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Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-29-2019, 3:31 AM Reply   
Mueller just destroyed the lefts & medias story & gave Barr props. Even confirmed, can't obstruct a crime that isn't prosecutable. HAHAHAHAAHAAA, stupid liberals
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       05-29-2019, 4:48 AM Reply   
Not so fast! Mueller Did Not reach a conclusion, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER on whether a crime was committed, it does Not exonerate him, now Trump will be impeached by congress. Notice Mueller did Not say "No collusion and No obstruction", buckle up, buttercups!
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-29-2019, 4:55 AM Reply   
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Not so fast! Mueller Did Not reach a conclusion, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER on whether a crime was committed, it does Not exonerate him, now Trump will be impeached by congress. Notice Mueller did Not say "No collusion and No obstruction", buckle up, buttercups!
"It would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge," he said. "That was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated."
"And from them, we concluded that we would, would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime," Mueller said. "That is the office's final position and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president."

Like Congress is going to find anything more. They don't have the votes for impeachment & Barr is just getting started on the hoaxsters. You're right, buckle up because like everything the left has said, it doesn't end like you're hoping. If it did, there wouldn't be a desperate need for their last hope, the tax returns. My money says Trump lets the left make a lot of noise then will make an ass out of them by releasing the returns on his own before the election & being able to say "see, they wasted nothing but time on a witch hunt".
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-29-2019, 5:41 AM Reply   
Impeachment (senate vote to remove) is a political calculation. Whether or not there is conduct that the investigator believes could be considered impeachable seems pretty settled (yes, Mueller thinks there is impeachable conduct). That doesnít mean that it makes a lot of sense ó politically ó to go forward.

So it may be true both that Trump engaged in impeachable conduct and that because actual impeachment is so unlikely that initiating the process doesnít make sense.

Based on what I know now, methinks Dems are better off focusing on winning in 2020 (and running some viable senate challengers) than bringing impeachment proceedings.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-29-2019, 6:44 AM Reply   
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Impeachment (senate vote to remove) is a political calculation. Whether or not there is conduct that the investigator believes could be considered impeachable seems pretty settled (yes, Mueller thinks there is impeachable conduct). That doesnít mean that it makes a lot of sense ó politically ó to go forward.

So it may be true both that Trump engaged in impeachable conduct and that because actual impeachment is so unlikely that initiating the process doesnít make sense.

Based on what I know now, methinks Dems are better off focusing on winning in 2020 (and running some viable senate challengers) than bringing impeachment proceedings.
What was the conduct that is impeachable? He talks out both sides of his mouth. Says they couldn't charge a sitting president, they couldn't find a crime & they couldn't reach a conclusion on obstruction. Errr what? Can't obstruct a crime that didn't happen. He then says he wanted most of the report kept private & was upset that Barr released more. Err what? Congress won't move forward on impeachment cause outside of the bluster, they have no case for it & not ounce more of info than what is in that report. They have nothing to move forward on but demands for taxes. You're right, they should focus on winning 2020 but they've already blown that.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-29-2019, 7:26 AM Reply   
Wombat, you keep asking, What was the conduct that was impeachable?" yet you refuse to even read the report. Thats why you keep asking. Thats why you are confused. Thats why you dont understand.
If the president asks the WH atty to fire the special council and WH council refuses and alerts others documenting the request. Then after the fact the president asks the WH atty to write a letter stating he did not ask him to fire the special council in an attempt to document a false claim. That is called obstruction of justice by attys, all of them. There are 9 additional obstruction crimes in Muellers report. You know, the one you keep doing a book report on w/o reading. In addition there is damning evidence of trumps conspiracy with Russians to get elected. It will be interesting when the evidence of business practices come to light, according to Steve Bannon, his business is money laundering. Mueller just shoved his report up Barrs behind. Learn to comprehend.
Just look at Justin Amash (R) Michigan Twitter feed. 1st (R) to read the report. @justinamash/twitter.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-29-2019, 7:39 AM Reply   
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Wombat, you keep asking, What was the conduct that was impeachable?" yet you refuse to even read the report. Thats why you keep asking. Thats why you are confused. Thats why you dont understand.
If the president asks the WH atty to fire the special council and WH council refuses and alerts others documenting the request. Then after the fact the president asks the WH atty to write a letter stating he did not ask him to fire the special council in an attempt to document a false claim. That is called obstruction of justice by attys, all of them. There are 9 additional obstruction crimes in Muellers report. You know, the one you keep doing a book report on w/o reading. In addition there is damning evidence of trumps conspiracy with Russians to get elected. It will be interesting when the evidence of business practices come to light, according to Steve Bannon, his business is money laundering. Mueller just shoved his report up Barrs behind. Learn to comprehend.
Just look at Justin Amash (R) Michigan Twitter feed. 1st (R) to read the report. @justinamash/twitter.
You don't get it. If he was guilty & doing those things it is obstruction. If it's an innocent man freaking out over the seriousness of the allegations, it isn't obstruction. If you were correct, he'd been brought up on it, not left on an open ended question & buck passed. Asking someone to say publicly the truth, is not a crime. Asking his counsel to fire Mueller (which is his right) is not a crime & thankfully for Trump, they advised him not to. This argument is moot, Trump isn't going anywhere, there is no validity to yours & the rest of the dems argument or this wouldn't be dragging on & on with nothing but bluster. Schiff would have put forth the "evidence" he keeps claiming to have, congress would be acting & there'd be no need for the rest of the crap they keep demanding so they find something, anything. If there is a case as you claim then why is the party not moving on it? Couldn't possibly be because it's just bluster & nothing more, now could it. Quit claming you read the report when it's clear as day your read the snippets from your facebook feed. Again, if what you say is correct then any day now it should be over & Trump will be gone. But you & I both know it isn't going to happen so this circle jerk will continue through 2020.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-29-2019, 8:13 AM Reply   
You are making chit up. State of mind does not allow you to commit crimes. Barr lied. If I shoot you because I thought you raped my girl and im crazy out of my mind upset, I am going to jail. Mueller said "If we had confidence the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so, however, We cannot say that".
He cannot be "brought up" on it because he is the pres who cannot be indicted. That is the lie Barr used when he released his 4 pager. OLC policy is what mueller was charged to work under. The grifter can fire anyone, agree thats not a crime, however, if you fire someone with corrupt intent, you ARE obstructing justice. This is dragging on because Barr and FOx got a 3.5 week PR stunt to change the narrative.
Show me where the report says No Collusion, No obstruction. You cant.
What the report says is that congress must take up on the obstruction charges. In the report, Mueller states that he could have found trump guilty of conspiracy if not for the fact witnesses lied, destroyed, emails, texts and other evidence plus the president refused to sit for an interview, refused to even answer written questions... in effect, they obstructed justice (the WH staff at trunps corrupt intent).
The party is has not moved towards impeachment inquiry due to politics. At this point the senate (McConnell) will refuse to act as jury for an impeachment. Plus they feel trump will use it as political ploy (Witch hunt, they are out to get me, wah, wah...) rally cry for the snowflake. Clintons approval numbers went up after impeachment. they know history.
I actually read 300+ pages of the report (so far), I get zero news from facebook, I dont use it. You seem to be getting your info not from the source as I have but from an uninformed or anti truth (FOX) Facebook...whatever. Make it easy on yourself and just read amash detailed, simple to understand breakdown from your own party. @justinamash.
McConnel owns the senate, thats the problem. I hope Amash can continue to make inroads, he'd make a great candidate for R once trump is in handcuffs. He is hard right but smart.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-29-2019, 8:36 AM Reply   
LOL! Creepy Joe Biden is by far the best the libs can produce and he leads in the polls. One of the huge problems is he can't help, but continue being creepy. Now he's doing it to 10 year old girls. Someone needs to pop him in the mouth. You libs are so screwed.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/joe-...170200859.html
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-29-2019, 10:00 AM Reply   
Creepy Joe? what are you 12? Did he do anything Creepy? Are you offended?
I dont understand how you set the bar for Dems at a hand on the shoulder yet its ok for trump to grab pussies, F porn stars and rape his wife. Idiots.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-29-2019, 10:29 AM Reply   
^^^Yes. Creepy Joe. That’s his new name. There are pics all over showing him with his hands all over women. It’s a known problem. I’m surprised you’re so uninformed.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-29-2019, 10:30 AM Reply   
The link I just posted is only the most recent happening.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-29-2019, 10:32 AM Reply   
And yes I am offended that he won’t keep his damn hands to himself whenever he’s around women. Pos needs a face full of fist.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-29-2019, 11:20 AM Reply   
But its ok for the president of the usa to bang porn stars, lie to 99% of Americans, Support the top 1%, Destroy the environment, weaponize and use the justice dept to attack his political rivals, refuse to cooperate with congress, obstruct justice, fellate putin, form an alliance with hostile foreign govts, support white supremacy, void his constitutional oath, Destroy American foreign policy, side with dictators, lash out at our law enforcement agencies, destroy our public schools, Divide the country, and on and on and on...
Yet you get offended by Biden with hands on the shoulders of a child.
Explain your decision making,
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-29-2019, 11:41 AM Reply   
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Can't obstruct a crime that didn't happen.
You keep stating this but it's 100% not true.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-29-2019, 11:47 AM Reply   
New republican ideals.
Using Emergency authority to sell $8.1 Billion in arms to Saudis is cool as long as you dont touch a 12 year olds shoulders.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...udi-arms-sales

Still your president.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-29-2019, 11:55 AM Reply   
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But its ok for the president of the usa to bang porn stars, lie to 99% of Americans, Support the top 1%, Destroy the environment, weaponize and use the justice dept to attack his political rivals, refuse to cooperate with congress, obstruct justice, fellate putin, form an alliance with hostile foreign govts, support white supremacy, void his constitutional oath, Destroy American foreign policy, side with dictators, lash out at our law enforcement agencies, destroy our public schools, Divide the country, and on and on and on...
Yet you get offended by Biden with hands on the shoulders of a child.
Explain your decision making,
I am ok with the banging porn stars thing. Not so much with sloppy joe touching old women and children. Maybe he should bang a porn star, stop the public touching.

