whats the second steepest wake.

last weekend i rode behind my friends new sport nautique and it was crazy i came from a gekko which has a very wide and not steep at all wake and riding at 65' to a rock wall riding at 75'. man i was just getting bucked so hard i was not used to it but i did get more air but i was wondering what is the second steepest wake and if you have to weight a boat a certain way to make it steep share that to

more weight in the rear will make the wake steeper

sanger v210
mastercraft x2 with a ton of rear weight

those are runners up to the super air/ sport nautique

I am sure there are others as Malibu has some steep ones but I have no experience

I would go with mastercraft... I think of mastercrafts wake (x-9) as starting 3/4's of the way up like a Malibu and ending with a 210.

the farther back you ride the steeper the wake gets also.

Centurion Avalanche is very steep, close to Super Air. More than any of the mastercrafts.

Nothing is close to a Super Air........No if's and's or but's about it. That is why you love the boat or hate the boat. If you love it you will even put up with "meager storage space".

Define close, I think my V210 is pretty close to my buddys 05 SAN. More forgiving, but close in steepness. Also the X-2 gets pretty darn close.

My Moomba XLV gets pretty darn steep with certain weighting configurations. Plus, I like the pop it has at the top. It has a nice steepness to it with a nice pop. Personally my fav, but maybe I'm biased....

I second the sanger v210 on being close to the nautique. Personally i like it better than the SAN

I'm going with the X2. The Naughty is a little harder other than that they are real close.

sanger v210, x2 and SAN are all the same. It depends how you weight it. More weight up front= less steepness. I like it in between steep and ramp. You can get a good pop and still land in the tranny and not fall in a big hole if its set up right. Oh ya J-rod BU was sick also.

ya i agree wiht evan when i rode it there was not very much storage but i dont know i liked the hieght but did like the flying out of controlness across hte wake lol how would you weight a moomba

In my Moomba I have a 1000 lb. bag in the front compartment under the double up seating in the walk thru, then I have a 600 lb. bag on each side of the engine in the back compartments that I fill around 250-400 each depending on how steep of a wake we want. I will run the front bag lighter sometimes as well.

When it's dialed in I absolutely love the wake!! The wake plate also helps to shape the wake.

Hey chaps ... no mention of TIGE boats must be a sin.

My 2 cents worth,

I had the old X2(Prostar) with a ton of weight and I mean a TON I would get a serious wake.
I then UPGRADED to the 2005 22v and it is a HUGE difference. 22v + full stock ballast + 2 FAT SACS + 3 PEEPS = BEEEG WAKE...oh not to mention TAPS which changes the shape etc.
The Tiges wake is massive and very different to the old X2 ... I had been told by people in the know that the new X-star throws an enormous wake but needs to be LOADED.

Heres how I rate what I've ridden behind, never been behind a SAN but hear it is similar to the X2 but the sweet spot is further out.

1-XStar 03+ heavily weighted is huge. Nice thing is that it still stays a little rampy.

2-X2 (My boat) with 1000 lbs over stock. Nice wake like XStar but more of a wall.

3-MB LSV huge wake when heavily loaded but transition is very narrow and the wake has NO lip - its rounded off.

what difference in the wake does the wedge on the malibu and the plate on the moomba make. and isnt the plate on some other boats. and is the taps on tige is it just like ballast or does it change the shape to

The malibu LSV I was in was gerry nuns and he didn't use the wedge so i assume it does something that is not desireable or it is not used when you have a couple 1000 lbs of ballast. I'm pretty sure (don't quote me on it) I asked him if he ever uses it and he said no. What I've heard is that it is a wake shaper and not an increaser. Nevertheless the wake was really strange with the rounded lip versus the MC boats. It did launch me though with little effort.

Chris,

MB LSV????

well i would think that it would make it steeper right but whenever i hear someone say it they are just like "the wedge changes the shape of hte wake" but how does a wake plate work.

Some people claim that the wedge softens the wake, therefore they don't use it. How true that is I don't know, never been behind a Malibu with a wedge.

As far as wakeplates go. By putting the plate up it allows the rear of the boat to sit lower and the nose of the boat rises. Lowering the plate basically pushes the rear of the boat up a little and lowers the nose of the boat. Basically, when the plate is up the boat handles like it would without a plate, but putting the plate down allows you the versatility to shape the wake or make it smaller for other watersports.

Also, Taps on a Tige is basically the same as the wakeplate on a Supra or Moomba.

taps must be like all powerful then because i think i was reading in some wakeboarding magazine issue(the greatest wakes issue) and when htey were interviewing the tige's and they dont have any ballast and they said it replaces ballast i think if im wrong dont bother. but is it really htat much more effective than just the wake plate

The wedge does not soften the wake, man you gotta wonder where this info comes from. It's certainly not from someone who's ridden with one properly setup.

At least on the later hulls designed with the wedge in mind, it makes the wake steeper and harder.

Taps or a wakeplate only can reduce wake size, not increase it over the size it would be without the plate. A wakeplate pushes the transom up, pushing the nose down, and reducing wake size.

