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Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-03-2009, 3:40 PM Reply   
Warning. My friend @ the DEQ in Michigan said there is legislation amuck talking about limiting the hours of water sports on all public lakes nationally from 12pm to 4pm daily. Including weekends. It is a global warming inncitive included in the cap and trade bill. I'm gonna do more digging. I need your help to do the same to stop these kooks. Already been proven they are doctoring the numbers at the climate office overseas.. stop this protect boarders
Old     (liveoz)      Join Date: May 2002       12-03-2009, 4:21 PM Reply   
I'll let you do the digging, as soon as you find this bit of legislation (good luck) I'll get your back
Old     (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       12-03-2009, 4:21 PM Reply   
Good luck for them with that. I'm not too worried about that actually going down.
Old     (skull)      Join Date: May 2002       12-03-2009, 5:00 PM Reply   
More garbage from the Chicagoland Conman. To "fix" a naturally occurring thing that man can't change. Insane. Hope you Democrats enjoy throwing money away.
Old     (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       12-03-2009, 5:33 PM Reply   
^^^^ But it's our money! The Democratic voters dont work and the Democratic politicians dont pay their own taxes.
Old     (tchs22)      Join Date: Sep 2005       12-03-2009, 6:21 PM Reply   
+1 with Rob VLX
Old     (waterdork88)      Join Date: Aug 2005       12-03-2009, 10:56 PM Reply   
I'm actually for Global Warming... I want beach front property
Old     (lostkgb78)      Join Date: Oct 2005       12-04-2009, 12:22 AM Reply   
proof please?
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-04-2009, 9:20 AM Reply   
Wow what a great post. Just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

The only thing about the thread I enjoy is the the rich rebublicans --^ actually believed this could possibly be real.
Old     (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       12-04-2009, 9:38 AM Reply   
The funny thing is most republicans don't realize that a large percentage of their voters are actually the wellfare republicans that actually take advantage of the programs the democrats throw too much money at. Most staunch republicans I know don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, lol.
Old     (skull)      Join Date: May 2002       12-04-2009, 10:53 AM Reply   
Republicans that are poor consider it a temporary state that they will eventually change through hard work. Democrats that are poor consider it societies hate crime that they can do nothing about so throw them a bone.
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-04-2009, 1:11 PM Reply   
No, poor republicans are the ones whose vote you get by scaring them with threats (ie gay marriage nazis, abortion wackos, gun crazies)
Old     (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       12-04-2009, 1:40 PM Reply   
Exactly, poor republicans beleive it's patriotic to follow the party, or do so for some strange religious reason. If it was true that the welfare republicans I know were in a temporary state, then they've been living in a temporary state for most of their lives. Sorry they are most leachy peopel I know, either living off their parents or the system, but sure want to complain about taxes, when they pay very little themselves.
I don't hold democrats in a better light than republicans, to be honest those who indetitfy with either failed party make me laugh.
Old     (mracrew)      Join Date: Apr 2005       12-04-2009, 5:14 PM Reply   
"Wow what a great post. Just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard". Really WakeMikey the dumbest thing? What if I told you that you cannot go out and buy a new 50cc dirt bike because of the government, would that be the dumbest thing you heard because the funny part about that is its true.

You can not take anything for granted these days, this government is run by scum bags that won't hesitate to shutdown or limit anything that consumes gas.
I really can't wait to see how this climategate pans out.
Old     (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-04-2009, 6:00 PM Reply   
Man made global warming is a farce follow the money al gore making millions, millions in grant money being given corporations will start buying and selling Carbon credits aka stocks so wall street gets richer. Nothing that Washington does backed by career politicians is because they care. The bigger your government the more stuff you want taken care of for "FREE" the more your rights and freedoms are trampled. It's just the begining.
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-05-2009, 12:57 PM Reply   
The only thing about the thread I enjoy is the the rich rebublicans --^ you actually believe this could possibly be real....Mikey....ok...off with the gloves. Give me names of rich republicans. Here is a list of rich democrats....Bill Gates, George Soros, 99% of Hollywood actors making millions in movies, Warren Buffet. Now if Obama says he is taxing the rich to help the poor...and you were rich...Why would you support him? So ask yourself, why are these rich people supporting him. To help us with less and drain their bank accounts. I don't think so. Everything started really falling apart with new emission ($4 gas) standard during the Bush administration...But only when Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi showed up. Bush made mistakes for sure (biggest listening to harry and nancey). But quadroupling the deficit was not one of them...like this administration. Do your homework. my source ...is from the DEQ because environmental studies I am doing to put up my cable park in Michigan. This is real!
Old     (otown_dave)      Join Date: Dec 2007       12-05-2009, 1:07 PM Reply   
They don't listen Scott, Screw the politics listen to the message.
Old     (liveoz)      Join Date: May 2002       12-05-2009, 2:11 PM Reply   
Scott, you find it and I will help you fight it. Until you show me the language, I really don't give this any weight. Also, you say the same kooks who doctored the emails are trying to push this thru. Who, the house, the senate, liberals, sombody else. Sounds like "the sky is falling" without more documentation as to where it is in the cap and trade legistlation.

