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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-21-2018, 7:23 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ord27 View Post
I personally am tired of the corruption on both sides.
What scares me the most, are people like the Clintons , who are very skilled at lying...unlike Trump.
What you perceive as a lack of skill I see completely different. Trump's apparent lack of skill of lying is IMO a lack of concern about what others think. He doesn't care whether you believe him or not. His lying is nothing more than stonewalling. In business he got away with it because he held the purse strings. Now he gets away with it because of people like you.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-21-2018, 7:27 AM Reply   
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That actually got a laugh out of me, like audible.

Really? You honestly think President Trump isn’t skilled at lying?

I’m cool with that stance, if it’s where you are. I’m 100% sure I’m not going to agree with everyone with everything.
For once I actually agree with Trump being a "skilled liar". He is one of the ****tiest liars I have ever seen. Take for instance the 130 K payment to the porn star. One month he doesn't know anything about it, the next month he does. But his supporters don't give a crap that he blatantly lies; they counter it with a Hillary meme or something else that is irrelevant. Trump has realized that it doesn't matter to his backers when he lies, so why change?
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-21-2018, 9:45 AM Reply   
"people like me"....come on John.

I have no control over Trump. I have no control over any politician for that matter. Neither do you.

I would have preferred a different candidate to run against HRC, I even voted for someone else.......but I would vote Trump over HRC any day of the week, again and again

That doesn't mean that I approve of everything that he does

but again....they all lie and none of them care. Some are just better at the spin afterwards
Old     (deuce)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-22-2018, 8:20 PM Reply   
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What you perceive as a lack of skill I see completely different. Trump's apparent lack of skill of lying is IMO a lack of concern about what others think. He doesn't care whether you believe him or not. His lying is nothing more than stonewalling. In business he got away with it because he held the purse strings. Now he gets away with it because of people like you.
Guess that is where I was. Skilled lying isn’t really a thing at this level, right? It’s just lying and assume they won’t dig or just outright call you on it. Save the percent that falls through and you’re good. At this level, you speak and people scrutinize the information. If you’re lying, it isn’t “skilled” it’s just my story or yours.
Old     (deuce)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-22-2018, 8:25 PM Reply   
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"people like me"....come on John.

I have no control over Trump. I have no control over any politician for that matter. Neither do you.

I would have preferred a different candidate to run against HRC, I even voted for someone else.......but I would vote Trump over HRC any day of the week, again and again

That doesn't mean that I approve of everything that he does

but again....they all lie and none of them care. Some are just better at the spin afterwards
So, you support President Trump in this current situation, it’s all good? You see nothing you’d like to question? If this was flipped, you’d be okay?

I don’t want “They all lie” “ it’s politics”. If this was President Obama or HRC, would you be chitting bricks, I say that with all honesty. Hope you answer in kind.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-22-2018, 11:43 PM Reply   
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Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-23-2018, 5:34 AM Reply   
Words of a stable genius right there.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-23-2018, 2:59 PM Reply   
^^^He "talks" a big game, but when it comes down to negotiating he is a big political puzzy. It was the same routine, almost the same words to KJU. Then he goes to the photo op and spouts "our nuclear problem in NK is over" (As KJU continues to work on nukes).

I dont see trump as a skilled liar. He lies for many reasons, one because he knows he can get away with it (at least from his base/cult). He lies because its how he has always been, he does it to get what he wants (like a child) and he probably is almost unaware its happening...at least until he is called out. He lies because he thinks we are dumber than he is. He lies to boast. He lies to belittle and bully (funny, what is his wifes program about?)He lies because in his business life the people around him were afraid to call him out. He lies to cover his steps. He is pre-computer age, He forgets we have the ability to fact check, look up his previous statements and catch him on most of them. I wonder how Melania is feeling these days. Have we ever had a Whitehouse divorce? Everyone has always known he was lying about MacDougal and Daniels...but now its crammed in her face. Having your husband and his whores front page everyday must suck, wonder how the dinner conversations sound? Trumps attys released (leaked) the info on the Cohen tapes so they could put their spin on them before the people hear the truth.

Trump cannot continue to run the country like a monarch or like he ran his business. When you run the USA you cant stop paying your people or lock them out. You cant keep pissing off allies and hoping for 3 wins out of 10 deals, You cant fake the financials, cheat on your taxes or obtain Foreign $$ when your credit is bottom of the barrel. You cant just BK the country and start over. This isn't a real businessman, this is a con man that when he was just thedonald he could make a good living on loosing 6 out of 10 deals....Cause those wins were big. They were also very, very dirty. And hey, If you are not paying taxes, its easier to win bigley. Electing this particular "businessman" was a mistake.

You gotta quit blaming the media, thats just too FOX. Do you really think 85% (whatever, pick your number) is all colluding together, reporting fake news in order to destroy trump? How did they get the media from around the world enrolled in the DEEP STATE CONSPIRACY? His Helsinki performance (as was his NATO performance and UK visit) were universally Damned by almost every country, newspaper and news organization in the world. When 85% of the WORLD is calling you out on your behavior, maybe you should consider it possibly the truth. OR does it make more sense to believe the guy that even his most adamant fans admit he is always lies. So do we believe the compulsive liar? or 85% of the world, the media and the people of the USA?

I couldn't vote for Clinton or Trump. They were both big time flawed. Moving forward we really need much better candidates. The GOP has outlined their strategy over the last 18 months and what they are willing to sacrifice to get it(everything, including their morals and souls). The Dems need to figure out who they plan to be and what they support. They should have been more forward thinking re appointing judges and the like. GOP got right to these things as soon as they got the keys....Cheers, Here is to trying to take the country back to the 70's. EYEROLL

Hey, I didn't even bring up Russia.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-23-2018, 4:12 PM Reply   
You guys have some serious TRUMP Derangment syndrome!

