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Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       02-22-2018, 5:09 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by onlyinboards View Post
Have any Trump supporters watched the Dirty Money episode on him? It's not Netflix and it's fantastic.
I did, great series overall.

I particularly liked the Tump, Valiant and Pay Day Lending episodes.

The pay day lending one was my favorite overall. They just left it to the guy to dig himself a hole. What a cnt
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       02-22-2018, 5:12 PM Reply   
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I do think its funny when we say that we are killing the planet. The planet will shake us off like a virus.
Yup, the planet will be just fine. We are killing ourselves.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       02-22-2018, 5:13 PM Reply   
Trying to make time to watch it.

I see Manafort and Gates just got a fresh set of charges for laundering $30mil. Trump really surrounds himself with the best. Birds of a feather for sure.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-22-2018, 5:25 PM Reply   
and dont forget the lawyer that just pleaded guilty.
https://www.rferl.org/a/mueller-russ.../29050892.html

He is married to the daughter of one of russias wealthiest putin crooks and owner of Russian Alfa Bank. Bet pops is pissed off.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       02-22-2018, 5:28 PM Reply   
Alex Van Der Zwaan? German Khan?

These names sound like they're straight ouf of a bad Bond flick. Too bad for the cheetoh they aren't.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-22-2018, 5:59 PM Reply   
Those are the perps.
Yep another day another guilty plea. This was more another manafort F-up when he was doing all that quality work in Ukraine. WTF was trump thinking when he hired the PR guy for some of the worlds worst mobsters. Why did he think he needed him. Why did Manafort work for free? I think trump is dumb enough and ego driven that he just figured, of course he wants to work for me for free, Im the Donald.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-23-2018, 2:01 PM Reply   
Gates pleads guilty to conspiring against the United states:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...-pleads-guilty

Only the best people. Sure is unlucky the way the swamp drainers that Trump surrounds himself with keeping on pleading guilty to all this Russian stuff. It's almost as if there is some Russian collusion going on. I better watch Faux News to find out what's really going on.
Old     (prowake)      Join Date: Jul 2016       02-23-2018, 6:00 PM Reply   
Well, you can’t argue they didn’t do a good job with their campaign

Trump spent 30% of the Democrats and won

What does that tell you?

I’d take a prez who bangs porn stars and operates the government efficiently as possible vs the opposite

Last edited by prowake; 02-23-2018 at 6:02 PM.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       02-23-2018, 6:03 PM Reply   
You're not counting the millions that his cronies laundered and shuttled over to Putin and crew
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-23-2018, 6:36 PM Reply   
Operates government efficiently? He is running the most dysfunctional administration in history. More have been fired, replaced quit than any other admin. Its a full on Cluster F. The state dept is gutted. Most of his appointments are complete swamp rats. This is just a starter list there are dozens more. Gone are Bannon, Priebus, Spicer, The Gooch, Mike Flynn, Manafort, K. Walsh, Seb Gorka, KT McFarland, Mike Dubke, Carl Higbie, Rob Porter,Brenda fitzgerald, Omarosa, Tom Price, the whole economic advisory board quit one at a time mostly over trumps siding with the white supremists in Charlottesville. add the head of the ethics committee because well,,,, this admin does not have any. Trump spent less cause hes cheap. Hired that freebie manafort...pretty efficient...only the best. Tired of winning yet?
Old     (prowake)      Join Date: Jul 2016       02-23-2018, 7:03 PM Reply   
And despite all of that, he is still running far leaner and more efficient with better economic results

Fact
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-23-2018, 8:17 PM Reply   
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And despite all of that, he is still running far leaner and more efficient with better economic results

Fact
By what measure?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       02-23-2018, 9:02 PM Reply   
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By what measure?
It's a good year to be a white supremacist.
Old     (prowake)      Join Date: Jul 2016       02-24-2018, 2:42 AM Reply   
you guys calling everyone you disagree with racist and white supremacists is beyond old

you have your gay pride parades to celebrate your gayness, black pride to encourage blackness, National Hispanic Heritage Month and somehow being white and proud is sinful? As if white europeans accomplished nothing to be proud about?

Its literally PC to have a high self opinion of anything and everything except being a straight white male and that **** only happened in the last 8 years.

