what a s--ty day to own a ford!

well she died while driving for the second time in 6 months today. and this time she wouldnt start again. dead in the water. im thinking injectors, it cranks all day just no vroom. well one more time i think its a lemon can anyone help me with lemon law rights and experiences. oh yah, for thoose that dont know my ride, 2005 ford f350 crew cab long bed with a 6.0 liter with 57k on it. man im starting to get pissed, but my family has been 100% ford since i can remember. my dad was pissed when i bought my first new truck when i was 18 and it was a toyota. but it made it 170k before it got totaled. i would probably drive somthing smaller and more efficient but i need the payload of my truck and the 8 ft bed sometimes is to small. and the worst is dealing with this "extended warranty" crap. im so over it!

someone needs to get a class action against ford. that 6.0 is junk for sure. everyone is having trouble.

How bout a Tundra . I can hook you up!!

let me guess egr valve

T, i have thought long and hard about one but just for a thought can a tundra hold 4 yards of base rock? or can it tow my vlx with 5 450's in the back? can it tow a 10k dump trailer loaded? i need to have power and pay load and the ability to "STOP" but i have thought about them and im open to your comments.

88, wont know till monday but i will let everyone know.

It will do some of that but honestly not all of it. It is the heaviest duty of anything in its class BUT it is in the 1/2 ton class. As far as braking goes, imo its brakes are far better than even the F350 w/ 14.5" front brake rotors and 4 piston calipers STANDARD. It has a larger bed than anything else out there so if you can fit 5 450's in yours, you can do it here too. Personally, I dont know how you do that. Hell, I had 4 in my Superduty and that was an f'ing tight fit. Here are some specs, double cab 4x4 long bed 5.7L:
GVWR 7200
Payload 2065
Max Towing 10500
GCWR 16000
Turning Radius 44'
381 hp
401 ft. lbs.

Have had great results with them. The only complaints I have had have been with the drivers side A/C vent not staying where you point it. There were a few that had issues with shifting, this was attributed to a faulty group of torque convertors and is 100% being covered by Toyota no questions asked.

Ford is giving employee pricing discounts to California firefighters and fire victims during the month of November. Trade it in. They should cut you some slack since you and the fam are loyal to them. Just a thought.

T, 3 to the front and 2 wedged in the midle facing back it works with an 8ft bed and the tail gate down but it sucks to load and your plastics get beat but who cares. with what your saying i could see myself owning one but there would be those times i need a bigger truck and im lucky 90% of my friends have 1 ton trucks it would just suck to have to call someone. my other problem is its hard to get off work, where i drive a 48 ft ladder/platform truck and try to drive anything smaller than what i have its just weird for me but. there is one other big factor, are we going to get a full size cab over next year or go with a smaller class c motor home. we havent decided yet but the size campers im looking at need a full 8 ft bed. but i could honestly be fine with a tundra and a mh. life is so hard, lol but my truck has me p.o.

i havent heard that yet tinyt, and my buddy at my department, his family owns north bay ford here in santa cruz, friend or not though i still have to do everything by the book and dont really get hooked. do have anymore info on this deal. but if i traded i dont think im willing to risk it with a 6.4 L

p.s. sick profile pic tiny, where do you work and is that you?

Glo plug relay?

you guys all think like i do, glo plugs, erg, im thinking more like injectors but hey at least my turbo didnt blow up. but do you guys think im within lemon potential, 3 times right. the only problem im going to have is last time she died and woundnt start had it towed in to check for a code and there was nothing and then it fired right up. wtf.