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...226-story.html
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-24-2018, 5:06 AM Reply   
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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-24-2018, 11:15 AM Reply   
It’s ok little kiddies, things will be ok. Keep getting excited, run to your safe spaces, protest, resist, march, and throw tantrums. Keep pushing to Impeach. The world will keep spinning,
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 11:45 AM Reply   
In all honesty duece......

I'm not happy with how Trump handles himself. I wish that he would keep his mouth and tweets shut.
But, there are some things that he's trying to fix, that a politician wouldn't even begin to address. I like what he's trying to do and honestly feel that the media would not be anywhere near as aggressive if a democrat did, said, or handled things the same way.

That being said

Yes, I would be bitching and moaning about a demorat
Why?

Because I feel, to the core of my old bones, that they get a pass. They get a pass (by comparison) from the media, and from Hollywood.
I believe that Hollywood has an open mike to promote, dismiss, support whomever they want. I find that to be completely lopsided and unfair.

Most of my friends and circle feel the same way. I believe that fox news would have never existed, if Hollywood and the other news outlets were anywhere near remotely un-bias.

Fox news and even Trump being elected, is/was a direct result of years of political and media BS

So yes, I will sit back and watch the ****storm without complaining, because I hope that the end result is....less politics in politics.....along with a long list of specific issues being solved/resolved
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       07-24-2018, 11:54 AM Reply   
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You guys have some serious TRUMP Derangment syndrome!

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...226-story.html
Grant, you do understand what an "opinion piece" is right?
No facts just some jackass's opinion.
Hey I shouldn't complain at least it wasn't a Brietbart "article".

The facts are clear, Trump is a crap lair but his followers are so blind, stupid, and ignorant of basic facts that he could ass F them and tell them he's curing their prostate and they would cheer.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-24-2018, 12:19 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ord27 View Post
In all honesty duece......

I'm not happy with how Trump handles himself. I wish that he would keep his mouth and tweets shut.
But, there are some things that he's trying to fix, that a politician wouldn't even begin to address. I like what he's trying to do and honestly feel that the media would not be anywhere near as aggressive if a democrat did, said, or handled things the same way.

That being said

Yes, I would be bitching and moaning about a demorat
Why?

Because I feel, to the core of my old bones, that they get a pass. They get a pass (by comparison) from the media, and from Hollywood.
I believe that Hollywood has an open mike to promote, dismiss, support whomever they want. I find that to be completely lopsided and unfair.

Most of my friends and circle feel the same way. I believe that fox news would have never existed, if Hollywood and the other news outlets were anywhere near remotely un-bias.

Fox news and even Trump being elected, is/was a direct result of years of political and media BS

So yes, I will sit back and watch the ****storm without complaining, because I hope that the end result is....less politics in politics.....along with a long list of specific issues being solved/resolved
Do you honestly feel there is really "less politics in politics"? I mean we heard the whole "Drain the Swamp" rhetoric from the campaign and Trump then proceeded to fill his cabinet with people from the "swamp". The ones that were not from the "swamp" didn't last too long in their roles.

It's funny that you attack media "bias", yet you defend Fox News which is the most biased network on cable TV.

And a serious question. What would your reaction have been if President Obama would have stood in front of the world and said he took the word of an enemy over US intelligence agencies? Do you really approve of Trump buddying up with Putin and Kim and insulting the leaders of our longtime allies? Because if $h!t hits the fan, I can promise you we will not be able to count on Russia and North Korea.

Trump is as much a part of Hollywood as anyone out there.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-24-2018, 12:22 PM Reply   
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Grant, you do understand what an "opinion piece" is right?
No facts just some jackass's opinion.
Hey I shouldn't complain at least it wasn't a Brietbart "article".

The facts are clear, Trump is a crap lair but his followers are so blind, stupid, and ignorant of basic facts that he could ass F them and tell them he's curing their prostate and they would cheer.
Grant reminds me a lot of my brother-in-law and other diehard Trumpsters. They refuse to admit when Trump makes a mistake. They immediately pull the "MSM" or "Fake News" card. I mean, you can support a politician without agreeing with every move they make. I supported President Obama, but I certainly did not agree with every decision he made during his presidency.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 12:58 PM Reply   
wake
I do support Trump's meetings with Kim and Putin. I would have supported Obama and Clinton's too.

I didn't like him trashing our intelligence community, but I understand it. Trump seems frustrated with the media, FBI, and other outlets. He doesn't have the filter to keep his mouth shut, while he honestly believes that these outlets and agencies are bias and corrupt.

and No, I don't think that there are less politics currently, but I hope that there will be going forward

I don't necessarily defend what Fox news reports on, or how it is reported, but I do support an outlet that at least tries to keep the slant of CNN and MSNBC, et al. in check

I do believe that if Obama or Clinton would have been publicly critical of our intelligence community, while at a foreign summit, the media would have given them a pass, and a full scale no BS probe would have been launched. Every Hollywood bimbo with a mic would have been calling for the heads of agents, even without an investigation

To state that Trump supporters are gullible and stupid, just shows that democrats are still missing the boat as to why Clinton lost. To a man, every republican that I know (that I've discussed issues with) didn't vote for Trump because they thought that he would be the greatest President of all time.

This seems to fall on deaf ears
Old     (deuce)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-24-2018, 1:47 PM Reply   
ord27,
I do appreciate the civil dialogue & the response.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 1:49 PM Reply   
same
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-24-2018, 2:50 PM Reply   
There is a reason why people hypothesize about "if Obama had done it, the media would have given him a pass". It's because it would be uncharacteristic of Obama to have done any of that dumb crap that Trump does. So you can only discuss it in your imagination. That's the kind of President we need. One where you can only talk about how big an idiot the President is in the hypothetical.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 3:01 PM Reply   
no doubt Fly, but I am always going to have to vote in favor of the republican ideology and/or against the democrat ideology
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 3:11 PM Reply   
and here is what bothers me much more than what bothers you about Trump. I believe wholeheartedly that what went on, and is going on, is exactly what this article suggests.

