sanger 210 vs. 215

I ONLY WANT TO READ INFO REGARDING THESE 2 BOATS. I KNOW ABOUT EVERY OTHER BOAT ON THE MARKET.

that being said, what are the main differences in the wakes, freeboard, handling, price, so on and so forth? i'm gonna try and make a sales pitch to my father and see if he'll splurge on a new boat for next season. he's an old sanger guy(from the ollllldddd days) and has always liked the design of them.

thanks.

Why don't you do yourself one better, and test drive the 2 boats? Between that, and some good dealer info, pretty sure you can get all the info you need.

you cant go wrong with either one of them both great boats I have a 215 and love it def stick with a sanger

Second M. Harris. I love my 215 but I hear the 210 has a slightly better wake due to its narrower beam. I just wanted the extra room when I bought mine. No way to find out till you take them both out. Good luck and hopefully we'll be welcoming another member to the family.

i'm not exactly in a position to go to a dealer and/or test drive. i'm in a dorm 1300 miles from home.

Madchild,

Two very different boats. The obvious is the 215 is bigger. If he is an old school Sanger guy the 210 is probably what he is leaning towards. The 210 throws a great wake and handling is awesome. The draw back is it is a smaller boat and if you’re looking to have a few people 6 or more it tends to feel tight.
The 215 is much roomier as soon as you sit in it. The handling is just as awesome but does not have that sports car feel like the 210. The wake is a little different more of a transition and a little rampier than the 210. The 210 is more abrupt.
The price difference is in the 4-5 K range. The other advantage to the 215 is triple ballast is available and the 210 only comes with the center (front) ballast. More color options are available on the 215 also the 210 comes solid hull color and graphic decal. One other thing to consider is storage space. The 210 often becomes the choice due to the 20' 8" length fits into most garages pretty easy while the 21'6" 215 sometimes won't.

thanks dra.

will the dealer plumb sacks in the rear of the 210? and if so, what sacks fill them the best?

i heard to upgrade to the 330hp was a few thousand. truth?

size really isn't an issue considering the new garage is 46 feet deep with twin 96"h x 108"w doors lol.

By "old School" do you mean the flat bottom Drag/Circle Runners (100+mph 2" off the water)?

yeah, he had a hondo and a sanger flat bottom, and a brendella hydro with a tunnelram454. sweet boat. for drag, not circle.


anyways, he has liked the look of sangers ever since they got out of that market.

Cousin had a Drag Runner...lot of fun to drive back in the day.

what kind of water weight potential is there in the trunks?

The V210 doesn't need a lot of weight in the rear, you would not want to exceed 400 pounds in the rear lockers because the wake would exceeding steep, anymore than 700 in the rear and you cannot get enough weight in the front to compensate. Depending on what level of rider you are and how narly you like the wake you might get by with just weighting the front. If you ride with 4 or 5 people I would put a 700 pounds in the front before putting anything in the rear. The last trip away we had 1100 pounds in the front & 800 pounds in the rear + 5 peeps and the wake looked like this.

I agree with everything DRA said and will add that the V210 is a really easy boat to drive.

From what Ive heard, you can order rear ballast for the V210 and there sacs, not tanks.

Darren did you put the whole 1100 pounds in the front or are you counting the middle ballast too??

600-700 in the floor and the rest in lead under the bow seats and chain locker.

Madchild,

The motor up grade is around $700 now, use to be a few thousand. It was not supposed to be offered on the 210. I don't know if they changed there mind on that or not. If you going to run alot of weight I suggest the upgrade and simply for the resale value its money well spent. The 210 has become the price point boat so that is why options are limited on it.

if i'm running 2000# in my rlx now, i wouldn't have to run nearly as much to gain the same wake size will i?

i think my ol' man would like that very much.

I've never ridden behind a RLX before so i can't really say, but the V210 has one of the best ballast to wake ratio's I have ever seen. Also you can get about 1400 pounds of water hidden into a V210, with a bit of lead you can have everything hidden and automatic.

I believe the Black Scorpion has always been an option on the V210, at least the last few years. My late '06 has it. There is not much difference in interior space now between the 210 and 215 since they have re-designed the 210 layout. Where the difference will be is in storage and freeboard. The 215 will be slightly taller and have more storage since it's wider and slightly longer. The hulls and wakes are pretty similar as well as driving and handling. The big difference is like Darren said, in the ballast to wake ratio. The 215 will require more ballast, and in turn, burn more fuel and have a slightly wider wake. If you regularly have more than say six people on the boat, you'll prolly want to go 215. Lastly, you CAN have Sanger install rear ballast in a 210, although I chose to do mine myself, I had all the factory parts included in my purchase price along with custom sized FlyHigh sacs all the way around also included. Here's a pic of my 210 wake with just 1100 lbs @ 23.5

thanks sparky and darren.

if i can hide 1400# i'd be extremely happy. but most importantly he would be. he hates stepping over those damn things more than anything. and i can't blame him, they're a royal pain.

i'd love to have it all auto as well. pulling out that damn pump sucks and takes FOREVER to fill them all manually.

we seldom have more than 4 on the boat, so room isn't really an issue. one day i think we had 9 people and like 900# of sacs. that was rad, but juuuuust a bit cramped lol.

how's the ski wake? he's an old guy [55 in dec] and usually only takes a few sets a year on our annual family shasta trip where he is guarnteed plate glass water. regardless, he still loves a blip of a wake and spray to be non-existant.


i think the biggest selling point will be the "easier to fit more 'tomatoes' on the boat." afterall, that is one of his oldest hobbies lol.

if he wants to ski it he'll need to get up in the 34 mph range before it really starts to smooth out. It won't be anything like a direct drive of course, but it will be pretty good for a v drive.

