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Old    hyperlitemike            12-06-2003, 10:25 PM Reply   
Which boat do you think throws a better wave? and Which boat has better accesories? and which Boat design is better
Old     (tommyc)      Join Date: Nov 2003       12-06-2003, 10:53 PM Reply   
Malibu VLX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old    ontrider            12-06-2003, 11:06 PM Reply   
Supra SSV Launch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old     (kristian)      Join Date: Nov 2002       12-06-2003, 11:21 PM Reply   
Boston Whaler 110 Sport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old     (hyperlitenrd)      Join Date: Jan 2003       12-06-2003, 11:47 PM Reply   
'87 four winns horizon 170!!!!!!
Old     (cdm)      Join Date: Aug 2003       12-07-2003, 12:00 AM Reply   
Perception is Reality my friend!!!!!
Old     (bwood)      Join Date: Jul 2003       12-07-2003, 2:57 AM Reply   
Sweet VLX Tom, is that the boat in DELTA SESSIONS? I have my heart set on A 04 VLX.
Old     (mac_attack)      Join Date: Oct 2003       12-07-2003, 11:10 AM Reply   
Both throw great WAKES it preference. Accessoroes are nearly the same. Both are well built. In the end it it's all what you like.
Old     (tommyc)      Join Date: Nov 2003       12-07-2003, 11:49 AM Reply   
Yes woody...that is the boat in Delta Sessions. Keen eye. You can really control the wake with the VLX.
Old    tattoobling            12-08-2003, 6:40 AM Reply   
Air Palmetto! '04s are out!
Old     (wakeboarddad01)      Join Date: Dec 2003       12-08-2003, 5:30 PM Reply   
We got a 2003 SANTE and we couldn't be happier with it. My daughters love the wake and the quality is excellent. I would strongly suggest a SANTE and the 5 year warranty is the best in the industry.

(Message edited by wakeboarddad01 on December 08, 2003)
Old    norcal_99            12-08-2003, 5:40 PM Reply   
How many times is this question going to come up?

Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       12-09-2003, 9:16 AM Reply   
So...what do you guys think about the Parks board?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       12-09-2003, 9:18 AM Reply   
ford, chevy sucks!
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       12-09-2003, 9:19 AM Reply   
oh, and mac users are tools!
Old     (board4food1)      Join Date: Jul 2002       12-09-2003, 9:25 AM Reply   
Dr Pepper or Mr Pibb?
Old     (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       12-09-2003, 9:31 AM Reply   
tastes great or less filling?
Old    norcal_99            12-09-2003, 9:40 AM Reply   
unleaded or premium
Old     (board4food1)      Join Date: Jul 2002       12-09-2003, 10:39 AM Reply   
blondes or brunettes?
Old    tattoobling            12-09-2003, 12:23 PM Reply   
Boxers or Briefs?
Old    norcal_99            12-09-2003, 12:27 PM Reply   
white meat or dark meat?
Old     (toolfan)      Join Date: Jul 2003       12-09-2003, 12:54 PM Reply   
Spam or Dak?
Old     (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       12-09-2003, 1:04 PM Reply   
apples or oranges?

stock or modified? (boobies)
Old    veganx            12-09-2003, 1:23 PM Reply   
STOCK!!!!!!
Old     (powdrhound)      Join Date: Nov 2002       12-09-2003, 2:50 PM Reply   
Hey gonads if your sick of the topic then move onto the next string not everyone spends there whole life on here like some of you.. the dude is probably out boarding too much too see all the other posts no one has even answered the dudes post except wakeboarddad01
and last but not least there is nothing wrong with modified
Old    wakemeupearly            12-09-2003, 2:55 PM Reply   
gonads or ausinads?

(Message edited by wakemeupearly on December 09, 2003)
Old    norcal_99            12-09-2003, 2:58 PM Reply   
regular or goofy?
Old     (board4food1)      Join Date: Jul 2002       12-09-2003, 3:02 PM Reply   
Here's a list of previous X-star discussions regarding this topic

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/86518.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/87809.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/90127.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/89764.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/90398.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/86743.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/87169.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/86261.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/88135.html
Old    norcal_99            12-09-2003, 3:17 PM Reply   
Here you go Mike. I'll answer all your questions so you don't have to go chasing your tail with all those links.

Question 1. Which boat do you think throws a better wave?
Answer 1. Personal preference.

Question 2. Which boat has better accessories?
Answer 2. Personal preference.

Question 3. Which Boat design is better?
Answer 3. Personal preference.

Does that satisfy you CBrown?


