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Old    deltahoosier            08-11-2017, 9:57 AM Reply   
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Do you feel that credit cards caused prices to skyrocket?
Lets take a topic that people just went through in the last decade. The housing bubble.

Would you say that housing prices were more expensive or less expensive during the bubble?

If you say housing prices went up, then how could that have been?

Was it from all the middle class somehow making much more money or from credit being easy to obtain?

Me, I don't remember a huge increase in wages.

If you are a home owner, do you sell a house to the lowest bidder? I would say not. What if you had people lined up with the ability to pay and they all wanted your house? Would you sell to the lowest bidder or would you hope they bid it up as high as it could go?
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-11-2017, 10:47 AM Reply   
Rod brings up a great point: During that time in history entire nations were part of the war effort weather they wanted to or not. Reminds me of this in the move clearks
https://youtu.be/iQdDRrcAOjA

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Old    deltahoosier            08-11-2017, 11:49 AM Reply   
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Rod brings up a great point: During that time in history entire nations were part of the war effort weather they wanted to or not. Reminds me of this in the move clearks
https://youtu.be/iQdDRrcAOjA
haha. nice. funny stuff right there.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-11-2017, 11:50 AM Reply   
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Nah dude, he can just push the button, he doesn't need to ask his mum. Look it up, procedure was set so the president could respond chop chop to a frisky nuke from the commies.
Maybe you should have looked it up. There's an entire flow chart showing exactly what I said. In the event of a launch the sole final decision is his. Just waking up & deciding to fire off a nuke isn't going to happen, ever. Are you even capable of responding to people in a calm rational manner to discuss things like this?

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Old     (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-11-2017, 12:19 PM Reply   
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Rod brings up a great point: During that time in history entire nations were part of the war effort weather they wanted to or not. Reminds me of this in the move clearks
https://youtu.be/iQdDRrcAOjA
I love clerks. But if you agree with what they are saying in Clerks, then you support refugees being able to flee countries in chaos. And based off of past posts, it doesn't seem like you support refugees ability to seek asylum.
Old    deltahoosier            08-11-2017, 1:02 PM Reply   
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I love clerks. But if you agree with what they are saying in Clerks, then you support refugees being able to flee countries in chaos. And based off of past posts, it doesn't seem like you support refugees ability to seek asylum.
Not even the same. No one says that you are immune from chaos. There is not a blanket bombing of every square inch of a country so their life is not in absolute danger if they do not work for the war machine.

Unfortunately the people in those countries are responsible for the culture that allowed what ever issues to fester that got them into war. Them creating a culture that got them into a war with another country does not mean they can pack up and move that defunct culture to another country. I reject that analogy.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-11-2017, 4:39 PM Reply   
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Maybe you should have looked it up. There's an entire flow chart showing exactly what I said. In the event of a launch the sole final decision is his. Just waking up & deciding to fire off a nuke isn't going to happen, ever. Are you even capable of responding to people in a calm rational manner to discuss things like this?
I did look it up, Congress would have to remove his power to act unilaterally. He can't declare war by himself but he can release a single strike. Only actions over 60 days require approval.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c832c63c3bec
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-11-2017, 4:54 PM Reply   
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Ralph: personally I think the US did a great thing ending the war by dropping the bomb (At the time it was the right choice)

Do you think if Japan would have had the ability to wipe the US off the face of the earth they would have done it. If your answer is No then I can tell you your wrong. Same go's for NK. If they had the night of the US they would be the Nazi Germany
Well, you did have the ability, and you did do it, being proud of it just seems to be an odd reflection on it. I don't know if it was the right choice or not, it was a terrible time and there were no right choices i suspect.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-11-2017, 4:59 PM Reply   
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You live in a bubble. The world was in a all out war. Total destruction. The Japanese were performing germ warfare experiments against the chinese and were overall ruthless. The military leaders were coddled aristocrats. The war machine was supplied by the people through the buildings, roads, trains, and factories. They were the labor and the warriors being led to be a destructive force by the leaders. This whole notion of not targeting the civilian population centers is a very naive idea of total war. The cities are the infastructure of the of the war machine. The civilians are free to leave for safety. This is not dudes in blue and red coats lining up and shooting at each other while the civilians sit by and have a picnic. Ask the civilians that the japanese enslaved?
You live in that same bubble Rod.