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Sparky Jay (wake_upppp)


My late '06 has it.

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Did it die or something ?


I guess it would be nice to have a few more ponys but My late 2000 V210 planes out faster than a lot of other boats even when it's slammed and it just has the 315 Merc in it.

05 v-215 315 merc stock triple ballast & an extra 300 in front with 6 or so people has a great wake, planes great and pulls with the best of them just take 1-2 mph's off the top end.

"Did it die or something ?" It freakin better not! With the care that things gets, it's gonna run forever! Actually there is two V210 interior layouts for 06, an "early" and a "late".Ski wake is O.K. for a v-drive, the 210 will be a little better than the 215 just cuz of shear weight difference. (not much)

and do get the Black Scorp, it'll be better for re-sale and have better fuel economy...

The ski wake is amazing for the non completion skier. But you need to add the hydraulic wake plate to maximize this. With the wake plate all the way down you can really smooth out the wake to a very desirable ski wake.

315 merc burns less fuel than the black scorp but def better re- sale more power more fuel my 315 burns 10 15 less gallons on a 4 day trip than my buddy's black scorp v210 but he can go right bye me when were side bye side.

The black scorpion motor in the same boat weighted the same (or no weight at all) gives you all of 1 to 2 MPH difference. Running a lot of weight the extra 15 hp (average) is worth the dollars. I am not sure on the gas average I would almost think that the Scorp would burn less fuel. The true test would have to be in the same boat run at the same speed for the same distance with the same water conditions.

So then Michael, on this identical four day trip, you both put the exact same amount of time on the boats, with the exact same weight, and the same amount of starts and stops, and the same amount of cruising and, etc, etc. I doubt it. The higher HP/Torque engine will almost always do better on fuel economy in two evenly weighted boats of the same exact model from my experience.

I have a bennett trim tab on my v210 should I raise it or lower it for a better wakeboarding wake? thanks

Nate: all the way up will give you the best boarding wake. Actually, If it was mine I'd remove it all together.

alright I will give it a try all the way up.

I like the trim tab for making the wake less intense for riders that don't want it as steep or big...the more the unskilled rider, the more I put it down.

Or for riders that like a slower speed but still want a big wake. I use the trim tab to keep the wake from curling over.

Did they change the v210 to remove the hump over the engine box?

The 210 has lessened the hump drasticaly in the new interior. it is almost un-noticable. Very nice change in the late 06 and 07 interior.

If the trim tabs are left/right, I would think they could help with the surf wake.

Honestly, I don't understand why everyone is not buying a Sanger -- amazing wake and amazing value!

Agree, great boat, great value. Some people find it worth the xtra $$$$ to go for the upscaled boats. As for me, I got a deal I couldn't pass on my CC, an '04, see 'em listed used all the time for more than what I paid. If you can get a great deal on your ideal boat, not be upside down, why not?

What exactly is upscaled boats these days???

Upscale, Those are the boats that people pay too much for and then call them upscale to convince themselves they had a reason to spend all that extra money.

Jon, you sound bitter. Upscale would be the difference between a Honda (great car/great value) and a Mercedes. DRA, what would your definition of an upscale boat be?

Mad sorry I even posted this info, just trying to show a different perspective of GD's statement. Should have known that it would used to start a boat war...

(Message edited by socalwakepunk on November 20, 2006)

I'm with Tackle. Upscale to me is Bu, Supra, MC, and CC. Sanger, Moomba, Centurian is one level back.

Sanger IMO is not so plush as the big 4 but does the core boat things better than any other boat I have been in, and that is more important to me than fluffy carpet and billet bling.

"Sanger IMO is not so plush as the big 4 but does the core boat things better than any other boat I have been in, and that is more important to me than fluffy carpet and billet bling."...Could not agree more Darren.

I completely agree with darrens comment also. I grew up riding behind the 210 and i loved it as soon as the 215 came out my buddy got one and it is by far one of the best wakes on the market. I think the wake on the 215 is better than the 210, although i do think there is a bit of a price difference. Keep us posted on what pops says.

Upscale... Ha, ha, that's funny. I actually think the 215 is nicer than my X2. I like that the whole interior is carpeted. The hinged seats are killer and the backrest behind the drivers seat is a nice touch. I also like that they come with bow filler cushions and I think where they put the stereo is much better thought out.

On the MC, I will say that the bimini's are the best around and I've grown very accustomed to the clamping and swiveling board racks.

Un-fortunately I still think that Moomba, Centurion and Supreme are a ways behind. Though they've all made leaps in terms of quality in the last few year.

If a CC, MC, BU or Supra are more of "upscale" boat than a Sanger. What makes them "upscale"??

price=image

more expensive=better, right?

the price tag..and some bling,bu mc are made out of gold, just like gas...

I don't really think that Mad wanted a boat war here. I only exlained why I did not go Sanger. 2 questions:

Those of you who do not own Sangers, why did you not buy the Sanger?

Everyone - If all wakeboard boats were priced the same, which one would you go with?

Try to keep it civil, no boatwar B.S.

Good Morning Tack.

Good Morning Billy. Thank you for the vital information you sent

Glad you enjoyed it.

I would have seriously considered the X-Star at the time if it was not 20K more. I did not need the extra space and have always kind of thought to myself, once I get over 50K....I want a bed and a toilet in my boat.

If I was purchasing today, I would take a HARD look at the VLX....but the local dealer and I did not seem to be on the same page in '03.

Why I didn't go with Sanger. Well, called the local dealer and never got a call back. True story. Not that I would have bought one anyway, but I wanted to give "almost" everyone a fair shot to start out.

i would get a sanger its just what i like have two both are great boats not goggles just preference for me.

2 as in two???? One for each foot?