Old    moe            12-09-2003, 6:06 PM Reply   
some people really get offended when a question comes up more than once. WTF? chevy,unleaded,dr pepper,blondes boxers,white meat,spam,apples,gonads,regular, oh and super airs
Old    norcal_99            12-09-2003, 7:18 PM Reply   
Marion, We're not offended. We're only messing around.
Old     (westsidarider)      Join Date: Feb 2003       12-09-2003, 7:28 PM Reply   
hey i heard that the ranger fishing boat is the best
Old     (mac_attack)      Join Date: Oct 2003       12-09-2003, 9:01 PM Reply   
Wes, was your comment directed towards me???
Old    martini            12-11-2003, 2:04 PM Reply   
rene- i agree w/you on the the first 2, but the third is NOT personal preference...no one in the industry builds a boat to the standard of a CC...

you know this mang!
Old     (canaday)      Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hawthorne       12-11-2003, 2:14 PM Reply   
one lump or two?
Old    norcal_99            12-11-2003, 6:09 PM Reply   
Pete, Question 3 is about design not quality.
Old    calawho            12-12-2003, 4:31 AM Reply   
pete- have you been to the barn where cc's are made? VERY nice facility...he hee. build a boat and milk the cows without ever leaving the stall.
Old    tattoobling            12-12-2003, 10:06 AM Reply   
Old    martini            12-12-2003, 2:47 PM Reply   
rene-touche' i sit corrected...quality is different than design...

leonard-yep, been there...thats pretty funny! imagine how much fun the grave yard shift has cow tipping the night away!!!
Old     (powdrhound)      Join Date: Nov 2002       12-14-2003, 11:26 AM Reply   
Nice one Kaiser thats the funniest post I have seen in ages
and not really renee ..the dude is asking you what YOUR personal preference is on the the 2 boats so step up to the plate bro .......
Old    norcal_99            12-14-2003, 8:20 PM Reply   
I'm biased to the X-Star because I own one.
Old    norcal_99            12-14-2003, 8:23 PM Reply   
I'm biased to the X-Star because I own one.
Old    aircanada            12-14-2003, 8:38 PM Reply   
My review of the new X-Star from another post..

Video of the boat with some good shots of the wake.
http://www.wakepics.com/media.php?newest=true&time=1069834568&limit=10



Most people’s reservations on boats seem to be directed towards the wake.. Of course, this is one of the most important factors when considering a wakeboard boat and a lot of hype has gone into the new X-Star. I Personally, however, would never buy a boat just for the wake.

I love the wake on the new X-Star. Fortunately, the boat we tested had about 15 hours on it so we were able to test it with some extra weight. We had it weighted with 4 riders, stock KGB ballast, a 600 lb. sac in the bow and two 300’s on each side of the engine. The wake was very clean all the way back and had very little side spray or rooster tail. Perfect for filming and a clear view of the rider at all times. My subjective opinion found the wake to be a little rampier than the old X-Star (current X-2) but with a nice peek that provided plenty of pop. The wake appeared rampier than it felt.

The first thing I noticed about the boat was that it never porpoised while fully weighted. We filled the sacs and the KGB at the docks and were able to easily cruise out to our riding spot at 45 mph. Weighted, the boat felt a little heavy, but never drove like a pig….. The steering seemed somewhat heavier compared to other Mastercraft’s I have driven and I wonder if this contributed to the “heavy” feeling of the boat or if the heavy steering was a result of the size of the boat.

With the three tracking fins underneath, the boat tracked very well. I could pop a quick 30 to 40 degree turn with a couple quick flicks of the wheel and send people out of their seats. It felt like the boat was on rails. For the tubers out there, the boat power turns very well. We had some fun out in old river and spun a couple donuts on the way back to the docks.

Pulling a rider the boat got up onto plane quickly. The effects of a rider behind the boat are barely noticeable and there was no side to side pulling effect when a rider would cut out hard. Driving without perfect pass (oops), it was easy to maintain speed. When turning around to pick up the rider I would kill the throttle and go to an idle, no water came rushing up and over the sunpad. The boat also spun on a dime when idling making it easy to keep it in the path of your rider.



The X-Star handled both rough water (what little the Delta offered us that day) and other boats wakes with ease. I was surprised at how little I felt within the boat when crossing the good sized wake of another boat, it sliced through smoothly like butter. No jarring bounces or thuds, everything kept quiet with very little squeaks or rattles. The boat felt solid! A couple of times I tried to purposely take water over the bow and was unable to.

I have always liked the styling of the new X-Star and find it even more appealing in person then in photos. You know just by looking at it that some serious thought went into the design of the boat and that this boat means business. I find it has a very sporty look to it. It constantly received looks the entire time we were out. Starting with the bow, it is absolutely huge. 5 people can easily fit up there sitting in comfort, 2 when fully stretched out. With the bow filler cushion you could almost make a nice sized bed. The built in cooler up front drains nicely into the bilge. A folding ladder is available making the bow just as usable as the stern when hanging out on the water.

The center walkway has a nice two piece wind blocker that folds easily to the side, a big improvement over the typical cloth one that snaps in place and is a pain in the arse to keep taking on and off. I have always liked the solid plastic wind blocker in the Malibu’s but hated having to climb over it. The foldable design offers the same solid wind block with much easier passage. The folding front window now has a stainless steel latch to hold the window open which is much more solid and easier to use that the cloth strap. There is also no need to worry about the snaps on the strap scratching or marking the gelcoat when you forget to snap it back down while the window is closed.

