210 vs. x 2

Looking at upgrading from my moomba outback direct drive. Deciding between a Nautique 210 and a Mastercraft x 2. Would love any and all input. Thanks!

Originally Posted by powercorps

Looking at upgrading from my moomba outback direct drive. Deciding between a Nautique 210 and a Mastercraft x 2. Would love any and all input. Thanks!

What years? a 2005 X2 is a lot different from the 2006-on model, as was the pre 2007 210 compared to the boat they sell now.

what is important to you in a boat? would sacrifice space for the wake or vice versa? Pre 2007 Nautique will have small space but probably the best wake money can buy.

ya that's pretty vague without a year in mind. Boats have changed a lot.

The X2 is a nice boat, but if you really care about Fat Sacks they only offer it with about 700lbs.

Luke what years are the boats. Also what engines in both.

Originally Posted by ToPHeR35

The X2 is a nice boat, but if you really care about Fat Sacks they only offer it with about 700lbs.

You can upgrade to the fly high kit though.

Originally Posted by jaybee

You can upgrade to the fly high kit though.

Assuming that most boat dealers have one in stock with the fly high kit. With the state of the current economy and gas prices, I'd bet on them ordering one from the factory with special upgrades like that which would take a few extra weeks of waiting .

Originally Posted by ToPHeR35

Assuming that most boat dealers have one in stock with the fly high kit. With the state of the current economy and gas prices, I'd bet on them ordering one from the factory with special upgrades like that which would take a few extra weeks of waiting .

True. I guess I was just assuming he was looking for used and you can almost always find a used one with the fly high kit as X-2's are almost useless without them. I know as I own a X2.

or you could buy a loaded a22 and probably get an overall better wakeboat at a much better price. i know he's not asking about the a22 but damn i'm drinking it's cool aid something fierce right now.

^ u think an a22 is an overall better wakeboat than a SAN 210?

I have been behind both. The 210 wake is more peaked and the X-2 wake is more ramped. As a heavier than normal rider, I tend to punch-through the wake and get more pop from the X-2. As a lot taller than most, the seating position of the X-2 fits well. I suggest you look at the local dealer and choose the strongest one. In my area, Action Watersports is the MC dealer and services me very well. I have an '08 X-2.

Both are great boats. Have fun with the selection process.

Originally Posted by migs

^ u think an a22 is an overall better wakeboat than a SAN 210?

Not a better wake than a pre 2007 but better than a 2008 and up yes. I currently ride a 2003 SAN 210 and love that wake, but wouldn't but any of the new CC or MC boats. Axis is getting my money for sure.

OP still has not clarified what years of either boat he is asking about....we def need this info otherwise this discussion is going to become a pointless boat bash.

Originally Posted by jaybee

True. I guess I was just assuming he was looking for used and you can almost always find a used one with the fly high kit as X-2's are almost useless without them. I know as I own a X2.

My current situation I got an 08 X2, but I just feel like the wake isnt big enough...The boat handles awesome and the sound it makes is a beast!

Originally Posted by ToPHeR35

My current situation I got an 08 X2, but I just feel like the wake isnt big enough...The boat handles awesome and the sound it makes is a beast!

Do you have the fly high kit? I have a 09 and run the fly high kit and a 350# in the walkway and there are much bigger wakes but I get no complaints. Also if you re-prop it correctly (Which I have yet to do) and run a 1100# bow sac and a few hundred extra through the walkway and rear you get a pretty impressive wake.

Originally Posted by jaybee

Do you have the fly high kit? I have a 09 and run the fly high kit and a 350# in the walkway and there are much bigger wakes but I get no complaints. Also if you re-prop it correctly (Which I have yet to do) and run a 1100# bow sac and a few hundred extra through the walkway and rear you get a pretty impressive wake.

Yea no hi fly kit for me, I didnt see any at the dealer, but we did get the 4 speaker stereo and underwater led light extras though.... I might ask them about it at the dealership when I take it in for the routine checkup next time.

Logan - come out on my 210 anytime u feel like hittin the delta.

These 2 boats are what I get to ride behind regularly. You are not going to choose a better wake between the two. Both are more than satisfactory and it will come down to personal preference and anyone who tells you one wake is better than the other is just speaking from their own prefereance. Other than that, boat features and price will probably be your two deciding factors.

its a 2010 X 2 versus a 2006 210

2010 x2 for sure then

A better comparison would be a 2008 and up 210 and a 2010 X2.

The pre-'07 SANTE 210 is a great boat. It is extremely small and cramped, though, by today's standards. It produces a very steep wake. It's like hitting a curb. Some people absolutely love it. I had a hard time getting used to it because there was very little transition. Due to the fact that the old 210 is a smaller boat, it requires a lot less ballast to increase the size of the wake. There is a cult following for that boat, and it will hold its value over time.

The X1/X2 (205v hull), produces a very nice wake. It has its limits, in terms of how big you can get the wake by adding weight before it turns to wash, but until the wake rolls over, it's one of the best shaped, most fun, wakes on the market. I had an '02 XStar (same hull), and loved it. A friend of mine has a fully restored 99 205v, and I still love riding behind that boat during the week. You can pull the rear hard tanks out of that boat, plumb in some 500lb bags in about 2 seconds, and by throwing a bow triangle in the front, the wake behind that boat is tons of fun. No, it won't get as big as an A22 wake, newer XStar wake, or newer 210 wake, but it's still awesome. I love the layout and size of the X1/X2 as well.

