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Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       12-26-2018, 7:43 AM Reply   
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If you wait a little bit longer, you'll be able to buy Bitcoin for $0.
Bitcoin isn't going anywhere. Several other coins are here to stay as more & more financial institutions are implementing various crypto technologies. When Buffet dumps 400 mil into a crypto project, it verifies it isn't going anywhere.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       12-26-2018, 10:46 AM Reply   
Words of wisdom from Buffet in these times:

Buffett’s reflection amplified one of his most famous bits of investing advice: “Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful.”

So, hold on through thick and thin — and possibly even buy more stock at times when things look especially thin — and you’ll do just fine.
That’s something to remember as markets tumble — something that very well might continue throughout 2019.
As Buffett wrote last year, it’s always been a mistake to bet against America, and the future is likely to be brighter than the past:
You need not be an economist to understand how well our system has worked. Just look around you. See the 75 million owner-occupied homes, the bountiful farmland, the 260 million vehicles, the hyper-productive factories, the great medical centers, the talent-filled universities, you name it – they all represent a net gain for Americans from the barren lands, primitive structures and meager output of 1776.
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       12-27-2018, 7:36 AM Reply   
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Bitcoin isn't going anywhere. Several other coins are here to stay as more & more financial institutions are implementing various crypto technologies. When Buffet dumps 400 mil into a crypto project, it verifies it isn't going anywhere.
Technically, Berkshire Hathaway invested $600 million in fintech, which isn't Bitcoin, and that isn't that much money for them. I think they have $4 billion worth of Apple (probably isn't worth that right now after 4th quarter).

As long as the sec keeps rejecting Bitcoin ETF's, I don't think it has much future. If they approve one, I'll change my tune.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       12-27-2018, 3:25 PM Reply   
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Technically, Berkshire Hathaway invested $600 million in fintech, which isn't Bitcoin, and that isn't that much money for them. I think they have $4 billion worth of Apple (probably isn't worth that right now after 4th quarter).

As long as the sec keeps rejecting Bitcoin ETF's, I don't think it has much future. If they approve one, I'll change my tune.
I didn't mean by their funding it was directly related to Bitcoin. I'm not saying it's a wise investment, I'm not saying it's a bad investment. All I am saying is it isn't going anywhere. I don't think of crypto as currency, I think of it as technology & the key to understanding all of this is the block chain technology. As business moves info to the block chain, it is untamperable, they won't be able to cheat widgets or accounting "mistakes". There are a number of reasons why this is the future. Dollars will still be used in order to pay for getting on the block chain.

I am trying to learn more about normal investing & what to do with the money I sent to my Ally account, I am all ears if you wanna help a brother out with the traditional strategies.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       12-31-2018, 9:55 AM Reply   
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I am trying to learn more about normal investing & what to do with the money I sent to my Ally account, I am all ears if you wanna help a brother out with the traditional strategies.
agree blockchain tech is the only viable piece of the bitcoin debacle.

start by saving some cash and buying the S&P index WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. buy regularly to build as your core holding so market timing doesn't kill you. start researching individual stocks to get the hang of that part of it. after you've build a core holding, then add some individuals you know something about.
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       01-03-2019, 5:11 AM Reply   
Buffet's Apple purchase is looking pretty bad right now. Saw somewhere he was down $19 billion now on it.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       01-03-2019, 8:07 AM Reply   
Robinhood backs down on no fee checking accts with 3%