Pieces of **** like you, Wes are only begging for a race war that you will sorely lose. Its that same attitude that will result in the deportation your personal family after you get doxxed and ICE gets called
Old     (prowake)      Join Date: Jul 2016       02-24-2018, 2:52 AM Reply   
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By what measure?
well, this president won't be sending crates of cash to our enemies for starters
ISIS has been all but smashed if you haven't noticed
No missing billions from the state department
Spending was cut across the board
Useless seats remain unfilled
GDP GDP GDP GDP
LOWER TAXES FOR ALL
illegal immigration at an all time low
black unemployment at an all time low

shouldn't you libs know all of this?

Obama gave you the greatest amount of people on food stamps, billions and billions to Hamas from the Iran money, Mexican gun running, continuous government overreach, and ****ty black criminal-raising thug families invited to the Whitehouse for dinner.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       02-24-2018, 8:00 AM Reply   
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Pieces of **** like you, Wes are only begging for a race war that you will sorely lose. Its that same attitude that will result in the deportation your personal family after you get doxxed and ICE gets called
WOW you are a slimy turd.

It's people like you that ratted out Anne Frank.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       02-24-2018, 12:31 PM Reply   
Let’s Explore Pro Wakes statement.
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you have your gay pride parades to celebrate your gayness, black pride to encourage blackness, National Hispanic Heritage Month and somehow being white and proud is sinful? As if white europeans accomplished nothing to be proud about?
What he is saying may be inflammatory but it’s true. The only exception is. The min normal (white people gather) the white pride/white Supremacist POS people attach them self to what could or would be normal white people, I personally dont want anything to do with that crowd/movment/vibe.
Nothing wrong with haveing pride in your race or culture but whites have a up hill battle getting rid of the stench anything “Pro white culture” Americana is and always base been mixed races and culture so it’s imposable to celebrate American Culture with out including all races and culture my 2c
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-24-2018, 1:04 PM Reply   
Yes I agree, there is nothing wrong with being a white man. Personally I don't take pride in being a white man purely because that's not how i see myself, I don't identify with any groups persay, I prefer to think of myself as an individual rather than a member of a group.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-24-2018, 1:05 PM Reply   
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Let’s Explore Pro Wakes statement.

What he is saying may be inflammatory but it’s true.
The only reason you have the "pride" parades and celebrations are because those groups have historically been viewed as inferior or worse. You guys are ignoring the obvious and playing the victim.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-24-2018, 1:32 PM Reply   
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The only reason you have the "pride" parades and celebrations are because those groups have historically been viewed as inferior or worse. You guys are ignoring the obvious and playing the victim.
That's the way identity politics works, divide people up in to groups and pit them against each other to further that groups interests. It's wired in to us biologically because historically people needed to band together to survive. It doesn't serve us so well in the modern age where mortal danger isn't lurking behind every tree and shrub. Resist the temptation to be forced in to selecting a group, it's not required. Be your own hero, take pride in individual traits not group ones.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       02-24-2018, 1:35 PM Reply   
^^^ that’s one way of looking at it.

Here is another. You see other nationality’s and cultures, celebrating and you want to have your own version? I do admit sometimes I feel like a foreigner in my own country. Lots of places here in California, you see people flying the Mexican Flag like it’s Mexico and “in your face” Mexico first. Example it’s proper ediquete to fly the American flag first and then a smaller flag of what ever country below it. Never the other way around, I know it’s petty but it seems to add up. Schools have asked students to go home or remove Red,White,Blue clothing on Cinco De Mayo as to not offend Mexican students and start a riot. Last time I checked this was America the American flag belongs here and should have no day that you can’t display it. Things like this spawn the division you don’t like.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-24-2018, 1:43 PM Reply   
I can see that throws up warning flags about your home being invaded and overrun with outsiders who don't share your philosophy, and changing things you love about your home. There has to be limits about how that immigration is managed so it doesn't fundamentally change what makes America America.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       02-24-2018, 2:47 PM Reply   
This is my take. America was made by people of all color and races. Example Chinese built many of the rail roads and roads that built our nation from the very get go. you might see a Asian person here in the Us that pre dates you and your family by many many years. So All races and cultures built and made America great. These people have taken on America as a home and taken on American culture and even given us theirs. They speak fluid English and are 100% American for all intent. All these people are welcome and are apart of American pride.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-24-2018, 5:09 PM Reply   
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That's the way identity politics works, divide people up in to groups and pit them against each other to further that groups interests. It's wired in to us biologically because historically people needed to band together to survive. It doesn't serve us so well in the modern age where mortal danger isn't lurking behind every tree and shrub. Resist the temptation to be forced in to selecting a group, it's not required. Be your own hero, take pride in individual traits not group ones.
How about if you are in a group that hasn't been discriminated against or put down historically that you don't really need to be concerned about it? That's BS to call a gay pride parade "identity politics". Are you trying to make the case that gays would have never been ostracized except for politics? Or that black people were never discriminated against other than for politics?