FOUND ON ROADSIDE DEAD. sorry bryan. hope you get things worked out. i would try to replace the clutch plate fender. works every time

Bryan,

Thats a pic from when I was on the Stanislaus Hotshots. I now work for a department in and/or around Tracy. Heres the link it was in my email today.

http://www.csfa.net/core/contentmanager/uploads/PDFs/Ford_Cali_%20A-plan_release.pdf

, "busting up lol" i thought it stands for "f--cked-up old rebuilt dodge"

wow. thats so great on fords part. hey my house just burnt to the crisp but i was thinking that a new ford would make things a lot better. what a joke

thanks tdubb, im thinking maybee i will price out a new truck and tell them to keep it. who knows it might be worth it. anyone know if there is any 07 6.0L left out there? is there a way to price it out online?

biggest tow rig in the county, he said he speacalizes in towing f350, hahaha.

man that sucks. darn F*#*ed Over Rebuilt Dodge. Lol sorry had to go there.

dam bryan. just get a semi. its just as long

i've got a 05 F-250 with the 6.0 and have had no big problems with it. my dads friend owns a ford dealership so we don't buy anything but fords. they were having problems with the EGR valves so he had me take mine in to get the EGR valve replaced before i did have a problem. i bought the 100k mile warranty with mine at it just hit 51k miles. last week it was in the shop for 2 days because the injector moduel had a short in it and was sending too much fuel into the motor. it never broke down but the check engine light just poped on so i took it in. i couldn't be happier with mine. all the manufactures have problems, its just some trucks have them and some don't.

It is rumored that toyota will be releasing a deisel version truck by 2010.

I read this in 4wheeler or 4wheeler off road mag last month! also all the half ton fords chevy dodge releaseing smaller diesels!

CUMMINS BABY!!!

disconnect your egr valve and weld up the up pipe and all your problems will be solved.
First On Race Day.

Do the 99 7.3L turbo diesels have an EGR valve aswell?

What's up Bryan. Bro I just got back from the Harris fire! We were down there for 7 days. 10 miles from Mexico. They had a Strike Team there from Tijuana. Crazy! We tried to Lemon Law our 2001 F350 Diesel. That thing was in the shop all the time. Our problem is that we bought it used from a dealer with only 20K miles. You can't lemon a used vehicle. The turbo went out 3 days after we bought it. It went Walnut Creek Ford, Brentwood Ford, and Cordirolli Ford a total of 14 times before we finally got a new motor put in at 26K miles. Although my neighbor had the same truck and had 200K on it with no problems. I think the guys were high when they built mine. Anyway we traded it for a GMC. I sold my B52 last month. One step closer to SC. Hey is that pic in front of Lee's house? Hey tiny that is a killer pic bro. You with Tracy City/Rural/CDF? Anyway, let me know when you are heading out. I kept my board,rope, and vest. It looks like I'll be in town next week to surf.
Late$

no the 7.3 is a bad ass motor. loud but good.

I am having the injectors replaced right now on my 99 350 with 255k due to it not starting in the mornings. I wouldn't think it's your injectors though. I had an 05 that had to have the egr replaced on and oddly enough it had around 50k on it. Good luck man. Even with all the problems I would still take my chances and buy a FORD, I just don't think the other two have enough truck to go with the motor. It would be great if you could combine all three...Ford body and chasis, Cummins motor, Allison Tranny...Now we've got a truck!

http://www.automedia.com/2006_Ford_F250_F350_Super_Duty_XLT_Crew_Cab_60L_Di esel_4WD/rts20051201sd/1

Don't worry Bryan, my lil beat up half ton 99 Silverado with 260000 miles can still launch the your BU

no the 7.3's don't have an egr valve. also the ford torqshift tranny can hold over 500hp stock. lets the allison do that. The cummins and duramax are great engines to im just the 6.0 isn't junk

english? do you speak it?

drink much today?

I know alot of people with the 6.0 v8 motor that have the same problems, usually the O2 sensor goes bad the the truck either wont fuel at all or will go into "limp" mode. Was wondering if your truck has the stock intake on it? Because a customer told me that the dealer said that the Mass airflow sensor will read too much air then will compensate by throwing more fuel but the motor/turbo will not completely burn it, but lets the fuel get back to the cat converter and the o2 sensors then ignites and the burns up the cat and or sensors over time. Also ford had/may still ahave the buy back program for owners of the 2004-2005 f250-350 6.0 owners and will give you good credit towrd the new fullsize diesel, but it still is a international motor. Hope all works out. Steve

chas, i hate you!

john what up bro glad to here your coming back home soon les get a surf just got back from costa rica was with lee for a few days down there.

steve or anyone for the matter have any info on this buy back program and how it works, would love a new truck but just not sure on the 6.4 and im hoping to get a price on monday for a new rig with the info t-dubb gave me, thanks bro. oh and steve, my truck is bone stock, not one mod.