I just find the attitude that we are the good guys so can act with impunity to be unhealthy. It's this same attitude which lead to subsequent invasions of Korea, Veitnam, Afghanistan, Iraqi etc etc.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-11-2017, 7:17 PM Reply   
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I did look it up, Congress would have to remove his power to act unilaterally. He can't declare war by himself but he can release a single strike. Only actions over 60 days require approval.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c832c63c3bec
Your article does discuss he can act unilaterally, discussing tomahawk attacks & such then specially says "technically this would apply nukes". Nice fear mongering article. Two seconds on google & there's a complete flow chart how it would go down. He does not have a button to push to launch a nuke, they are codes & if there wasn't an actual reason & Trump just wanted to nuke someone cause he's crazy, the order would be ignored. The order still has to come from the Secretary of Defense. The entire premise that he's so crazy he's just going to launch nukes is either intellectually dishonest or just lacking of intellect.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-11-2017, 8:43 PM Reply   
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Your article does discuss he can act unilaterally, discussing tomahawk attacks & such then specially says "technically this would apply nukes". Nice fear mongering article. Two seconds on google & there's a complete flow chart how it would go down. He does not have a button to push to launch a nuke, they are codes & if there wasn't an actual reason & Trump just wanted to nuke someone cause he's crazy, the order would be ignored. The order still has to come from the Secretary of Defense. The entire premise that he's so crazy he's just going to launch nukes is either intellectually dishonest or just lacking of intellect.
Agreed. The thing I keep laughing about is if it's like Darren says, how does pushing that button aim the nuke? Where is it headed? How does it know where Trump wants it if it's like Darren says?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-11-2017, 8:46 PM Reply   
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I did look it up, Congress would have to remove his power to act unilaterally. He can't declare war by himself but he can release a single strike. Only actions over 60 days require approval.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c832c63c3bec
A single strike where? The Trumpster all by himself? Has he had weapons training? How's his aim? LOL
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-11-2017, 10:53 PM Reply   
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Your article does discuss he can act unilaterally, discussing tomahawk attacks & such then specially says "technically this would apply nukes". Nice fear mongering article. Two seconds on google & there's a complete flow chart how it would go down. He does not have a button to push to launch a nuke, they are codes & if there wasn't an actual reason & Trump just wanted to nuke someone cause he's crazy, the order would be ignored. The order still has to come from the Secretary of Defense. The entire premise that he's so crazy he's just going to launch nukes is either intellectually dishonest or just lacking of intellect.
What flow chart are you referencing, this one?
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/g...weapon-launch/

Where specifically and who would be able to stop the order?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 12:51 AM Reply   
No wonder WhitePride's been so silent. He was stocking up on tiki torches for his hate parade tonight in Charlottesville

Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-12-2017, 1:50 AM Reply   
Oh... you didn't hear? He had a little mishap at a picnic. I'm sure he'll be back soon though.
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Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 1:54 AM Reply   
That was just a test to make sure you two were the same guy. You passed!
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-12-2017, 1:59 AM Reply   
Does trump think Venezuela is the capital of North Korea?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 2:14 AM Reply   
Oops forgot the actual link to Mark's tiki torch white supremacist rally

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...rginia-n792021
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 2:18 AM Reply   
Another shot from the white supremacist tiki torch bonanza in Virginia tonight.
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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-12-2017, 2:29 AM Reply   
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That was just a test to make sure you two were the same guy. You passed!
Ha! Yeah right. I've shown that to black people and they laugh. It's the self righteous, white liberal, faux-outrage-filled sheeple that have a problem with stuff like that. Lighten up. It's funny and I KNOW you laughed. On a serious note, here's a pic my son took while eating at a place in San Diego 5-6 years ago. He was like, "dad, this idiot just walked in here and was talking to the workers like they were slaves." People... they're the worst.
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Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-12-2017, 5:12 AM Reply   
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What flow chart are you referencing, this one?
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/g...weapon-launch/

Where specifically and who would be able to stop the order?
Quit using left wing rag tag **** for your sources & you'll see:

"Only the President can direct the use of nuclear weapons by U.S. armed forces, including the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP). While the President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it."

"If the Vice President and the majority of the Cabinet are of the opinion that the President has lost her/his rational faculties and is acting unpredictably & erratically, the sitting President can be temporarily removed from office."