It's not identity politics. If you're not gay or black why would you even care if those people do something to make them feel better about themselves? Why be such a whinny victim because you can't have your own pride day?
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       02-24-2018, 6:43 PM Reply   
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This is my take. America was made by people of all color and races. Example Chinese built many of the rail roads and roads that built our nation from the very get go. you might see a Asian person here in the Us that pre dates you and your family by many many years. So All races and cultures built and made America great. These people have taken on America as a home and taken on American culture and even given us theirs. They speak fluid English and are 100% American for all intent. All these people are welcome and are apart of American pride.
What makes someone 100% American? Isn't the only requirement being an American citizen?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-24-2018, 7:40 PM Reply   
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That's BS to call a gay pride parade "identity politics"
They are promoting their group identity at the cost of their personal identity. It doesn't matter who you are or how you act, the most important aspect of yourself is what group you belong to.

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Are you trying to make the case that gays would have never been ostracized except for politics? Or that black people were never discriminated against other than for politics?
No, I haven't said that and I'm not saying that.

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If you're not gay or black why would you even care if those people do something to make them feel better about themselves?
I care because I think it's bad for them personally and bad for society.

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Why be such a whinny victim because you can't have your own pride day
If you think I would want my own parade then you are fundamentally misunderstanding what i am saying.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-24-2018, 8:07 PM Reply   
Too much cognitive BS. It's really simple.... They promote a group identity to create solidarity. Which is important because if you feel oppressed then you need the power of numbers. Being political is a necessity if you want to exert any influence. A voter doesn't have much influence as a "personal identity".

I wasn't specifically talking about you wanting a parade. That's the response to people who wonder why they can't have white pride day.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-24-2018, 8:21 PM Reply   
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Too much cognitive BS.
Lol, too much thinking. That's fair I guess. All I can say is as I have got older I have taken the axiom you don't change the world by changing the world, you do it by changing yourself. The problem with group rights is it is another groups responsibility to agree and provide them. The more you divide people up and start granting them unique rights the more burden you put on everyone else, it's untenable. I'm all for equal rights and equality of opportunity, you dont need group identity to provide those things.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       02-24-2018, 8:40 PM Reply   
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What makes someone 100% American? Isn't the only requirement being an American citizen?
Paul I know absolutely nothing about you but from your 1 question I can take a shot in the dark? “your a Liberal”. They seem to like to ask questions like this?

Let’s see let’s try this Eample: you come to this country from let’s say “China” You get naturalized and become a US citizen. However don’t learn English, You move let’s say “china town” & don’t integrate with anything American you simply live in this country as you did in China among thousands of other people just like you. ARE U AMERICAN?
Old     (prowake)      Join Date: Jul 2016       02-24-2018, 11:34 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ralph View Post
That's the way identity politics works, divide people up in to groups and pit them against each other to further that groups interests. It's wired in to us biologically because historically people needed to band together to survive. It doesn't serve us so well in the modern age where mortal danger isn't lurking behind every tree and shrub. Resist the temptation to be forced in to selecting a group, it's not required. Be your own hero, take pride in individual traits not group ones.
well said.

our instinct has been built upon millions of years of the most successful evolution on the planet, literally. its going to be difficult to shake hardwired instinct within this "drop in the bucket" human enlightenment timeframe we are within.

IMO society is changing too rapidly and mental illness is the result from those not capable of adapting. In the wild, many animal species have been observed to become homosexual through generations as survival resources become scarce.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-25-2018, 7:51 AM Reply   
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All I can say is as I have got older I have taken the axiom you don't change the world by changing the world, you do it by changing yourself.
I think you got that wrong. If you can't change the world then just learn to deal with it. You aren't going to be changing the world trying to deal with your own issues.