If you are talking about a newer, pickle fork, x2, then I don't have a ton of feedback on that boat. I've only ridden behind one a few times, and I wasn't that impressed. I thought the wake was wide, and didn't have as good of a shape as the 205v wake. Just my opinion.

If I were in the market to spend $35k on a wakeboat, I'd be looking for an ''04-05 X2 or an '03-05 SANTE 210 as well. If I had a little more to spend, like low 40's, I'd consider a used Axis A20 or A22. I'm sure there are some other nice boats in that price range too. Best of luck!

Absolutely an 06 210. Don't even ask more questions. If you want a blingy looking boat go for the newer x-2. Axis does not compare to the quality of a nautique. The wake may be nice, etc, but there's a reason they are so comparably cheap compared to a nautique. You could buy my 2005 210 for the best price you'll ever see. She's not as pretty as she used to be(interior), but she has a great personality.

My votes for the 06 210

I had an 05 x-2. Aside from nothing ever working I loved the wake. Compared to the 06 and older 210's the wake is wider, and literally takes more energy to ride. I would love if those two boats had a baby together. I've honestly not heard much of the pickle x-2, but nobody raves about it like the old 205v hull.

The older 210's are quality boats. They are very nice indeed. If I were you, I'd demo both and made a decision based on size of the boat and wake preference.

I forgot to mention, a friend of mine who has an o.g. 210 LOVES riding behind a22's.

Is wakeboard wake a main priority? If not then the X2 wins at pretty much everything else. Interior room, storage, surf wake, swivel racks, etc..... I would consider Quality pretty close to the same on both boats. If wake is then you need to decide if you want a more effiecient hull that throws a solid brick/curb wake or some thing that probably take more weight and has a rampy wake.

Why are you comparing a 2006 210 to a 2010 X2. They should be at least 10k difference in price. The X2 should probably be worth the 50k range and the 210 around 35 or 40k at the absolute most.

Damn, I missed the fact that he clarified it was a 2010 X2. I'd take the 210 over the '10 x2 if you're looking for the best wake. And yes, the '10 X2 is going to be tons more expensive - or at least it should be.

Personally, I'd go for the 210, but I just love that wake and I don't have but 5/6 people at max that i take out and ride. x2 should be a good bit more expensive too. but like every one else said, it depends on what you are looking for. awesome wake with less room, or not as good of a wake with more room and gadgets and whatnot.

210 all day, every day... no contest. I ride 2 boats consistently. my boat with a wide rampy wake, and my friends 03 210 that is narrow and very steep. we both sack out our boats and the wakes could not be more different. I love them both... did not like the x2 wake however.

like bret said, there should be a significant price difference between the 2.

If you are in the price range of the 2010 X2, then why not go for the post 07 210? Obliterates the X2 in every category and pretty close wake wise to the old 210 wake and much bigger & plush inside.

The X2 non 205v is a weak boat except space. Wake the 210 is better the drive the 210 is better. I almost bought one and went with an 02 xstar 205v. If I had to do it over I would probably look closer at the 210. I got a great deal on my x star. All things equal price and stuff on it 205v vs 210 pre 2008 I would probably go 210. Post 2008 or whenever the new 210 came out I would take the newer hull 210 allllllllllllllll daaaaaaaaaaaaay looooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg

Don't have a ton of experience with X2 but IMO the 210 is where you want to be here.

Wow I appriciate all the advice. It seems everybody likes the 210. I am choosing between the two because last summer I rode a friend's 2006 210 and loved it. (way way better than my moomba direct drive) I was looking for a 210 when I found a good deal on a 2010 X2. I am currently holding it with a deposite but it is refundable. I also noticed that people also seem to have a lot of respect for the A22 wake. At the price those Axis sell at do they hold up ok?

Mojo, I dont see much difference between the 06 and 05 210's. I'd be interested in seeing some pictures of your boat.

They haven't been out 5 years yet,so it's too early to tell for sure.I'm sure the experts will chime in though.

Still tough to compare quality and longevity when you bring Axis into the equation. Out of the box, they're pretty. Will they hold up like you KNOW a nautique will, time will tell.

Have you actually ridden in a newer 07+ 210? Do yourself a huge favor and go do that ASAP.

What is bad about the X2 wake? Some people say its wide but what are the other complaints about the wake?

its not great. thats the issue with the new x2 wake. Comparing the old X2 wake, the old 210 and the new 210 - the wakes are world class. The new x2 wake is far from it.

I can tell you that I owned 3 nautique 230's in a row, and then bought an Axis A22 last year. I just sold it and ordered a '12 for this year. While I only but around 100 hours on my '11 A22, we used it pretty hard, in the sense that we used it for what it was intended for - wakeboarding with a fair amount of extra ballast, and partying with a lot of people on the boat. I had absolutely zero problems with my A22, other than I had a seam pull on a piece of piping on a seat base where a ton of people stepped on it. I had a z5 on my boat, when means when getting in and out of the boat, people always stepped on the exact same spot on this particular seat base. Axis sent me a new seat base no questions asked. I probably just could have had a local vinyl guys tighten the stitch back up, but I didn't have to go that route.