"More practically, though (as observed in other answers), if the President were to randomly walk into the Situation Room and unexpectedly order a nuclear strike, the Commander of USSTRATCOM would almost certainly hold the order and demand clarification."

Can we stop the fear mongering now?

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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-12-2017, 5:37 AM Reply   
Racer, if I'm reading that correctly, so long as the president hasn't been removed pursuant to the 25th amendment (nobody ever has) and he has a loyal secretary of defense, unilateral use of nukes is indeed possible?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-12-2017, 5:38 AM Reply   
Is that white jesus ordering at robertos? what did he get?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-12-2017, 5:41 AM Reply   
re venezuela -- didn't Trump run on a platform of disengagement / America First? How do Trump voters feel about us being the world's policeman?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-12-2017, 6:15 AM Reply   
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Quit using left wing rag tag **** for your sources & you'll see:

"Only the President can direct the use of nuclear weapons by U.S. armed forces, including the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP). While the President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it."

"If the Vice President and the majority of the Cabinet are of the opinion that the President has lost her/his rational faculties and is acting unpredictably & erratically, the sitting President can be temporarily removed from office."

"More practically, though (as observed in other answers), if the President were to randomly walk into the Situation Room and unexpectedly order a nuclear strike, the Commander of USSTRATCOM would almost certainly hold the order and demand clarification."

Can we stop the fear mongering now?
Ok that's better than i have read in a number of places. Politifact disagrees with you, and business insider and the economist but wiki agrees. Thank God we have MadDog Mattis to steady the ship.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nstitutional-/
http://www.businessinsider.com/nucle...aunched-2017-8
https://www.economist.com/news/brief...-nuclear-codes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nati...mand_Authority
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-12-2017, 8:35 AM Reply   
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Racer, if I'm reading that correctly, so long as the president hasn't been removed pursuant to the 25th amendment (nobody ever has) and he has a loyal secretary of defense, unilateral use of nukes is indeed possible?
Based on what I've read or able to find, in peace time even if the order came from the Defense Sec others could ignore it if they felt the president has gone mad. It would be considered mutiny but easily defensible. Apparently the right was taken away from Nixon near the end because he was a drinker. We're debating technicalities that although have merit, would never happen unless the entire system was in on just firing a nuke off.

We do have layers of things to prevent this & cooler heads even if the president loses his. In the case of an incoming missile there is no time to distinguish between a warhead or an empty missile. One would surely be fired in defense prior to it landing & it would be shame on them for firing a blank trying to get a response.

I don't think Trump is just a nut who'd try to launch to a preemptive attack, I think he's just a nut. I would submit to you his rhetoric is actually a good head game against Best Korea. Look how fast the tables turned; Kim went from being "unpredictable" to totally predictable & Trump being unpredictable. We;ll see how this all plays out but something tells me he is going to be the president to disarm Best Korea. That is my opinion & I have been wrong many times but that's where my mind is at at the moment. But I am off to the lake so I won't be able to have fun with you guys till I get back. Everyone have a great & safe weekend!
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-12-2017, 8:36 AM Reply   
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Ok that's better than i have read in a number of places. Politifact disagrees with you, and business insider and the economist but wiki agrees. Thank God we have MadDog Mattis to steady the ship.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nstitutional-/
http://www.businessinsider.com/nucle...aunched-2017-8
https://www.economist.com/news/brief...-nuclear-codes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nati...mand_Authority
Of course they do my friend. politifact is known to be left leaning, Economist is a complete communist mag, there is no denying that. Business left out a lot of details that contradict the article.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 10:25 AM Reply   
State of emergency declared in Virginia due to Mark and his buddies' white supremacist violence (but what's gonna happen to all those made in China tiki torches?)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/cha...lly/index.html
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-12-2017, 10:31 AM Reply   
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State of emergency declared in Virginia due to Mark and his buddies' white supremacist violence (but what's gonna happen to all those made in China tiki torches?)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/cha...lly/index.html
If only blacks would protest correctly, oh wait it's white lining up with helmets and bats over a ****ing statue.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 11:04 AM Reply   
Can you imagine if these tiki torch carrying snowflakes ever faced actual oppression?
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-12-2017, 1:12 PM Reply   
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Another shot from the white supremacist tiki torch bonanza in Virginia tonight.
Poor liberals..They think Hitler was 'right wing' when in fact he was 'left wing' socialist fanciest doing all the things the modern liberals are wanting to do.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 1:34 PM Reply   
Dennie, you have a special kind of brain disease.