As for the what if. i think Trump could / maybe could have/ or was thinking about someone who thought they could have/ wanted to or thought they have maybe wanted to talk to Russian girls online. I think he was "on the line" guilty guilty guilty, until proven innocent. I know its not a crime, but it could be if we all agree it is, we just need to all agree so it becomes real.

i know its not really real, but really real does not have to be real, as long as we agree it not what we want to here. I think Muller is a P@SSY grow a set and say he did it or not. Then press charges, lets have a hearing. LETS HAVE A PARTY. I will bring the red solo cups. you Bring the sharpie. We can right our names on them, pass out, (its going to last for 2 years, must have a pass out moment) Then I can draw a human tuxedo on you
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Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-29-2019, 12:07 PM Reply   
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But its ok for the president of the usa to bang porn stars, lie to 99% of Americans, Support the top 1%, Destroy the environment, weaponize and use the justice dept to attack his political rivals, refuse to cooperate with congress, obstruct justice, fellate putin, form an alliance with hostile foreign govts, support white supremacy, void his constitutional oath, Destroy American foreign policy, side with dictators, lash out at our law enforcement agencies, destroy our public schools, Divide the country, and on and on and on...
Yet you get offended by Biden with hands on the shoulders of a child.
Explain your decision making,
what's your therapist think of all of this?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-29-2019, 12:09 PM Reply   
Self portrait?
Do any of you have a functioning brain?
Clinton was correct, y'all are or act like a bunch of deplorable midnight Walmart shoppers. I gave you way too much credit, way too long.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-29-2019, 12:22 PM Reply   
yes, totally functioning brain total, just turned it back on from the weekend. Unfortunately not me in the picture. My buddy, extreme lib Tard, can't listen when we say enough is enough, kept on drinking, kept saying alcohol was not real. was able to drink as much as he wanted due to his magic red slippers. He clicks them 3 times and say "there not place like socialism" "theres no place like socialism" As you can see, didn't work. Maybe next time. i keep telling him "YOUR right, alcohol is not real, please have another" I just wish other colors showed up better, I would do a Rainbow theme next time
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-29-2019, 12:35 PM Reply   
oh, you know you like it, you love it, you want one for yourself. I promise no whiskers! You pick it, maybe we can do a San Fran scene. poop plies, needles, and a lot of tents, maybe a few winibego's, old ones, with flat tires. people washing their socks in the storm drains. Maybe a mural of a grown man taking a dump on the lawn in front of local elementary school. We can top it off with a picture of Obama driving by in his electric car giving all the junkies a thumbs up! What do you think? Too Much for your first one?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-29-2019, 6:26 PM Reply   
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But its ok for the president of the usa to bang porn stars, lie to 99% of Americans, Support the top 1%, Destroy the environment, weaponize and use the justice dept to attack his political rivals, refuse to cooperate with congress, obstruct justice, fellate putin, form an alliance with hostile foreign govts, support white supremacy, void his constitutional oath, Destroy American foreign policy, side with dictators, lash out at our law enforcement agencies, destroy our public schools, Divide the country, and on and on and on...
Yet you get offended by Biden with hands on the shoulders of a child.
Explain your decision making,
Blah blah blah. Donít you ever tire of your own BS? You forgot to mention he forgot to feed his puppy once as a child. Lol you are a friggin joke! Youíre also one of the people who clearly STILL canít understand how/why Trump won! This is like a dream that youíre still that stupid and donít even have primitive levels of cause and effect understanding. Thank you for your ignorance. In a defacto way, youíre part of the solution from a right wing perspective. Itís truly amazing watching libtard after libtard implode as they over-Rev their engines trying to pull out of the mud bogs of losing in 2016. The chronic outrage is priceless because theyíre too stupid to see their own paralysis that gets caused by it. Pretty much no one in this country can even state what the libtard platform is. What is there for anyone to show up and vote for besides hating Trump? If there ainít a cause, yíall ainít gettin any votes in 2020. Even a deplorable like me understands that. La-hoo-sa-herrrs!!!
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-30-2019, 3:19 AM Reply   
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You don't get it. If he was guilty & doing those things it is obstruction.
As Meuller said (yesterday live, and in the report), he's governed by DoJ regs which say sitting president cannot be charged with a crime, so they never considered criminal charges. That doesn't mean the conduct itself was not impeachable (but as noted in my prior post -- impeachment is a political calculation). Frankly ANY conduct is impeachable given the right set of partisan poisonous circumstances.

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Asking his counsel to fire Mueller (which is his right) is not a crime & thankfully for Trump, they advised him not to.
Some nuance here -- McGhan was NOT "his counsel." Rather the attorney for the office of the presidency. So, for instance, stuff Trump says to McGhan is NOT shielded by attorney client privilege. The "why" of the "fire Meuller" request is absolutely relevant to consideration of obstruction. If it were because he had pulled a Ben Carson at a Senate hearing, or had a stack of scandals like Scott Pruitt, or there was some other evidence of malfeasance, then sure, President would be absolutely in the clear for firing him. Or consider a different case where Mueller wasn't investigating Trump ... obviously not obstructing to fire him then. But where he WAS investigating Trump and Trump DID (according to evidence) want to fire him to slow down the investigation, well, that's evidence of obstruction. Not sure why that's hard to understand?

Again, sitting pres can't be charged with obstruction according to DoJ regs, but special counsel CAN investigate anyway (again according to DoJ regs), so that's what he did.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-30-2019, 4:35 AM Reply   
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As Meuller said (yesterday live, and in the report), he's governed by DoJ regs which say sitting president cannot be charged with a crime, so they never considered criminal charges. That doesn't mean the conduct itself was not impeachable (but as noted in my prior post -- impeachment is a political calculation). Frankly ANY conduct is impeachable given the right set of partisan poisonous circumstances.



Some nuance here -- McGhan was NOT "his counsel." Rather the attorney for the office of the presidency. So, for instance, stuff Trump says to McGhan is NOT shielded by attorney client privilege. The "why" of the "fire Meuller" request is absolutely relevant to consideration of obstruction. If it were because he had pulled a Ben Carson at a Senate hearing, or had a stack of scandals like Scott Pruitt, or there was some other evidence of malfeasance, then sure, President would be absolutely in the clear for firing him. Or consider a different case where Mueller wasn't investigating Trump ... obviously not obstructing to fire him then. But where he WAS investigating Trump and Trump DID (according to evidence) want to fire him to slow down the investigation, well, that's evidence of obstruction. Not sure why that's hard to understand?

Again, sitting pres can't be charged with obstruction according to DoJ regs, but special counsel CAN investigate anyway (again according to DoJ regs), so that's what he did.

It's actually really simple, they had nothing so they couldn't do anything. Now he says it's up to Congress, who also has nothing & won't do anything but kick their feet & scream for the cameras. Hence nothing will happen, Trump wins again in 2020. You can try & debate the nuances, the spin on the story from both sides but the bottom line is there is nothing there & nothing is going to happen to him & Pelosi has already blinked on impeachment so status quo remains.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-30-2019, 5:02 AM Reply   
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It's actually really simple, they had nothing so they couldn't do anything. Now he says it's up to Congress, who also has nothing & won't do anything but kick their feet & scream for the cameras. Hence nothing will happen, Trump wins again in 2020. You can try & debate the nuances, the spin on the story from both sides but the bottom line is there is nothing there & nothing is going to happen to him & Pelosi has already blinked on impeachment so status quo remains.
As far as "spin" goes, "has nothing" is clearly that. There's plenty of evidence of obstruction. Is it enough to persuade the Senate to remove the President from office? Ha, with the stuff this guy gets away with it's hard to conceive of ANY evidence which would get 20 Rs to vote for impeachment.

