Tindy

I know how some people classify the tindy as not being a grab at all.
Do you think that Kevin Henshaw is doing a grab in this.





I think that he has tons of style and this is a sick poked out grab.

What are your thoughts???

That first shot is mucho stylish. Tindy's can look sick if you poke them out, or else they look kind of lame.

Given the fact that if he poked that grab, whatever it is, out any harder the volume would go down on life and we would all be forced to wear hearing aids. I say that it is a grab because its all about the style.

The volume would go down on life?? Was Chuck Norris involved somehow?

well that grab boarders on tindy. tindy is behind the rear foot and that is even with the rear foot. i think it would look a teensy bit better if he brought his hand in a bit but its sick anyways. but mad props for not stink bugging it.

that actually may be considered a mute since he has some rotation on the grab, but sick none the less

"What are your thoughts???"

Someone needs to clean their sensor!

Who give a shiat...It looks sick.

I don't see how it could be a mute, but maybe a slob if he is doing a spin and not a shifty

If I could stick those I really wouldnt care what anyone thought - call it what ever you want those are stylie for sure!!!

Lzy

Yhea I think it is BS that the pictures don't run "legit" grabs. Who really cares if it is sick and looks different than what we have seen forever?

It is a tindy, but it looks better than my indy so who really cares!

looks cool, whatever it's called!

Just wondering. Why is the tindy not a legit grab? It seems that no one can give me a straight answer.

Im with you Greg, I have never understood why. So what if it is easier than putting your hand in 6 inches over in between your feet. I think that a Tindy can look pretty sick...

haha Dave, nice way to thrown Chuck Norris in the mix!

I "tindy" is not a legit grab because it cannot be done on a skateboard. Grabs come from skateboarding. There is no area on a skateboard to grab between you back foot and the tail. Hence tindy(part tail grab part indy grab, but really neither)

See, I hate that. I could give a F--K what a skateboarder can & can't do. If skateboarding had never been invented would we not grab our board? They can't do an Off Axis spin either, but we do them. Granted it is lazy and can look lame. Besides the above is borderline, the first one its impossible to tell where his hand is in relation to his foot and the second is right on his toes.

Everytime this arguement I always post this picture of Rob Struharik. Tindy glide poke to hell and back. I might like skateboarding if they could do this. hehe

this thread could go hand in had with the one from a few weeks ago about wakeboarding not getting respect from other boardsports.

you can do off axis spins in snowoarding as well. You don't see non-legit grabs in snowboard videos. So I don't think that's the best argument.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree just putting it out there

actually skateboarders can do off axis spins the same way snowboarders cork out their spins they just arent called off axis usually.
<img>http://www.espneventmedia.com/photos/2003/08/16/2.1061013138.jpg</img>
without skating or surfing who know if we really would grab, its not exactly a natural thing. you dont see gymnasts grabbing their feet as they do their flippy spinny things.

Ride the way you want, put YOUR style on it. The cream will always rise to the top regardless of this argument.

Then explain how you grab slob on a skateboard.

you don't

No more pics of slob grabs they are not legit.

I love the Tindy! I dont get why everyone hates on it. I get nervous to post pics cause I think that people will freak out about the tindy poke!


TINDY POKE FS 180 BOOYA!

That's a fun Trick Andy. Hard to get the weight back over your toes sometimes.

if you dont you but check so hard its retarded.

Tindy's are DOPE!! Skateboarders who say that all grabs come from skateboarding are lame.

Rock on Andy....when you gonna be in Cali?

Heavy-let'em have it.

"It's not legit cause you can't do it on a skateboard", yeah whatever.

Go skateboarding then.

wakeboarders are the only people who think tindy is a good looking stylish grab. personaly i think it looks like crap. a boned out indy looks 10 times better, hands down.

when it comes down to it, it just looks a little sloppy.

Of course if it is boned and tweaked it's still going to look sick(like Andy's above, very sick Andy!), but it would look better and cleaner if he slid that hand 6 inches further foward. IMO

greg w, I've said this about 100 times on here, but if you do your research, you'll find that a slob is a mute grab on a frontside air, meaning not only is it a direction dependent grab, but it's grabbed in between your feet.

snowboarding helped muddy that up, and wakeboaridng is even further from that original influence. I'm not saying it's good or bad, just commentary...