So to be clear, I am not taking sides. I just don't but it without proof. I don't even think the goverment has the autority to mandate this. not all but a lot of states would protest big time.
Old     (formfunction)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-05-2009, 3:09 PM Reply   
Republicans are idiots,democrates are idiots.Any extreme veiw is just that,an extremist.
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-05-2009, 6:34 PM Reply   
I'm. Not a republican. I'm a conservative...big dif... republicans made a mess...our. new dems r making it worse by turning to socialism for the answers. I will get the info from dave who works for the deq..dept of environmental quality and get back to you. Lots of crap got passed in the tarp that we r just learning. They r politicians..approving crap they don't even have time to read. Just protecting our sport. Global warming...hacker found the truth..its all a lie.
Old     (tchs22)      Join Date: Sep 2005       12-05-2009, 7:09 PM Reply   
wow didnt figure i would see political bashing on a wakeboard website....
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-06-2009, 11:19 AM Reply   
I have looked everywhere and can not find any information on this anywhere...
Old     (sp0tts)      Join Date: Jun 2004       12-06-2009, 4:54 PM Reply   
While I wouldn't put it past this administration, I would think they would have to restrict boating all together or put an hour per year cap on it or something, not just water sports. There are a lot of boats out there that burn a lot more fuel than we do (Yachts, Donzi's, offshore fishing boats, ect.). I do find it hard to believe we would be the ones singled out here. This would also cause manufacturers to cut jobs, because it would hurt sales. Stricter emissions standards on the boat manufacturers is a lot more likely IMO.
Old     (otown_dave)      Join Date: Dec 2007       12-07-2009, 5:53 PM Reply   
Don't think it possible huh, – It's official: the Obama administration today declared greenhouse gases a threat to public health, which will allow the agency to use the Clean Air Act to regulate emissions without congressional approval, the Washington Post reports. "There are no more excuses for delay," said EPA administrator Lisa Jackson, who will appear at the climate conference in Copenhagen this week. "This administration will not ignore science and the law any longer."
Old     (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-07-2009, 6:43 PM Reply   
Hope and change hope and change thanks for that hope and change. Ready to have the f ing un run your country that us full of people that hate you and want you to fall. Hope and change.
Old     (liveoz)      Join Date: May 2002       12-08-2009, 8:45 AM Reply   
David,
No I don't. Putting more regulations on emissions is not the same as pulling boats off the water. Are they also going to tell states to close theire roads as well?

Now for the sake of clarity, I am not taking a political stance, I am clearly saying BS to the original post.
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 9:05 AM Reply   
Sorry I didn't think this thread was worth revisiting. Much like Barney Frank said it's like talking to a room full of furniture.

To adress one misguided comment "But quadroupling the deficit was not one of them...like this administration."

The money was spent because of the horrible decisions the Bush admin made caused our country to have it's 2nd great depression. Every dollar of bailout money can be blamed directly on Bush's policies (ie removal of seperation of commercial and private banks, deregulation of mortgage industry, energy, on and on and on).

And bs to the original post is most correct. Sad sad sad

(Message edited by wakemikey on December 08, 2009)
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       12-08-2009, 9:33 AM Reply   
You might want to check into when the deregulation actually occured and under whom it occured.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-08-2009, 9:54 AM Reply   
WakeMikey,
Do you just sit around and watch the news? You might want to read something sometime.