So we agree on the political realities, I think.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-30-2019, 5:34 AM Reply   
Love it. Make up a fake story from a foreign national funded by the democrats to get a FISA warrant which is illegal to be used against American citizens no less. Drum up a illegal investigation filled with life long democrats some of which were so biased that they were fired off the team. Said investigation can not prove collusion (which this whole thing was about) and now you guys are trying to say obstruction? The lead investigator can not actually say those After that, what is next? The banana republic games are getting real old.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-30-2019, 7:43 AM Reply   
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Love it. Make up a fake story from a foreign national funded by the democrats to get a FISA warrant which is illegal to be used against American citizens no less. Drum up a illegal investigation filled with life long democrats some of which were so biased that they were fired off the team. Said investigation can not prove collusion (which this whole thing was about) and now you guys are trying to say obstruction? The lead investigator can not actually say those After that, what is next? The banana republic games are getting real old.
Your version and reasoning above is inherently flawed.
There is no fake story. The Australian that Popadopolis met with was never part of anything demo funded. Manafort was not part of any dem funded research. Nor was Wikileaks.
The FBI has an obligation to "spy" on Russians (and anyone else) when they try to influence American Elections. Any problem with that fact? When the FBI, listening in on Russia and have Mike Flynn on the other end of the call, what should they do. What should they do when Flynn lies to them about it? The FISA warrants were signed in addition to Comey, by Rod Rosenstein, a life long republican whos history with R's goes back to the Starr Report when he worked side by side with Brett Kavanaugh. Republican Rosenstein is the one who opened the Russia Investigation and hired another lifelong Republican, Mueller too lead it. Page and stozk were dropped from muellers team the instant he got news of their texting frenzy. Page and Strozk were not fired for bias or the quality of their work while on the team. The 2 were two of the best and highest ranking FBI agents on counter intelligence specifically in Russia related matters. Again, their work is not questioned, it was the texting and ethics issue Mueller wanted to avoid in his investigation. Ken Starr is a Republican, like Rosenstein and Kavanaugh and a host of other conservatives used in that investigation should Clinton have an issue with that obviously political witch-hunt? Not a word of that. Its a trump thing to attack the investigator voting habits.
Next, the investigation was because Russia interfered in our election, not an investigation on trumps "Collusion". It was secondarily focused on trump as he became a target further into it. Remember when Comey said Trump is not a subject/target of investigation prior to his firing. Same week he said Clinton was a target. According to the mueller report (again, you clearly are not reading it) and Mueller rehashed this in his talk, the reason they could not come to a conclusion regarding conspiracy was...
Trump refused to be interviewed. He refused to answer written questions.
Trump motivated his staff to lie to special council, delete emails, texts...obstruct.
Again, look at the report, no one is "trying to say obstruction" There are 11 cases of obstruction in the report, that does not include any of the current attempts by the grifter to obstruct and delay all current congressional investigations. Over 1000 US persecutors say they would indict him.
A banana republic describes a politically unstable country. We are becoming that BECAUSE of the way trump is stonewalling all investigations of him. If there is nothing to hide...why all the obstruction? He knows the answer.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-30-2019, 9:00 AM Reply   
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Your version and reasoning above is inherently flawed.
There is no fake story. The Australian that Popadopolis met with was never part of anything demo funded. Manafort was not part of any dem funded research. Nor was Wikileaks.
The FBI has an obligation to "spy" on Russians (and anyone else) when they try to influence American Elections. Any problem with that fact? When the FBI, listening in on Russia and have Mike Flynn on the other end of the call, what should they do. What should they do when Flynn lies to them about it? The FISA warrants were signed in addition to Comey, by Rod Rosenstein, a life long republican whos history with R's goes back to the Starr Report when he worked side by side with Brett Kavanaugh. Republican Rosenstein is the one who opened the Russia Investigation and hired another lifelong Republican, Mueller too lead it. Page and stozk were dropped from muellers team the instant he got news of their texting frenzy. Page and Strozk were not fired for bias or the quality of their work while on the team. The 2 were two of the best and highest ranking FBI agents on counter intelligence specifically in Russia related matters. Again, their work is not questioned, it was the texting and ethics issue Mueller wanted to avoid in his investigation. Ken Starr is a Republican, like Rosenstein and Kavanaugh and a host of other conservatives used in that investigation should Clinton have an issue with that obviously political witch-hunt? Not a word of that. Its a trump thing to attack the investigator voting habits.
Next, the investigation was because Russia interfered in our election, not an investigation on trumps "Collusion". It was secondarily focused on trump as he became a target further into it. Remember when Comey said Trump is not a subject/target of investigation prior to his firing. Same week he said Clinton was a target. According to the mueller report (again, you clearly are not reading it) and Mueller rehashed this in his talk, the reason they could not come to a conclusion regarding conspiracy was...
Trump refused to be interviewed. He refused to answer written questions.
Trump motivated his staff to lie to special council, delete emails, texts...obstruct.
Again, look at the report, no one is "trying to say obstruction" There are 11 cases of obstruction in the report, that does not include any of the current attempts by the grifter to obstruct and delay all current congressional investigations. Over 1000 US persecutors say they would indict him.
A banana republic describes a politically unstable country. We are becoming that BECAUSE of the way trump is stonewalling all investigations of him. If there is nothing to hide...why all the obstruction? He knows the answer.
Don't care about Ken Starr. Are you saying that this is a political hit to get back at the Ken Starr investigation where Clinton was caught lying in a trial for which he was being sued for sexual harrasment. The trial where his lie helped beat some woman who was most likely correct about his behavior? Retribution for that? I thought you were a republican? Interesting all the things you go back to are democrat talking points going back decades. Is it that you were lying about being a republican? Hell you did not even vote and you are the one bitching the most.

Trump is still your president. Democrats don't have the balls to impeach. You are wasting your time.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-30-2019, 9:07 AM Reply   
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As far as "spin" goes, "has nothing" is clearly that. There's plenty of evidence of obstruction. Is it enough to persuade the Senate to remove the President from office? Ha, with the stuff this guy gets away with it's hard to conceive of ANY evidence which would get 20 Rs to vote for impeachment.

So we agree on the political realities, I think.
You can not obstruct when you are legally allowed to fire the person who is investigating. He could have fired Mueller and that would have been the end of every single bit of it from a criminal matter.

As it happens, Mueller investigated and found no collusion so the democrats are going to have a hard time making up that they investigated and found collusion to impeach Trump.

If Mueller was fired, Congress could have investigated and decide if there was a ground for impeachment with their own investigation.

Right now, the democrats are trying to make up the obstruction. Show me the man and I will find the crime.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-30-2019, 9:11 AM Reply   
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Your version and reasoning above is inherently flawed.
There is no fake story. The Australian that Popadopolis met with was never part of anything demo funded. Manafort was not part of any dem funded research. Nor was Wikileaks.
The FBI has an obligation to "spy" on Russians (and anyone else) when they try to influence American Elections. Any problem with that fact? When the FBI, listening in on Russia and have Mike Flynn on the other end of the call, what should they do. What should they do when Flynn lies to them about it? The FISA warrants were signed in addition to Comey, by Rod Rosenstein, a life long republican whos history with R's goes back to the Starr Report when he worked side by side with Brett Kavanaugh. Republican Rosenstein is the one who opened the Russia Investigation and hired another lifelong Republican, Mueller too lead it. Page and stozk were dropped from muellers team the instant he got news of their texting frenzy. Page and Strozk were not fired for bias or the quality of their work while on the team. The 2 were two of the best and highest ranking FBI agents on counter intelligence specifically in Russia related matters. Again, their work is not questioned, it was the texting and ethics issue Mueller wanted to avoid in his investigation. Ken Starr is a Republican, like Rosenstein and Kavanaugh and a host of other conservatives used in that investigation should Clinton have an issue with that obviously political witch-hunt? Not a word of that. Its a trump thing to attack the investigator voting habits.
Next, the investigation was because Russia interfered in our election, not an investigation on trumps "Collusion". It was secondarily focused on trump as he became a target further into it. Remember when Comey said Trump is not a subject/target of investigation prior to his firing. Same week he said Clinton was a target. According to the mueller report (again, you clearly are not reading it) and Mueller rehashed this in his talk, the reason they could not come to a conclusion regarding conspiracy was...
Trump refused to be interviewed. He refused to answer written questions.
Trump motivated his staff to lie to special council, delete emails, texts...obstruct.
Again, look at the report, no one is "trying to say obstruction" There are 11 cases of obstruction in the report, that does not include any of the current attempts by the grifter to obstruct and delay all current congressional investigations. Over 1000 US persecutors say they would indict him.
A banana republic describes a politically unstable country. We are becoming that BECAUSE of the way trump is stonewalling all investigations of him. If there is nothing to hide...why all the obstruction? He knows the answer.
On the Banana Republic. The democrats are causing it. Show me a democrat area that is not high in murder rate, homelessness, pro communism, illegals, taking your rights away and so on. The only legislative action to note is giving you the ability to play womens volleyball. They do nothing constructive for the average American citizen.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-30-2019, 9:36 AM Reply   
Cool we agree, I dont care about Starr either. No, I am saying that there is nothing political now and nothing political regarding Starr, its just the way the system works. One cannot choose his investigator, judge or anything else based on who they vote for. Last time you got a ticket did you ask the cop about their political interest? This is only a trump conspiracy theory. Do you believe all investigations should be distributed to LEO's based on political leanings? At what level do you begin this? City? County? State? or is this just a federal mandate?
I dont think its a "Balls" issue. I believe the reason Dems are hedging on Impeachment is entirely political. Congress, as made clear yesterday by Mueller, is the only authority with power to remove a pres for abuse of power. Whether you or I believe crimes have been committed is irrelevant. The bar for impeachment is lower than a criminal trial, it does not require a crime to have been committed. Dems are afraid the other side will use it politically against them, they recall Clintons #s went up after the GOP impeached him. Some feel its their obligation even if the senate will not follow thru, Pelosi wants to play the long game and win in 2020.
The Russia investigation was instigated by Republican Dep Atty General and lead by a life long Republican.

The Democrats are trying to keep from becoming a banana republic thru oversight and investigation as is their job. Stonewalling an investigation and obstructing is what criminals do. Democrats in the house send bills to the senate every week, Mitch McConnel refuses to hear any, he has closed up shop. He has refused to hear or further even bipartisan efforts to stop future attacks on our elections specifically from Russia. Why? How is that helping the average American citizen.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-30-2019, 9:52 AM Reply   
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You can not obstruct when you are legally allowed to fire the person who is investigating. He could have fired Mueller and that would have been the end of every single bit of it from a criminal matter.

As it happens, Mueller investigated and found no collusion so the democrats are going to have a hard time making up that they investigated and found collusion to impeach Trump.

If Mueller was fired, Congress could have investigated and decide if there was a ground for impeachment with their own investigation.