Here's a photo of white supremacist terrorists plowing into counter-protestors. 2 are dead.
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Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-12-2017, 1:44 PM Reply   
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Dennie, you have a special kind of brain disease.

Here's a photo of white supremacist terrorists plowing into counter-protestors. 2 are dead.
Crazy, everybody has been trying to hunt down ISIS, they're right here.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-12-2017, 1:46 PM Reply   
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Poor liberals..They think Hitler was 'right wing' when in fact he was 'left wing' socialist fanciest doing all the things the modern liberals are wanting to do.
Again, you don't understand what communism, socialism, right wing, or left wing are. You need a pile of history books to help you if you think Hitler was on the left. I'm not even saying he was on the right. He was so far past the right that I'm not categorizing him with you guys. Don't be a prick and compare the things Hitler did to anything that is going on today.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 1:49 PM Reply   
You snowflakes bitch and moan about politicians not saying "radical Islamic terrorists" and there's crickets when Trump can't even say "white supremacist" or even just "alt right." His speech was pathetic.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 2:02 PM Reply   
lamebros
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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-12-2017, 3:52 PM Reply   
Now watch the LibraTards like Wes try and link the KKK and White Nationalists to TRUMP. First it's Russia and now it will be the Klan. I have to say. All the clashes I see on the news all the violance is comming from the Black Lives Matter side. They seem to always be promoting violance. And frankly they seem to always be the ones that come out on top when it comes to "whooping a$$ on Whitey"
I don't condone or like to see Americans acting out like this. I mean come on what do you think is gonna happen when a violaent group like the BLM squares off against the KKK? Not sure what group has a lower IQ.

But I say F the McGreggor fight. I say we have the super Bowl of dumb a$$'s. KKK vs BLM winner take all at the Oakland Colosseum
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 3:55 PM Reply   
Only a feeb like Grant could look at the last 24 hours and write this drivel.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-12-2017, 3:58 PM Reply   
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Now watch the LibraTards like Wes try and link the KKK and White Nationalists to TRUMP. First it's Russia and now it will be the Klan. I have to say. All the clashes I see on the news all the violance is comming from the Black Lives Matter side. They seem to always be promoting violance. And frankly they seem to always be the ones that come out on top when it comes to "whooping a$$ on Whitey"
I don't condone or like to see Americans acting out like this. I mean come on what do you think is gonna happen when a violaent group like the BLM squares off against the KKK? Not sure what group has a lower IQ.

But I say F the McGreggor fight. I say we have the super Bowl of dumb a$$'s. KKK vs BLM winner take all at the Oakland Colosseum
The BLM side? Who ran the car into who? You guys blame Obama for BLM, what's the difference

Answer one question, who ran the car into who?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 4:01 PM Reply   
Republican Senator Cory Gardner tweeted: "Mr. President - we must call evil by its name. These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism."
"My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home," tweeted Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, also a Republican.

Why is Trump such a pussy? Even Orrin Hatch knows what's up. I guess old habits die hard (draft dodger with 5 deferments).
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 4:58 PM Reply   
Wow, right after his ridiculous paragraph avoiding anything to do with white supremacy, the nazi chanting going on, or even "alt right" this is what the tweeter in chief said:

"Our country is doing very well in so many ways. We have record -- just absolute record employment. We have unemployment, the lowest it's been in almost 17 years. We have companies pouring into our country. Foxconn and car companies, and so many others, they're coming back to our country. We're renegotiating trade deals to make them great for our country and great for the American worker. We have so many incredible things happening in our country. So when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very sad."