The quadrupling of the national debt hasn't been spent to "Fix" things Bush has done. It is a slush fund for all the current administration's supporters.

I suppose you will be parroting Harry Reid next and tell us that the Republicans were the ones who stood in the way of the abolishionist and suffrage movements... dead wrong!

As for the original post, it could very well be, the EPA is already restricting recreational boating!

They have effectively banned traditional 2-stroke motors...

http://www.mass.gov/czm/pwcmgntguide2.pdf

In 2007 the National Marine Manufacturers Association helped sponser a bill that preserves recreational boating. With this in mind it stands to reason that a threat against recreational boating exists!

http://www.saillanier.com/articles/07NMMABoatingActRelease.pdf

Lots of other studies and papers have been written on the subject...

http://marinefuel.com/category/research/planet-earth/

http://www.rbbi.com/desks/regs/regs.htm

http://www.mindfully.org/Air/EPA-Crack-Down-Rec-Vehicle.htm

What about The Clean Boating Act of 2008?

Also, several lakes have already banned wakeboarding due to the negative effects that it supposedly has on the environment.

What about the fact the the manufacturers can no longer use the "good" resin that they used just 5 years ago?
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 9:56 AM Reply   
Who failed to fix those problems? Who legalized credit swaps which nearly caused a worldwide financial collapse?

I love it that you point out the spending we are doing to SAVE the economy while all repub do is obstruct and make up lies (death panels). If it were not for the costs of waging the WRONG war, we would not be in this position since that is the where the REAL waste of money (ie $1bill) occured.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-08-2009, 10:05 AM Reply   
Uh, again, you have to read! That was done by ending the Glass-Steagall Act. Bill Clinton was the one who signed that law!


quote:

The repeal enabled commercial lenders such as Citigroup, which was in 1999 the largest U.S. bank by assets, to underwrite and trade instruments such as mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations and establish so-called structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, that bought those securities.[15] Elizabeth Warren,[16] co-author of All Your Worth: The Ultimate Lifetime Money Plan (Free Press, 2005) (ISBN 0-7432-6987-X) and one of the five outside experts who constitute the Congressional Oversight Panel of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, has said that the repeal of this act contributed to the Global financial crisis of 2008–2009,[17] [18] although some believe that the increased flexibility allowed by the repeal of Glass–Steagall mitigated or prevented the failure of some American banks.[19]




And don't forget that it was Bush and McCain that tried to regulat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/bush-mccain-tried-to-reform-housing-finance

Everyone is to blame for the crash, both Republicans and Democrats, except of course Ron Paul and he has been predicting this exact scenario since about 1980...

Read some and don't just parrot what you see on the news!
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 10:05 AM Reply   
Lakeowners associations closing lakes to ballasted boats has NOTHING to do with someone claiming the federal government is going to ban boats. This is hilarious.

I see people boating every day in two stroke motors. The report sure is pretty, but please link me to actual laws or legislation. There are studies about everything.

Encouraging boats to have CAT and providing incentives for people to get rid of their two stroke motors is a good thing.

Oh and just curious, what would YOU have done about our financial collapse and massive layoffs? Nothing? Tax cuts to the rich? Maybe more business pollution exemptions? More coal and nuclear power plants? You guys are full of great ideas.
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 10:12 AM Reply   
Yes Clinton signed the law but he left office soon after! When problems developed, they should have been corrected. Bush never bothered to fix the problems that were brought to his attention years ahead of time. Many people knew credit swaps were a big problem. But Bush wouldn't consider the burden of regulation to the poor banks.

Read the comments at the end of your own article for the real reason McCains legislation did not pass.
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 10:14 AM Reply   
Those comments, including:

-The failure to regulate credit swaps had a great deal to do with the meltdown. For this we can thank McCain’s advisor, Phil Gramm. (He stepped down as co-chair of McCain’s campaign in May, after he was quoted as saying that we were a nation of whiners, and that the country was simply suffering from a mental recession, not any real problems). He has been talked about as possible head of Treasury under McCain. Here is an article about it all:
http://www.motherjones.com/...
The article explains that Gramm’s legislation (slipped at the last minute into the budget package in 2000 – so yes, signed by Clinton, who was dealing with a Republican controlled Congress) ensured that credit swaps would be completely unregulated; this gave banks and hedge funds the false confidence that they would not need the assets to cover their subprime bets.