Right now, the democrats are trying to make up the obstruction. Show me the man and I will find the crime.
Sometimes I have to repeat myself half a dozen times for you geniuses. We all agree a president can fire special council. ok?
A president CANNOT fire special council with corrupt intent. Mueller shows trumps intent as corrupt. Asking McGahn to write a letter to document that he did not ask WH council to fire mueller is corrupt intent and obstruction. I cant make it any simpler for you.
There is no need for a crime to have occurred for a party to impeach a pres. They can impeach simply because of ethics violations yet no crime, it is not a court of law.
There is no need for Dems to "make up" obstruction, Mueller cites 11 different crimes of obstruction. Please quit making chit up.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-30-2019, 9:54 AM Reply   
President Snowflake, dont wanna hurt the little guys feelings.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...s-john-mccain/
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       05-30-2019, 10:23 AM Reply   
Top 1% wealthiest increased to nearly 32% in 2018 from 23% in 1989
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...article_inline
Trump did Not have to give the top 1% a tax cut! The top 1% were doing fine And prospering under Clinton, Bush, and Obama! Top 10% is doing fine also, it's the middle and upper middle class that is getting crushed! The middle class was also getting crushed with Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-30-2019, 11:27 AM Reply   
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Show me a democrat area that is not high in murder rate, homelessness, pro communism, illegals, taking your rights away and so on.
Those aren't really attributes of a banana republic tho?
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-30-2019, 11:52 AM Reply   
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. There's plenty of evidence of obstruction.
So we agree on the political realities, I think.
No there isn't & that there is the issue. Same with Clinton, "intent". Was he illegally trying to subvert an investigation? Or was the guy was freaking out that his life was being turned up side on bull**** he knew he wasn't guilty of & was trying to work every angle he could think of while walking a tight rope. If it was as black & white as you say, that evidence is plenty for congress to act today. And they're not. Anyone not hyper partisan on the issue can see that there is a case to be made that it was obstruction, there is a case to be made he was acting fully with-in his rights & that's why nothing but media & democrat bluster will happen & no ones mind will be changed & we'll keep calling each other stupid cause our view is superior. Mine is though.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-30-2019, 12:08 PM Reply   
Just because you keep saying it does not make it true.
Because you are in panic mode does not give you any more right to break the law. Its patently false. Perhaps you can provide legal evidence? or just keep making chit up.
Over 1000 prosecutors disagree with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY1-Q1FT3h0
Not even God can help you out of this lie.
https://faithinthenews.com/4-situations-ok-break-rules/
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       05-30-2019, 1:35 PM Reply   
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Just because you keep saying it does not make it true.
Because you are in panic mode does not give you any more right to break the law. Its patently false. Perhaps you can provide legal evidence? or just keep making chit up.
Over 1000 prosecutors disagree with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY1-Q1FT3h0
Not even God can help you out of this lie.
https://faithinthenews.com/4-situations-ok-break-rules/
The lack of any arrest, impeachment or criminal referral says otherwise
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-30-2019, 3:54 PM Reply   
Trump sure does pick nice friends
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...osun-Ilbo.html
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 6:11 AM Reply   
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Cool we agree, I dont care about Starr either. No, I am saying that there is nothing political now and nothing political regarding Starr, its just the way the system works. One cannot choose his investigator, judge or anything else based on who they vote for. Last time you got a ticket did you ask the cop about their political interest? This is only a trump conspiracy theory. Do you believe all investigations should be distributed to LEO's based on political leanings? At what level do you begin this? City? County? State? or is this just a federal mandate?
I dont think its a "Balls" issue. I believe the reason Dems are hedging on Impeachment is entirely political. Congress, as made clear yesterday by Mueller, is the only authority with power to remove a pres for abuse of power. Whether you or I believe crimes have been committed is irrelevant. The bar for impeachment is lower than a criminal trial, it does not require a crime to have been committed. Dems are afraid the other side will use it politically against them, they recall Clintons #s went up after the GOP impeached him. Some feel its their obligation even if the senate will not follow thru, Pelosi wants to play the long game and win in 2020.
The Russia investigation was instigated by Republican Dep Atty General and lead by a life long Republican.

The Democrats are trying to keep from becoming a banana republic thru oversight and investigation as is their job. Stonewalling an investigation and obstructing is what criminals do. Democrats in the house send bills to the senate every week, Mitch McConnel refuses to hear any, he has closed up shop. He has refused to hear or further even bipartisan efforts to stop future attacks on our elections specifically from Russia. Why? How is that helping the average American citizen.
Most famous case of a cop who was accused and in a poorly prosecuted case was the OJ trial where the police were accused of racial bias and at least one was sent to prison for it. No, when I am pulled over I don't care because the officer has power over me and my job is to be respectful and not give the officer a reason to make what ever it is a bigger deal.

So what you are saying is the democrats are playing politics. There is no there, there. Trump has done nothing. He legally could have fired every single investigator. Period. End of story. He did answer written requests. He was not going to let democrats try and trap him. It is all political games and you think it is real. That is why people like you are dangerous. You can not tell the difference between politics and real life.

Stonewall investigations by political hacks is what a polished politician does. The democrats were day one of the Mueller investigation calling for impeachment. You have democrats on record early in the investigation saying the only way they are going to beat Trump at the polls is to impeach him. If the democrats really believe a crime happened then they should impeach him. Problem is they know they don't have a case. Their previous words already tell the tail of bias and they know the public is not behind their political stunt. It will piss of Republicans to the highest levels. Right now the democrats painted their political A$$ in a corner. Don't go through with it, they are weak. They go through with it, it is seen as a political witch hunt (which it is).

As far as stopping future attacks that is a law enforcement issue. The Russians have been trying this for decades. Hell the democrats actually asked the Russians to help them defeat Reagan for christ sakes. The Chinese are influencing. The Mexicans are influencing. Why are the democrats for open borders if they are so concerned about influencing our elections? you seem to avoid that. 11 million plus voters in this country illegally is certainly enough to turn an election or 3.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 6:17 AM Reply   
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Sometimes I have to repeat myself half a dozen times for you geniuses. We all agree a president can fire special council. ok?
A president CANNOT fire special council with corrupt intent. Mueller shows trumps intent as corrupt. Asking McGahn to write a letter to document that he did not ask WH council to fire mueller is corrupt intent and obstruction. I cant make it any simpler for you.
There is no need for a crime to have occurred for a party to impeach a pres. They can impeach simply because of ethics violations yet no crime, it is not a court of law.
There is no need for Dems to "make up" obstruction, Mueller cites 11 different crimes of obstruction. Please quit making chit up.
Mueller did not show any intent. That is the label you democrats are attaching to it. How can you possibly find intent when the person has the ability at any time fire the person because that person is working at the leasure of the President. If the democrats were so into this, they could have created an investigation from the house that the president would not have had any hold over though he still would not have to cooperate with them per his constitutional rights.

I agree. The house can try and impeach a president any time they want. Let them try. They have to have their own investigation by law. The executive branch does not have to participate in that investigation by law.

Mueller did not show obstruction. He was not there to investigate obstruction by the president. He could not even legally consider it. It is your opinion that he showed obstruction. It is my opinion that he did not. 60% of Americans believe he did not.

Hell even the liberal New York Times has now said that their employees can not go on liberal talk shows anymore because they fell they have gone too far over the edge and is ruining the credibility of their own liberal rag.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 6:18 AM Reply   
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Those aren't really attributes of a banana republic tho?
More likely not. Just a good way for me to throw that in there.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 6:24 AM Reply   
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Funny way to make friend when he was calling Jong-Un names and telling him is red button actually worked......
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 6:43 AM Reply   
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Top 1% wealthiest increased to nearly 32% in 2018 from 23% in 1989
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...article_inline
Trump did Not have to give the top 1% a tax cut! The top 1% were doing fine And prospering under Clinton, Bush, and Obama! Top 10% is doing fine also, it's the middle and upper middle class that is getting crushed! The middle class was also getting crushed with Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
You realize those people make their money off of stocks right? That has nothing to do with income tax.

The middle class gets crushed through regulation that makes it near impossible for the middle and lower income even participate in the basic economy. Case in point. California. Bay area. You have to make $102,000 in order to not qualify for low income assistance. Of course, they tax the middle class to help the middle class to give them assistance. This is what happens when you pile in low income labor and make it easy for companies to ship jobs off shore and sell back to us cheap.

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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-31-2019, 7:43 AM Reply   
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So what you are saying is the democrats are playing politics. There is no there, there. Trump has done nothing. He legally could have fired every single investigator. Period. End of story. He did answer written requests. He was not going to let democrats try and trap him. It is all political games and you think it is real. That is why people like you are dangerous. You can not tell the difference between politics and real life.
Trump did nothing? You conveniently forget "corrupt intent". Trump asked McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused and threatened to quit. Afterwards trump asked McGahn to write a letter documenting that he (trump) did not ask McGhan to fire Mueller. That is illegal, a crime and a corrupt intent.

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Stonewall investigations by political hacks is what a polished politician does.
you are speaking of Nixon? right before the Supreme court voted 8/0 to require him to release his tapes? Trump will delay only, he will eventually lose based on this supreme court precedent. Dems obviously (based on muellers report and speech) have 11 counts of obstruction. That does not touch any of the other nefarious crimes he has committed on America.

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He did answer written requests.
He was asked about 40 questions, his answers were "I do not recall that event" its why Mueller said " The matters we investigated were of paramount importance. It was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the governmentís effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."

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As far as stopping future attacks that is a law enforcement issue
the grifter refuses to admit in public Russians helped him, he refuses to hear any talk of it in the WH because he is a snowflake and wont admit they put him in office. McConnel in the senate refuses week after week to approve any bill that deals with election cyber-security. We are being F-ed with and are doing nothing to stop them.

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Mueller did not show obstruction. He was not there to investigate obstruction by the president. He could not even legally consider it. It is your opinion that he showed obstruction. It is my opinion that he did not. 60% of Americans believe he did not.
You are out of your league, you are furthering a false narrative. Over 1000 US prosecutors disagree with you. You are talking and making statements about a report you have not read 2 pages of. Have you read it? Exactly.

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he Mexicans are influencing. Why are the democrats for open borders if they are so concerned about influencing our elections? you seem to avoid that. 11 million plus voters in this country illegally is certainly enough to turn an election or 3.
Another lie.11 million illegal alien VOTERS??? Trump tried this lie when he formed his election goon squad. Armed with Federal power they found ZIP and he disbanded them. Why disband them if they were finding all this dem illegal voters?

