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Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-07-2007, 3:59 PM Reply   
I bought a board in my marina at the Mahopac marina in NY.. it was a Blindside Five o 137 i think or a 138. i dont remember..... but i got it out on the lake a week ago and I just couldnt get up.. i tryed left foot first.. i just couldnt get up.. i'd get to the point i was out the water and about to start standing up str8 but its VERY hard to stay on.. its all over the place.. like trying to balance on a basketball. i'd fall of after like 3 seconds. I feel like a total retard. io see everyone getting up so easy. im 170lbs and 6'3". I went out again today determined to get up.. I switched to my right foot to see if that helps.. I went out.. made my rope shorter, tilted the bindings so the front foot was kinda forward a little more like a noobie should do.. well this didnt help.. I still cant get up.. i dont know if its me or if its my dad driving the boat.. he has no idea what he's doing ... i told him to start slow till i start to get up then go a little faster till he hits 20 mph.. around there.. but i never get that far hahaahah.. can someone please help me .. i went online and read everything i could find on how to get up and watched like every youtube video on wakeboarding looking to see what they do.. I just dont get it .. this is like the only sport i cant do hahaha .. and that water is so bad i wanna start riding on it, not drinking it when i keep falling hahaha.


I dont have a wake tower, just the tow ring on the back of the boat. the boat has enough power to pull thats 4 sure. .. too much if anything..


im going to post a video of me trying to get up later on tonight to see if you guys can spot what im doing wrong. or what the driver's doing wrong.


kindest regards,
Scott Graham (17)
Old     (hunter660)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-07-2007, 4:38 PM Reply   
Hang in there. I struggled with this myself. I just started this year and getting up out of the water was a MAJOR hurdle for me. I know I tried at least 40 times before I made it up. Once you do it once it gets easier every time. This short clip form “The Book” really made things click for me. Watch the trailer on this site. The part you need to see is right at halfway though the video.

http://www.thebookdvd.com/dvds/getstarted.htm

You will get plenty of help from others on this site as well. Have fun.
Old     (jzd)      Join Date: Jul 2005       10-07-2007, 5:01 PM Reply   
http://ridecwb.com/2007/videos.php Watch the second to the last video, should help
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-07-2007, 5:14 PM Reply   
cool cool tghat last vid looks good.. i was starting wrong. I didnnt bring my butt to my heals and i didnt keeo my knees together. I also made the bord face forwards early i think. thanks for helping out so quick.. if there's any other videos or info on starting that'll be great =] haha i need to read and watch as much as i can haha my dads getting sick of turning around every second to pick me up again hahahah =] and i cant w8 to get going!!! haha
Old     (bbking)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-07-2007, 6:09 PM Reply   
jerry doyon, you beat me too it...darn haha
Old     (seanmcd)      Join Date: Jul 2006       10-07-2007, 6:17 PM Reply   
KEEP TRYING!!

NEVER QUIT
Old     (jward10)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-07-2007, 6:56 PM Reply   
I have taught several people how to get up and the easiest way that I have found is to first establish which foot is your dominant. You said you feel like it is your left. If this is so here is what worked well for the people that I taught. When in the water facing the back of the boat take the slack out of the rope. when the boat is in gear barely pulling you through the water point your toes a little to get the board to go under the surface. At this point the boat should start going (treat this as if someone is trying to help you stand up off the floor from a seated position) Now this is the part that really helps people that have a hard time getting up. Since your left foot is going to be forward, as you start to come up point the nose of your board slightly toward the boat but keep it going toward the shore line on the left. If you do this correctly you will come up out of the water on your heel side edge and be out on the left hand side of the boat in the flats before the boat even creates a wake. It also helps to have someone ride doubles with you so they can talk to you while you are out there. Good luck
Old     (wakeboardnut)      Join Date: Jul 2006       10-07-2007, 7:52 PM Reply   
when that line is tight, make sure you get those heels to your butt and roll up.

if that doesnt work, you can punch me.

heels to bum!!
Old     (lovin_the_wake)      Join Date: Jul 2007       10-07-2007, 7:54 PM Reply   
Hang in there and keep trying The Book is a great learning tool
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-08-2007, 5:45 AM Reply   
Justin you said you should keep the board under the water.. i think thats my problem.. i try so hard to keep it above the water because i think its going to get caught up and ill just flip right over forwards, ( like i always do hahaha ) anf the getting my butt to the back of my legs... im going to try it on land a few times today too, to see if i can kinda make everything click so when i go out there again i dont have to think, it'll all just be second nature you know.