(By the way, the Gramm’s bill also exempted energy
trading from regulation, leading to the Enron debacle).

-Gramm also was instrumental in 1999 in deregulating banks, removing Depression era protections that had once separated banks, insurance companies, investment houses, etc.

-Here is an AP article I found that talks about the huge role in this mess of the Fed and Bush’s policy of keeping interest rates artificially low. http://www.azstarnet.com/...

The most important decision may have been the Federal Reserve’s move to keep interest rates near all-time lows for three years, which acted as a clearance sale for borrowers.”
-On the economy, economists overwhelmingly have much more confidence in Obama than they have in McCain. This is an article from the Economist Magazine: http://www.economist.com/...
It reports on a survey of economists, who largely support Obama’s policies (including 46% percent of the Republican economists, who said Obama has a better grasp of the matter, vs. 23% who said McCain did.) Twice as many economists think McCain’s plan would be bad or very bad for long-run growth as Obama’s. They also overwhelming think Obama has picked a better team of economic advisors.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-08-2009, 10:20 AM Reply   
Here is THE PLAN!

http://mises.org/story/3316

Now get out there and do it!

It's only a matter of time before the idiots from San Francisco attack recreational boating...
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-08-2009, 10:27 AM Reply   
BTW, if you think Obama or his administration has a grasp on anything think again!


quote:

A friend sends along the following chart from a J.P. Morgan research report. It examines the prior private sector experience of the cabinet officials since 1900 that one might expect a president to turn to in seeking advice about helping the economy. It includes secretaries of State, Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture, Interior, Labor, Transportation, Energy, and Housing & Urban Development, and excludes Postmaster General, Navy, War, Health, Education & Welfare, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security—432 cabinet members in all.

Upload

When one considers that public sector employment has ranged since the 1950s at between 15 percent and 19 percent of the population, the makeup of the current cabinet—over 90 percent of its prior experience was in the public sector—is remarkable.




The guys policies are effectively destroying private industry in America. I would cite some articles, but heck, so many are out there I didn't know which to cite...
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 10:42 AM Reply   
Wait - So you really REALLY think that public policy in America should be decided by executives from the private sector? Because that is exactly WHY we have such a cozy releationship with energy, military/defense, etc.

I DO NOT want policy decided with corporate profits placed above the rights of the people. I want lobbyists severly restricted in Washington. I am very proud that Obama has gone instead to SCIENTISTS, ACTUAL ECONOMISTS, and PROFESSORS to bring this country back from the problems created EXACTLY by letting the private sector make our public policy!

(Message edited by wakemikey on December 08, 2009)
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 10:51 AM Reply   
Can I lighten the mood by saying I do a hilarious (or so I think) impression of Barney Frank? Or is that offensive?

(Message edited by wakemikey on December 08, 2009)
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-08-2009, 11:00 AM Reply   
You can't really make policy regarding a sector unless you know how that sector works. Obama and his cronies have never even as much as run a lemonade stand... They know nothing, but the socialist/fascist ideas that they have been taught.

The SCIENTISTS that you talk about have been proven a fraud!

The ACTUAL ECONOMISTS that you talk about follow a flawed school of economics, Keynesian economics is junk! The Austrian School is the only true school of Kung Fu!

And everyone knows that people that CAN'T DO - TEACH! So your PROFESSORS are theorists and are generally socialist fascists to boot!

On another note, what do you think of THE PLAN!!? If you are actually for liberty and freedom you would like it!

But you are a socialist, correct? You know what's good for me, and because I don't, you should tell me!

Isn't this what you hope and pray for:

I. Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work.

II. Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense.