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You realize those people make their money off of stocks right? That has nothing to do with income tax
Read up. You have in the past stated you are probably not the wealthiest member here, that you are a worker, as am I.
You are defending a guy that is taking $$ out of you and your families pocket and transferring that wealth to the much, much more wealthy. You got a 1 or 2% break on your taxes, saved an extra $100 bucks. Billionaires got a 9% reduction saving them millions. Can you do the math? They did not reinvest in the economy, they bought back stock and got massive bonuses. The un-biased report is out. Trump, Kudlow, Miller, they all lied to the public. And you support the guys stealing from your family. https://www.forbes.com/sites/christi.../#72b5353458c1
Winning, but only if you shield your eyes, ears and turn off your brain.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 8:22 AM Reply   
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Trump did nothing? You conveniently forget "corrupt intent". Trump asked McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused and threatened to quit. Afterwards trump asked McGahn to write a letter documenting that he (trump) did not ask McGhan to fire Mueller. That is illegal, a crime and a corrupt intent.


you are speaking of Nixon? right before the Supreme court voted 8/0 to require him to release his tapes? Trump will delay only, he will eventually lose based on this supreme court precedent. Dems obviously (based on muellers report and speech) have 11 counts of obstruction. That does not touch any of the other nefarious crimes he has committed on America.



He was asked about 40 questions, his answers were "I do not recall that event" its why Mueller said " The matters we investigated were of paramount importance. It was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the governmentís effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."


the grifter refuses to admit in public Russians helped him, he refuses to hear any talk of it in the WH because he is a snowflake and wont admit they put him in office. McConnel in the senate refuses week after week to approve any bill that deals with election cyber-security. We are being F-ed with and are doing nothing to stop them.


You are out of your league, you are furthering a false narrative. Over 1000 US prosecutors disagree with you. You are talking and making statements about a report you have not read 2 pages of. Have you read it? Exactly.


Another lie.11 million illegal alien VOTERS??? Trump tried this lie when he formed his election goon squad. Armed with Federal power they found ZIP and he disbanded them. Why disband them if they were finding all this dem illegal voters?



Read up. You have in the past stated you are probably not the wealthiest member here, that you are a worker, as am I.
You are defending a guy that is taking $$ out of you and your families pocket and transferring that wealth to the much, much more wealthy. You got a 1 or 2% break on your taxes, saved an extra $100 bucks. Billionaires got a 9% reduction saving them millions. Can you do the math? They did not reinvest in the economy, they bought back stock and got massive bonuses. The un-biased report is out. Trump, Kudlow, Miller, they all lied to the public. And you support the guys stealing from your family. https://www.forbes.com/sites/christi.../#72b5353458c1
Winning, but only if you shield your eyes, ears and turn off your brain.
Not at all illegal to fire someone who you can legally fire. No matter how many ways you want to twist it, it is not illegal.

Not speaking of Nixon. Speaking of the corrupt and dangerous democrat party. At this point you are making stuff up.

I can not recall is a valid answer especially when dealing with an illegally started witch hunt that was started by a foreign national and the demcorat party.

In your (a typical democrat) a person using their constitutional rights is guilty because, well they are using their rights. Trump will not admit guilt so he must be guilty. 2 years of a full investigation could not come up with anything, but if we allow democrats like you to run around and dig through every single thing they can on the guy we certainly will get to the truth. Never mind that you and your American hating party are so biased and full of hate. If we give you the keys to our freedoms, you certainly will arrive at your truth.....errrrr, I mean the truth...

Did you vote in the election? You have zero to say in any of this. Any side can get political hacks to chime in and say one thing and the other side can get people to say the opposite. For someone who did not participate in the politics, you sure are screwing it up for the first time jumping in. Let the people who have done this take over for a while. Your leading from the rear is off point.

11 million illegal voters is not a lie. You let in 11 million illegals, they historically will have more than 2.1 kids per. Those kids turn into 11 million voters produced by 11 million illegals who all vote democrat so they can keep the border open. That is how california when from a Republican majority to a minus 3 million democrat majority state. Like it was posted, 20 some percent is Republican. That kind of change in demographic has never been seen in the history of the world outside a full on war. Oddly enough, it is an all out war. It is the democrats and their one world order against America.

As far as wealth and such. You most likely are better off than I am and ever was. I don't see the Republicans stealing from me. I see the democrats stealing from me. I, unlike you, already know that money is evil and will flow no matter what. Billionaires are not getting rich or richer off a little tax break. They are not making standard income they are making investment income and that is taxed completely different. You are trying to tell us they not investing but trying to tell me they are getting richer. Which is it? They are not getting rich from their money mattress. Unemployment is at a all time low. Never seen a man get a job from a poor man. Those jobs are magically appearing from somewhere and it certainly is not from me.

All the billionaires tend to live in the largest cities. Those cities are all demcrat. The billionaires are demcorat. 1 in a little over 11,000 people in San Fran are billionaires. The middle class is ran out of almost every major city controlled by democrats. So who do you really think is responsible? The Republicans? The democrats are responsible. They are the ones who keep making these environazi regulations forcing the poor to buy things they can not afford inorder to pass the regulations. If they don't they get fined and jailed and/or have their property seized. That is not the Republicans. That is the democrats. Who keeps voting to increase all the fees in the state? democrats. Who keeps letting in illegals that kill the middle class wages? Democrats. Who keeps passing low growth/ Pro green building regulations in the deomcrat cities in California? democrats. That forces the regular people to have to drive 2 hours one way for a job while they live in their ivory towers. Then they raise gas taxes on the workers in the name of their environazi dreams.

Trust me. Some tax cuts for people who don't matter is not keeping me from getting money. It is democrats constantly taking it that is keeping me from having money.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 8:31 AM Reply   
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Trump did nothing? You conveniently forget "corrupt intent". Trump asked McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused and threatened to quit. Afterwards trump asked McGahn to write a letter documenting that he (trump) did not ask McGhan to fire Mueller. That is illegal, a crime and a corrupt intent.


you are speaking of Nixon? right before the Supreme court voted 8/0 to require him to release his tapes? Trump will delay only, he will eventually lose based on this supreme court precedent. Dems obviously (based on muellers report and speech) have 11 counts of obstruction. That does not touch any of the other nefarious crimes he has committed on America.



He was asked about 40 questions, his answers were "I do not recall that event" its why Mueller said " The matters we investigated were of paramount importance. It was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the governmentís effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."


the grifter refuses to admit in public Russians helped him, he refuses to hear any talk of it in the WH because he is a snowflake and wont admit they put him in office. McConnel in the senate refuses week after week to approve any bill that deals with election cyber-security. We are being F-ed with and are doing nothing to stop them.


You are out of your league, you are furthering a false narrative. Over 1000 US prosecutors disagree with you. You are talking and making statements about a report you have not read 2 pages of. Have you read it? Exactly.


Another lie.11 million illegal alien VOTERS??? Trump tried this lie when he formed his election goon squad. Armed with Federal power they found ZIP and he disbanded them. Why disband them if they were finding all this dem illegal voters?



Read up. You have in the past stated you are probably not the wealthiest member here, that you are a worker, as am I.
You are defending a guy that is taking $$ out of you and your families pocket and transferring that wealth to the much, much more wealthy. You got a 1 or 2% break on your taxes, saved an extra $100 bucks. Billionaires got a 9% reduction saving them millions. Can you do the math? They did not reinvest in the economy, they bought back stock and got massive bonuses. The un-biased report is out. Trump, Kudlow, Miller, they all lied to the public. And you support the guys stealing from your family. https://www.forbes.com/sites/christi.../#72b5353458c1
Winning, but only if you shield your eyes, ears and turn off your brain.
Which party in California is taxing the middle class to pay for the healthcare of actual illegal aliens and is in the middle to passing legislation to make the middle class pay for them through age 26? Which party is forcing us to pay for teachers for the millions of illegals to be educated on the middle classes dime? Which party is making us pay for the thousands of illegals in our jails for violent crimes? Which party is increasing gas taxes? Which party voted for bridge tax increases? Which party voted for carbon taxes that pull 10 to 15 billion dollars a year out of Pg&e pockets only to be passed along to the middle class? and more than likely burned down a whole city because when you lose that kind of cash, it is hard to pay people to travel around the state to cut down trees in the middle of no where. Which party passed a law stating the state can not get power from fossile fuels in a few years?

Care to guess who did all these things and more?

Yep, a supposed tax cut nationally is taking money out of my pocket while all this is leaving my pocket full of cash.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-31-2019, 8:51 AM Reply   
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Not at all illegal to fire someone who you can legally fire. No matter how many ways you want to twist it, it is not illegal.
Prove me wrong liar. You have zero source , there is no Delta law school.

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Not speaking of Nixon. Speaking of the corrupt and dangerous democrat party. At this point you are making stuff up.
Here is mu unanimous verdict source. Who is lying and making chit up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Nixon

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I can not recall is a valid answer especially when dealing with an illegally started witch hunt that was started by a foreign national and the demcorat party.
Again, the investigation was initiated by life long Republican, Rod Rosenstein. F you are dense. Prove me wrong, you never have.

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Did you vote in the election?
Either did the Russians yet you encourage that.

11 Million illegals who have kids who vote.....Are Fing Americans.

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As far as wealth and such. You most likely are better off than I am and ever was. I don't see the Republicans stealing from me. I see the democrats stealing from me. I, unlike you, already know that money is evil and will flow no matter what. Billionaires are not getting rich or richer off a little tax break. They are not making standard income they are making investment income and that is taxed completely different. You are trying to tell us they not investing but trying to tell me they are getting richer. Which is it? They are not getting rich from their money mattress. Unemployment is at a all time low. Never seen a man get a job from a poor man. Those jobs are magically appearing from somewhere and it certainly is not from me
You are exactly who the repubs love, a willing idiot. Thank you sir, may I have another.
While dems are actually doing things to make you better off. Environmental, min wage, healthcare taxing the wealthy to benefit you....