What an egomaniacal piece of ****.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-12-2017, 6:30 PM Reply   
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Again, you don't understand what communism, socialism, right wing, or left wing are. You need a pile of history books to help you if you think Hitler was on the left. I'm not even saying he was on the right. He was so far past the right that I'm not categorizing him with you guys. Don't be a prick and compare the things Hitler did to anything that is going on today.
fascists come in all flavors. Hitler identified himself as a socialist
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-12-2017, 6:39 PM Reply   
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fascists come in all flavors. Hitler identified himself as a socialist
in the same way that North Korea identifies itself as democratic, I 'spose.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 7:22 PM Reply   
Even that asshat Ted Cruz put Trump to shame today:
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Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-12-2017, 7:48 PM Reply   
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The BLM side? Who ran the car into who? You guys blame Obama for BLM, what's the difference

Answer one question, who ran the car into who?
Wow. I am glad they caught the single person who ran his car into the crowd, and if the intention was to cause harm to another person then he should be prosecuted to the fullest. As we all know Antifa and BLM have attacked people in cars before, so was he trying to get away? Of course the left is known to jump to conclusions before the facts are in. The protestors had a permit for the rally, and until Antifa showed up everything was peaceful . Sounds familar? Witnesses claim Antifa was hyper aggressive throwing urine, feces, paint, chemicals smoke canisters and pepper spray. I think President Trump was right in condeming the action of both sides. Sounds like Antifa got there ass kicked again. I am against violence, and lets see what the actual facts are.
http://100percentfedup.com/katie-cou...thugs-sprayed/
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 7:52 PM Reply   
Nice try. Driver is in custody, 20 year old registered republican who drove in from Ohio to commit murder (charge is currently 2nd degree murder).
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 7:53 PM Reply   
Trump vowed to kill the families of terrorists. Does that mean he will now kill the family of 20 year old domestic terrorist James Alex Fields?
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Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-12-2017, 8:18 PM Reply   
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fascists come in all flavors. Hitler identified himself as a socialist
There is a genuine difference between identifying with an ideology and actually being a part of the ideology.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-12-2017, 9:20 PM Reply   
Wes: are you going to have another SnowFlake melt down like you have had in this very thread like 3 times. I come here to kick you LibraTards. It's quite fun. But I don't want you to jump off a cliff. Chill brother.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-12-2017, 9:26 PM Reply   
Chill yourself, ****head.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-12-2017, 10:57 PM Reply   
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There is a genuine difference between identifying with an ideology and actually being a part of the ideology.
That's a fair point but Nazi policy was for state run healthcare education and of course military. Large parts of the economy was planned in nature so imo they were more socialist that anything. But regardless, you are correct, these drongo drop kicks have nothing to do with Nazis, they are too simple minded to develop any cohesive policy.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-13-2017, 7:43 AM Reply   
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That's a fair point but Nazi policy was for state run healthcare education and of course military. Large parts of the economy was planned in nature so imo they were more socialist that anything. But regardless, you are correct, these drongo drop kicks have nothing to do with Nazis, they are too simple minded to develop any cohesive policy.
Again, I still think you're missing the point. Hitler told people what they wanted to hear. He would tell the working class that he was running a socialist party, and then tell the elite something entirely different. As was said above, Hitler's socialism parallels North Korea's democracy. Hitler was much more involved with a race based society rather than a working based society.

The notion that we can even bring up Hitler in the same light as socialism as Bernie or some other leftists want(not my cup of tea) is insanity.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2017, 9:59 AM Reply   
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Even that asshat Ted Cruz put Trump to shame today:
Wes by your logic the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson are Obama's riots.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-13-2017, 10:51 AM Reply   
Who here thinks Wes needs to check himself into a "Safe Space"
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 11:08 AM Reply   
Who here thinks Grant should learn to not use quotation marks for emphasis?
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2017, 11:28 AM Reply   
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Again, I still think you're missing the point. Hitler told people what they wanted to hear. He would tell the working class that he was running a socialist party, and then tell the elite something entirely different. As was said above, Hitler's socialism parallels North Korea's democracy. Hitler was much more involved with a race based society rather than a working based society.