III. Every citizen will make his particular contribution to the activities of the community according to his capacity, his talent and his age; it is on this basis that his duties will be determined, in conformity with the distributive laws
Old     (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 11:10 AM Reply   
Wake have you heard of congress and who controlled congress when the banking policies were being made and why no dems will be part of countrywide investigation. The reason why private sector people are better is they are in the REAL world. You should have government oversight by congressional committees to do your best to make sure they are not taking advantage. I went to college trust me these professors deal in the abstract. If you think that these people that he is bringing in are altruistic your naive at best. Follow the money of his policies. Bush blew alot of things but not hanging the collapse on HIM. What was the senate and house doing. Making backroom deals with companies like country wide. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd come on. I don't trust corps but I REALLY don't trust politicians. The more government is involved the more they control. Less government PLEASE we are seeing the greatest expansion of government since the New Deal. Nothing is free just remember that and the environmental nut jobs want us all driving bikes to work and hate your truck thats towing your boat. We need to wake up our dollar value is dropping like a rock. Remember when Germany was taking wheelbarrows to buy bread. Registered libertarian
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-08-2009, 11:27 AM Reply   
Tampawake, what do you think of THE PLAN? Are you are a Libertarian because the Republican Party has left their traditional values or are you a Libertarian because you believe in it?
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 11:36 AM Reply   
I'm sorry but I find both of your posts quite hilarious.
Old     (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       12-08-2009, 11:41 AM Reply   
Someone fired Sam Ingram up today. But as a business man that figures out how to make sales, profit, provide jobs to others and customers happy with their purchase decisions in the process of doing so, I'll go with Sam.

Taxing the private sector to "make jobs" is only possible because there is a private sector in the first place. With out the private sector, there is no government, no "policy making", no jobs, no savings, no retirement, no Soc. Sec., etc.

(Message edited by ottog1979 on December 08, 2009)
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       12-08-2009, 11:47 AM Reply   
Democrats create a huge Fvcking mess. Repubs fail to regulate it, and it's the republicans fault???
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       12-08-2009, 12:34 PM Reply   
Yes. Because democrats are not responsible for ANYTHING!
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       12-08-2009, 12:38 PM Reply   
"Those comments, including:

-The failure to regulate credit swaps had a great deal to do with the meltdown. For this we can thank McCain’s advisor, Phil Gramm. (He stepped down as co-chair of McCain’s campaign in May, after he was quoted as saying that we were a nation of whiners, and that the country was simply suffering from a mental recession, not any real problems). He has been talked about as possible head of Treasury under McCain. Here is an article about it all:
http://www.motherjones.com/...
The article explains that Gramm’s legislation (slipped at the last minute into the budget package in 2000 – so yes, signed by Clinton, who was dealing with a Republican controlled Congress) ensured that credit swaps would be completely unregulated; this gave banks and hedge funds the false confidence that they would not need the assets to cover their subprime bets.

(By the way, the Gramm’s bill also exempted energy
trading from regulation, leading to the Enron debacle).

-Gramm also was instrumental in 1999 in deregulating banks, removing Depression era protections that had once separated banks, insurance companies, investment houses, etc.

-Here is an AP article I found that talks about the huge role in this mess of the Fed and Bush’s policy of keeping interest rates artificially low. http://www.azstarnet.com/...

The most important decision may have been the Federal Reserve’s move to keep interest rates near all-time lows for three years, which acted as a clearance sale for borrowers.”
-On the economy, economists overwhelmingly have much more confidence in Obama than they have in McCain. This is an article from the Economist Magazine: http://www.economist.com/...
It reports on a survey of economists, who largely support Obama’s policies (including 46% percent of the Republican economists, who said Obama has a better grasp of the matter, vs. 23% who said McCain did.) Twice as many economists think McCain’s plan would be bad or very bad for long-run growth as Obama’s. They also overwhelming think Obama has picked a better team of economic advisors."






Yep. It was that simple
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       12-08-2009, 12:50 PM Reply   
^LOL. Like Tim Geithner and Hank Paulson??? I like Elliot Spitzer too, is that ok???

So it should be assumed that any democratic legislation is a akin to an unruly bastard stepchild and needs constant supervision and regulation. When we fail to regulate and repeal said stepchild, all bets are off and once again its the Repubs fault for whatever consequences the stepchild creates, in addition to a failed responsibility of not keeping a better eye on things..

Do I have it straight now???
Old     (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       12-08-2009, 1:11 PM Reply   
I think you can assume that just about any legislation, by either party, needs constant regulation and supervision.

The republicans are just as much to blame as the democrats. Hell it was a republican administration that took the US from being the largest creditor to the largest debtor in the world.
In the end both parties have been in a tail spin for almost the last half century. We are just really starting to reap the poor leadership this country continues to elect.