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...investigation/
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-24-2018, 3:19 PM Reply   
How do you feel about the way trump is handling the EPA?
How about an opinion on Ryan Zinke Sec of Interior and his work?
Are you enjoying all that extra cash from the Biggest tax cut in history?
An opinion on trumps removal of Obamacare and his much much better insurance for all much much cheaper than Obamacare?
Trumps handling of CFPB (consumer and financial protection bureau)?
Is Jeff Sessions moving the country forward?
How about Betsy DeVos, head educator.
Do you support the conservative SCOTUS pics if they eventually overturn Roe? Brown V. Board of Ed? Nixon V. USA?
I find there is very little I agree with what the trump administration is doing.

As far as the guy. I have disliked trump since the 80's when he was a regular on Howard Stern.

What is the republican ideology? I cant see it, the deficit is standing in the way.

I tried to avoid making fun of trump, fox news and any Russia crap.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 3:34 PM Reply   
lots to answer. I'm muti- tasking so I might have to respond later to most of it.

Abortion, like marriage (same sex, multi partner...etc) ough to be between you and your God. It should be removed from the tax code and the government should stay out of it. No party is addressing this because that becomes to political. That's my point from earlier

Obamacare was a disaster from the beginning. We all saw it coming. The real issues were never addressed (cost of drugs and services...tort reform). So Pandora's box has been opened. Trying to close it will be messy. I don't blame those trying to fix it, I blame those that put the awful thing in place. They screwed the pooch

SCOTUS , I honestly haven't done much reading on the subject. I do , however, feel like the Obama administration and the current far left, have damaged and weakened our 3 branches of checks and balances. I think that legislating from the Bench and the Oval office, while nicked by even Republican Presidents has gotten out of control. I feel like a democrat in power would take us even further down that rabbit hole

ideology.....neither actually practice old school ideologies.
but,

being pulled away. I will answer later
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       07-24-2018, 3:49 PM Reply   
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no doubt Fly, but I am always going to have to vote in favor of the republican ideology and/or against the democrat ideology
Why, what is it about Republicans that will keep you both in that way?
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 4:15 PM Reply   
well, quickly
I'm self employed. I climbed the ranks since I was 12
I started washing dishes, now I own multiple restaurants.

I am a corporation

I don't want the government telling me how much to pay, what benefits, and how much I can keep

In a nutshell, the democrats want to vilify the corporation, and " penalize" me the more successful I become. They also turn the other way as social benefits get abused. i see people scamming the system daily

The republicans traditionally want me to reap and keep my rewards

I'm the one the took the risks, have the burns, was kept away from my family. I should be able to keep the rewards

I should also be able to pass those rewards down without excessive penalties, after I die. My family made sacrifices too

sorry....actually cooking now for 300 people
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 4:24 PM Reply   
I also believe that the democrats want to lower the standards of nearly everything, to the lowest common denominator. I think that's a mistake. I think that it has diminished down our education system.

I think that removing or vilifying the privileges of one group, in order to elevate another group, is the wrong approach. This, I believe is what the left does...
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-24-2018, 4:27 PM Reply   
Did Obama, Brennan And Clinton Illegally Collude To Take Trump Down?
1. This is an editorial.
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7/23/2018
Russia Investigation: As the saying goes, a fish rots from the head down. Well, so do bad governments. Recent revelations about the behavior of President Obama and his CIA director John Brennan in pushing the bogus Russian collusion investigation suggest that's been the case.




The release of the FISA application by the FBI to investigate alleged collusion between Russia and President Trump's campaign and recent comments made by top officials are eye opening.
Not only did President Obama know about the investigation, he seems to have pushed it from the very beginning.
But don't take our word for it. Here's what Obama's Director of National Intelligence, the nation's former spy master, James Clapper, told CNN's Anderson Cooper:
"If it weren't for President Obama we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set up a whole sequence of event which are still unfolding today, including Special Counsel (Robert) Mueller's investigation. President Obama is responsible for that. It was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place."

The FISA warrants go thru a very high level of checks and require plenty of evidence to get approved. These FISA's were approved by 4 different Republicans that were appointed by Republican presidents.


Why didn't this get more attention in the media? Obama and Brennan not only knew the dubious nature of the allegations against Trump, but pushed them anyway.
As Kimberley Strassel wrote in the Wall Street Journal, Brennan in particular has revealed himself to be a total anti-Trump partisan to an extent that's shocking for a public official. His animus is raw and deep, as his actions suggest.
"The record shows (Brennan) went on to use his position — as head of the most powerful spy agency in the world — to assist Hillary Clinton's campaign (and keep his job)," Kimberley Strassel wrote last week in the Wall Street Journal.
If Dems wanted to assist Clinton, Why did they not release ANY info on Trump being under investigation? They had the Dossier, Trump had been under Investigation since July 2016 but they did not do what the author suggests.
Brennan's manic partisanship could be seen last week in an over-the-top, bizarrely unhinged tweet following Trump's press conference after his mini-summit with Vladimir Putin. Brennan called Trump's remarks "nothing short of treasonous" and said they exceeded "the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' "
Russia Scandal: Did Hillary Clinton Run FBI's Trump Investigation?
Brennen was not a minority, The overwhelming public opinion was Trump F'ed up.
While Brennan's hate for the GOP nominee may be public now, it wasn't in the summer of 2016. His evidence for collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia was so weak neither the FBI nor Clapper would commit to it.
Knowing his role as CIA head forbade him from intervening in domestic spying and trying to take the investigation from a low simmer to a high boil, Brennan got the ball rolling in August of 2016 by telling thenformer Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid a tale of Russians interfering in our election on Trump's behalf.
It worked. Pushed on by Brennan, Reid, then the most powerful person in Congress, wrote a letter to FBI Director James Comey citing "evidence of a direct connection" between the Trump campaign and seeking an investigation.
Please, Trump was under investigation since July 2016. And Comey kept silent about trump under investigation yet tossed Hillary to the wolves. Not only was her investigation public, 11 days before the election he called a press conference and said Clintons (Weiner laptop) emails were now under investigation. WTF, How did Comey harm trump?
Not only did Brennan share intelligence with the FBI, but soon after, the Democrat-linked opposition research firm Fusion GPS began leaking the "Trump Dossier" to the media. The fix was in.