The notion that we can even bring up Hitler in the same light as socialism as Bernie or some other leftists want(not my cup of tea) is insanity.
I think Crowder explains how Bernies liberal socialism and Hitlers socialism are the same. Not saying that Bernie is like Hitler. Not saying that he wants to kill his opponents ,but that liberal socialist like the left and nationalistic socialism are both socialism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybWkpt_3Jo

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Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-13-2017, 11:36 AM Reply   
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I think Crowder explains how Bernies liberal socialism and Hitlers socialism are the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybWkpt_3Jo
Again, I gave you the benefit of the doubt for knowing the differences and quite honestly being better than to compare something as evil as the nazi regime to Bernie's ideas. You truly are clueless. Read a history book.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-13-2017, 11:39 AM Reply   
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I think Crowder explains how Bernies liberal socialism and Hitlers socialism are the same. Not saying that Bernie is like Hitler. Not saying that he wants to kill his opponents ,but that liberal socialist like the left and nationalistic socialism are both socialism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybWkpt_3Jo
No, it isn't. Is North Korea's democracy like ours? Clueless
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2017, 11:43 AM Reply   
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Again, I gave you the benefit of the doubt for knowing the differences and quite honestly being better than to compare something as evil as the nazi regime to Bernie's ideas. You truly are clueless. Read a history book.
Liberals are either ignorant or evil. I will give you some credit and call you a ignorant fool.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-13-2017, 11:55 AM Reply   
^ I will go with arrogant!
Have you noticed becides Ralph if you disagree with these Libs they get pissed! They name call and throw a fit. It's hilarious. All one needs to do to trigger a lib into his or her safe space is disagree.
They don't like what you have to say it labeled fascist or racist or hate speech or anti LBGT LOL you guys have painted your selfs into a corner.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-13-2017, 11:58 AM Reply   
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Liberals are either ignorant or evil. I will give you some credit and call you a ignorant fool.
Yes, just like Stalinism and Marxism are the same kind of communism correct?
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2017, 11:59 AM Reply   
Well if you would have read your history books then you would know that Germany was coming out of a worse depression then the U.S., so he promised and implemented social expansion. He had to establish a working base society and he did. As far as the race bating ... The 1% the jews . Bernies 1% are the rich. His message was to hate the rich it is all their fault . Not any different than Hitler and the jews.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-13-2017, 12:04 PM Reply   
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Well if you would have read your history books then you would know that Germany was coming out of a worse depression then the U.S., so he promised and implemented social expansion. He had to establish a working base society and he did. As far as the race bating ... The 1% the jews . Bernies 1% are the rich. His message was to hate the rich it is all their fault . Not any different than Hitler and the jews.
Oh man, so many things wrong here. I don't know where to begin, I'll just leave it at this, you're believing Hitlers WORDS not his actions. I've explained this above, Hitlers socialism had nothing to do with classes, it had everything to do with race, therefore it isn't even socialism and something absolutely disgusting. I'm not a socialist, I didn't vote for Bernie, but to compare the two shows just how ignorant you actually are and how little you know of history.

Try another actual response like you just had, it's nice reading actual ideas even if I disagree with them instead of your usually defense mechanism "liberals are either fools or evil".
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2017, 12:15 PM Reply   
You are right it had nothing to do with classes. It did not have everthing to do with race. It had everything to do with socialism . The race hatred was the binding forse like Bernies message of the 1%. That was Hitlers 1% The jews had the money. They stole everything from the others. If they had no money they would not have started with the jews. WTF it is not Socialism ? The party is the Nationalist Socialist workers party. I will stop calling liberals ignorant or evil when it stops being true.
Anybody who defends that Hitler was not a Socialist must be one.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-13-2017, 12:21 PM Reply   
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Who here thinks Wes needs to check himself into a "Safe Space"
Yep. He is an emotional yard sale. Either a safe space or a trip to the pharmacy to pick up his meds.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-13-2017, 12:28 PM Reply   
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You are right it had nothing to do with classes. It did not have everthing to do with race. It had everything to do with socialism . The race hatred was the binding forse like Bernies message of the 1%. That was Hitlers 1% The jews had the money. They stole everything from the others. If they had no money they would not have started with the jews. WTF it is not Socialism ? The party is the Nationalist Socialist workers party. I will stop calling liberals ignorant or evil when it stops being true.
Anybody who defends that Hitler was not a Socialist must be one.
Yep, just like North Korea's democracy is as great as ours.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-13-2017, 1:35 PM Reply   
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Again, I still think you're missing the point. Hitler told people what they wanted to hear. He would tell the working class that he was running a socialist party, and then tell the elite something entirely different. As was said above, Hitler's socialism parallels North Korea's democracy. Hitler was much more involved with a race based society rather than a working based society.

The notion that we can even bring up Hitler in the same light as socialism as Bernie or some other leftists want(not my cup of tea) is insanity.
No I got your point, I just don't agree. There was much more than words around the socialist policies of the Nazis, there was implemented policy. Very very strong on the union front and getting 30s Germany employment strong.