(Message edited by cjh1669 on December 08, 2009)
Old     (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       12-08-2009, 1:15 PM Reply   
^^^

Chris cjh for PRESIDENT!!!
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       12-08-2009, 1:36 PM Reply   
Chris, I agree 100%. Poor policy and zero accountablity on both sides of the aisle have us in this mess. I don't know that I would say every pres in the last 50 years has been a joke as I think Reagan kept us from imploding in the 80s. However, the first signs of socialism reared their heads during FDR's control, so its not a problem that just popped up.

Anyone who says its one side's fault is smoking crack.
Old     (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       12-08-2009, 1:46 PM Reply   
Reagan was the president I was refering to in my previous post. Republicans tend to ignore this fact, or just simply don't know it. Not exactly a great pair of terms when you include that fact.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-08-2009, 2:04 PM Reply   

quote:

By Nacho (denverd1) on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 1:36 pm:
Chris, I agree 100%. Poor policy and zero accountablity on both sides of the aisle have us in this mess. I don't know that I would say every pres in the last 50 years has been a joke as I think Reagan kept us from imploding in the 80s. However, the first signs of socialism reared their heads during FDR's control, so its not a problem that just popped up.

Anyone who says its one side's fault is smoking crack.




Very true...

However, I seriously think the ideology of the LEFT is severely flawed. Most leftists have good intentions of trying to help the poor and needy. The left however, want to give these people the fish that the non-needy caught instead of actually teaching them to fish...
Old     (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-08-2009, 2:28 PM Reply   
Hey just to throw this out there Liquid Force makes way better boards and bindings than Ronix!!! Oh and BU sucks too I own a Mastercraft!!! Toyota rules as well.
Old     (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       12-08-2009, 2:28 PM Reply   
.... and the right want to give those without need the fish the middle class caught, while telling when where and how you fish.

The democrats want to take your money, the republicans want to tell you how you have spend it....
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-10-2009, 6:39 PM Reply   
WOW...what a fire storm. Lets take back our damn country. wake MIKEY...ASK YOURSELF...WHY ARE BILL GATES, WARREN BUFFET,AL GORE 5 HOMES (one home uses more energy in a month then you do in a lifetime)GEORGE SOROS, ALL OF HOLLYWOOD..AL FRAKKEN YOUR BUD ...ALL RICH ALL DEMOCRATS..ALL GAVE TO OBAMA. if they are for the small guys, middle class, small business. why would they agree to TAX THE RICH TO GIVE TO THE POOR UNDER OBAMA. they are the rich. is it from their kind heart. Hell no. they are benefitting. look at hillary and her 3 jobs she created at plus 6 million dollars with stimulus money. are sport is going to go down in flames with these idiots and their bogus man made global warming. wake mikey..you board...support our sport you idiot. these guys dont want you to do it anymore. u r a threat to water and earth. you breathing CO2 according to EPA is killing the planet. its all crap
Old     (mexicoblue)      Join Date: Jul 2008       12-13-2009, 5:47 PM Reply   
This thread is amazing . . .
Old     (amo)      Join Date: Jan 2009       12-14-2009, 6:06 AM Reply   
To chris' point above, I believe most of the people of this country are sheep now. If you control the sheep, you control the majority of votes. The liberal media and the ineptitude of McCain picking Palin as a running mate is what got Obama elected. And now because of his election, we're getting too much change. Were things screwed up? Sure, but to go from a free market society and capitalism to socialism in the span of one term seems a bit drastic to me and not what this country was founded on.

To Scotts point, I can't stand the "limousine liberals" as well. But, I do believe that the constant polarization of the parties, Republican as well, will show most level headed, think for themselves Americans that moderation in all things will be the best policy. Registered Independent.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-14-2009, 11:06 AM Reply   
Everyone should do a little research on the Clean Water Restoration Act... it could very easily end recreational boating...

FOX News article and link to the bill

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Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-14-2009, 2:12 PM Reply   
The bill is intended to protect bodies of water from pollution. From factories, oil dumping, etc. Nowhere does the bill have the slightest mention of restricting recreational ANYTHING. I am all for this bill. Maybe it will stop some of the pollution from manufacturing that occurs upstream of me.

Why are you so suspicious that the bill will be used to take away your freedoms? What freedoms have you lost that sets this precedent?