https://blog.robinhood.com/news/2018...m-our-founders
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-03-2019, 12:32 PM Reply   
I think buffet will be OK. FED will start loosening and cutting rates which will bounce the market, then dollar will weaken, inflation will hit and the market will crash. If he sells on the bounce he will do ok.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-03-2019, 12:42 PM Reply   
The other thing in buffets favor is apples problem is that sales in China of the iPhone (20% of turnover) is radically down. This is exclusively due to trumps (easy to win) trade war, if a truce is called at the end of the month then apple will bounce big time. It's bit of a gamble, I don't see why China would give trump an easy ride when he has so much pressure being applied on all sides, but maybe he has an inside word.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       01-03-2019, 3:45 PM Reply   
Apple's got more than one problem in China, there are several serious contenders that are just as good that cost 1/4 the new iphone does. Combine that with their cryptic earnings reporting people aren't sure what the hell is going on.
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       01-03-2019, 8:41 PM Reply   
Apple's innovation died with Steve Jobs. Tim cook sucks. They release new phones now with little to no improvement and raise the price. There is no growth left in first world countries, so the only thing left is China and other developing countries, which aren't going to be buying $1000 phones. The only thing keeping them going is their cult following. Most people I know that used to flip phones to upgrade to the newest release iphone no longer do it. A lot of people will argue that Samsung and other competitors make a better phone these days. The problem with high P/E growth stocks is once you grow to Apple's size, you can't sustain that kind of growth any longer to justify that high P/E.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       01-03-2019, 9:01 PM Reply   
High PE at 11?
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       01-04-2019, 5:03 AM Reply   
Stock just took a 40% nose dive. I was referring to earlier in the year when Buffett was buying and talking about how it was a good buy then. P/E was 20-21 then. Also, Apple just cut earnings for next quarter, which will drive P/E up once those numbers are official.

I do agree with Ralph that trade war is hurting them more than other companies and it will rally if we get a deal
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       01-04-2019, 5:46 AM Reply   
Still, in the tech sector a PE of 20 is not particularly high....? Is it?
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       01-04-2019, 11:56 AM Reply   
I'll give you it isn't that high for a tech stock. It's higher than the s&p. Instead of calling it a high P/E stock, I should have pointed out that it is a high momentum stock subject to larger moves than the s&p.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       01-04-2019, 12:19 PM Reply   
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Apple's innovation died with Steve Jobs. Tim cook sucks. They release new phones now with little to no improvement and raise the price. There is no growth left in first world countries, so the only thing left is China and other developing countries, which aren't going to be buying $1000 phones. The only thing keeping them going is their cult following. Most people I know that used to flip phones to upgrade to the newest release iphone no longer do it. A lot of people will argue that Samsung and other competitors make a better phone these days. The problem with high P/E growth stocks is once you grow to Apple's size, you can't sustain that kind of growth any longer to justify that high P/E.
lot of truth ^ here. AAPL trailing P/E is almost 19. agree, better phones out there these days.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-11-2019, 8:49 AM Reply   
I don't like to give financial advise, but you might consider taking some profit, especially in banking stocks, if this happens. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/11/ocas...ll-street.html
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-11-2019, 8:56 AM Reply   
advise {advice} I can't think this early!!!
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-11-2019, 9:10 AM Reply   
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I don't like to give financial advise, but you might consider taking some profit, especially in banking stocks, if this happens. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/11/ocas...ll-street.html
Between the Rothschild's & the jews, she'll be put in her place very quickly. She isn't the first one to think she can go up against the bankers & win.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-11-2019, 10:24 AM Reply   
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out for sure. Interestingly enough, the banks are in rally mode today, but keep an eye out for a possible big selloff in a few months as the big players may start to buy protection or even go short.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       01-30-2019, 2:16 PM Reply   
Dow hits 25,000 today. Dow up 430 pts with companies reporting profits and fed chair stepping back on rate increases for the year, more companies reporting positive quarters after the bell, stocks should continue to rise tomorrow on good earnings report, even Tesla made profits for 2 consecutive quarters. All this with tariffs and trade wars, I think the Dow will hit 27,000 this year.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-30-2019, 6:15 PM Reply   
I picked up another trust deed last week. $75K @9%, short term, 6 months. Its a flip property, buyer is my boss. Also dipped back into the stock market buying 2k shares of Blackstone (BK), super high dividend and selling options on it next week.
Facebook jumped today and after hours. Does anyone think google will do the same?
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       02-07-2019, 9:41 AM Reply   
Dow, down 300 pts. Buy?
Old     (stanfield)      Join Date: Mar 2004       02-08-2019, 7:32 AM Reply   
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Dow, down 300 pts. Buy?
300 pts is a 1% drop. I've dropped deuces that have bigger financial impacts to my life. A 1% drop/buy over the span of 20+ years is like stopping to pick up a penny off the ground. Nothing wrong with doing that, but market timing has never proven to be a good long term strategy.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       02-08-2019, 12:17 PM Reply   
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300 pts is a 1% drop. I've dropped deuces that have bigger financial impacts to my life. A 1% drop/buy over the span of 20+ years is like stopping to pick up a penny off the ground. Nothing wrong with doing that, but market timing has never proven to be a good long term strategy.