(Message edited by scottycali4nia on October 08, 2007)
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-08-2007, 7:26 AM Reply   
what's easier? a dock start or deep water?
Old     (kalenk)      Join Date: Feb 2007       10-08-2007, 7:29 AM Reply   
viagra works so i hear
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-08-2007, 7:33 AM Reply   
is the board to be below the water ever?
Old     (kalenk)      Join Date: Feb 2007       10-08-2007, 7:36 AM Reply   
when you get up.. just get up the same way you would as if you were sitting your your butt tying your shoe, and someone reached down and helped you up (that someone being the boat) I would start out by letting the board float freely just above the water... once you get the hang of it, it really doesnt matter. the point is to not let the boat pull you over your board and not to lean back too far. just inbetween, dig your heels in and act as if you are trying to keep the boat from moving.
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-08-2007, 7:49 AM Reply   
Ill try that. I wasn't digging my heels in either. so i need to remember heels in, butt to heels, and i i hope this'll get me up. =] thanks for the help guys.
Old     (hal2814)      Join Date: Feb 2006       10-08-2007, 8:37 AM Reply   
I just went through getting my brother to get up consistently and the three biggest things that helped him are:

1. Let yourself be pulled into a ball. Don't fight the boat on that one.

2. Keep the board in front of you until you're out of the water. As soon as your body is in front of the board, game over man.

3. When you get to the point that the board is pushing out of the water, don't be in a big hurry to get the board on plane or to stand up too soon. You can ride back there in the squatting position all day if need be.

As far as whether or not the board should sink into the water, it depends on the board. Almost all of the late-90's boards stayed above water at all times. Weight and shape have made it such that all of the newer boards I've been on sink at least to some extent while getting up. For that reason, I keep an old 97 O'Brien Banshee just for teaching people how to get out of the water. It freaks newbies out a lot less.
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-08-2007, 2:32 PM Reply   
Thanks for the help. I cant waite to get out there next week to try again. Once your up on the board what's it like? is it as hard to stay on as it is to get up? cuz i've been up once.. kinda.. i think it was too slow but it was a nightmare to stay on top of... how do you ride it like do you just lean into it and it does the rest like a bike? or do you need to tilt your feel like a skate board?
Old     (nickdakoolkat)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-08-2007, 3:35 PM Reply   
kalen, you and I were thinking along the same level....lol!
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-10-2007, 3:46 PM Reply   
Once your up on the board what's it like? is it as hard to stay on as it is to get up? cuz i've been up once.. kinda.. i think it was too slow but it was a nightmare to stay on top of... how do you ride it like do you just lean into it and it does the rest like a bike? or do you need to tilt your feel like a skate board?
Old     (bbking)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-10-2007, 4:07 PM Reply   
you can get up and not stand up... i do that all the time its fun haha
Old     (norcalbordr)      Join Date: Feb 2006       10-13-2007, 7:18 AM Reply   
not sure if you have been able to try it again since posting your first thread, but here is what I tell everyone that is learning, and it usually gets them up the first or second attemt every time. Its easier being taught in person, but hopefully this helps:
Imagine sitting down in a chair, and someone grabs your hands to pull you out of the chair. You pull back on them slightly for tension and you end up standing up right? Well thats the same idea you want to have when getting up on a wakeboard. Pretend the handle is someone grabbing onto your hands and pulling you out of a chair. Your feet are in the bindings, so think about the board being the ground. You want to keep both feet slightly in front of you. As you start to go, the water pressure will start to increase enough to where you can stand up on the water. Keep the idea of getting pulled out of a chair and this will keep your body in the correct position. Not too far forward, not leaning back too far. Once your board is planing on the water, then its just a matter of turning the board and getting used to being on top of the water. That just comes w/ practice. Let me know how that goes.
Old     (azpowerhouse)      Join Date: Jul 2007       10-13-2007, 8:29 AM Reply   
Everybodys post are right on. Only thing to add is that most people think that if water is coming over the top of the board you will not get up. False, instead of fighting the water and having your board perpendicular to the water you want it to be at a 30 degree angle parallel to the water, and once the line is tight, push your board just below the surface of the water. So by doing this you are allowing the boat to pull you out of the water, not fighting the boat.