FusionGPS, the company responsible for the dossier was originally hired by GOP to investigate then candidate trump, they didn't trust him. Once he became the GOP front runner they quit paying Fusion GPS. At this time the DNC hired FusionGPS. Why isn't it a GOP bought and paid for dossier.
As the release late last week of the FBI's FISA court application used to spy on former Trump aide Carter Page indicates, the dossier was used extensively for the application. That's contrary to what the FBI had maintained.
Except for the fact Carter Page had been under FBI investigation since 2013, Trump hired the guy who was being investigated for his ties to Russia, How is that the fault of a democrat? Paul Manafort was also under investigation prior to his role with trump. Why did trump hire a guy with the Russian history?
Moreover, an influential article written by Michael Isikoff detailing the dossier's contents and Harry Reid's letter to the FBI were likewise used to get approval for the FISA court application. Again the FISA's were signed by 4 Republicans, appointed by Republican presidents. The FISA's are backed by pages of documentation
What do they all have in common? They all go back to the same phony dossier, written by former British spy Christopher Steele for Fusion GPS. It was never verified or validated by the FBI. It was bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton and her pals at the Democratic National Committee, solely to smear Trump.
The dossier has played out to be accurate throughout most of it, ZERO if any has been DISPROVED. Your que to watch for is things like "phony dossier" "Clinton bought and paid for" "Democrat linked dossier" these are Sean Hannity quote worthy
The FBI Misled The Court To Wiretap Trump Campaign, FISA Application Shows
Misled? How? The FISAs have been released. The facts are there.
Give Hillary credit: She was adept at insinuating her phony oppo research document into the public record and at using it to weaponize U.S. intelligence agencies on behalf of her failed campaign.
Clinton did not release the dossier, Buzzfeed got a copy. Why is it phony? She had the dossier BEFORE the election. Why does author state "failed campaign"? oops
But then, we all knew this had happened. What's stunning is the casual way Clapper let us know that President Obama "was responsible" for the whole shebang.
If that's so, there are really only two possibilities:
One, that a gullible Obama was fed phony information from Brennan and the Hillary Clinton campaign. He then over-reacted by tasking the intelligence community to look into it.Fake news, what phony info? Steele, who wrote the dossier was a 20 year MI6 vet and had worked with the FBI multiple times. As he reported on what was going on, who trump was hiring, he reported to the FBI as all law enforcement officers would.
Or, two, that Obama knew he was dealing with tainted information. Instead of halting a bogus investigation, he let Brennan carry it forward. Why? He thought it would help elect Hillary Clinton — and cement his own presidential legacy for posterity.
Or 3, The Russians sabotaged our election and we were going to get to the bottom of it. Again, what tainted info? It has proved true and correct
At a minimum, what seems obvious is that the deep state triad of Obama, Clinton and Brennan colluded.You mean they had info indicating there may be issue in the trump campaign and they requested investigation? They did it to damage Trump's campaign with allegations of Russian interference in the election. And they got the FBI and, later, a special prosecutor, to conduct a high-profile investigation.
This is what we do when we suspect foul play
Such collusion, if only in the political sphere, wouldn't be a crime. However, using federal assets and personnel and misrepresenting what you're doing to a FISA court to influence an election are crimes. Felonies, in fact.
Investigation Without End
The investigation of Trump is now entering its third year with nothing to show for the effort.
Yeah, I guess if you count 30 indictments and 5 guilty pleas and his campaign managers trial starts July 30. Yeah, nothing
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-24-2018, 4:28 PM Reply   
We don't know if there'll be some kind of sweeping indictment released by Mueller just before the midterm elections, but given the degree of politicization of this investigation so far it wouldn't surprise us at all.
But instead of investigating Trump, shouldn't we investigate those who subverted our democracy for rank partisan purposes to influence a presidential election? That's Obama, Brennan and Clinton.
A foreign power attacked or Democracy and election, we investigate where the facts lead
Questions abound: Did they plan this? Who coordinated it all? Did they do it all with a nod and a wink to keep it clean? Or did they meet and discuss it? Or did it all come together at the insistent prodding of a virulently anti-Trump Brennan? America needs to know.
Removing security clearances for those in the Obama administration who lied or were guilty of misconduct and political bias would be a minimum. These crimes, if real, are bigger than Watergate.
The only real question is whether our justice system is too compromised to bring those who committed real crimes, not imaginary ones, to justice. And whether our equally compromised and biased media are capable of reporting it.

Seriously I hope you dont believe all this propaganda. These Conspiracy theories are laughable. Very little research stops them in cold as they just dont make any sense. The Phony, Clinton bought and paid for...blah blah just gets trump cult drooling. There is a slight, tiny fraction of truth that they blow completely out of proportion and then drive off a cliff of emotional falsehoods. The whole trump defense is coming up with ways to blame Clinton or Obama, BTW, both are not in any type of power, running for office nor do they say much. Trump team keeps bringing them up because they need a foe to bang on that they can all ralleye around.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 4:33 PM Reply   
I believe that the democrats are absolute experts and spin and avoiding getting caught in the crosshairs.

I believe the Clintons to be the absolute definition of corrupt

If that makes me a "Trumptard" I guess I will try to keep keepin on

and, if history proves that Trump is guilty of all that he's accused of, I hope that he's punished, and that every politician on both sides is held accountable for everything....always

I just don't think that this translates to the left of the isle. I really really don't
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-24-2018, 4:48 PM Reply   
but look guys, I mentioned what is my primary political motivation. It has to do with business and estate.