Ha, a better strategy in my experience would be to short the market any time I have decided itís ďa good time to buy. ď
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-08-2019, 1:09 PM Reply   
^^True that.
I closed another loan this week. $50K at 9%. 5 year balloon payment. Its a 2nd TD, loads of equity. The stock market could drop 20% next week and my mailbox still gets the same check on the 1st. Moved a big chunk out of the stock market to diversify.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       03-18-2019, 5:08 PM Reply   
Once again stocks are at an all time high, at this time, once the DOW gets above 26k, it does Not stay there that long. Last December the DOW went down to 22.5k, so it could easily do that again. With the GDP going lower, lower housing starts, less vehicles sold, and retail down, I do not think the stocks are going higher at this time, so, when will it drop?
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       03-18-2019, 5:39 PM Reply   
And what will you buy when it falls? ROKU, AMZN, MSFT, NVDA, And why is Chipotle 655??? Maybe it's time to Short Chipotle?

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Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-19-2019, 8:38 AM Reply   
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And what will you buy when it falls? ROKU, AMZN, MSFT, NVDA, And why is Chipotle 655??? Maybe it's time to Short Chipotle?
What do you think of LYFT & their coming IPO? I'm thinking about putting some in
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       03-19-2019, 9:34 PM Reply   
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What do you think of LYFT & their coming IPO? I'm thinking about putting some in
I really like Lyft because they are into all kinds of transportation besides cars, they have those scooters that are all over in some cities and they are working on autonomous cars for transportation. But, for the past few years It seems IPO's always go down below their initial selling price after going positive for a short time, So, if Lyft goes down below their asking price, I think it would be a good buy.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-20-2019, 8:27 AM Reply   
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I really like Lyft because they are into all kinds of transportation besides cars, they have those scooters that are all over in some cities and they are working on autonomous cars for transportation. But, for the past few years It seems IPO's always go down below their initial selling price after going positive for a short time, So, if Lyft goes down below their asking price, I think it would be a good buy.
I sort of seeing a facebook scenario. Stock dropped over night & now it's worth 1,000% more.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-17-2019, 11:50 AM Reply   
I am out of the market right now, going to Hawaii for a couple weeks and won't be trading any stocks, so the market might jump up to 27.000 now that I am out. I will get back into the market (just a little) when it drops back down to 25,000
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-17-2019, 7:16 PM Reply   
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I am out of the market right now, going to Hawaii for a couple weeks and won't be trading any stocks, so the market might jump up to 27.000 now that I am out. I will get back into the market (just a little) when it drops back down to 25,000
Well, have fun with the proceeds of those Trump tax cuts. Donít spend it all in one place. Oh and make sure to adjust your withholdings so you donít screw yourself two years in a row.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-18-2019, 5:15 AM Reply   
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Well, have fun with the proceeds of those Trump tax cuts. Donít spend it all in one place. Oh and make sure to adjust your withholdings so you donít screw yourself two years in a row.
My Trump tax cuts went into buying a grill that cost $100 last year, the same exact grill cost $165 this year.
I didn't screw myself, Trump screwed me, like he screws everybody, the Trump administration knew they F'ed up on not paying enough taxes, after getting a tax cut, so they Increased the amount from 10% to 20% so I didn't have to pay the penalty after all!
Go buy some stocks now Mark, DOW is at an all time high!
ps. Trumps tax cuts couldn't buy one plane trip ticket, let alone four!
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-18-2019, 5:28 AM Reply   
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My Trump tax cuts went into buying a grill that cost $100 last year, the same exact grill cost $165 this year.
