake, and more expensive wake (gasoline).

I also think the rounded base of the X2 enables more boat roll from rider pull.

2006 SAN



2006 MC X2



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Dual exhaust and tower speakers, go MC!

I agree 1000% Dane.... I just don't know why boat manufacturers haven't been able to figure this one out yet! I just keep yelling "NOOOO!" as they release wider and wider-beam boats

"I also think the rounded base of the X2 enables more boat roll from rider pull."

It's actually just the opposite. The little center hump on the 210 is why it is so critical where everyone sits in the boat. You have small balance point. In the X-2/X-Star you can basically sit people wherever you want and the wake still looks ok. And, IMO, the 210 rolls over far more than an X-2/X-Star ever would, especially weighted.

GD don't they both have clamshell seats? haha I will forever remember how big of a deal you made about that.

I always like looking at the stern of boats at the waterline. I have a good idea of what features do what to a wake, but not 100% sure.

The wake of the boat pictures below can be pretty vert or more rampy depending on wakeplate setting.

For more discussion. Continue on!

Dane...the new VLX would defeat your theory on width.

I rode Dykmans yesterday. See my post on the main Wake Discuss page.

Discuss on!
205V (original X-star/X2/now X1) hull.

Wider beamed boats aren't necesarrily bad. Look at Supra's 24SSV. 102" beam but they use a stepped hull that makes the back of the boat only 95" inches or so. I've never heard any complaints about the wake behind this boat.

MC 205v and CC 210 seem to have a similar old school shape that make great wakes with weight but are very tempremental to bad weight placement.

I am really surprised at how similar the rear of the supra and malibu are. I am very interested in seeing what happens with this discussion

The X1 and SAN are nothing like eachother in terms of weight placement. My only complaint on a SAN is how easy it is to pull around and how sensitive they are to weight distribution.

Other than that, it's true: both old school, both basicall flat in the back, and both throw a kickin wake with relatively little ballast.

Any boat that is more efficient at making a wake will be more sensitive to weight balance and boat roll. If a smaller amount of weight kicks up a big wake, then a smaller amount of weight will mess up the wake.

In my experience, 1) weight BALANCE and 2) boat ROLL are two different issues.

BALANCE is simply weight positioning -- my BU is less sensitive than the SAN since it has a rampy wake.

ROLL is tracking from rider pull -- my BU is much more sensitive that the SAN since it has a more rounded and wider hull. My BU gets yanked all over VIC compared to the CC (same riders week after week)!

That's interesting Dane. Maybe I don't judge correctly but I think you can mostly judge ROLL by looking at the other side of the wake from the one that the rider is cutting towards. This seems to be worse on Supra's and SAN's than it does on Malibu's. It also matters how evenly weighted you are from front to back. When we load up the back of our WSLSV it definitely rolls but doesn't really at all when we have it evenly weighted with more bow weight.

Yeah...Dane are talking about tracking? Meaning your bu gets pulled off course easier?

Yes. Tracking. With the same riders and me driving the BU vs my friends CC, my BU gets turned off course much more than the CC. It adds a lot more stress to the driver. Its so nice to drive the CC since you hardly have to steer to keep the boat going straight. Meanwhile, my 2000 BU is like a 70s american car! ( its my boat, I can criticize it!) Perhaps the wake shape effect from rider pull is a different but related problem.

Good to see my boat making it into this thread. The Century Marine stickers look good, don't they?

http://www.centurymarine.com

Maybe it is how you weight your boat Dane. My 2002 Bu VLX does not seem to get pulled around. Maybe you have too much weight in the back.

I doubt it Rod. I weigh my boat evenly (450 in each rear, 500 in bow, 400 in center) and I know it when I have too much in the back (because the boat will porpoise).

Realize that I would have never been bothered by the tracking of my BU if I was not driving my friends CC on alternating weekends with the same riders. On VIC, the CC tracks with much less effort while it also turns around (for a rider pick up) like a pig compared to my BU.

Someone told me that for the CC's you need to turn left (passenger side) rather than the typical right (driver side) due to the prop's rotation? I have only driven a SAN a handful of times and couldnt really tell a difference on tighter turning one direction versus the other (probably wasnt paying attention either since it was usually in open water). Is it typically easier to turn one way versus the other depending on the rotation of the prop? Curious what you guys think about this?

at very slow speeds there is a difference in turning sharpness but at faster speeds it isn't very noticeable.

Hey Matt Winans,
On my CC Air Nautique, the one in the first post, the rudder has an adjustment so that you can make the boat go straight instead pulling one direction or the other. You can barely see it in the photo, it's the black part of the rudder on top. My boat doesn't pull any direction and tracks straight. I test drove 5 boats and went with the one I liked second best, I like the Sanger more, it was a hot rod!

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Sorry,I should have clarified; I was speaking about slow speed turns, I.E picking up rider and turning around after rider falls. I dont like the idea of circling the rider on the passenger side personally. I was curious what others have found regarding this claim a friend made.

It doesn't seem to matter on my boat.

You can beat this discussion into the ground or till you are blue in the face bottom line is i agree with Paul MC 205V Xstar X-2 X-1 whatever you want to call it today. Over 10 years of a proven hull 10 years of a proven motor. the best bang for your buck and your return
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I have a 96 malibu lx w/the wedge and 880lbs ballast. My roomate has an 01 Xstar with near 14-1500lbs ballast. Our wake sizes are compareable but my wake is MUCH wider and not quite as rampy.

What in the hull causes a great wake? All of the boats in these pictures make good wakes but seem to have different shapes.

another pic

'06 X-Star

man, that's one weird hull. i guess that explains how awesome the x-star wake is and also why it handles like a pig

I've never noticed this before, but the '06 X-star has nearly the same hull from the platform down as the 205v/old x-star.......look how narrow it gets under the water line....so that's how they created a bigger boat with the good wake.

yup, but it still takes a lot of weight to make it work.

I can't believe how high that X-star sits on the trailer. And 'no honey, you a$$ looks fine' (canned response)

anybody notice anything peculiar or different in this picture?


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or this one?

Other than the funky trailers in the first pic... What are you referring to? All of the boats are '06s and have the new style towers.

You've parked in the middle of the lane?

Yes, the boat on the left sits about a foot higher. and is that single exhaust on the correct craft?

the boat on the left look much wider than the boat on the right!

i am too new to the sport , but i can say my wake is wider the a 21v , but the wake is taller and more dense, and a lot of vert, so guys have been going big or shorting the rope 5' i think???

its not the trailer, and it is not the exhaust...it is something that is new to CC

Lemme guess...prop rotation?

looking at the pics mine seems really flat and wide, (102"beam) i think, and it looks like a lot of them don't have a wake plate??????? like i said i am trying to figure this out!! if you have any input in dialing in a 24V GG bags, it would help

bingo, the two 210s have left hand rotation props...kiss your goofy footed surf wakes goodbye!