Bush actually DID use his bills for other things than they were intended - for example the patriot act and wiretap act are used for many things that are not really terrorism. I think the Patriot act is good, but the way it is interpreted/applied is bad.

Scott I would reply but I dont see much there that is serious. You hate Obama so much you think he will take away your right to breathe? Creative. And speaking of cronieism (giving jobs to buddies), you must be forgetting all the no bid contracts Bush gave to Haliburton and many others. That is daily fare in washington, so be sure you spread the blame buddy. PEACE

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Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-14-2009, 2:56 PM Reply   
Well, considering that it gives the federal government the right to seize my swimming pool if they see fit... If you are so obtuse to think that this won't be used against the common citizen for other stuff that was not intended (read that as anything that causes any pollution, including recreational boating, farming and living!) you should open your eyes. This bill will be used against us, just like the patriot act...

The Patriot Act was enacted to stop terrorism; however, out of the 763 sneak and peek search warrants issued last year, only three were issued in relation to alleged terrorist offenses, or less than one-half of 1% of all such black-bag clandestine searches. Nearly two-thirds (62%) were issued to investigate drug trafficking offenses. Of course our very own Federal Government fights to restore the drug trade... Government backs Drug Trade

Check the Numbers...

You say that you are in favor of this bill, I suppose you are also in favor of the current healthcare bill... PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE.

I could give a rat's behind what Bush did... it does not justify anything that the current admin is doing. Bush in my mind was the worst president ever... Look at the Patriot Act... pure BS!

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty... Thomas Jefferson
Old     (liveoz)      Join Date: May 2002       12-14-2009, 3:17 PM Reply   
Sam, You need to step back. There are a lot of things that COULD happen. Did you know that this already applied to navigable waterways for years.

Holy Sh**, they might go back in time and take away all of our previous wakeboarding enjoyment.

I will give you a little leeway, It would not surprise me if a municipality banned watersports (like a San Diego) based on some exagerated claim, but I am still not buying the Big Bad Government argument without some specific info, not speculation.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-14-2009, 3:28 PM Reply   
Yes, Troy, I am very, very aware of water law...

What do you mean could, last time I checked the Feds put a bunch of California Farmers out of work to save a stinking fish... What about Owens Lake and the Owens Valley, all stolen by the Federal Government...

Just imagine what they will take with this law...
Old     (liveoz)      Join Date: May 2002       12-14-2009, 5:56 PM Reply   
I agree. I am just saying the law hasn't really changed in regard to the lakes we ride on. It is only being expanded to include all bodies of water. So yes they could ban boating, but they have had that power for many years.
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-14-2009, 6:46 PM Reply   
EPA has control THEY HAVE NEVER HAD BEFORE. They just got this new power and the new clean water act will effect you......mikey wake up. I just got rejected on several permits for my cable park in michigan. EPA shut me down. They are protecting what use to be a gravel pit for crying out loud. No. http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA567.html. read it and weep}
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-14-2009, 7:19 PM Reply   
Oh, I support the Clean Water Act, it'll protect the enviroment... The Federal Government is good, they'll give me all the things I need, like more crap from China, medicore healthcare, and illegal aliens for the empty house next door, and protect us from global warming, I mean climate change...

