Melan Scarecrow Mobius 720

My eyes could be deceiving me, but he looks pretty inverted on the front page...

i think that that is the baddest trick to date within our sport. hot damn. straight slyin that trick. that wake was huge too.

looks inverted, but hey, so do alot of o/a spins, glides, etc...his board never went end over end (hs over ts) as the definition of a roll states..see above...i agree with jason though ^^, def. one of the baddest tricks ever stuck...

thats sick i cant stop watching it. i dont think it will be long before he is throwing it the other direction and throwing it in comps. congrats soven

Ok - I've read the thoughts on this and it is an amazing feat for sure.

Sure as ****, claiming it as a 1080 would be reasonable to me. It's amazing enough that Soven can kind of tell *us* what it is.

To me it is a fairly inverted, ole + handle pass 1080. Extreme technicality and difficulty. If someone did a wrapped 1080 (obviously wrapped for just the first 360) would we not count it? I would.

This, if claimed as a 1080 which is kind of a matter of opinion at this point, but it is 20 times more credible and deserving of praise than any sort of kicker 1080. I watched this in slomo several times and I see that board rotating 3 times.

Amazing. Thanks for the video, and congratulations Phillip.

My verdict: it is a legit 1080 if he chose to call it one. If he wants to call it something else, fine. It's awesome either way.

(Message edited by juniorhawk on May 29, 2008)

Soven. u are the ••••••• man. land that ••••••• Texas!

that means he can do a whirly dick 9 because its the same rotation

as far as ole is concerned look at lyman and watson doing there ole spins. they dont even come close to going inverted. in fact they are almost spining flat. soven is deffinately going upside down in this trick.

The funny part is he'll probobly land a crow 9 tommorrow. ole' 12 or crow 9.

Trevor, I agree. I bet by summers end the ole'12 or crow 9 is possible. He lands it so clean.

I usually don't comment on how impressive tricks are because most of the time our own ego's will fuel the natural proggression of anything over time...... with that being said......
That was damn fun to watch! I wish wakeboarding was more spectator friendly, because people just don't realize the kind of athleticism it takes to pull this kind of stuff off.

Looked like 3 full spins to me. Incredible!

I would be really interested in knowing what boat it was and how much weight they were running (not trying to incite a boat war here). I still havnt had a chance to see the video but I've got a good idea of what it looks like and to stick this trick wake to wake would have to require perfect pop, spinning, flipping and a stellar wake to boot.

His boat is plenty weighted enough. Big weight and more power then I've felt in a long time. That said, the boat is on his parents lake at their dock, not where he room mates with Rathy.

phillip, is the video thats up the one thats lookin more like a ole 10?

yeah thats definitely not a crow 7, more like an ole 10 but whatever that sounds better and looks cooler.

congrats on the first wake to wake 1080 phil

^^ Thats funny! Like derek said all these weekend warriors telling one of the best riders out there that his trick is not what he said it was. He has been riding since before most people knew what wakeboarding was but I am sure he doesnt know what he is talking about. Way to clarify it for him Henry.

Sick. If that's not an invert, than you might as well throw out a crow as an invert. It's definitely sick for sure.

These threads are hilarious, almost just as good as the "which boat is better" threads.

I love how people dispute it. What happened to just saying, "damn what was sick!" Instead of well in my opinion it should be this or that. PFfttt...

Damn, that was sick!....but it's no mobe.

How's that?

Did any of you notice that those are 2 different clips of the trick!!! The slow-mo one is not the same one as the regular speed one.

Look at the end. In the regular speed one he raises his hand in the slow-mo one he doesn't

J Jakober - i noticed that too...the kid is simply killing it

Can't believe the height he got!
Unreal...

Aloha Joe

What gets me is how perfect it was. How many of you have landed a trick for the first few times and it's perfect like that? Not me!