And I love henshaw's shot, and I wouldn't harsh it, but I actually don't like rob's shot at all. even it it were an actual indy...whatever, for my elitist piggish style tastes, I don't like it. but style is all relative!!!

exactly, its not that a tindy cant look good it would just look better if they grabbed it in the right spot.
if any anal skateboarders were into wakeboarding you'd have people on your ass about ltting your elbow hang between your knees on grabs and not tucking your knee in. But luckily most of those guys are far too core to be strapped into anything.
e-snow, what if he grabed it tail?

I think it would look worse indy. He would look like a pretzel reaching his arm to the inside of his rear knee.

Just jump, grab, and poke. It's stupid to criticize is hand being 4 inches one direction or the other.

Robby's shot is off the hooook. How can you not like that! It's sick!

J-Rod is right. That trick would have looked much worse had he grabbed indy between his knees, and the board would have had too much "rocket air" in it had he grabbed the tail. So, as it turns out, tindy was the only "legit" grab for that body position...imagine that.

It is all opinion. This argument seems like an attempt at trying to standardize style; which is impossible.

Look at how many completely different styles there are in wakeboarding, they are that way for a reason, not because they all sat around and said "no this looks better than that". From Danny Harf, to Josh Smith, to Randy Harris, to Collin W. I am glad they all stuck to their guns and did (are doing) things THEIR way.

If a skateboarder while doing 3,5,7,9 or 10 on a HALFPIPE is not off axis, then I dont know what is, they are totally off axis and they got to grab the board to keep there feet on it.

Fine Mr. Technicality, do they do flat spins then? Jesus I'm just trying to make a point that says "we are not skateboarding so get over it".

I know big heavy, I was just f-in with ya.

do they do flat spins then?
Ya but on the street course

The not so naked chef

"you'll find that a slob is a mute grab on a frontside air"
If this is in fact what you mean you are wrong. Mute is grabbed like indy but instead of your rear hand you use your lead and slob is also the lead hand but in front of your lead foot. Where did you get that info.?

You can only grab Tailfish, if its the first Thursday of the month and you made three left turns before strapping into your boots and are wearing shorts from a manufacturer that starts with the letter L. Phew I'm glad we cleared that up!

(Message edited by stephan on October 27, 2006)

I think my head just exploded. grabs are....whatever.

Every time I grab tindy the wheels on my wakeboard run over my fingers. . I have always liked just grabbing where ever lets you tweak out the board as much as posible for the trick I am doing. Sometimes this might end up being tindy but I have never competed so legit grabs really aren't important to me as long as it looks good. All three pics are sweet. nice style.

I agree with Scott after drinking the cool aid. Not only is it harder to grab that way, I think it looks "sloppy" otherwise. That being said, anytime you do something sick and tweaked it looks good...just not as good as it could. But, whatever, that's my opinion and I respect all of yours...but the cool aid's always waiting up here in Truckee...

Interesting that the real style masters (Collin Wright, Randy Harris, Keith Lyman, Captain OA, and others) don't grab tindy, tailfish, nosenchaly, or nelon too often. Some super good riders do (Harf, Murray, etc.), showing that Style is a different concept than Riding Ability.

Boca, there was a thread a month ago about how Randy Harris grabbed tindy 5 times in a photoset of about 20. And if people consider Collin Wright's style to be "better" than Harf's, they may need to get their heads checked.

kevin bird, my information comes from skateboarding. Wakeboarding and maybe snowboarding would tell you that a slob is outside of your feet (right in front of your front foot). But then again, wakeboarding doesn't really care if an indy is done on a backside air and a frontside indy doesn't actually exist.

Look beyond wakeboarding and find out the origins of these tricks and you'll find a lot of new information. It's enlightening, to say the least.

jeff vahler thats an ignorant statment."And if people consider Collin Wright's style to be "better" than Harf's, they may need to get their heads checked." yeah danny can ride and do some sick tricks but he can't grab worth a damn half the time. And as far a Collin goes yeah he has sick style.... how bout you go land a grabbed backside 7, i bet youll never do one.

let me guess what some of the responses will be- man, harf is sick his nuclear blind pete is the sickest bro.


and that shot of kevin is tindy, it looks awful.

a legit indy grab can look like crap, and a tindy can look cool.

Just because a grab is tweaked doesn't mean it looks good.