You appear uneducated on Dem and Repub states, you like to pick San Fran as the hell hole created by dems. Do you even know anything about Red states?
Republican states lead in:
Taking more tax funds than they contribute per capita
Highest gun death rates
Overdose deaths, cancer incidence & mortality rates, obesity & diabetes
Highest teen birth rate, Maternal death rates & infant mortality
Lowest disposable income and economic mobility, lowest minimum wages (or none at all), lowest GDP per capita, lowest economic growth
Highest medical bankruptcy rates
Lowest math, reading and science scores
Lowest access to digital learning for students
Brain drain: college educated adults leaving their home states
LEAST LIKELY TO HAVE PAPER BALLOTS!
MOST unhappy/depressed states

Winning.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 9:18 AM Reply   
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Prove me wrong liar. You have zero source , there is no Delta law school.


Here is mu unanimous verdict source. Who is lying and making chit up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Nixon



Again, the investigation was initiated by life long Republican, Rod Rosenstein. F you are dense. Prove me wrong, you never have.


Either did the Russians yet you encourage that.

11 Million illegals who have kids who vote.....Are Fing Americans.



You are exactly who the repubs love, a willing idiot. Thank you sir, may I have another.
While dems are actually doing things to make you better off. Environmental, min wage, healthcare taxing the wealthy to benefit you....

You appear uneducated on Dem and Repub states, you like to pick San Fran as the hell hole created by dems. Do you even know anything about Red states?
Republican states lead in:
Taking more tax funds than they contribute per capita
Highest gun death rates
Overdose deaths, cancer incidence & mortality rates, obesity & diabetes
Highest teen birth rate, Maternal death rates & infant mortality
Lowest disposable income and economic mobility, lowest minimum wages (or none at all), lowest GDP per capita, lowest economic growth
Highest medical bankruptcy rates
Lowest math, reading and science scores
Lowest access to digital learning for students
Brain drain: college educated adults leaving their home states
LEAST LIKELY TO HAVE PAPER BALLOTS!
MOST unhappy/depressed states

Winning.
Prove you wrong? haha, 2 years and zero indictments is my proof. Where is yours?

The investigation what initiated by democat FBI Agents and a FBI director who was appointed by the democrats. Rosenstein was under pressure. At the end of the day, it turns out that democrats funded a report from a foreign national that was even said to unverified to get warrants to spy on Trump and his people. The only people who put their whole life into this are democrats like yourself and the idiots in the house who were saying to impeach Trump from the very day he was elected. I did not do that. You and the democrats did that.

Tomato, tomato....... They are citizens created by illegal means all to destroy America and support he democrat party. Call it how you like it, but that is exactly what it is.

Yet all those things you attribute to the Red States, they still have a better quality of life than California. All those things is your labels of how people feel about those things.

As far as demcorats working for me. They work against me and the middle class. 15 an hour minimum wage. Hell, I just bought a ToGo's sandwich and a soda and it was $17. If we want a pizze delivered it is $40. I did not get a raise to help pay for that. That is money that will leave my pocket if I continue to participate in that and that is money that is competing directly against me.

They are not taxing the rich for healthcare for illegals and I certainly don't get health care for it. I have kept a job my whole life to make sure I had healthcare in leu of chasing easy money. The rich make their money in stocks. They are not paying your healthcare. I am.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 9:20 AM Reply   
Funny how you like to say red states are uneducated but democrats literally survive by letting in millions of illegals that do not even know how to write their names. Democrats are hardly smart enough to trick those "ignorant" fly over state people into voting for them.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-31-2019, 10:03 AM Reply   
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Prove you wrong? haha, 2 years and zero indictments is my proof. Where is yours?
You sir are seriously undereducated, I made this point half a dozen times. 30 plus indictments. The Mueller Investigation is 100% free for the American public. In addition the entire investigation has been paid for, in fact the American public is up $ on the investigation. Paul Manafort, one of the guilty gave up his Trump Tower Condo to pay fines.. $46 million to the country.
https://www.inquisitr.com/5072986/mu...worth-million/

McCabe who was the FBI Director voted republican for 30 years, did not vote for trump or Clinton in 16. McCabe was acting director under trump after he fired Comey, Obamas appointment. Rosenstein with Sessions approval authorized the investigation any way you slice it. It just rips a huge hole in your conspiracy theory. You also like to forget the Republicans initiated the search on trump, dems paid the same people the republicans were paying for the same info.

The only opinion above is "Most unhappy/depressed states...the other 9 are straight facts.

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They are not taxing the rich for healthcare for illegals and I certainly don't get health care for it. I have kept a job my whole life to make sure I had healthcare in leu of chasing easy money. The rich make their money in stocks. They are not paying your healthcare. I am.
Yeah, trump stopped taxing the rich and canceled Obamacare and replaced it with...jack chit.
You should read an article used as a source or you look silly arguing...or research the topic. Here is another, maybe you should read it and understand how you are being made the pawn.
https://www.latimes.com/business/hil...529-story.html
I live on my investments, I understand how they are taxed, clearly you do not. Your taxes pay nothing for people like me, I dont even qualify for unemployment or disability payments. I 've never received a penny from the govt. even when I couldn't work from ACL surgery, broken bone surgeries... (all happened behind the boat)I sucked it up and soldiered on. I write a check for my healthcare every month, no one else. I am paying for yours.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 12:52 PM Reply   
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You sir are seriously undereducated, I made this point half a dozen times. 30 plus indictments. The Mueller Investigation is 100% free for the American public. In addition the entire investigation has been paid for, in fact the American public is up $ on the investigation. Paul Manafort, one of the guilty gave up his Trump Tower Condo to pay fines.. $46 million to the country.
https://www.inquisitr.com/5072986/mu...worth-million/

McCabe who was the FBI Director voted republican for 30 years, did not vote for trump or Clinton in 16. McCabe was acting director under trump after he fired Comey, Obamas appointment. Rosenstein with Sessions approval authorized the investigation any way you slice it. It just rips a huge hole in your conspiracy theory. You also like to forget the Republicans initiated the search on trump, dems paid the same people the republicans were paying for the same info.

The only opinion above is "Most unhappy/depressed states...the other 9 are straight facts.


Yeah, trump stopped taxing the rich and canceled Obamacare and replaced it with...jack chit.
You should read an article used as a source or you look silly arguing...or research the topic. Here is another, maybe you should read it and understand how you are being made the pawn.
https://www.latimes.com/business/hil...529-story.html
I live on my investments, I understand how they are taxed, clearly you do not. Your taxes pay nothing for people like me, I dont even qualify for unemployment or disability payments. I 've never received a penny from the govt. even when I couldn't work from ACL surgery, broken bone surgeries... (all happened behind the boat)I sucked it up and soldiered on. I write a check for my healthcare every month, no one else. I am paying for yours.
We are talking about Trump. Don't care about those other guy with the exception the only reason they were in trouble was due to an illegal investigation which should scare the hell out of people. You guys have been running around yelling Trump. You are talking in this very conversation about Trump. You have stated over and over Trump has done illegal stuff. This conversation is about Trump.

Your memo on the Republicans started the research has been debunked already. Not the same research.

The Russian investigation was carried out due to the call from the House democrats. Don't even try it. Everyone knows the only people who cared were democrats and a hand full of never Trumpers.

You are not paying for my healthcare bud. I have never been on government healthcare or unemployment.

Straight facts on peoples life? You put the label they are unhappy.

Can you produce a document that shows where Trump stopped taxing rich people? I would like to see it.

Can you really articulate what Obama Care did and what was discontinued? Certainly seems that you can still get insurance until age 26 and get mandated policies without getting kicked off. Looks like they stopped the poor people tax. Prices seem to have stopped rising like they did every year that Obama Care was in place. What are the negatives again?

I don't live off of investments. I am not the top 1% like you. You don't qualify for unemployment because you more than likely make too much or don't pay in. According to you, because I am a tax payer and you are rich, I am subsidising you through you cheating the poor people of this country by you not paying your fair share.

You apparently don't know how it works. What is it that rich people paying a little less is keeping me from getting mine? There is not a shortage of money. If I work more or create value, I will get paid. Other rich people or not. Either way that is a federal issue. In both cases I do not see that money rich people tax or not. I only make mine and every dollar taken out of my pocket is a dollar I do not get to spend. Every dollar in minimum wage increase is a dollar the businesses have to make up and charge me for the service.

State and local taxes me directly and gives it to non citizens and those who are unwilling to work. That number is in the Billions. You see the feds don't give direct benifits to the illegals like our state does. Or they give money to rich people such as yourself for evironazi schemes. Nothing like giving a few billion dollars to rich land owners for not developing there land (land that was illegal to develop anyway) off the backs of the working class. I am the one who has to pay double the gas rate compared to the rest of the country. I am the one who has to pay the price for democrats refusing to build housing in areas where they put their businesses.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       05-31-2019, 1:01 PM Reply   
Read your article. I would not expect a change in wage growth vs GDP. I would expect people to take dividens. What was supposed to happen was increase in companies moving in or not moving out. Overall unemployment to go lower and people re-entering the job market. That last part is the nasty little number. They like to hid unemployment based on people who stopped looking for work and move them of the unemployment numbers. All I know is the roads have never been so crowded in my entire life out here like they are now.

Your article tried a nice cheap trick to try and say bonuses were not meaningful and tried to average it out to all US workers. Nice try. Not all US workers get bonuses. $28 a worker is around 4.2 billion dollars in bonuses in the local economies.

Also another trick your article tried was again talking about corporate income taxes. The system was moved to payroll taxes in the 1950's to keep a steady flow of income. Income taxes can be offset by actual spending on upgrades or losses. I don't believe that is really a reliable marker.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-31-2019, 8:43 PM Reply   
I hope you are looking forward to more expensive guacamole, so much winning.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-01-2019, 5:40 AM Reply   
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You realize those people make their money off of stocks right? That has nothing to do with income tax.