I care about other things, of course, but not enough to carry the banner for very many political figures (with regard to these other issues)
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-24-2018, 4:52 PM Reply   
It’s great that you people with no life other to read conspiracy theory’s about TRUMP & Pee Pee and Russian hooker & collusion have somthing to do. It’s like a Mexican Soap Opera! And you liberal Loons write the script LOL LOL

I just come here to kick you idiots
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       07-24-2018, 7:13 PM Reply   
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but look guys, I mentioned what is my primary political motivation. It has to do with business and estate.

I care about other things, of course, but not enough to carry the banner for very many political figures (with regard to these other issues)
With estate, Trump has done you well (assuming your are leaving over 5mill to your kids).

As far as business goes I hope you evalute this on results. How your business did over the past 8 years vs how it does over the next 4 to 8.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-24-2018, 8:11 PM Reply   
Brilliant. This is republican fiscal policy in a nutshell (note republican, not conservative).

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/24/polit...are/index.html
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Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-24-2018, 9:30 PM Reply   
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Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-25-2018, 5:38 AM Reply   
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It’s great that you people with no life other to read conspiracy theory’s about TRUMP & Pee Pee and Russian hooker & collusion have somthing to do. It’s like a Mexican Soap Opera! And you liberal Loons write the script LOL LOL

I just come here to kick you idiots
The only "idiot" here is you.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-25-2018, 10:10 AM Reply   
Dear: liberal Loons think of TRUMPs presidency as a day to day different chapter in a Harry Potter book, that should keep you geeks happy & entertained. I bet most of you like the Show “The Big Bang Theory” that would explain a lot.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-25-2018, 10:49 AM Reply   
bahahahaha Trump and his buttboy Giuliani whining about ethics? Classic!
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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-25-2018, 3:34 PM Reply   
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I believe that the democrats are absolute experts and spin and avoiding getting caught in the crosshairs.
If you want to see how a real pro does fake news/spin...take a few minutes and see what is actually being done. Well worth a few minutes. I am curious what you think.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...ist=associated
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-25-2018, 3:43 PM Reply   
Cliff, you can start at the 3 minute mark in the video.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-25-2018, 6:15 PM Reply   
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Dear: liberal Loons think of TRUMPs presidency as a day to day different chapter in a Harry Potter book, that should keep you geeks happy & entertained. I bet most of you like the Show “The Big Bang Theory” that would explain a lot.
It must be really hard to function day-to-day with your head stuffed up your a$$.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       07-25-2018, 7:42 PM Reply   
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I just come here to kick you idiots
Reading these comments remind me of a special Olympic event I went to where the Autistic kids and the Down syndrome children were calling each other names. The Autistic kids were laughing and pointing at the Down syndrome kids and yelling at them, "your retarded"! Then, the Down syndrome kids would yell back at the Autistic kids "your stupid"!
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-25-2018, 7:48 PM Reply   
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Reading these comments remind me of a special Olympic event I went to where the Autistic kids and the Down syndrome children were calling each other names. The Autistic kids were laughing and pointing at the Down syndrome kids and yelling at them, "your retarded"! Then, the Down syndrome kids would yell back at the Autistic kids "your stupid"!


And you were all like “they don’t even know the difference between your and you’re!”
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-25-2018, 9:36 PM Reply   
95, I could only watch 11 minutes of it until I threw up in my mouth a bit. I can't stand her. She is part of the problem

The first part of the piece, with actual meeting video. I viewed it as Putin answering the first half of the question only. Did you want Trump to win....yes yes.

I don't think that he answered the second half.

I see nothing wrong with him saying that he wanted Trump.

If he, indeed, answered both halves of the question. I don't have a problem with that either. Governments have supported particular candidates across the globe forever. I, however would be surprised that Putin would be that sloppy with his answer.

The second half of the 11 minutes, she misses the boat, I think, and infers that Trump sees a different reality, or thinks the public is stupid.

I don't see it that way. I think Trump, certainly being a tv personality, knows that the majority of the news and media are against him, tries to minimize (sometimes) what can be used against him. He also tries to put up a certain vibrato with his tweets and comments........and fails miserably with it.

That is what I mean by saying that the democrats are masters at it

If TRump would stop caring about MSNBC and CNN, he might stop or minimize what I perceive to be damage control, and actually net a more positive result



For me, it'd be nice to see any of the outlets to say....Trump has met with 2 of the world's 3 "crazy" leaders, and now he's challenged the 3rd.....he certainly has a more ambitious global agenda than any recent President. This scares me a bit, or..it's about time that we flex a bit. Perhaps peace through strength. Then have people run for office on whether they believe in peace through diplomacy, strength or both.
Stop the slander and the side show
I have no doubt that you will disagree with how I saw it

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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-26-2018, 5:30 AM Reply   
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95, I could only watch 11 minutes of it until I threw up in my mouth a bit. I can't stand her. She is part of the problem
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I have no doubt that you will disagree with how I saw it
We are definitely on opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I cannot possibly agree with you more. Maddow is chicken little and every single show the sky is falling. She is completely tinfoil hat IMHO. Can't stand her either. If ever she has something meaningful or important to say, I won't be able to hear it through all of the conspiracy B.S. She's really no different from Hannity or Laura Ingram in my eyes.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-26-2018, 6:40 AM Reply   
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95, I could only watch 11 minutes of it until I threw up in my mouth a bit. I can't stand her. She is part of the problem

The first part of the piece, with actual meeting video. I viewed it as Putin answering the first half of the question only. Did you want Trump to win....yes yes.

I don't think that he answered the second half.

I see nothing wrong with him saying that he wanted Trump.

If he, indeed, answered both halves of the question. I don't have a problem with that either. Governments have supported particular candidates across the globe forever. I, however would be surprised that Putin would be that sloppy with his answer.