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The problem with group rights is it is another groups responsibility to agree and provide them. The more you divide people up and start granting them unique rights the more burden you put on everyone else, it's untenable. I'm all for equal rights and equality of opportunity, you dont need group identity to provide those things.
The NRA has proved you wrong.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       02-25-2018, 8:20 AM Reply   
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Paul I know absolutely nothing about you but from your 1 question I can take a shot in the dark? “your a Liberal”. They seem to like to ask questions like this?

Let’s see let’s try this Eample: you come to this country from let’s say “China” You get naturalized and become a US citizen. However don’t learn English, You move let’s say “china town” & don’t integrate with anything American you simply live in this country as you did in China among thousands of other people just like you. ARE U AMERICAN?
Grant, yup you are correct, I am a liberal (mostly) but I am asking the question because I honestly don't know what you mean by 100% American but your question awnsers mine.

My awnser to your question is yes, they are American.

A point to add though. To become a naturalized citizen, you need to take an english test. So this is already part of that process. After that you can't really force people to do anything because of freedom. Once that person becomes American they can choose to do what they want, isn't that the American Dream?

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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-25-2018, 12:47 PM Reply   
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The NRA has proved you wrong.
Well, that's an illustration my point, if members of the NRA woke up and thought for themselves then the pathologies of the group would be moderated. It would be better for them as individuals and better for society as a whole. At the moment the only alternative promoted is to form your own group and fight against them, I think there is another better way. Thats why free speech and open dialog is so critical, to get people to think for themselves rather than just accept what the group says on their behalf.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-25-2018, 1:46 PM Reply   
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Well, that's an illustration my point, if members of the NRA woke up and thought for themselves then the pathologies of the group would be moderated.
You are operating on the premise that the NRA members are wrong. Not that they need to be individuals to push the "right" agenda effectively. All that flowery speech about self improvement doesn't support the notion that you can push an agenda without banding together. The "correctness" of the agenda isn't the central arguing point. It's whether you need solidarity to promote it.

If you are gay or black then you are already decided on the correctness of deserving equal rights. If you believe one can X out half the words in the 2nd Amendment, or believe in the absoluteness of a SC decision regardless of how you personally feel then you are already decided on the correctness of your individual right to weapons.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       02-25-2018, 3:48 PM Reply   
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You are operating on the premise that the NRA members are wrong.
I don't think he is. He seems to be arguing against all groups. Which I think is wrong. Groups are not bad. Groups can work together for a common cause. Nothing wrong with that unless the groups are working towards a goal that disproportionately disadvantages other.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       02-25-2018, 4:13 PM Reply   
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I don't think he is. He seems to be arguing against all groups.
He's doing both. When you claim something is pathological, you're definitely saying that it's wrong in some sense.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-25-2018, 5:05 PM Reply   
Yes, I'm saying both. Of course I'm not saying groups in principal are bad or even practically avoidable, just the possibility for aspects of them to be bad exists when group think overtakes individual think. Personally I see that with the NRA, rather than discussing the important issue of gun control in any form they put a wall up and use the lobby system to rig the game. If you spoke to individuals of the NRA I'm sure you would have varying views on gun control but you don't get any sense of that because the group presents a united front. I see it pretty much in all groups to some degree or other, Republican, democrat, SJW, whatever. I just think things in general would be much better if people thought for themselves more than just adopting there groups ideal without question. It's why I don't consider myself a liberal despite being labeled it here every second post.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-26-2018, 1:21 PM Reply   
Trump reckons he would have run into parklands school without a gun. Ha ha, sure bro, sure. While i believe he is that stupid, i don't think he's that brave. Bonespurs anyone? Lol.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-26-2018, 2:50 PM Reply   
lie number 2163 for cadet bonespurs. LOL.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       02-26-2018, 2:55 PM Reply   
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Trump reckons he would have run into parklands school without a gun. Ha ha, sure bro, sure. While i believe he is that stupid, i don't think he's that brave. Bonespurs anyone? Lol.
I'm sure Trump meant he would do it after consulting with his lawyers first.