On iPhone... I know about the spelling errors...
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-15-2009, 3:45 AM Reply   
Thx sam for your understanding the issues and my miss spells on my droid. Small keyboard...lol
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-16-2009, 7:34 AM Reply   
Wow all that babble. Now just crickets...LOL mikey and troy have said nothing since I posted that link. Truth hurts. But losing our sport to a bunch of beaucrats hurts even more. And if fellow boarders fail to educate themselves on the subject. We will be talking about the good ol days on the boat. The sun and fun...gone. please jsut look into it and think about the long term effect. Gore would not have 5 big homes if there was truly a crisis. Or be flying around his gulfstream. Just think....just think.
Old     (dh03r6)      Join Date: Mar 2007       12-16-2009, 7:58 AM Reply   
I love it "ok Clinton signed the bill but it was a rep congress bush should have fixed it." and bush had a dem congress, clasic. Obama says if it aint broke fix it till it is.
Old     (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-16-2009, 8:03 AM Reply   
Naw I just got tired of it. Figured I'd let you have fun thinking obama is out to get you.
Old     (dh03r6)      Join Date: Mar 2007       12-16-2009, 8:38 AM Reply   
I dont think anybody thinks he is out to get them. But our government is taking to much power. Just remember all of the leftists out there, Your heaping all of this power on them but at some point the republicans will have it. Less gov is the only way.
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-16-2009, 9:35 AM Reply   
Lame wakemikey..its not just obama...its reid and pelosi...ex hippees..lots of drug use in their past. Sounds to me u have nothing To back up the idea we are not going to lose some of our freedoms..including time spent on water. Plus the hefty price tag for the federal yearly permit to operate watercraft. This is all about power...to me, that sounds scarey. Thomas jefferson said....a govt who fears its people equals liberty and freedom. When the people fear its govt is a tyranny. Global warming scare healthcare scare bank bailout scare tarp saving jobs from passing 8% we r at 10%. So plz think about it.
Old     (liveoz)      Join Date: May 2002       12-16-2009, 10:40 AM Reply   
I have been quiet because I have not been on ww for a day or two, and I am going to keep on being quiet until I am banned from watersports on my lake, at which time I will come back on here and apologize for thinking this thread is overly alarmist. See you soon
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-16-2009, 1:54 PM Reply   
Says a lot. Not one comment on the info in the link I posted. Speaks volumes right there
Old     (liveoz)      Join Date: May 2002       12-16-2009, 3:35 PM Reply   
OK, before I leave this thread I will restate my point with an insert from your link.

In reality, the Clean Water Restoration Act (CWRA) does not "restore" the CWA. Instead, it greatly expands its scope and jurisdiction. The bill would bring federal oversight to activities that affect all "waters of the United States" as opposed to merely "navigable waters" as called for in the original CWA. "Waters of the United States" is broadly defined in the legislation to include "all interstate and intrastate waters and their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes, natural ponds, and all impoundments."6

I have said and your link proves that nothing has changed in regards to "Navigable Water" (the water we wakeboard on)
All the other stuff in there might be of interest, but my ONLY argument all along has been that your first post was not too likely and I stated that the government had this power all along, and nothing has really changed. If you want to talk about cable parks, duck ponds, and dried lake beds, that has nothing to do with "talking about limiting the hours of water sports on all public lakes nationally from 12pm to 4pm daily. Including weekends".
Old     (dlwsrider)      Join Date: Apr 2007       12-16-2009, 3:48 PM Reply   
Winter on Wakeworld... Gotta' love it.
Old     (digg311)      Join Date: Sep 2007       12-16-2009, 4:25 PM Reply   
No kidding Caleb. These threads don't seem to get going nearly as well when people's boats aren't winterized.
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-16-2009, 7:05 PM Reply   
The pending regulations prompted U.S. Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL) to introduce legisl operate their boats"Requiring family boaters to secure a Clean Water Act permit so that they can wash the boat, fish, or go waterskiing is ridiculous," said Martinez.* "This permit requirement is unnecessary and onerous. *If allowed to take effect, it will be costly and essentially unenforceable." 25 unenforceable." Considering the CWRA would encourage a c
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       12-17-2009, 7:54 AM Reply   
But Obama, "our" representatives, and Obama's wonderful administration would never do anything like this. Aren't we all just getting carried away?

It's not like they are thinking about taxing us for exhaling or creating a World Government entity run by socialists...

I go for all this if they give me more free crap, like some stickers, a t-shirt, and a cool catch phrase...
Old     (mucktoerider)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-19-2009, 2:30 PM Reply   
We shall see what happens wen we have to pay ridiculous prices for permitts only to use the boat for a limited amount of time. How big is your carbonfootprint with your boats. They r going to ruin all water sports and recreation. They r giving me a hard time about putting up a cable park. Can't imagine our frredom to boat. Yhea boats will be in the future. The cost will be enormous though. Not to mention enforced upgrades like dirt bikes deal with every year to ride state land.
Old     (wakebo2169)      Join Date: Jun 2002       12-20-2009, 12:28 PM Reply   
complain complain complain. right left right left. all you people do is bitch. thats the problem with this country these days - people complain but have no solution; people shift the blame and twist words. it goes both ways, dem and rep. its not going to change until people are more mature. start suggesting solutions rather than just complaining about what others are doing. armchair politicians are the most annoying and insensitive individuals.

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