As a whole, the Aww was every bit as tight the day I sold it as it was the day I bought it. The nautiques I owned were very high quality and reliable too; however, I did have a throttle positioning sensor go out on my '08 230, the zero off malfunctioned on my '09, the tower cracked on my '09 (due to freezing), and the interior piping tore on seat bases on all of my 230 jump seats. For the record, I also had vinyl tear on my '07 VLX and on my XStar and Prostar. ALL BOATS will have some problems. The thing I loved about the A22 is that the technology is essentially the same as what I had in my old XStar and VLX. No screens to fail, basic toggle switches, etc. If something breaks, it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg if you don't have a warranty. That being said, the older 210's are going to have fairly basic technology in them too, which should be easy to replace in the event that something fails.

At the end of the day, if I was having to choose between and older 210 and an A22, I would consider the following: the resale value on the 210 is going to be excellent - as that boat has already depreciated a ton and with new boat prices, probably will hold its value very well; the resale of the A22 will be good, but it will likely lose a bit of value over the next 5 years because it is a newer boat - however new boat prices will continue to keep the value fairly stable; the A22 is going to be much roomier inside; the fit and finish of the nautique will be better, but the interior of the A22 is still very nice; the A22 will be newer and oem parts will be readily available for years to come (replacement skins, etc.); the wakes are completely different - the 210 wake is super steep, while the A22 wake gets huge, but will have much more ramp and transition; with the new swim platform, the A22 will surf better; the 210 takes much less weight to produce a large wake; the A22 tower is super easy to fold, and allows the boat to fit in a standard garage; and which local dealers are easiest to work with/reliable/fair on price?

The older 210 is a hell of a boat. A lot of my friends have them. I'd rock one if I liked the wake and didn't need more room. The A22 just suits me better. Just demo both and see what you like better and can get a better deal on.

^^^^^ That

Can someone remind me what years the X2 was declared the Xstar? Or was that the X1??

The 20ft X2 was never the XStar. It was introduced in '06 I believe. The 205V 21 ft hull was designated as the XStar in 2000. It remained the XStar until 2003, when it became the X2. The new and current 22ft XStar was introduced in late '04. The 205v 21ft hull remained the X2 until '05. Tne 20ft pickel fork X2 was introduced in '06, and, at that time, the 205v 21ft hull became the X1.

My years may be slightly off, but I think that this was the progression.

chatt i think the 205V was the xstar in 98 or 99. I owned a 99 and an 01.

xstar was direct drive in 1998, ps205v and v drive xstar came out in 99

There are also a few 2003 22ft pickle fork xstars out there. I think the production run was very limited that year.

x2 chattwake.

If it were me and I was looking at a 2010 x2, I would go buy a new A20 or A22 for the same/similar price instead. so it would now be a older 210 vs new axis decision. the 210 will be less expensive, you know what it can do already and like the wake, and you will be able to resale it anytime for the same amount, or more than what you paid.

you know the 210, but go test drive and ride behind the X-2... my vote is still for the 210

This video is behind a 07 x2. Stock ballast, plus flyhigh upgrade, plus 8 people. Took 6 people in the bow to get on plane then most of them moved to the back. This is probably the biggest and cleanest i have ever been able to get this wake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmX69...mhR6M1PRjCYYw=

Off the top of my head the 2006 has throttle by wire, impeller style ballast pumps that drain under the boat, perfect pass multi line display, and a not as awesome tower or graphic. The hull, seating configuration is the same. PM me your e-mail address. I'm taking a break from cleaning the interior right now. It's actually looking pretty awesome. Also picked up two new deka deep cycle marine group 24's today.

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Guess I'll go the other way and say you can't really go wrong with the X2.
I have on 06 X2 and my only real complainst are that the wake is pretty wide to cross (but I suck at wakeboarding, so that could be a factor) and the nose is low, easy to take a roller when loaded down.
It won't handle like your DD boat, but neither will the 210, thought it may handle better than the X2.
If you found a good deal on the X2 you will have a decent ROI as they are very popular and retain their value pretty well.
The X2 may not have a "Pro" wake, but it's pretty good. I can get upside down way the he!! up off the water (now If I could land it??)
SOme people on here wouldn't take a MC if they were handed one for free because they're overpriced. I don't disagree with the prices being out of control, but they're in the same ballpark as the Nautique and 'Bu. Again if you got a deal then your boat will be worth what you paid for it for a while. FWIW, I bought my 06 2 years ago for $40k, pretty loaded with 50hrs on it and I've spent about $2k in parts on upgrades (amps, 2 more tower spkrs, heater,shower) and think I could easily sell it this spring for as much or more than I have into it.
Not to downplay the 210....awesome boat I'm certain, but the X2 is no slouch either. Good wakeboard boat, good surf boat, mediocore ski boat at best, but better than alot of v drives.