Anybody who claims something like this is talking out of their ass unless they have acctually done something like it before.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-28-2018, 1:54 PM Reply   
Quiet week at the White house.
Trump goes off on Sessions (again). This time for letting an "obama guy" do the investigating of little devin nunes claims of FISA abuse.
Former campaign manager, P Manafort was arraigned in District court.
NSA cheif Adm. Mike Rodgers says he has not been directed by the trump admin to Defenf or stop the russians with continued election tomfoolery. WTF? No collusion, its a witchhunt!!
https://www.politico.com/video/2018/...n-hacks-065151
Jared Kushner of I cant get a security clearance but i am council to the president fame...still doesnt have a security clearance. But the reasons why are coming out. Appears 4 countries have been overheard saying he is easy to manipulate. His failing business makes him suseptible to blackmail, he is a rookie, lacks foreign policy skills and they have been specifically requesting him to negotiate with. Its not the FBI calling the shots it is McMaster from the WH. The WH refuses to give clearance.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...D=ansmsnnews11
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/polit...ons/index.html
More but i have an appointment to get to. Cheers.
Waiting for the 2020 election? not trump, just announced his new Campaign manager. Nice pick. "Only the best".
Hope Hicks (white house comm director) is interogated by House investigative comittee, refuses to answer questions and admits she has to "lie"for trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...D=ansmsnnews11
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0e6a523026b6d
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       02-28-2018, 3:05 PM Reply   
Wow, now Hope Hicks resigns, leaving the job of lying to the president to "keep him calm" to some other lucky person. The dominoes keep falling.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/polit...use/index.html
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-28-2018, 3:24 PM Reply   
Trump has turned the White house into the Clown house. "Only the Best". embarrassing.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       02-28-2018, 3:44 PM Reply   
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that she had to testify to a congressional committee on Tuesday
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       02-28-2018, 5:06 PM Reply   
No big deal, she's only the third White House communications director to leave in a year XD
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-28-2018, 5:09 PM Reply   
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Trump has turned the White house into the Clown house. "Only the Best". embarrassing.
It's only embarrassing if you have any shame. Also Hope Hicks is uber hot, sad to see her go.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       02-28-2018, 5:39 PM Reply   
True, no shame with this group. Crazyness going on with his building in Panama too. Plus donnie jr. getting the money in India while its hot...discusting. If these were Clintons...the right would be storming the WH. Livin life like a reality TV baller that he is. MAGA
Uber hot, perhaps. she is what 28? 29? the past 2 years of trump make her appear 35. Her expiration date is approaching rapidly. I can only hope she has the smarts to break up with Rob Porter the accused wife beater. If not, i can assure you next time we see a pic of her she will have bruises.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       02-28-2018, 7:34 PM Reply   
Trump spouts off that he is a fan of taking peoples guns before due process is followed. Lol, I bet he forgot to mention that to the NRA, another well thought out policy from Drumpf.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-01-2018, 4:03 PM Reply   
And just like that the Nuclear arms race is back underway. Thanks Putin, Thanks Trump. Good work.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       03-01-2018, 4:53 PM Reply   
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       03-01-2018, 6:28 PM Reply   
Now McMaster is on his way out as soon as the new guy can get his finances in order to take over next month:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...b7Kz&ocid=iehp

So let's see, that'll be White House Communications Director #4 in a year, and National Security Adviser #3 in a year. What a ****show.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       03-01-2018, 9:40 PM Reply   
There was a prostitute who was arrested in Pattaya that does Not want to back to Russia, says she has all the dirt on Trump
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/deta...ional/30339907
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       03-02-2018, 7:53 AM Reply   
She knows that if she gets deported to Russia, Putin will have her killed.
You know Putin, the guy that trump gets along with really well....
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-02-2018, 1:18 PM Reply   
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Now McMaster is on his way out as soon as the new guy can get his finances in order to take over next month:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...b7Kz&ocid=iehp

So let's see, that'll be White House Communications Director #4 in a year, and National Security Adviser #3 in a year. What a ****show.
McMaster was the one with the balls to tell trump his son in law is compromised...he aint getting a security clearance. Plus he has publically said the russians **** on our election and are continuing to "F" with us now. That does not fit the trump spin on russian involvment. It does however align with statements from everyone else involved with the security of the nation. Are there no nepotism laws in this country?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/o...-nepotism.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/polit...ons/index.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news...sks/vi-BBJLKDR
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-02-2018, 2:55 PM Reply   
Keep on draining the swamp...
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ncement-timing
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-03-2018, 1:56 AM Reply   
Great work by trump slapping 25% tariff on steel imports, that will show those tricky Chinese who is boss. Or not. Especially since China isn't even in the top 10 of steel suppliers to the us and only supply 2% of imported steel.