Summary here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guide...r82/revision/1

Not sure if that means he is anything like Bernie, much more like MAGA imo, strong nationalism favoring white middle class.

All this is a moot point tho. What is curious tho is how soft on domestic terroism Trump is I imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and this was a Muslim man driving his car through a Christian March the rain from the WH would be a lot stronger, are only sand colored people considered terrorists? How long until the white nationalist movement is defined as a terror group.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 6:34 PM Reply   
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Yep. He is an emotional yard sale. Either a safe space or a trip to the pharmacy to pick up his meds.
The hilarious part is that it's your white supremacy bros in Virginia that are crying their salty tiki-torched tears about wanting a safe space for their Robert E Lee statue lol. Snowflake = white and fragile. Trump's entire party has come out against his absurd response but mental midgets like you two continue to support him. Luckily you and the rest of your feeble kind are on the way out.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 6:44 PM Reply   
These are the comments the neo nazis are making today. I take it given their silence on the subject Grant, Mark, Rod, etc are just fine with the tiki torch brigade and their nazi salutes.
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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-13-2017, 8:43 PM Reply   
Seriously Wes: what's your address I'm sending a "Wham-Bu-Lance" to your house. LOL LOL did I spell that right for your or put enough question marks so you can understand #wesunhinged
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 9:36 PM Reply   
Maybe you and your crybaby bros can bring some tiki torches and whine about it some more. Did you see your pussy leader get tackled by a girl today? Made my day.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-13-2017, 9:37 PM Reply   
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The hilarious part is that it's your white supremacy bros in Virginia that are crying their salty tiki-torched tears about wanting a safe space for their Robert E Lee statue lol. Snowflake = white and fragile. Trump's entire party has come out against his absurd response but mental midgets like you two continue to support him. Luckily you and the rest of your feeble kind are on the way out.
Who is on the way out? Do we have first class tickets? Where are we going? Is it warm? Can I snorkel or dive there? How's the food?

I come on this thread occasionally for fun, joke and poke at the libtards. I never take myself seriously. Even when people like you say things meant to hurt or insult me. I honestly don't care.

I also honestly feel sorry for you. You are one sad, bitter, hate-filled, little man who is clearly imploding in front of everyone. You continue to try and steal and reuse terms made for you and yours and turn them around and label conservatives with those same labels made just for YOU..... FAIL. Try growing an original bone in your body.

Jim Carrey said it best: "la-hoo-sa-herrrr!!! You tend this thread, hanging on like a total loser that has nothing better to do. Your constant presence is proof that you are probably in someone's basement. Dude, get out of the basement and get a life.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 9:46 PM Reply   
You're breaking my heart, nazi. Sitting here with a couple sick 2 year olds, and we don't have a basement.

What's imploding is the presidency of the guy whose balls you curiously continue to lick. Old habits die hard I suppose.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-13-2017, 9:59 PM Reply   
Good health and best of luck to your children. May they have MUCH greater wisdom and less hate in their hearts than their father.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 10:07 PM Reply   
Like all good Americans they'll hate nazis. Guess you guys are kinda confused on that point. But that's not surprising considering everything else you're confused about.
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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-13-2017, 10:24 PM Reply   
Posting the same pic on the same page again? Dude, just say no to drugs and give WW a break. You're like a mind-numbed robot here.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 10:31 PM Reply   
Don't cry, nazi.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 10:33 PM Reply   
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/08/...rotest-photos/

Sorry, Cole. Maybe you can parlay that last name into a bit on Alex Jones' show or something...
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-13-2017, 10:45 PM Reply   
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http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/08/...rotest-photos/

Sorry, Cole. Maybe you can parlay that last name into a bit on Alex Jones' show or something...
Top Dog need to stop tripping, "We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone.” Except Nazis of course, they are not allowed to hang out and demonstrate.

Freedom of speech is not tested by nice people saying nice things, it's by nasty people saying nonsense. If Cole didn't participate in the violence then he should not be punished for marching around like a plonker with a scowl on his face.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       08-13-2017, 10:54 PM Reply   
Ralph, I love ya bud but freedom of speech doesn't apply. The govt isn't involved here.
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