As with the bow, the cabin is absolutely huge… so is the glove box. The seats are a little higher/deeper than typical, which I found makes for a more comfortable seating experience. The bench wraps all the way around the interior and back around behind the driver’s seat. The cockpit is nicely laid out and comfortable to use. Rising above the dash is the X-pod containing the speedometer, tachometer and perfect pass controls. The ballast tanks each have gauges allowing you to see roughly how full each tank is. I have two complaints about the dash. First is the carbon fiber trim. Don’t you just love how sporty fake carbon fiber trim makes things look! Everything from Civic’s to X-Star’s. Personally I would much rather see a sharp looking black graphite colored trim in place of the carbon fiber. Second is that the gauges are only available in yellow. The yellow looks good, but I would like to see an option for white gauges with black lettering.

Storage is amazing, partially due to the size of the boat. It easily passed the crippled wakeboarder crutch test (Jason’s crutches fit in all the compartments). The two bow side seats are hinged and fold up and back giving easy access to the storage below. There is an enormous carven behind the observers seat with plenty of room for a surfboard and a couple more wakeboards. It is actually possible (and easy) to crawl through the observers seat, under the glove box/windshield and out the front. The raised bench seats in the cabin also offer much deeper storage than typical.

With the KGB tanks built into the hull, you have full use of the rear storage compartments on either side of the engine. The compartments were deep and often referred to as changing rooms. One thing I would like to see is 12 volt lighter sockets inside each storage compartment. The only two sockets available are up front on the dash and inside the glove box making it a stretch when filling/draining fat sacs. With the dual batteries under one of the port passenger seats, it would be easy for an owner to wire this up themselves. The carpet in the X-Star is removable and held in place with snaps making it easy to remove and clean or if necessary replace.

Board racks have been re-designed for the 2004 models and are a big improvement over the short lived 2003 style racks. Two levers clamp the boards in place. There was also no problem with the rope getting caught in the racks while circling around to pick up the rider as has happened with the 2003 racks. Additionally, the position of the board racks makes it very easy to get your boards into and out of the racks. For those who need additional racks, I am told additional board racks are available through Mastercraft that fit onto the top of the tower. I’m not sure how easy or practical this is, especially with the bimini unfolded. I don’t foresee storage to be a problem in this boat, there is plenty of room in various storage compartments for extra boards.

I think the new X-Star isn't just about the wake.. You have to consider the entire package when purchasing. It's a really well rounded boat that delivers on all accounts..
Old    tattoobling            12-15-2003, 9:18 AM Reply   
Sean,

One quick question. What motor was in the X-Star you're talking about?
Old    aircanada            12-15-2003, 8:10 PM Reply   
Kaiser,

350HP MCX.. It had more than enough oomph to do the job. The sound of the engine at WOT was also pretty sweet. It purrs..
Old    wakelvr            12-15-2003, 9:42 PM Reply   
Which x-star are we talking about anyway? The new and old style are NOTHING alike IMO except for quality... To compare the new Star to a SAN is definitely comparing apples to oranges... The X2 in my opinion compares closer to a SAN.

If I had to choose between the X2 and Xstar, I would go with the 2. But to each it's own....
Old    norcal_99            12-15-2003, 10:34 PM Reply   
I cannot personally compare the artist formally known as the X-Star against a `03 or `04 X-Star because I've only seen the newer X on a trailer once at Ski World, and I’ve never seen it floating.

Therefore, I was talking about the former X.
Old    norcal_99            12-15-2003, 10:36 PM Reply   
I'm going to be testing the new X come spring. I like warm water.
Old     (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       12-16-2003, 8:30 PM Reply   
Michael, Rene is right. It is all a matter of personal preference.

If you are in the market, you need to test drive and ride behind both boats. Pay attention to the wake shape , size and firmness when you ride, have them pull you with the boat weighted and un-weighted. When you drive the boat, make sure that it tracks straight and feels right when you turn, doesn't chine lock when weighted, and handles the rough water (drive a few double-ups). Then check the workmanship/detail out. Did the boat rattle a lot when you went through the double up? How well does the hardware fit? Any flex to the tower? Check the amenities (sp?). Cockpit layout and size, storage, powersockets, stereo, instruments, etc. The last thing you should consider (besides price) is the dealer experience/warranty. Are you comfortable with the dealer? Do they have a good reputation? Did they explain what is covered and what is not? Did they show you the service dept?

My priorities for a good wakeboard boat are:

1. Wake
2. Driveablity
3. Workmanship
4. Amenities
5. Dealer


I have been fortunate enough to spend countless hours driving, riding in, and riding behind almost every wakeboard specific boat in production. That helped me with my decision, which was completely based on PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

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