Also did anyone notice that Putin can **** on about his new nuclear weapons and trump doesn't even mention it, it if was kim jun number un he would practically have a stroke.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-04-2018, 5:21 PM Reply   
Ooooo, Trump praises China's President XI for quashing presidential terms so now he can be president for life and suggests maybe you should try it in the US. What is it about these strongman dictators he likes so much?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       03-06-2018, 8:01 PM Reply   
the plot sickens (ok not really possible with Drumpf)
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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-06-2018, 10:07 PM Reply   
Oh ok. So Daniels is suing Trump to break her non-disclosure agreement about the affair that never happened. 130k to stay quiet about the affair. That never happened. That he paid her HushMoney for. Sweet. It's good to get these things clear in my head.
Old     (Smoothie)      Join Date: Feb 2018       03-07-2018, 4:15 AM Reply   
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Oh ok. So Daniels is suing Trump to break her non-disclosure agreement about the affair that never happened. 130k to stay quiet about the affair. That never happened. That he paid her HushMoney for. Sweet. It's good to get these things clear in my head.
"I did NOT have sexual relations with this woman."

Pretty sure an affair that a president denies is not groundbreaking.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-07-2018, 1:59 PM Reply   
Youre right its not, although it was the beginning of the end for Clinton. For trump its just a little titalating tidbit. Trump is in hot water because he is in cahoots with the russians, and just generally an A-hole.
Old     (Smoothie)      Join Date: Feb 2018       03-07-2018, 3:02 PM Reply   
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and just generally an A-hole.
I agree with that!
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-07-2018, 6:22 PM Reply   
Another one exits. Gary Cohn, Trumps top economic advisor. Guess he didnt agree with trumps "off the cuff" tarriffs on Steel and Alum.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/06/gary...ork-times.html
Old     (Smoothie)      Join Date: Feb 2018       03-07-2018, 7:09 PM Reply   
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Another one exits. Gary Cohn, Trumps top economic advisor. Guess he didnt agree with trumps "off the cuff" tarriffs on Steel and Alum.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/06/gary...ork-times.html
We import and sell steel. The crazy thing about the tariff is that the US has been importing so much for so long a lot of US production has stopped. US production literally can't keep up with the demand.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-07-2018, 10:15 PM Reply   
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We import and sell steel. The crazy thing about the tariff is that the US has been importing so much for so long a lot of US production has stopped. US production literally can't keep up with the demand.
Lol, stop listening to What Trump says, he is hopelessly uninformed. A 2s google is all it takes to dismantle his logic. US produce about 80mt per year and import about 30mt.
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Old     (Smoothie)      Join Date: Feb 2018       03-08-2018, 3:51 AM Reply   
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Lol, stop listening to What Trump says, he is hopelessly uninformed. A 2s google is all it takes to dismantle his logic. US produce about 80mt per year and import about 30mt.
So if imports slow down, where is the other 30mt going to come from? The other thing that will happen is the prices will go up, as the foreign manufacturers will raise their prices to cover the tariff. We have already gotten letters from some suppliers stating there will 've a significant price increase.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-08-2018, 10:45 AM Reply   
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So if imports slow down, where is the other 30mt going to come from? The other thing that will happen is the prices will go up, as the foreign manufacturers will raise their prices to cover the tariff. We have already gotten letters from some suppliers stating there will 've a significant price increase.
The net result of the tariff is the local price of steel will go up 25%. Currently US export 10mt of local production, this will most likely stay local now if you get more for it locally than export it, and most likely the requirement for steel will decrease due to the increased price. Everything that uses steel will increase in price, cars, buildings, guns etc. The line that Trump trots out that the steel industry is in trouble after years of tarrif abuse just isn't true, steel production has been stable since the 70s. Economic incompetence.
Old     (stanfield)      Join Date: Mar 2004       03-08-2018, 12:36 PM Reply   
I too work in the steel industry here in the US and buy hundreds of tons a day. Steel plants all over the US have been shut down over the decades because of cheap imported steel that is usually inferior in quality. The issue at hand is protecting our manufacturing capabilities. If we were to find ourselves more reliant on imported steel than we already are and we've closed down all of our plants, what happens when the next WW breaks out and nobody will sell us any? I strongly agree that our manufacturing capabilities need to be protected when it comes to steel, but I don't know exactly how it should be done (over my pay grade). Just the talk of these tariffs has sent the steel industry into a tailspin. I have quarterly contract pricing from the domestic mills which protects me, but after April 1st it's going to be crazy. For smaller run stuff that I get from distributors, quoted prices are only being held for 2 hours lol. Never seen anything like it. While we still have the capacity to meet domestic demand, steel mills are still closing down regularly because of the artificially low prices.