I didn't screw myself, Trump screwed me, like he screws everybody, the Trump administration knew they F'ed up on not paying enough taxes, after getting a tax cut, so they Increased the amount from 10% to 20% so I didn't have to pay the penalty after all!
Go buy some stocks now Mark, DOW is at an all time high!
ps. Trumps tax cuts couldn't buy one plane trip ticket, let alone four!
Lol have a nice, safe trip, math wizard!
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-19-2019, 5:23 PM Reply   
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Lol have a nice, safe trip, math wizard!
Now, you are telling the truth! I probably have more math skills than anyone in this forum, both of my sons have graduated in mechanical engineering at the Ohio State University, one with a masters degree in engineering and I have more math skills than both of them, they only went up to differential equations. But, I am sure you will continue to be condescending in these forums.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-20-2019, 4:16 AM Reply   
Too bad those math skills didn’t help you figure out your withholding amounts last year. Education doesn’t mean you’re smart. It means you’re educated. We all know people who are well educated, but still dumb as a box of rocks. A good example is your typical college professor. Highly educated and yet, still a liberal.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-20-2019, 5:38 AM Reply   
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Too bad those math skills didnít help you figure out your withholding amounts last year. Education doesnít mean youíre smart. It means youíre educated. We all know people who are well educated, but still dumb as a box of rocks. A good example is your typical college professor. Highly educated and yet, still a liberal.
As much as I would love to have Joe's Reported skill set, you are also correct. My Wave and Quantum Optics professor was one of the smartest people I met. Take it back to high school, my physics teacher told the story of a friend of his that was so intelligent but if you painted the door knob he could not get out of the room. Later after taking the wave and quantum optics class I went back to the high school teacher and said my professors name and related it back to that story. My Physics teacher said, "That's the one!"

Joe. Congrats on the kids. We have a couple of Ohio State engineers that I work with (one being a fairly recent grad) and they are top notch.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-20-2019, 5:41 AM Reply   
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Now, you are telling the truth! I probably have more math skills than anyone in this forum, both of my sons have graduated in mechanical engineering at the Ohio State University, one with a masters degree in engineering and I have more math skills than both of them, they only went up to differential equations. But, I am sure you will continue to be condescending in these forums.
Also, not trying to pile on. I are buying $100 grills (unless it is a webber kettle), then you are not showing your intelligence. Actually it is not a absolute sign of intelligence, however it is a sign of poor decision making.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       07-03-2019, 9:05 AM Reply   
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Also, not trying to pile on. I are buying $100 grills (unless it is a webber kettle), then you are not showing your intelligence. Actually it is not a absolute sign of intelligence, however it is a sign of poor decision making.
It absolutely was a Webber kettle grill that was being sold for 100 bucks last year. The Webber grill even at 165 is a great investment for me! I have a smoking technique where I lay the coals out so it will produce a 250 degree heat for five hours. Bought it for Fathers day weekend and had exceptional results with ribs and pulled pork. I Have to give credit to my wife too, for making an exceptional rub for the pulled pork.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-08-2019, 6:38 AM Reply   
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It absolutely was a Webber kettle grill that was being sold for 100 bucks last year. The Webber grill even at 165 is a great investment for me! I have a smoking technique where I lay the coals out so it will produce a 250 degree heat for five hours. Bought it for Fathers day weekend and had exceptional results with ribs and pulled pork. I Have to give credit to my wife too, for making an exceptional rub for the pulled pork.
I feel like we should be using a basket of goods instead of one to benchmark inflation rates relative to tax cuts.