Insane.

thats why he's riding for a living and we're all sittin here at work watching him ride...

hmm...to me it looks nothing like a toe side ole spin. It is a little out the back, but so are most crow mobes.

dont you kind of have to throw it out the back in order to grab it? thats what i always thought.

jr thats how I do mine.

if its not a crow 7 then how many people are truely doing crow 5s? That looks reminiscent of some crow 5s Ive seen with a lil extra sauce. I say sweet crow 7... look how everyone does scarecrows these days, the spin and flip get blended together and it looks like an overhead rotation and you come back down switch... a crow to me doesnt look like a true frontroll 180 from alot of ppl. Anyone here arguing the semantics of this crow 7, if you can do a basic crow and dont do a perfect frontroll 180 then I say you can't do a crow

ps henry, when you riding next, I saw you guys out there tonight but I had a long week (even tho it was 4 days haha)

(Message edited by wakebordr11 on May 30, 2008)

that's an insane trick, but the first thing i thought was, "that's o/a 10, not a mobe". for instance, look at matt sims 009:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmhJ3PYAMR0

looks very similar, no?

but still a ridiculous trick. soven is an amazing rider.

Before this thread gets crushed with 1080 vs Crow comments...

Phillip, have you thought about a big worm 7? Congrats again.

anyone who says its not legit please do a better one and show us what it should look like.

seriously all you guys hating should can it unless you've got anything better....and going off the last few pro events no one seems to be better, the trick is awesome, phil is insane and i smell a lot of jealousy

isn't a 1080 better than a crow 7?

personally I think it's a crow 10.

congrats soven.

Trevor, it's definantly not a crow 10. That would imply he did a frontroll WITH a full 1080.

Will- what is a big worm 7?

duane im sure we're riding sunday and throughout next week since its supposed to be nice, Im sure Ill see you at the Yacht Club so we can figure out if we wanna go riding on the supra or your boat or maybe even jimmys.

By the way I do think Phillip Soven got confused with the name of the trick he landed and in my opinion I was only doing him a favor telling him the correct name for it. Ive seen a couple of his falls on videos and it couldve messed with his head a little and made it so he started naming tricks differently. My supreme jealousy of Soven also made it so I wanted to fix the name of his trick... not just cause I was posting what I thought, just so its clear to everyone.

He landed BOTH tricks, the Ole 10(the first one) and the crowe 7(second and third one) behind Henshaw's loaded Malibu with the wedge up.

Matt - A big worm is an Ole crow mobe 5. It really looks like a toeside whirly (but the rotation is frontside). A Big worm 7 is an ole crow mobe 7 (no handlepass). Here's an attempt here...

http://www.wakepics.com/video/20798/kyle-alberts-big-worm-7-attempt

its a crow mobe 720... PERIOD!

Congrates phil!

^^ I guess the man has spoken and everyone has listened. Must take a seasoned vet to set everyone straight.

Ryan, and just think, it all started with the Tantrum you taught him.

I agree w/ Nick. Do it better and then tell us what its supposed to be called.

Congrats Phillip

could someone do us all a favor and put this vid on youtube so we can all watch it.. i have been sittin on this oil field location for 11 days.. and i have the slowest internet ever.. i would give anything to go out and ride right now.. i just cant because work is too important.. im dying to see a sick vid of a new trick and i can download you tube vids.. but no quick time.. someone help me please!! and post the link on the thread.. THNX!

that big worm 7 attemt is SICK ans so close!

it wasn't a crow 7, it was a skeezer 7. correct me if im wrong but isnt phillip goofy? that crow 7 was switch.

your right... skeezer 7

thats something that no one picked up because they were too busy fighting over a 1080 or a crow 7.

It's a 1080 if you count the flip as a rotation(like in snowboarding)...
ex: a tantrum to blind is a bs rodeo 540, moby dick is a bs rodeo 720...

If you think it this way, a crow mobe is 720, so a crow mobe 7 is 1080

I always laugh when they call a tantrum to blind a rodeo 5

Check this out, at the end of his run here Phil talks about the clips that have been posted.

http://videos.wakeboardingmag.com/members/viewVideo.php?video_id=1032&title=Phil_Soven_s_Win ning_Run

How ever wanted it on Youtube, this works pretty good for slow loaders.

http://videos.wakeboardingmag.com/members/viewVideo.php?video_id=1030&title=Phil_Soven_s_Cro w_7&vpkey=2699a5e718

Phil Talks about how the two tricks are not the same in the video, the slow mo trick is the 3rd one he landed, and the rego speed one is the 2nd one he landed.