88 and K, lol

devon, what?

i really need to start checking things before posting them. sorry guy this is what it was suppose to say. No the 7.3's don't have an egr valve. Also the ford torqshift tranny can hold over 500hp stock. lets see the allison do that. The cummins and duramax are great engines to i'm just saying the 6.0 isn't junk like most people say it is.

No, really the early 6.oh's are junk, and to prove it ford has bought back my friend bretts 04 superduty and is offering a buyback program. I also read somewhere that ford motor co itself has a suit against International, and that after the contractual agreement between the two, that ford will offer a new motor built by catapillar, and that the first model/editions will look much like the AMARILLO edition. i am sponsored by a diesel shop here in seattle area and they are in the know on alot of diesel issues. steve

Three different coworkers had their 6.0's lemoned. The torqueshift is a good transmission, but your crazy if you think its superior to the allison.

steve and devon

my head hurts

Your head is not junk! And no buy back program for that! much love, steve.

huh?

why does your head hurt? I was trying to be (unsuccessfully) funny. I am not trying to stir anything up, just hoping to add insight. Steve

steve what are the specifics on the buy back program, what makes your truck qualify for it? do they buy back the truck at blue book or purchae price? need more help here guys. are you forced into another truck or are you fuly refunded, my trucks paid for so...... thanks for all the help guys please keep the info rolling.

chew on this for nowhttp://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/02/navistar-slaps-with-ford-with-2-billion-lawsuit/ , am looking for hard facts on the buy back incentive. steve

And now this.http://www.automotivedigest.com/view_art.asp?articlesID=18736 This is kinda like what I was told from my source, i wonder if you would get less than proper trade in value on those particular years of 6.0's from anyother dealers since the problem seems to be inherant with that particular model/year combo. If so then I would think you would have a great debate at the dealer you purchased from, and could work your way into a new truck of your liking for next to nothing. Steve

(Message edited by bondo on November 04, 2007)

The Allison is marketing pure and simple. GM uses the Allison 1000, which is a light duty trans. Try putting a chip and exahust on a DMax and see what happens to that Allison. The Torqueshift is the better trans.

By the way, I didn't have any problems with either of my 6.0's. I just got rid of my 06. Just couldn't justify the truck anymore.

For Only Redneck Drivers

Shawn, Ive seen both tranny's disassmebled...i respectfully disagree. The Allison is the best tranny in the market right now. Bar none.

So what was the problem Bryan??

Crank no start usually means a bad High Pressure Oil Pump, which runs the injectors. If the truck sees improper HPOP pressure, it won't start. This will be under warranty and they will upgrade it as this was a known issue on some vehicles.

Sorry for your troubles either way. My 250 is running just fine.

just got off the phone with the service department and nothing yet should know something soon ill let you guys know.

the allison tranny is great with stock power, but once you start adding more than 85hp over stock you had might as well kiss it good bye. Once you add some aftermarket parts to the allison it's a great transmission. But in stock form the the torqshift can handle much more power than the allison

Go buy a New Tundra! You could pull a house off its foundation, then tow it down the grapevine and stop on a dime on the way down if you wanted!

Best trucks ever made! Just watch the comercials!

I just saw a commercial where you could tow a big box trailer across a train trestle with giant fans blowing on you and not get blown off the trestle. But truthfully, I would rather do that big seesaw thingy.

Biggest problem is that I had the frame off my truck the other day and it got chained across a post and a locomotive bent it in two. I guess I should have got a Titan because I always have the frame off my truck and it get's pulled across a post by a locomotive.