This is a complex issue that the Commerce dept has been looking at for years and ultimately recommended this sort of action.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steel-a...-donald-trump/
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       03-08-2018, 12:58 PM Reply   
If you want to import less and employ more Americans its going to cost more. Do you want more American jobs, or cheaper stuff? You can't have both.
Old     (stanfield)      Join Date: Mar 2004       03-08-2018, 1:24 PM Reply   
The whole jobs thing when it comes steel mills is fake news. If you haven't been to a modern mill, youtube it. They're just one big fully automated machine with a few guys in a control room running the entire thing. Loaded on rail / truck and off it goes, very little manpower required to produce steel these days.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       03-08-2018, 3:38 PM Reply   
In the case of steel you're increasing the cost of inputs into manufacturing and making these costs higher and thus reducing demand for products that we export. Also these products are likely to be in industries that are more labor intensive.

Retaliatory tariffs will lead to higher costs all round and thus reduce demand (or supply depending on how you look at it).

So products cost more, people buy less and thus there are less total jobs to go round.

Or maybe it's something else. Would love to see the analysis on this from those who get paid to do this type of thing.


I get the argument that not producing enough steel can be seen as a national security risk and the government has determined its worth it to support the industry. I'd think that subsidies would be a better option for propping up US Steel without the down stream effects.

But I'm just a backyard economist so what do I know.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       03-08-2018, 3:39 PM Reply   
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I too work in the steel industry here in the US and buy hundreds of tons a day. Steel plants all over the US have been shut down over the decades because of cheap imported steel that is usually inferior in quality. The issue at hand is protecting our manufacturing capabilities. If we were to find ourselves more reliant on imported steel than we already are and we've closed down all of our plants, what happens when the next WW breaks out and nobody will sell us any? I strongly agree that our manufacturing capabilities need to be protected when it comes to steel, but I don't know exactly how it should be done (over my pay grade). Just the talk of these tariffs has sent the steel industry into a tailspin. I have quarterly contract pricing from the domestic mills which protects me, but after April 1st it's going to be crazy. For smaller run stuff that I get from distributors, quoted prices are only being held for 2 hours lol. Never seen anything like it. While we still have the capacity to meet domestic demand, steel mills are still closing down regularly because of the artificially low prices.

This is a complex issue that the Commerce dept has been looking at for years and ultimately recommended this sort of action.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steel-a...-donald-trump/
Interesting stuff. thanks for posting.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-08-2018, 4:18 PM Reply   
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Would love to see the analysis on this from those who get paid to do this type of thing.
true that. Except they didnt do any...other than Trumps Senior Economics Advisor, Gary Cohn, who quit last week after trump quit listening to him.

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The whole jobs thing when it comes steel mills is fake news. If you haven't been to a modern mill, youtube it. They're just one big fully automated machine with a few guys in a control room running the entire thing. Loaded on rail / truck and off it goes, very little manpower required to produce steel these days.
This is why I dont think tarriffs will bring back the steel industry. Its automated it takes less workers to create more.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       03-08-2018, 6:30 PM Reply   
Trump's Secretary of the Interior spending $139,000 on new doors lol. Evidently he wasn't aware of the contract.