Vaaler - have you seen innuendo? Collin Wright's section is killer. so is Danny's.

if you take a turd, and put whipped cream, sprinkles, and maybe even a cherry on top, guess what....it's still a TURD!

Here is one of my favorite grab pictures. Simple, poked, and not stinkbugged.
i didnt really want to get into this but when J-rod said something about bringing your arms between your knees i had too. As long as we are on the whole "this this is how they do it in skateboarding" topic I figured I'd let you all that indy's are not supposed to be grabbed with your arm hanging between your knees. This would be whats known as a stink bug and it looks like s***. In skateboarding the way youre supposed to grab is with your arm on the outside of your knee and you bend your elbow and tuck your knee in a bit to get the grabs. Kinda hard to explain but look at the picture, arm outside the knee, grab between feet. I already know youre thinking wtf is he talking about thats not how youre supposed to grab. well actually it is and if you don't believe me ask e-snow cuz she knows more than anyone on this message board. But i know people are still gonna grab stink bug and people are still gonna grab tindy and its still gone look lazy and lame. I know people will still think they can look cool, ummm right whatever you say guys:/ I have just made the personal choice not to grab tindy or stink bug so my riding looks good.

man, harf is sick his nuclear blind pete is the sickest bro.

Nick, the least you could do is spell my name right; it's only two posts above your's. I never said anything about Wright's riding ability; he's one of my favorites. I'm just laughing at how people quantify "style". Danny Harf could do every single one Collin's tricks and most of them he'd be able to take bigger, spin later, grab longer and harder, and land smoother, but, because he doesn't hold his grab for 12 seconds on his mobe 5, he isn't considered a style guy. If Danny lived in California and toned down his riding about 300%--only doing what other people think looks good (apparently grabbed flatspin 3's and backside 180's are the only things worth doing on a wakeboard, and I'm sure Danny has a couple dozen variations of those)--he'd be considereg the style master. But he doesn't ride to look good for all you core purists; he rides for himself, and I respect that a whole lot more than people who "won't do a trick because they don't think it looks good." Stop trying to impress the people in the boat with your mad legitity, stop analyzing your pokes on the video camera, and just have fun.

so my profile shot is considered stink bugging because my arm drops down between my legs? I guess it might look a lil better if my arm wrapped around my back knee and I had more of a tuck knee, but I guess my pic is unstylish?
I think those shots of tindy are fine, and look great, I think more or less what we want to avoid is having beginners start grabbing the wrong way and forming bad habits, I am an advocate of good grabs and poking while trying not to rocket too much

Vaaler - you really really need to watch innuendo, and hear Danny and Collin talk about each other's style.

Hood - you really really need to change your profile picture.

I have watched Innuendo. They both have serious respect for each other's riding. What's your point? Where did I ever say Collin's style is bad? He's one of the most unique riders out there.

let's recap your statements:

---

quote:

And if people consider Collin Wright's style to be "better" than Harf's, they may need to get their heads checked.

---

---

quote:

Where did I ever say Collin's style is bad? He's one of the most unique riders out there.

---

---

quote:

But he doesn't ride to look good for all you core purists; he rides for himself, and I respect that a whole lot more than people who "won't do a trick because they don't think it looks good." Stop trying to impress the people in the boat with your mad legitity, stop analyzing your pokes on the video camera, and just have fun.

---

you're very outspoken, and opinionated, and your opinions are just that; opinions. Whether your opinion is wack or not, is regardless.

Where did I ever say Collin's style is bad?

where did I ever accuse you of calling Collin's style bad?

Proho is right--a tuck knee style of grab is much prefered over a stink bug grab.

And it kind of sucks to see people bitch about danny vs. collin. I just bought innuendo and it's actually a brilliant wakeboarding and wakeskating film. Originally I was like, Oh, five riders, neat. But when you watch it, you see that they brought together five different riders with distinct styles, and each rider makes their art form look good. I'm more into wakeskating nowadays, but I can sit through that entire film and be totally pumped and proud at how far things have come on both sides.

So with that said, I give innuendo two thumbs up.

Also, I'd be really surprised if a professional rider out there didn't want their riding to look good. If that were the case, I'd say they'd just given up...

e-snow - you nailed it. who doesn't want their riding to look good? it kind of bums me out that some people say they don't care how it looks.

wakeboarding is hard to explain. I stll really want people to look at my riding and say, "that looked cool!" but if there wasn't anyone there to say that, I would still ride, because 100% of the stuff that feels cool, looks cool.