Don't worry about what to do after you get up...you will then forget how to get up....this happens to 100% of the people behind my boat!

You should learn quick (less than 5 pulls) what to do once you are up. (this is part is wakeboarding have fun!:-)

Last, the Only tip on once your up...... steer with your hips. Wherever you aim your hips you will turn that way...
Old     (azpowerhouse)      Join Date: Jul 2007       10-13-2007, 9:07 AM Reply   
I will be putting this on the boat so people know what I am talking about with the resistance. Good Luck.

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Old     (wakeboardlasvegas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-13-2007, 9:15 AM Reply   
EXCELLENT illustration.
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       10-13-2007, 10:05 AM Reply   
i like the illustrations too for helping people to understand that plowing is not good. My brother bloodied his fingers from them slamming into the board because of resistance on the get-up. I think i will copy the immage it into my file of wakeboard descriptions and helps (if that's cool) that i have written and drawn

i made one for cutting/edging that i think works well too, especially for pointing out that going over the wake "cautiously" isn't a good idea. I see alot of beginners crash going over the wake because the wake washes over the board. i'll post it here, but hopefully it wont add too much to worry about ;)

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Old     (marshallrice10)      Join Date: Oct 2007       10-13-2007, 10:12 AM Reply   
It took me about 30 times to get up. My problem was I always had my board perpindicular in the water and when the boat began to pull the rope was pulled out of my hands (the boat wins everytime). Someone told me to point my toes which made the board angle at around 50 degrees in the water - I then made it up no problem. Also, when I get up my board goes under the water for a second or two. Don't be worried about the board going beneath the surface.

Good luck!

Marshall
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-15-2007, 12:20 PM Reply   
i might get to try again this weekend... i hope... but it might be too cold... =/ if not ill get it next season.
Old     (cgilly)      Join Date: Sep 2007       10-15-2007, 12:55 PM Reply   
hey scott, i live in mahopac. i am new to this sport myself but can get up on the board with no problems. let me know if you want me to show you what i do to get up out of the water.
Old     (greatdane)      Join Date: Feb 2001       10-15-2007, 12:55 PM Reply   
Most drivers pull too hard too. With beginners, its best to pull the rider up very very slowly. Its a big ass board, there is no need to "hit it" to get up.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-15-2007, 1:35 PM Reply   
Scoot, once you get it you'll wonder how it was so hard in the first place. Getting up and riding the board is very easy once you have the technique down. There's a lot of good advice here.