It's actually a very nice feature for adjusting to water conditions, and lets the boat plane out a lot slower for beginner riders, or when the boat is extremely weighted down.

boomer i do see your point. about how it only makes hte wake smaller. so it is almost a waste if you just want hte wake bigger am i right i mean it can help plane out and other things but for the hardcore wakeboarder that wants the big nasty wake it really doesnt help

That would be a correct statement, but it can help really by letting the boat plane out easier with a lot of ballast. Then it can be retracted once moving.

That definitely would help a "hardcore" wakeboarder. There's no way a wakeplate can make a wake bigger than it would be without the plate at all however.

All that being said, I loved the wakeplate on my '04 Supra SSV. It really made the boat very versatile and allowed you to control the attitude of the boat any way you wanted it regardless of passenger weighting.

I've toyed with somehow installing wake plates on my VLX, to get the same function.

I own a 21V Tige with TAPS and Sacks in it, and the Taps systems really helps dial the wake shape to fit the conditions, ballast weight and number of people you have on the boat. With no Ballast and the TAPS set at 4-5, (three in the boat) the wake is very good- as good as my friend's MB with ballast or another's Malibu with the wedge and ballast. With the Tanks full, 3-4 in the boat and the TAPS on 5-7 the wake is VERY VERY tall and rampy. If you like a lot of kick off the top of the wake for inverts, this is the stuff!

The wakeplate on my Moomba makes the wake have more of a lip, with out it its much mellower, as far as making it bigger I wouldn't say so.

On my XLV the wakeplate definitely helps it to plane out faster when heavily weighted. It also changes the shape of the wake considerably. I thought at first that it didn't do much to the wake, but after experimenting with different weight distributions in the boat and playing with different angles on the plate I can conform the wake to be any shape I want it. It's amazing how much a wake plate actually changes the steepness of the wake and adds a lip or kick at the top. I wouldn't say the plate is the best wake enhancement device out there, but it does affect the wake so you can dial it in the way you want it!

what hull characteristics actually make a wake steep rampy. or have lip or rounded.

haha i finally got that picture in one of my threads hahahaa im honored

geez! Either the guy in the pic is 2 feet tall or that is the hugest wake I have ever seen!!
Also, I totally agree with what you guys ar saying about the TAPS- it shapes the wake, but doesn't increase the size. I put 800 lbs in the back compartments, and dial the TAPS to fit the ride. It works great.

So far, I think the following holds true....

The wider the boat --> the more rampy the wake.

The SAN builds a great wake with less effort/ballast/gasoline because it's more narrow.

Narrow boats are easier to sink and vertical depth in the water correlates to a vertical wake.

Obviously certain hull designs produce different results, but weighting of the boat is kind of a huge deal as well, don't you think. I have ridden behind lots of boats and depending on the weight and placement is what makes all the difference in the world. Oh well, I guess you can debate about which boat is better, steeper, wider, narrower, better or worse, but you ride behnind what you can afford and make the best of it.

Can you adjust the wakeplate on the Supras and Moombas while someone is riding???

Yes, you can. The plate has two hydraulic cylinders which move it up and down. You can adjust it on the fly. There is a large toggle switch on the steering column, looks like a turn signal, you use to move it up and down. There is also a guage on the dash which tells you the position of the plate.

There is no way the wedge on the new VLX or any VLX for that matter makes the wake rampy, smooth, mellow and rounded. That thing stiffens and lips out a wake at the top for a great pop, it turns mellow into OH SNAP! Somebody's been listening to too many MC dealers, they all have the same story. Just try it, it's funny to mess with them. Walk in and say "Hey do you guys have a wedge on your boats?" And the barrage of "what do you want a wedge for? You know that thing just mellows the wake, what are you a beginner? Drag hardware sucks!"

Well just ride with it and without it for yourself, no comparison. Then ride in a MC, no comparison.

You can ride 80 off at 23 mph and easliy clear the wake with the wedge and sacks full. Without, it's not enough altitude.

Bu's have sweet wakes and every one should try them out before selecting the boat they want. Wake shape is personal preference, you can't buy a boat in a showroom or base your decision on other people's opinions. There is just too much BS and false info out there.

You can make the wake on an X2 very steep by putting more weight in back. We fill a 450# bag in the bow, 350# in the ski locker. We have 450# sacks in the back. We usually only fill them about 70% and the wake is big and has a great shape. When we fill them all the way the wake gets real steep. The X2 does not need huge amounts of weight to throw out a killer wake. 1500#'s and you have gold.

I personally like a little rampyness to the wake. But you can definatelly make an X2 wake very steep. I think the X2 wake is one of the best wakes out there. You can easily make the wake steep if you want. I haven't had the chance to ride behind a SAN or a BU but if anyone in Portland OR wants to trade pulls behind an X2 to compare the wakes PM me.

does the speed of the boat change the hardness/steepness/rampyness? and thanks for like replying and you guys can ask questions to

Thanks Machew...Could not have said it better myself. The Wedge drives the stern deeper into the water, lips out the wake a bit more, and increases pop off the top of the wake. Everyone who rides behind my boat asks for the wedge down, because there is a difference. Most of your releases and inverted moves require much less effort. If a rampier and meatier wake is wanted behind the Malibu, just drop the wedge and add 500 or so lbs in the front.