The second half of the 11 minutes, she misses the boat, I think, and infers that Trump sees a different reality, or thinks the public is stupid.

I don't see it that way. I think Trump, certainly being a tv personality, knows that the majority of the news and media are against him, tries to minimize (sometimes) what can be used against him. He also tries to put up a certain vibrato with his tweets and comments........and fails miserably with it.

That is what I mean by saying that the democrats are masters at it

If TRump would stop caring about MSNBC and CNN, he might stop or minimize what I perceive to be damage control, and actually net a more positive result



For me, it'd be nice to see any of the outlets to say....Trump has met with 2 of the world's 3 "crazy" leaders, and now he's challenged the 3rd.....he certainly has a more ambitious global agenda than any recent President. This scares me a bit, or..it's about time that we flex a bit. Perhaps peace through strength. Then have people run for office on whether they believe in peace through diplomacy, strength or both.
Stop the slander and the side show
I have no doubt that you will disagree with how I saw it
You missed the whole point of why he wanted you to watch that clip. It had nothing to do with Rachel Maddow. It has to do with the WH omitting the part of the reporter's question asking Putin if he wanted Trump to win the election. That part of the question is missing from the official WH transcript of the meeting. She then says that is not necessarily unusual. She then shows the official recording of the Helsinki press conference from the WH. The video was altered to omit the same part of the question. That is not usual.

I actually applauded Trump when he announced the visit to NK until I found out that he and Kim would not be discussing human rights conditions in NK. That should've been at the top of the list of items to discuss. How can you trust a leader with regards to nuclear weapons when he subjects the people of his country to starvation and torture? Trump made a mistake by agreeing to NK's demand of ceasing annual military exercises with South Korea.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-26-2018, 7:31 AM Reply   
I see your point wake. There's really not much to say. There is no disputing that the job is WAY to big for him and most of his staff.
Sarah Sanders is actually doing a decent job. That would be a miserable, impossible job in today's world
I do think that : health care, immigration, trade, even distribution of UN responsibility (not a fan of the UN), rising cost of education, tax reform, term limits, removal of pork from bills.....etc. All need some attention. Most politicians pander, avoid or vote for personal gain. I hope that, going forward, we have leaders that aren't puppets to the political machine.




I've really got nothing today. Sorry
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-26-2018, 7:39 AM Reply   
for example: to me, there are only 2 camps when it comes to immigration. Either you believe that this country/our economy can handle ALL that want in, or you think that it can't.
I (no surprise) think that it can't

So
I am in favor of securing the border, stop the flow, decide how many to allow in every year, spell out specific requirements, reduce incentives for coming over (birther right, help economies of other countries....), remove undocumented criminals

grant amnesty to the remaining groups

Modify the laws to suit today's world

AND BE DONE!

Our politicians need to stop whining, avoiding the laws, and stop pandering to the heartstrings of the voters!!!!
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       07-26-2018, 7:58 AM Reply   
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And you were all like “they don’t even know the difference between your and you’re!”
Wow! Have you ever been to a special Olympics? That's about the last thing I was concerned about, that neither group could pronounce you're, but, keep on picking on everybody's grammar to make yourself feel better.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-26-2018, 8:07 AM Reply   
"Sarah Sanders is actually doing a decent job. That would be a miserable, impossible job in today's world"

Selling your soul to spin Trump's lies is a miserable, impossible job. But Sarah seems up to it.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-26-2018, 11:08 AM Reply   
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I see your point wake. There's really not much to say. There is no disputing that the job is WAY to big for him and most of his staff.
Sarah Sanders is actually doing a decent job. That would be a miserable, impossible job in today's world
I do think that : health care, immigration, trade, even distribution of UN responsibility (not a fan of the UN), rising cost of education, tax reform, term limits, removal of pork from bills.....etc. All need some attention. Most politicians pander, avoid or vote for personal gain. I hope that, going forward, we have leaders that aren't puppets to the political machine.




I've really got nothing today. Sorry
I agree with your "puppets" comment. However, as long as there is strictly two-party system in this country, I don't see things changing. I just don't know how we came to the point where disagreeing on some things became such a bad thing. You can support a political candidate without supporting every thing they do.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-26-2018, 11:20 AM Reply   
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for example: to me, there are only 2 camps when it comes to immigration. Either you believe that this country/our economy can handle ALL that want in, or you think that it can't.
I (no surprise) think that it can't

So
I am in favor of securing the border, stop the flow, decide how many to allow in every year, spell out specific requirements, reduce incentives for coming over (birther right, help economies of other countries....), remove undocumented criminals

grant amnesty to the remaining groups

Modify the laws to suit today's world

AND BE DONE!

Our politicians need to stop whining, avoiding the laws, and stop pandering to the heartstrings of the voters!!!!
I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, however, I do not think that building a border wall is the solution. Let me explain. Over the past couple of years, people illegally staying after their Visa expires outnumber the people illegally crossing the US/Mexico border. A wall doesn't fix this issue. And if the incentive is great enough, a wall is not going to stop people from crossing.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-26-2018, 2:50 PM Reply   
Hey man, I didn't intend to make you sick. . Sorry I linked you to MSNBC, just (after watching) delete your browsing history. And I agree that its no big deal Putin agreed that he wanted trump.
As was pointed out, The pres and the white house is attempting to change official transcripts and official WH video library. The WH was alerted to their error and continue the fraud. It continues on with the missing Wiki pages on current Russian spy and her American co-hort. How does Wikipedia get deleted? (My guess, Russian hacking) She continues with trumps tweet last week that He is concerned Russia will meddle in 2018 election and that they will be assisting Dems because Trump is too hard on them. (less than a week after trump stated he wanted trump to win) Moves on to his recent rally he states "Dont believe what you hear, dont believe what you see". Well he is creating the "Trump version" and that is now the OFFICIAL version of the truth.... it is verifiably a lie as we just saw what he did. How much more "Truth" is he CREATING? Next, she shows trumps tweeting an old 2010 Clinton interview that is off a Russian tv station. Who is sourcing him stuff from Russian TV? Trump and Russia are tweeting links to the same stories.
Trumps tweets are an outright lie, yet difficult to prove when the official version shows different. "Dont believe what you hear or see"??? This is straight out of George Orwells 1984. Only believe trump? When you know he is cooking the books. This is more than dirty politics. This is how Putin runs Russia.
The other issue I had with the Putin and KJU meetings was them meeting alone. There are reasons every big summit in history was attended by several authorities. They do it to protect us. Russia is now saying trump agreed to a bunch of things with Putin. Trump, to this day has not given an official accounting of the meeting, not even to the intelligence agencys. If Putin is lying about what happened in the meeting (and is that difficult to believe?) we have no way of knowing because its trumps word V. Putin. They could say he agreed to send the US Army to Syria, or Estonia or anywhere else. No one knows and we have to TRUST the guy that putin assisted into getting into office, the same guy that has a very difficult time with honesty, that same guy we KNOW who is burying the truth in official documents.