I'm not trying to get in this battle, but I would like to clear up some of my confusion. I am under the impression, as said by kyle, that the closest thing to a rodeo (snowboarding) is a t2b. I will state I am totally against changing names so they match with other sports that don't involve a rope. With this understanding of a rodeo, why would "MAC" write a short post on alliancewake saying why not just call it a rodeo 10? First, why would he call someone out like that (if not why would it be a 10, a mobe would be a 7), and second if my understanding of the rodeo is correct, why would he even write that. Poor editorial choices IMO, why would you write that in the first place, and if it is incorrect, it's even dumber. Clear me up if necessary please.

cool trick, but not a crow 720. At what point does board go over head? not once.

sure is a bad OA 1080 tho! coolest trick yet for sure.

alrite, so this whole dispute over crow 7 vs. ole 10 is making me kinda angry, so I'm not gonna add to that.

I was just wondering if he could get a crow 9/ ole 12/ nelan crow ole 780 + another 180 if he hit it off a doubl up, I'm just now realizing that he did this without the assistance of a double up/triple up/nelan crow assister.

All I know is Soven is an insane rider, I remember before I got into wakeboarding I saw him riding on tv, he had a plain crow and a 5, and his youngest brother had a toeside one wake 180. Insane. Done. Resume your argument.

Brandon, go to the ww home page and look at the thumbnail clip of the trick. Head is down, ace is up... that means he is upside down!

his board does not flip edge over edge at all. so no front roll. it doesn't matter if his azz is higher than his head...

to most people, especially those in out "sister" sports and people unfamiliar with the sport alike, this amazing feat is best described as a 1080. if you want to see a crow mobe with a true invert, go watch some old jeremy kovak or dean lavelle videos. those guys stood straight up, did a true edge-over-edge front roll AND then started spinning...and for reference, go watch harf or smeeles 1080s and see if there azz gets above there head...

that's cool, but you said "At what point does board go over head?"

So I wanted to point out where that happened.

So are most scarecrows just ole 540s to you?

WHY CARE ABOUT WHAT OUR "SISTER" SPORTS THINK!!!!!!!

Wakeboarding is unique because it involves a rope, by which you flip and spin around, those sports do not. Thats why we have unique tricks, with unique names.

no, when i do a scarecrow i focus on rolling and grabbing first, and then i spin late..two distinct movements...and when i have tried ole 540's i drift way out the back, grab, look up, and spin with the top of my head pointing at the boat, not the sky.. kinda like how soven stomped his ole 10's...haha p.s. check the post from WS (sovens lil brother?), where he says that phil has landed both tricks...nuff said.

he also said that the video had two different shots, one of the Scarecrow and one that would be regarded as an Ole (1st and then 2nd shot)..... the first one is a Scarecrow rotation.

Everyone's scarecrow doesn't (and shouldn't) look the same.

He did it first, he can call it what ever he wants

PS: I was on the Pro Bull Riders(PBR) forum the other day and you should hear them bitching about snowboarders and their Rodeo Flips! Those snowboarders aren't even riding Bulls, how can they expect to do a true Rodeo Flip. I've seen them done by the PBR guys and they don't look anything like the ones the snowboarders are doing

This whole ole thing needs to be clarified.

The true scarecrow (Invented by Brannon Meek 95) isn't a front roll followed by a 180... It's a blend of the two.

A true 1080 is done with all handle passes or wrapped for that matter. This is why a whirly is not a tantrum mobe. It's also why a scarecrow isn't an ole 540. There's no handle pass.

A crow mobe has been done all sorts of ways. Mine was straight over the top while Chad Sharpes was way out the back. So is mine legit and Chads just doing an ole 7. NO! there both crow mobes.

If Soven kept that board below his waist, then I would consider it an ole.

What's on the video is a skeezer 7.