You can be a level 10 math wizard, but if you're adding up the wrong stuff, well... you're not gonna come close!

post up the pulled pork rub mix!

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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-11-2019, 12:40 PM Reply   
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I am out of the market right now, going to Hawaii for a couple weeks and won't be trading any stocks, so the market might jump up to 27.000 now that I am out. I will get back into the market (just a little) when it drops back down to 25,000


You were right about the 27000...
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       07-17-2019, 11:32 PM Reply   
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I feel like we should be using a basket of goods instead of one to benchmark inflation rates relative to tax cuts.
You can be a level 10 math wizard, but if you're adding up the wrong stuff, well... you're not gonna come close!
post up the pulled pork rub mix!
Agree, I was just hoping to get the grill from Sams for the 100 bucks I saw last year, it even had the bucket underneath to catch all the ashes, anyway here is the rub!
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Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-24-2019, 7:05 AM Reply   
Any predictions on when this bull will stumble? Gold and silver are on the move. Interest rates show some flight to quality has already taken place....
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-25-2019, 7:57 AM Reply   
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Any predictions on when this bull will stumble? Gold and silver are on the move. Interest rates show some flight to quality has already taken place....


Dollar cost averaging...
Dollar cost averaging...
Dollar cost averaging...
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-25-2019, 9:39 AM Reply   
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Dollar cost averaging...
Dollar cost averaging...
Dollar cost averaging...
no doubt a great tool to lower basis
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-25-2019, 9:40 AM Reply   
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Agree, I was just hoping to get the grill from Sams for the 100 bucks I saw last year, it even had the bucket underneath to catch all the ashes, anyway here is the rub!
Yum....
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       07-29-2019, 8:45 AM Reply   
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Any predictions on when this bull will stumble? Gold and silver are on the move. Interest rates show some flight to quality has already taken place....
Trump said last Friday that the Chinese will wait for the election to make a deal and the DOW was up today, that, and they are going to have a rate cut this week which will make the stocks go even higher. I am waiting for a pullback, looks like i am going to be waiting a while. I was going to buy some dividend stocks today, but just like I buy too many stocks when they go down, I have a hard time buying stocks when the DOW is at an all time high.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       08-01-2019, 9:27 AM Reply   
interesting response to a rate cut
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-02-2019, 4:48 AM Reply   
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interesting response to a rate cut
Looks like they're going to make some more rate cuts this year. Started buying some stocks.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-05-2019, 4:18 AM Reply   
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Once again stocks are at an all time high, at this time, once the DOW gets above 26k, it does Not stay there that long.
Wow, the Dow almost stayed above 26k for two whole months, if the Dow drops another k, I will think about maybe buying some stocks.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-20-2019, 5:20 PM Reply   
Market down, but HEMA up - w00t!
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-21-2019, 2:45 AM Reply   
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Once again stocks are at an all time high, at this time, once the DOW gets above 26k, it does Not stay there that long. Last December the DOW went down to 22.5k, so it could easily do that again. With the GDP going lower, lower housing starts, less vehicles sold, and retail down, I do not think the stocks are going higher at this time, so, when will it drop?
I am seeing a change in the market now, instead of not staying above 26k very long, it now appears it does Not stay Below 26k for very long, until there is a recession, the Dow will go up. Also, there is a chance of a trade agreement.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-25-2019, 12:30 PM Reply   
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I am seeing a change in the market now, instead of not staying above 26k very long, it now appears it does Not stay Below 26k for very long, until there is a recession, the Dow will go up. Also, there is a chance of a trade agreement.
Well forget that! Several developments over the weekend do Not help the markets. Trump triples down on tariffs and the economy is Not as strong as they say it was, only grew at 2.5% when the white house touted 3%, since then, they economy has slowed down. And the increase in jobs report was inflated. Finally, they are reporting thousands of people being laid off in the mid west States, so watch the unemployment report.

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