Bryan, you may want to suggest the HPOP to your service department in a gentle way. I am not saying that is it, but it sounds like it could be.

and the winner is FLUX, hpop, you guessed it brotha. nicely done.
should be a couple days

list of problems i have had,

hpop
main seal
steering stabilizer
front torsion bar, left side
belt tensioner
paint issue
and a couple more i cant remeber will have to chack my file at home.

i have had 3 rental cars in the past 2 years from this truck. this time it was on me because the extended warranty, so wtf. where do you end this. a 50k truck that gets worked on while i drive a rental. f that, and i know it will take a dump again and with my luck its going to just after the 75k warranty mark.

thats tough cause your gonna take a serious hit in the wallet either way. but the headgasket problem is 7k to fix. my buddy just went thru that. he had 100,000 mile waranty and he had 104,000.

Devon, around here...nobody keeps their diesel's stock..fords, or chevys...The Allison can handle plenty. Even most of the ford guys you talk to wish they could have it in their truck..

WOOO HOOO!!!! I am the lucky winner of the "guess the powerstroke issue that left you hanging game"

What do I win??? A blown turbo?? YES!!!!!! I will also take a gummed up EGR valve instead, I can clean that one up and keep it in the glove box in case I start chugging on the way home from the lake.

Seriously though, I feel ya on this one. Making payments on a truck like this hurts and I would be unhappy about the problems. However, I suspect that some of the little things are behind you. The HPOP is a somewhat common issue and there were bulletins on that issue. Bad bracket, they did an upgrade on them. No turbo issues, you are in decent shape with that then, sometimes folks go through several of those.

Hardest part is that you know how great the truck is when it's running right, makes it hard to want to walk away from it. I love my 06, it's so friggin nice to stomp the pedal and go like hell. I too fear getting it worked on out of warranty though, but you run that risk with any vehicle really.

One reason I am gonna hang on to my 06 is that it's the latest and greatest before all the crazy smog stuff that went in the 08's. I can't say if GM or Dodge has a better Diesel product, but I do know that a Powerstroke that runs well coupled with a Torqueshift tranny is about as good as it get's.

I'd say drive it another year while you still have warranty left and see how it acts. You may be getting through some of the bugs and it will be sweet in the long run. I will re-up my Ford warranty if I can at 60 months.

Chevy with the Allison, best Diesel Tuck based on my experience. I've had soooo many friends that went the Ford route, and their rigs were in the shop all the time. Dodges were better, but the Chevy rigs just run and run, no real issues. This is just my personal experience with diesel trucks in the construction industry, where trucks get used and abused, so take it for what it's worth...

FORDS ARE WORTHLESS

Wait except for the mustang that is

flux your right, frustration can get the better of me sometimes. luckily my truck is paid for. i love hearing that turbo kick in as i pass people on the way to the lake. i know your right every time i sit in my rig im so stoked when i hear that clack clack clack. its a great truck and it works hard for me. i just want her to last and not leave me hanging on the road some day.

can i purchase another extension on the warranty?

Good one flux! Man if i could get the ford f550 with a cummins and a built allision, I would probably own one. Steve

What is the HPOP?

high pressure oil pump. when it fails the motor cranks but wont start to protect it.

I think so Bryan. Talk to the dealer when you go in to pick it up with your new pump installed. I remember that they were offering me an extension to the warranty when I bought it. They offered a discount if I bought right away. once I pay mine down I most definitely will re-up the warranty if it's available.

The HPOP somehow delivers high pressure oil to the injectors and that in turn is used to blow fuel into the cylinders. I might be off here, but this is what i can remember on a post I read. There were a few years where the HPOP had a faulty bracket, so there was a TSB and a fix on them. I think the late model 06's got the updated HPOP and turbo.

T-Bag, how much would I have to pay for a new Tundra Crewmax Limited TRD 4x4?

I've got a 2006 F150 and I'm not too thrilled with it.

Joe, PM sent

to everyone that wants to know what a HPOP is, its's actually called a HEUI pump, short for Hydraulic Electronic Unit Injection. it provides high pressure (up to 5000 psi) hydraulic fluid (engine oil) to fire the injectors.
bryan don't be suprised when a new heui pump does not fix it, sounds to me it might be the IPR
(injection pressure regulator) and yes the 6.0 is junk!

man, I woulda guessed CPS on the crank-no-start issue, but I have the 7.3L. Luckily they're only $15 now.