Oddly enough one day I was teaching some girls and guys to get up, and the girls were much faster learning even though the guys were athletic. Once the guys finally got it then they progressed much faster than the girls.
Old     (helix_rider)      Join Date: Mar 2003       10-15-2007, 3:14 PM Reply   
John, I've noticed the same thing. I'll pop any <150 lb girl out of the water in the first 3 times and have her riding around. The dudes think they can muscle it out of the water. They all end up getting worked :-) Once you convince them that technique is more important than power, they finally get up.
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       10-15-2007, 6:36 PM Reply   
ive noticed the same, Go Girls on getting up. One girl i taught got up first try, started edging out heelside (not on purpose) went over the wake and down the lip WITHOUT crashing and continued into the flats. BEST first timer i have ever seen. Almost everyone crashes on their first wake approach, ESPECIALLY when they have no boarding background
Old     (melony01)      Join Date: Oct 2007       10-15-2007, 8:33 PM Reply   
It's not that hard getting up if you let the boat do all the work. Just make yourself small. 1.You have to put your knees between your arms. Yous hands are holding on to the handle so by putting your knees between your arms it keeps your legs going straith in stead of in all other directions.
2.keep yourself small knees bent heels to but.
3. when your in that perfect posicion signal the boat let it start pulling you up. let the boat do the work. DON'T PULL ON THE HANDLE. just let it bring you up it helps if you bring your chest a little bit forward while the boat's pulling you up.(but no too much)
4. When your out of the water stand tall on your board and tur your leading foot forward.
It's the beginning posicion you have to get right. and the bringing chest forward. The rest comes naturally.
Old     (liquidmalibu)      Join Date: Sep 2007       10-15-2007, 9:48 PM Reply   
Yeah, i spent a summer teaching little kids from 8 - 15, there was only one kid all year that didnt get up. but when im at home with some of my mates they take forever.
i never used to teach the kids to much at once. just little things each time. they didnt try hard, they just hold on and let me take them for the ride...TOO EASY. (it helps they don't weigh much).

my mum got up second go, it took my dad about 20.

i think the best tip is to concentrate on getting your heels down next to your bum, and not turning your baord at all until your up and running. also put your arms either side of your front leg that you'll be riding with AND TILT YOUR TOES A LITTLE.

GOOD LUCK DUDE.
Old     (bamacpa)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-16-2007, 7:34 AM Reply   
My son does it different than I have seen. His board is completely under him as if he is standing on it. He gets on plane as quickly as anyone I've seen (instantly). I don't know the physics of this. Anyone else do it like this?
Old     (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       10-16-2007, 11:59 AM Reply   
Various ways (styles) for getting up is what i love about this sport, even the way you get up can have style. Almost everyone i watch gets up in a slightly unique way. Some stay sideways longer, some deeper, some pop up quick, some butter slide a while at the surface, some do a bit of a shifty, some stay in a crouched surf-like position...

The first time i got up was probably more like you (Allen S.) are talking about, being more submerged to begin with. The reason i did it that way was because of some advice my mother gave me, "did you ever try standing up on the thing?" she said. When i got my first board i was just so excited to try it out that i didn't give much thought into technique other than the sole fact that i heard once on t.v. that you get up sideways like skis. (i already knew how to ski so i though it'd be a piece of cake) After nearly giving up for the second day in a row my mom asked the question above. I struggled to get the board under me in the middle of the water and once i did something just CLICKED. suddenly I KNEW what to do. From the standing position i bent my knees to a squatting position (board completely submerged) held it there till slack in the rope was taken up, yelled "hit it" (now i say "ready" since it is not a hit it kinda thing) and found myself boarding for quite a long distance.
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SORRY for the story, got a little ahead of myself... memmoorrriiieeeesssss!
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i still use the same method sometimes, depends on how i crashed and if i am tired. If i simply pop the handle, then usually i'll sink straight down and stay standing, otherwise i will lay back and float and rest...Ahhhh.

ALL and all i get up in two ways
1. Stand - squat to deep sitting position - get up
2. Lay Back - reclined position - seated position - get up.

#1 puts the board deeper in the water initially
#2 puts the board at the surface initially

BOTH are practically the same, the seated position is the most essential part!





Telling beginners to stand on the board initially may be helpful... it helped me
Old     (mike_baione)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-16-2007, 12:45 PM Reply   
Scott,
I am on lake Mahopac, email me have your dad come pick me up and we will not leave the lake until you are up and riding.
"Or you can punch me in the face"
I am up there everyday.
Old     (scottycali4nia)      Join Date: Aug 2007       10-25-2007, 6:20 PM Reply   
Hey Mike,

Thank you for offering to help out with getting up but i think its too cold to go out again on the water this season. I'll have to take you up on it next season if the offer is still available, but thank you for offering to help me out.


thanks again,
Scott Graham

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