Sounds like someone was trying to sneak in a $130,000 porn star hush payment on top of a $9k door order haha



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...nterior-448425
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       03-09-2018, 8:45 AM Reply   
Who gives a **** about the porn star story. It was 2006. She has big boobs & a great ass, I would rail the hell out of it while being insecure about it after seeing the size of the wangs she has taken. The story is a huge nothing burger but siliceous story that gives the rabid left more ammo for their full turn to retardation.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       03-09-2018, 10:32 AM Reply   
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Who gives a **** about the porn star story. It was 2006. She has big boobs & a great ass, I would rail the hell out of it while being insecure about it after seeing the size of the wangs she has taken. The story is a huge nothing burger but siliceous story that gives the rabid left more ammo for their full turn to retardation.
Maybe but can you imagine if Obama was banging a stripper. The right would've been preaching fire and brimstone.


Racer808, hope you don't have a wife and kids.
If you're a married man with a pregnant wife, ****ing anybody is a pretty ****ty thing to do. So yeah, it's totally news worthy if the president did it.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       03-09-2018, 11:59 AM Reply   
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Maybe but can you imagine if Obama was banging a stripper. The right would've been preaching fire and brimstone.


Racer808, hope you don't have a wife and kids.
If you're a married man with a pregnant wife, ****ing anybody is a pretty ****ty thing to do. So yeah, it's totally news worthy if the president did it.
If Obama would have been banging strippers 10 years before he became president the right might be on the edge their seats shouting but it would have been a nothing burger & with the media on the lefts side it would have been portrayed as a nothing burger with plenty of annotations that nothing illegal happened. Maybe Melina for as good as she looks is a bitch & boring in bed? I don't know, I don't care. There is nothing about this that can do anything other than give the left & the media something to harp on. I hated my first wife & all we did was cheat on each but stay together for the kids, I was miserable. I have enjoyed banging many strippers before & after her over the years, they're always fun, playful, down for almost anything including inviting their friends in & having drugged fueled threesomes & I could give two ****s what anyone thinks about it. When you lefties finally find something to impeach Trump for let us all know. Railing a porn star like Stormy is a high five. In fact, she's gonna be in Denver at Diamonds in June & I plan to go enjoy looking at those melons & getting **** faced with my boys.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-09-2018, 1:38 PM Reply   
Its a titillating news bit, i think the left is more looking at the money side, campaign finance rules and the like. Remember this is the Religious rights candidate. 5 kids from 3 diff babymamas and he cheated on every single one. Isnt there about 19 women who have accused him sex assault? ...That he promised to sue right after the election "DAY ONE". A president with zero ethics is just a bad choice by the voters.
Still a nice week for trump. His campaign manager wearing 2 ankle bracelets, charged in state and federal court on several dozen felonies, Mueller flipping another witness George Nader who was at 2 of the secret meetings to create backchannel communications direct to Putin. Gates pleaded guilty and cooperating. Trump, under severe Mueller pressure unloads on Sessions (again). Sessions proving s h i t does indeed roll down hill unloads on California. South Korea plays asiandate.com and sets up Rocketman and Humpty Trumty so they can compare "button" size. Trump himself tampering with Muellers witnesses. All while trump campaigns for 2020. Get out and vote.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       03-09-2018, 2:08 PM Reply   
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Its a titillating news bit, i think the left is more looking at the money side, campaign finance rules and the like. Remember this is the Religious rights candidate. 5 kids from 3 diff babymamas and he cheated on every single one. Isnt there about 19 women who have accused him sex assault? ...That he promised to sue right after the election "DAY ONE". A president with zero ethics is just a bad choice by the voters.
Still a nice week for trump. His campaign manager wearing 2 ankle bracelets, charged in state and federal court on several dozen felonies, Mueller flipping another witness George Nader who was at 2 of the secret meetings to create backchannel communications direct to Putin. Gates pleaded guilty and cooperating. Trump, under severe Mueller pressure unloads on Sessions (again). Sessions proving s h i t does indeed roll down hill unloads on California. South Korea plays asiandate.com and sets up Rocketman and Humpty Trumty so they can compare "button" size. Trump himself tampering with Muellers witnesses. All while trump campaigns for 2020. Get out and vote.
Why you gotta ruin the thoughts of large melons?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-09-2018, 2:21 PM Reply   
I apologize. Stormy was fine in 06 but shes slopped up so much DNA by now ...gives my the creeps.
Save your rain money.
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