That's also my point. If Kevin likes doing a tindy poked shifty, thinks it feels good (and probably looks good) why should he give a crap what I, proho, or Hood Rich (no offense) think? He's riding for himself, not trying to impress others how "core" he is.

chef, I'm not saying pros should just go out and try to spin as fast as they can and flip as many times as they can just to add another trick to their arsenal, but if they want to grab between their knees (like Lyman does a handful of times in Bent Felix, and it doesn't look "awful" or "sloppy") so it's easier to add another 180, let them. How boring would wakeboarding be if pro wakeboarders only did tricks that they could grab and hold in the half dozen or so "legit" positions. It would be almost as boring if they only concentrated on doing the craziest, gymnast-like tech tricks sans grabs. To me, variety is style.

Vaaler - I feel ya.

style is a matter of interpretation. what's cool to me, may be lame to someone else, and visa versa. that's just how it is.

I'm not here trying to harsh anyone on the stinkbug grabs, I'm just saying that proho is right on the subject (and whoever else mentioned it). I've seen articles in skate mags where they straight up rip on it. And yes, they do look sweet, but I also think aaron reed and thomas horrell make their riding look good, even though it's not striclty tuck knee grabs and whatever else. Part of it is just body positioning...

To me, style isn't necessarily a product of variety. To me, style is an expression of one's self, and when we're riding, i'll never be able to pretend to be you and you'll never be able to pretend to be me. When I do a grab I have my body position and mannerisms that make the trick mine. That's how ben greenwood, shaun murray, and greg nelson all make the same trick their own, and it's also how they're all uniquely different. And most will say that good style comes when you're not forcing it.

So with that said, I never subscribed to the argument of tindy's adding variety (I'm not sure if you're saying that specifically, or just the whole "grabbing in between your legs" thing). Like skating or snowboarding, it's easy enough to subscribe to basic style rules, while still making the trick your own. but that's just what I think, and I understand that you all have your own opinons.

And one last comment on the whole style thing--I think it's going to mean something different to a professional, or someone who really puts that extra effort (or touch of perfectionism--is that a word?) into their riding, vs the weekend warrior or the average joe who's just out there riding and not really caring. When you're riding for a living, and there's a crap load of riders at the same level you're at, style is what sets you apart from the next rider. So in professional riding, that's a HUGE reason why it's important. On another level, if they choose to accept the responsibiilty, it's also about how you're trying to promote your art, and if you're reaching for some greater good and a higher level of acceptance among other riders (including other boardsports).

Personally, i care about how my riding looks, and when I wakeskate, it's imperative that I pop my tricks and catch them high. Do I sound anal? Am I taking the fun out of my riding? Not for me (but I'll vote YES on the anal thing). For me, it's gratifiying to pop something high and catch it--that's the feeling I'm after and it's the aesthetic I go for. If I fall 20 times on it, whatever, at least I'm doing it my way.

And if your way is to ride up and down the lake and tindy all over the place, so be it. I just think pros should be held to a slightly different standard. Peace!

exactly, if it makes you feel good then fine, but when you start taking pictures and putting them one the internet or in magazines then you should start worrying about making it look good. If you didnt think your riding looked good or didnt care if it looked good you wouldnt be showing your pictures off. Of course youre not gonna grab every grab perfect every time, or tweak the stuff out of it, but you can pick and choose your pictures.

I agree with Nick V.

Just so you guys know where I stand on this topic...

Could I do the same trick grabbed tail? Yes, and I do on occasion, but I like the leverage I get tindy to really wrap the board up.

Evan, I think that grab looks DOPE!!!!

IMO Do what you want, Do what feels good, and have fun!! Don't let the grab nazi's tell you whats right and wrong! I think one of the cool things about our sport is that we can do tricks and grabs the way we want! How can you have you "own style" if ppl are running around telling you how to grab it! I can give a SH** what some lil punk skater kid thinks is ligit!! IM A WAKEBOARDER!!! NOT A SKATER!!!! If I wanted to have someone tell me what to do I would just stay at work. I wakeboard for me and know one else!! I will grab the board any way I want and do as many fashion airs as I want!! If you don't think its cool than don't watch me ride!!