The middle class gets crushed through regulation that makes it near impossible for the middle and lower income even participate in the basic economy. Case in point. California. Bay area. You have to make $102,000 in order to not qualify for low income assistance. Of course, they tax the middle class to help the middle class to give them assistance. This is what happens when you pile in low income labor and make it easy for companies to ship jobs off shore and sell back to us cheap.
At least we agree the middle class is getting crushed. The DOW reached an all time high in January of 2018, So, you are telling me the 1% has made No money since January of 2018? I don't believe that! And if they make their money off of stocks, since they didn't make any money last year, THEY DIDN'T NEED ANY TAX CUTS! 95sn, fill us in, how does the 1% make their money? I can guarantee you that their money in one way or the other originated from the middle class and the poor people!
Average salary in Cal is about 65k, so most people in California are on low income assistance? That just doesn't make any sense!

Nothing to do with income tax?
Trump has not released his tax returns, but one thing is for certain, if he is making money in the stock market, then he is paying a capital gains tax of 20% If you are in the 1% why would you put your money in stocks at this time? No doubt, back in 2009, stocks were the way to go, so yes, the rich did make a lot of money buying stocks, but not this or last year!
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-01-2019, 5:32 PM Reply   
Hey all you baby-murdering libtards, here's another story showing how awfully wrong Roe v Wade was/is. I'm beginning to believe the pendulum is swinging in the right direction now-relative to the hearts, minds and consciences of people in this country. I think it's so funny how the libtards want to lie, deceive, pander and proclaim how it's these white men wanting to control women's bodies when that's simply BS. It's clear they're up against the ropes. Let Trump get one more constitutionalist, non-activist judge in there and watch this country start to right the ship. Can't wait to see it happen.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/penn...r-common-sense
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-01-2019, 5:49 PM Reply   
^^^Speaking of which, Hey Wes, I'm still waiting for your reply to my question, back in May, about your little daughters on page 177 of this thread.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-03-2019, 1:48 AM Reply   
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Hey all you baby-murdering libtards, here's another story showing how awfully wrong Roe v Wade was/is. I'm beginning to believe the pendulum is swinging in the right direction now-relative to the hearts, minds and consciences of people in this country. I think it's so funny how the libtards want to lie, deceive, pander and proclaim how it's these white men wanting to control women's bodies when that's simply BS. It's clear they're up against the ropes. Let Trump get one more constitutionalist, non-activist judge in there and watch this country start to right the ship. Can't wait to see it happen.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/penn...r-common-sense
No, the ultra right-wingers (AL, GA, MS) are even moving right of Trump on abortion. They want abortion to be illegal, period, no exceptions. No way the SC (if they even make it that far) upholds any of these abortion bans.

And just more hypocrisy from you right-wingers (even though the governor of LA, a democrat, just signed a heartbeat bill). You cry and moan about the cost of the Mueller investigation (even though the govt. will likely see a profit from that investigation), yet you have no problem with spending money to defend these laws that will likely go nowhere.

I love how you goons feel that a raped woman that is impregnated should be forced to have the baby to satisfy some religious dogma. Or that jackasses like you and Delta "want to protect innocent babies", yet you have no problem when DHS cages children like animals at the border or when the military drops a bomb in civilian territory. Face it, you guys are pro-embryo or pro-fetus, you couldn't care less about being pro-life. It's kind of sickening.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-03-2019, 1:49 AM Reply   
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Mueller just destroyed the lefts & medias story & gave Barr props. Even confirmed, can't obstruct a crime that isn't prosecutable. HAHAHAHAAHAAA, stupid liberals
More made up $h!t by the village idiot.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-03-2019, 1:50 AM Reply   
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^^^Speaking of which, Hey Wes, I'm still waiting for your reply to my question, back in May, about your little daughters on page 177 of this thread.
I'm still waiting on your reply to my question that if your daughter is raped and knocked up by an illegal immigrant, should she be forced to have the baby?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-03-2019, 2:00 AM Reply   
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Not at all illegal to fire someone who you can legally fire. No matter how many ways you want to twist it, it is not illegal.
It's obvious you have no clue about US law. Rod Rosenstein (after Jeff Sessions recused himself) was the only person that had the authority to fire Robert Mueller. And they must be fired with cause, and Rosenstein publicly stated there was no misconduct that warranted Mueller's dismissal. Trump did not have the authority or legal standing to fire Mueller.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-03-2019, 4:18 AM Reply   
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I'm still waiting on your reply to my question that if your daughter is raped and knocked up by an illegal immigrant, should she be forced to have the baby?
...and Iím still waiting for you to leave the country like you promised after Trump became your president.

I didnít answer your rhetorical question because it was so ridiculous and was only asked because you wanted to be a D. It wasnít ever a genuine question.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-03-2019, 4:40 AM Reply   
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No, the ultra right-wingers (AL, GA, MS) are even moving right of Trump on abortion. They want abortion to be illegal, period, no exceptions. No way the SC (if they even make it that far) upholds any of these abortion bans.

And just more hypocrisy from you right-wingers (even though the governor of LA, a democrat, just signed a heartbeat bill). You cry and moan about the cost of the Mueller investigation (even though the govt. will likely see a profit from that investigation), yet you have no problem with spending money to defend these laws that will likely go nowhere.

I love how you goons feel that a raped woman that is impregnated should be forced to have the baby to satisfy some religious dogma. Or that jackasses like you and Delta "want to protect innocent babies", yet you have no problem when DHS cages children like animals at the border or when the military drops a bomb in civilian territory. Face it, you guys are pro-embryo or pro-fetus, you couldn't care less about being pro-life. It's kind of sickening.
Good. It should be illegal. It was bad law in the first place. The only reason it won was because the SC got stacked with libtard, activist judges.

How is it hypocritical to say a hoax investigation was a bad way to spend money??? Weíll see how far they go.

I love how you goons always go to rape and incest to try to make a point. It shows how weak your argument is. BTW, you donít even have to go to religion to know youíre killing a baby with abortion. Go to science to figure out when life begins, retard. You mean caging children exactly like Obama did? Why donít you ask those South American parents to stop subjecting their kids to what they KNOW is gonna happen? Furthermore, if itís so inhumane and you have a problem with it, why donít you lobby your libtard majority brethren in congress to change the law regarding illegal immigrantsí holding facilities and methods?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-03-2019, 8:08 AM Reply   
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Good. It should be illegal. It was bad law in the first place. The only reason it won was because the SC got stacked with libtard, activist judges.
Whats the consensus of the country?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...r-first-trime/
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gall...-abortion.aspx

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How is it hypocritical to say a hoax investigation was a bad way to spend money??? Weíll see how far they go.
A hoax investigation by definition would not have been able to file over 30 indictments and thru its process of justice produce guilty verdicts. Just one of those verdicts provided over $46Million in fines. More than enough to pay for the entire 2 year investigation. Wouldn't HOAX be a better definition of the 8 or 9 Clinton investigation involving Benghazi?

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I love how you goons always go to rape and incest to try to make a point. It shows how weak your argument is. BTW, you donít even have to go to religion to know youíre killing a baby with abortion. Go to science to figure out when life begins, retard. You mean caging children exactly like Obama did? Why donít you ask those South American parents to stop subjecting their kids to what they KNOW is gonna happen? Furthermore, if itís so inhumane and you have a problem with it, why donít you lobby your libtard majority brethren in congress to change the law regarding illegal immigrantsí holding facilities and methods?
I agree, the extreme of rape or incest is not strong reasoning. A women should always have the right to make her own decisions regarding her body.
So, related. John Hickenlooper when Gov of Colorado had a program that eliminated close to 60% of Colorado abortions. He passed legis that paid for IUD's for any female, high or low income..... IUDS are implanted in the female, it is non invasive minor surgery, it is temporary so that when it is the right time to conceive, it is completely reversible. This, in my opinion is a better more rational and more effective than any abortion banning in history. Thoughts?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-03-2019, 10:19 AM Reply   
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Whats the consensus of the country?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...r-first-trime/
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gall...-abortion.aspx



A hoax investigation by definition would not have been able to file over 30 indictments and thru its process of justice produce guilty verdicts. Just one of those verdicts provided over $46Million in fines. More than enough to pay for the entire 2 year investigation. Wouldn't HOAX be a better definition of the 8 or 9 Clinton investigation involving Benghazi?


I agree, the extreme of rape or incest is not strong reasoning. A women should always have the right to make her own decisions regarding her body.
So, related. John Hickenlooper when Gov of Colorado had a program that eliminated close to 60% of Colorado abortions. He passed legis that paid for IUD's for any female, high or low income..... IUDS are implanted in the female, it is non invasive minor surgery, it is temporary so that when it is the right time to conceive, it is completely reversible. This, in my opinion is a better more rational and more effective than any abortion banning in history. Thoughts?
Iíll respond to your last paragraph. First, I agree a woman should have control of her own body. Iíve never had a problem with that. My problem starts when anyone thinks they can cut up and suck into a garbage can the body of an unborn baby. Second, IUDís are a big swing and a miss. They donít prevent conception.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-03-2019, 10:42 AM Reply   
If all the republican are true bigots and racists. They should want abortions. As many low income, minority abortions as possible. Kinda contradicts the entire race hating thing. As for post birth abortions, thats crazy. Then I should have total right to kill me children until 18? No different. I also think there is no reason to kill something that someone else wants. Many are adopting children from other countries. why not here? Why not. I am willing to through my tax dollars at something good. Thats much better than my tax dollars at something bad. Also, more Americans by birth. less argument over the "need" for more immigration. At the rate we are going we will have 2million a year. crazy. est 1 million illegal this year.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-03-2019, 11:16 AM Reply   
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effective than any abortion banning in history. Thoughts?
Iíll respond to your last paragraph. First, I agree a woman should have control of her own body. Iíve never had a problem with that. My problem starts when anyone thinks they can cut up and suck into a garbage can the body of an unborn baby. Second, IUDís are a big swing and a miss. They donít prevent conception.
They are 99% effective. This is why its good to educate yourself on what is available.
https://www.news-medical.net/health/...dvantages.aspx