I felt sorry for Spicer. Huckabee knew going in. She is complicit, she knows trump is lying and lies to cover his lies. She lied about the WH version of the Helsinki meet up. Super difficult job, virtually impossible to do with morals.

To say there are only 2 ideas on immigration is untrue. Im not for open borders, nor a wall...in fact I agree with this clown...

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I am in favor of securing the border, stop the flow, decide how many to allow in every year, spell out specific requirements, reduce incentives for coming over (birther right, help economies of other countries....), remove undocumented criminals

grant amnesty to the remaining groups

Modify the laws to suit today's world

AND BE DONE!
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-26-2018, 8:03 PM Reply   
It's Orwellian for sure.
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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-26-2018, 10:43 PM Reply   
I guess you think the FBI and it’s special investigator was “ completely unbiased” as he claims!!! Funny what a bunch of hypocrites you all are. But it’s nothing surprising the Libra Tards are the party of Doubble Standards! So it’s no surprise that your Blasting sanders in a few posts up, for what you perceived is telling blaitant lies but at the same time you coddle & believe “Peter Paul Strzok” and he is one of the biggest liars. How many of you own Vagina hats?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-27-2018, 4:57 AM Reply   
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I guess you think the FBI and it’s special investigator was “ completely unbiased” as he claims!!! Funny what a bunch of hypocrites you all are. But it’s nothing surprising the Libra Tards are the party of Doubble Standards! So it’s no surprise that your Blasting sanders in a few posts up, for what you perceived is telling blaitant lies but at the same time you coddle & believe “Peter Paul Strzok” and he is one of the biggest liars. How many of you own Vagina hats?
No one lies more than Donald Trump. No one. You are too chicken$h!t to call him out on it.

Wow, who knew that FBI agents couldn't have political leanings? Replace Trump's name with Clinton's in the texts he sent and your Trumpsters would call him a patriot. You'd want to name streets after him.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-27-2018, 10:03 AM Reply   
Taking hypocrisy to new levels; Trump champion Hannity a few years back:




I imagine Hannity might articulate the same concerns about super-cheater Donald but it must be hard to do so with Don’s dick in his mouth...
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-27-2018, 11:10 AM Reply   
Wes: you are seriously triggerd. You should seek help for Your disorder before u end up on a clock tower with a high power rifle. That’s all we need is another off his rocker lib with a gun. And Trump Disorder!
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-27-2018, 11:40 AM Reply   
It’s like a monkey with a typewriter that just has 8 or 9 keys that read libtard, triggered, etc.

Except half the words are 1st grade spelling level...
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-27-2018, 12:19 PM Reply   
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I guess you think the FBI and it’s special investigator was “ completely unbiased” as he claims!!! Funny what a bunch of hypocrites you all are. But it’s nothing surprising the Libra Tards are the party of Doubble Standards! So it’s no surprise that your Blasting sanders in a few posts up, for what you perceived is telling blaitant lies but at the same time you coddle & believe “Peter Paul Strzok” and he is one of the biggest liars. How many of you own Vagina hats?
What did Strzok lie about?
Did you read the IG report?
Did you listen to the grilling he took from the senate?
Are you just parroting Hannity? Nice interview with Rosanne Barr last night.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-27-2018, 3:16 PM Reply   
Probably safe to say Grant has the same reading list XD

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/...ng-this-summer
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-27-2018, 4:07 PM Reply   
"Taking hypocrisy to new levels; Trump champion Hannity a few years back:"

No, back then he was just a regular guy. Now he's The Lord of the Idiots.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-27-2018, 4:44 PM Reply   
really 95sn. Did you just call me a clown?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-27-2018, 7:23 PM Reply   
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It’s like a monkey with a typewriter that just has 8 or 9 keys that read libtard, triggered, etc.

Except half the words are 1st grade spelling level...
I know. And he refuses to address the issue at hand.

Hey Wes, pesos just brought up that in 2008 Hannity said on his TV show, that if a man "cannot keep a promise to his family, to his wife, ... , how can I trust him to run this country?" Now he backs a man that has had at least two affairs without any reservation. Can you explain how that blatant display of hypocrisy and double-standards is not the least bit concerning to you? For once on this forum, act like you have higher than a third grade education.
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       07-28-2018, 4:37 AM Reply   
GDP at 4.1%, Europe removing tariffs, China will give in next, and the biggest issue with the economy is finding enough workers.

I'm pretty sure if Hillary won, we'd have none of those.

Personally, I don't like the guy, but he didn't get elected to be my friend.

I don't care whatever did or didn't happen with Russia. Is Russia a great country, no, but I think China is a greater threat to us. They do way more hacking and technology stealing. Plus, you think the us has ever had anything to do with other country elections?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-28-2018, 5:17 AM Reply   
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GDP at 4.1%, Europe removing tariffs, China will give in next, and the biggest issue with the economy is finding enough workers.