So in the below picture is this a lame indy grab? Im left foot forward and doing a TS "Stinkbug Indy" Shifty. It's pretty much impossible to grab behind my knee on this one. It sure feels like a fun grab and here I found out it is sloppy and not legit. Dammit, back to the drawing boards.

Oh, and props to Antbug for a sick shot of a lame grab.

Evan, Big Heavy, those are the ugliest things I've ever seen. You should feel great shame.

seems kinda hypocritical to tell people to do what they want and grab whatever feels good and then get all defensive when someone states their opinions. I already know anyone this commited to grabbing tindy is not gonna change their ways and im not gonna rip on anyone else's riding because i don't have the skills to back it up. If you guys honestly think tindy's look better than indys or tail grabs and stinkbug grabs look better than a poked out, tuck knee grab, then why do you feel the need to defend yourself?

Evan's grab(s) look dope..........but my opinion is that they would look best if that hand was between his feet, but still keeping his same body position, knee tuck and all that ishnit.

Hood Rich.... hmm, for some reason I just don't like the way it looks to go indy shifty. I just don't think it looks natural to reach around your leg for it. When I change it up I usually go for the tail grab.

Sorry if I'm ignorant on this, but what's stinkbugging a grab. Anyone have pics to display the difference.

What that pic of Evan does not show is how he grabs it and pulls it around (almost like a bs slob) if you are in the boat watchin him ride it looks SO SICK!! Thats why I think it looks better with that grab.

Im not saying that a Tindy looks better than a Indy or the other way around. I just think ppl need to stop tripin about it and in joy! Who cares where there hand is on the board if it looks sick it looks sick!!!

I always thought you judged a grab by counting the guy's fingers, you guys are taking this to a whole new level!

Evan, I think stinkbugging is when you reach down with your A$$ all stuck up and out rather then bringing the board to your hand with the proper knee/leg flexation. Feel free to correct me if I'm completely wrong on that one.

come on guys get over yourselves,you all do not make the rules ,everybody wakeboards as an individual and does tricks the way they want too..
There are no rules just a set basic chart on what the names of the grabs are and where on the board to grab them after that its all personal preference to add whatever style you may want to..

people have no right to sit here and judge others negatively because they chose to do a grab or trick the they like too..

this is redicualous especially all you nonpro riders who are judging and comparing how a Pro is doing them and have the audacity to call it stinkbug,lame ,or lacks style..

Give it a break this sport is supposed to be fun and let riders choose to do tricks the way they want and YES even if they post pics of themselves doing some of the grabs the way you think is wrong, how about a no comment unless you have something nice to add ...


im out

I grab tindy all the time...but it doesn't look stylish. Then again, I grabbed nuclear once and it looked equally uncool. I was beginning to think it may be the rider, not the grab location, but I'm glad to hear that that's all crazy talk.

stinkbug is when your elbow is between on your knees on an indy/mute grab. the "proper" way to do them is with your elbow being just outside your knee. This gives more of a natural poke/tweak to the grab.

bill if the way a rider looked isnt important and we arent supposed to judge it than there would be no point to wakeboard videos and magazines.

GEEEZ that was the worse guess ever on my part!

Just remember slob grabs are no longer a legit grab.

I just want to back up E-snow on the mute/slob grab. she is right. Mute and slob are really the same grab, with a small difference in FS or BS, and the nose of a slob is usually pulled toward the rider.
So, although you really cant do a frontside air in wakeboarding, you can certainly pull up on a mute grag to make it slob.
for everyone saying "what does it matter where you grab" here is a question. what does it matter what graphic, or style of boot, or what new boat or any number of things that everyone does to give what they do there own style?
Do you ride a blank board with blank boots, with a blank rope, behind a stock boat with no graphics?

IMO, it really doesnt matter what joe blow is doing behind his boat, BUT the people that represent the sport, the pros getting PAID for those shots in the magazine should be respecting where the roots of the sport came from. If it wasnt for skateboarding, there would not even be wakeboarding. you would all be trickskiing. Skateboarding is the reason there is snowboarding and wakeboarding. therefore its only right to respect the roots and do things as they were inteded to be done when they were invented, long before tony finn tried to surf behind a boat
-end rant
-RUSSIAN

What about surfing?