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If all the republican are true bigots and racists. They should want abortions. As many low income, minority abortions as possible. Kinda contradicts the entire race hating thing. As for post birth abortions, thats crazy. Then I should have total right to kill me children until 18? No different. I also think there is no reason to kill something that someone else wants. Many are adopting children from other countries. why not here? Why not. I am willing to through my tax dollars at something good. Thats much better than my tax dollars at something bad. Also, more Americans by birth. less argument over the "need" for more immigration. At the rate we are going we will have 2million a year. crazy. est 1 million illegal this year.
What type of woman would carry a baby for 4,5,6,7,8,9 months and then decide to abort? Is this the type of women you think would make a good mother?
No one says republicans are ALL racist bigots. It more that all racists and bigots are republicans. Way not the same.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-03-2019, 1:41 PM Reply   
What kind of government would allow a person to kill a child at birth? What kind of person would do that? Not saying that person should be a mother, but to make laws that no normal, caring person would make, looks a lot like politics.

maybe there should be a law that kills the women at the moment they decide to kill the live baby. Let the baby live and kill the women? What about that law? Give the baby a chance to have a loving family, a family that wants the child, and decide that women is no long worthy of life?

now thats legislation. Scary, but if we are allowing this extreme level, why not be the judge and jury? You want crazy laws? Not far from our laws now, you kill someone, you may lose your right to life?
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-03-2019, 1:54 PM Reply   
true racist and bigots don't care about Dem or Rep concepts. They hate to hate, for many wrong reasons. Blanketing a political opinion does not constitute bias towards any political positions. There are blacks who hate whites, whites who hate blacks, etc etc from all political spectrums. Pointing your finger toward "more" Republicans being racist is a way to carry your message. Nothing more, To top it off, you get to decide what a bigot is or a racially inflamed person is? You now decide? Please let us know what you believe the standards for "your" evaluation is. Maybe a spread sheet would be nice. Let us know what we need to score to "not" be a republican racist.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-03-2019, 3:28 PM Reply   
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true racist and bigots don't care about Dem or Rep concepts. They hate to hate, for many wrong reasons. Blanketing a political opinion does not constitute bias towards any political positions. There are blacks who hate whites, whites who hate blacks, etc etc from all political spectrums. Pointing your finger toward "more" Republicans being racist is a way to carry your message. Nothing more, To top it off, you get to decide what a bigot is or a racially inflamed person is? You now decide? Please let us know what you believe the standards for "your" evaluation is. Maybe a spread sheet would be nice. Let us know what we need to score to "not" be a republican racist.
Genius post. Libs never like to get nailed down to anything though. Kinda like how they all were for a border wall a few years ago until they figured out it hurt their MVP new voters: Illegals.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-04-2019, 2:22 AM Reply   
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They are 99% effective. This is why its good to educate yourself on what is available.
https://www.news-medical.net/health/...dvantages.aspx



What type of woman would carry a baby for 4,5,6,7,8,9 months and then decide to abort? Is this the type of women you think would make a good mother?
No one says republicans are ALL racist bigots. It more that all racists and bigots are republicans. Way not the same.
IUDís are an abortifacient. Me thinks you need to educate YOURSELF.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       06-04-2019, 2:36 AM Reply   
"In all these studies, the primary mode of IUD action appears to be interference with fertilization rather than with implantation. The studies thus show that the mechanism of action by which IUDs prevent pregnancy is contraceptive; IUDs are not abortifacients."
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-04-2019, 2:46 AM Reply   
^^^I’ve read that too, but there’s also conflicting info as well. Jury is still out for me.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-04-2019, 5:16 AM Reply   
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I hope you are looking forward to more expensive guacamole, so much winning.
Oh no. Most of the country has never even seen guacamole. Lived my first 30 to 35 years without even knowing what it is. I think I will be fine.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-04-2019, 5:21 AM Reply   
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At least we agree the middle class is getting crushed. The DOW reached an all time high in January of 2018, So, you are telling me the 1% has made No money since January of 2018? I don't believe that! And if they make their money off of stocks, since they didn't make any money last year, THEY DIDN'T NEED ANY TAX CUTS! 95sn, fill us in, how does the 1% make their money? I can guarantee you that their money in one way or the other originated from the middle class and the poor people!
Average salary in Cal is about 65k, so most people in California are on low income assistance? That just doesn't make any sense!

Nothing to do with income tax?
Trump has not released his tax returns, but one thing is for certain, if he is making money in the stock market, then he is paying a capital gains tax of 20% If you are in the 1% why would you put your money in stocks at this time? No doubt, back in 2009, stocks were the way to go, so yes, the rich did make a lot of money buying stocks, but not this or last year!
California is a big state, your average wage includes people who live out in the boonies and even your illegals who work in fast food or where ever. In the Bay areas if your family makes $102,000 a year, you qualify for low income.

Who said the 1% did not make money? What are you reading? You can still make money in a down stock market. Look at Buffet and company. You can also move your stock to safer investments. All of it is still not wage income which is what the discussion is about.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-04-2019, 5:28 AM Reply   
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No, the ultra right-wingers (AL, GA, MS) are even moving right of Trump on abortion. They want abortion to be illegal, period, no exceptions. No way the SC (if they even make it that far) upholds any of these abortion bans.

And just more hypocrisy from you right-wingers (even though the governor of LA, a democrat, just signed a heartbeat bill). You cry and moan about the cost of the Mueller investigation (even though the govt. will likely see a profit from that investigation), yet you have no problem with spending money to defend these laws that will likely go nowhere.

I love how you goons feel that a raped woman that is impregnated should be forced to have the baby to satisfy some religious dogma. Or that jackasses like you and Delta "want to protect innocent babies", yet you have no problem when DHS cages children like animals at the border or when the military drops a bomb in civilian territory. Face it, you guys are pro-embryo or pro-fetus, you couldn't care less about being pro-life. It's kind of sickening.
You certainly stretch, twist and project. Less than 1% is by rape. There certainly should be a police report with it if it is rape, so start there. Vast majority of your infacide is don't to keep blacks from breeding per the original intent of the policy. Even the Roe in Roe v Wade is against abortion. How does that sit with you. You don't care how many women are suffering due to the abortion lie told to them. You don't give on crap about them.

As far as kids in cages. Yep That is what happens when you try and break into a country. If you commit a crime, your kids will be taken to a caged building (the cop shop) and held until someone can get them or they are placed in foster homes. 1/3 of the kids coming across are not related tot eh people they are with. They are being human trafficed. How lovely. Try read up on monder sex traffic and slaver in the US.

Dropping bombs? Didn't you work for said organization that is more than likely to do that to people? Are you saying you are a baby murderer 2x or what is it you are saying?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-04-2019, 5:31 AM Reply   
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They are 99% effective. This is why its good to educate yourself on what is available.
https://www.news-medical.net/health/...dvantages.aspx



What type of woman would carry a baby for 4,5,6,7,8,9 months and then decide to abort? Is this the type of women you think would make a good mother?
No one says republicans are ALL racist bigots. It more that all racists and bigots are republicans. Way not the same.
Interesting. Every single Democrat platform begins with labeling someone by their race or if they take penis or not. I think you communists are way into projection.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-04-2019, 7:03 AM Reply   
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Genius post. Libs never like to get nailed down to anything though. Kinda like how they all were for a border wall a few years ago until they figured out it hurt their MVP new voters: Illegals.
Kinda like how conservatives are fiscally responsible until they get in office and then blow out the budget to a 1.2T deficit at the end of a 10 year fiscal expansion with a historically low interest rate. Then the buffoon in chief starts bringing in protectionist tariffs on 3 major trading partners. Sure doesn't sound like small government to me. Oh well, 23T in debt will be easier to service when the world economy enters recession and interest rates go back to zero I guess.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-04-2019, 7:33 AM Reply   
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What kind of government would allow a person to kill a child at birth? What kind of person would do that? Not saying that person should be a mother, but to make laws that no normal, caring person would make, looks a lot like politics.
Yeah, you are forcing that woman to be a mother.
Normal? wouldn't "normal" be the view of the entire country? What do the people say?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
I provided perhaps the most successful program eliminating abortion, isnt that what you want?
At what age did you start having sex?
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Good. It should be illegal. It was bad law in the first place. The only reason it won was because the SC got stacked with libtard, activist judges.
Who are these "activist judges" you site, and provide some of their vast "activist" pursuits. Sounds nutz.

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What kind of government would allow a person to kill a child at birth?
Where is this going on? Who is behind it? This is less likely than "abortions because of rape or incest". Mindless chatter to get fools riled up.
https://www.livestrong.com/article/1...term-abortion/
88% of abortions happen in the first 12 weeks, 1.5% after 21 weeks. They dont even have a statistic for anything near 36 weeks like you just posted.

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true racist and bigots don't care about Dem or Rep concepts. They hate to hate, for many wrong reasons. Blanketing a political opinion does not constitute bias towards any political positions. There are blacks who hate whites, whites who hate blacks, etc etc from all political spectrums. Pointing your finger toward "more" Republicans being racist is a way to carry your message. Nothing more, To top it off, you get to decide what a bigot is or a racially inflamed person is? You now decide? Please let us know what you believe the standards for "your" evaluation is. Maybe a spread sheet would be nice. Let us know what we need to score to "not" be a republican racist.
All I said was all republicans are not racist yet most racists are republicans. thats true and its not a coincidence, unless you can show something different, with facts please. White supremist vote R. David Duke is a R. Trump stokes them, "Good people on both sides" he cant afford to lose that precious vote as they shout Sieg Heil. Then there is Alabama, nuff said. Who is pushing for a citizenship question on the census? Who characterized Mexicans as rapists, murderers and drug smugglers? hmmm. Long ago the republicans were the party of freedom and equality for blacks, but that was a long, long time ago.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-04-2019, 8:21 AM Reply   
Next step after the party of racists is the party of election cheaters.
https://www.vox.com/2019/5/21/186294...d-trump-russia
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