I'm pretty sure if Hillary won, we'd have none of those.

Personally, I don't like the guy, but he didn't get elected to be my friend.

I don't care whatever did or didn't happen with Russia. Is Russia a great country, no, but I think China is a greater threat to us. They do way more hacking and technology stealing. Plus, you think the us has ever had anything to do with other country elections?
Obama left the economy on solid footing. Trump is simply riding the wave. If Hillary would've won, I am almost positive the economy would be in similar shape.

You should have a problem with Trump standing on the world stage and saying that he trusts Putin more than Americans. You should have a problem with him trying to start crap with our longtime allies.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-28-2018, 5:18 AM Reply   
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I know. And he refuses to address the issue at hand.

Hey Wes, pesos just brought up that in 2008 Hannity said on his TV show, that if a man "cannot keep a promise to his family, to his wife, ... , how can I trust him to run this country?" Now he backs a man that has had at least two affairs without any reservation. Can you explain how that blatant display of hypocrisy and double-standards is not the least bit concerning to you? For once on this forum, act like you have higher than a third grade education.
I meant to say, "Hey Grant"...
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       07-28-2018, 6:10 AM Reply   
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Obama left the economy on solid footing. Trump is simply riding the wave. If Hillary would've won, I am almost positive the economy would be in similar shape.

You should have a problem with Trump standing on the world stage and saying that he trusts Putin more than Americans. You should have a problem with him trying to start crap with our longtime allies.
I disagree with Obama leaving us in good economic standing. As soon as Trump was elected, businesses started spending and expanding. They were sitting on hoards of cash because on the depressing and uncertain future under Obama. Obama had zero percent interest rates and QE for his entire presidency. How can you not improve the economy with that? Trump is now facing rising rates. The Fed is probably planning to time the rate rise to put us in a recession right around election time.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-28-2018, 10:40 AM Reply   
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GDP at 4.1%, Europe removing tariffs, China will give in next, and the biggest issue with the economy is finding enough workers.

I'm pretty sure if Hillary won, we'd have none of those.

Personally, I don't like the guy, but he didn't get elected to be my friend.

I don't care whatever did or didn't happen with Russia. Is Russia a great country, no, but I think China is a greater threat to us. They do way more hacking and technology stealing. Plus, you think the us has ever had anything to do with other country electi
Drops the Mic and walks away
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       07-28-2018, 6:18 PM Reply   
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Drops the Mic and walks away
Not sure what you are dropping the mic for? Certainly not much in that post to celebrate. Unless you are giving up, admitting defeat.
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       07-28-2018, 7:54 PM Reply   
Ok, I admit it. I colluded with 63 million others and 306 electors to elect Trump.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-29-2018, 9:42 AM Reply   
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Ok, I admit it. I colluded with 63 million others and 306 electors to elect Trump.
* and quite possibly a foreign power
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-29-2018, 10:00 AM Reply   
I guess no matter how good things are going for the United States Unless the Beast won your never gonna be happy .
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-29-2018, 11:34 AM Reply   
I want nothing more than the USA to thrive and succeed ... if that means Trump is steering the ship, so be it.

... my problem is we have laws, rules, and standards in which the government works that are being ignored, and it sets a dangerous baseline for future presidents. If Trump didn't do anything wrong, great let him govern within the laws until 2020, and then if things went well, he'll get 4 more years. If he did do something wrong, justice needs to be swift and powerful to send a message to future folks who want to try and skirt the rules.

If you're going to say the rules/laws he is breaking aren't important and outdated, fine, then change them through the proper channels; doing **** willy-nilly as he pleases ignoring laws inconvenient to him / his agenda isn't the right way to do things. He has the house, he has the senate, if he wants **** done, do it right.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-29-2018, 3:59 PM Reply   
sidekick
couldn't agree more. To bad that same standard didn't hold true for Obama, nor does it for the current groups of democrats across the country
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-29-2018, 5:49 PM Reply   
Ladies and gentlemen (and Grant), the President (methinks the lady doth protest too much lol):
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Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       07-29-2018, 5:54 PM Reply   
Deny, deny, counter accuse deny.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-29-2018, 6:36 PM Reply   
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I disagree with Obama leaving us in good economic standing. As soon as Trump was elected, businesses started spending and expanding. They were sitting on hoards of cash because on the depressing and uncertain future under Obama. Obama had zero percent interest rates and QE for his entire presidency. How can you not improve the economy with that? Trump is now facing rising rates. The Fed is probably planning to time the rate rise to put us in a recession right around election time.
Businesses started "spending" on stock buybacks, particularly after he dropped the corporate tax rate. I don't see how you can make that claim with a straight face.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-29-2018, 9:39 PM Reply   
http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...it-for-economy

there are several of these types of articles, from several sources....including a piece from liberal CNN
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-30-2018, 7:58 AM Reply   
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http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...it-for-economy

there are several of these types of articles, from several sources....including a piece from liberal CNN
Cliff, that is an Op-Ed piece from a Fox News contributor. She seems to substantiate the claim that the Trump tax cuts were better for the wealthy as opposed to most Americans.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       07-30-2018, 8:48 AM Reply   
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Cliff, that is an Op-Ed piece from a Fox News contributor. She seems to substantiate the claim that the Trump tax cuts were better for the wealthy as opposed to most Americans.
That article screamed Fox News. Not the results but the way the information was presented and the facts supplied in the article don't appear to support the conclusion well.

I must say if that date of the article was today then the healine wouldn't surprise we. But the fact that it was written back in Jan when I think Trump's policies hadn't taken affect , I would be surprised.


I'll need to look I to this in more detail but I definitely think we are in Trump's economy right now. Low taxes and high government spending is going to juice the economy. The real test for Trump is going to be once the business cycle turns. I hope he is still around when that happens because that will be the true test of his economic policy.
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