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Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-19-2008, 8:53 AM Reply   
Sorry to throw out another one of these threads because I know theres a ton of them but was very curious. I had the opportunity to take out the lyman yesterday and absolutely fell in love with it!!! Amazing board!!! super fast, light, and a little looser than im use to but honestly a welcomed suprise. I have also been wanting to get out on a witness but the local pro shop i got the lyman from doesnt have one. how similar are the boards??? Is it absolutely necesarry I get out on the witness before I make my decision. Im coming from an obrien demented which has been an AWESOME board for me however it is kind of a tank. Weighs the same as the lyman board without bindings as the lyman does with.... I have heard awesome reviews about the witness to so thats what makes me so curious. Really dont want to drop 250 on a board unless I know its the right one. Also I should mention ive never really ridden Liquid Force but man oh man they did it RIGHT on the Lyman!!!!!
Old     (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: SF Bay Area       08-19-2008, 9:27 AM Reply   
witness is a little less Poppy than the Lyman, but still has great POP, but not loose like the lyman at all. Holds/bites/edges hard. Not as fast as the Lyman, but still quick.
Old     (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       08-19-2008, 10:31 AM Reply   
and the lyman lands A LOT softer
Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-19-2008, 11:01 AM Reply   
so basically the lyman is the best thing to happen to wakeboarding....
Old     (eyedvride)      Join Date: Aug 2006       08-19-2008, 11:32 AM Reply   
Jesse, what size did you demo? I'm curious about the same board vs the 2008 murray.
Old     (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       08-19-2008, 12:15 PM Reply   
I have ridden a lot of boards and the Lyman is my favorite thus far. The Murray would be next...
Old     (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       08-19-2008, 12:23 PM Reply   
jesse, is, especially with the ltd vantages
Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-19-2008, 12:51 PM Reply   
I like it Josh!!! :-) Diego Im 6'2 200 and demoed the 143.
Old     (skatehawk11)      Join Date: May 2008       08-19-2008, 1:44 PM Reply   
i ride a witness and i really wanna try a lyman....overall the witness is the best board i've ever ridden. Its got real predictable pop. I ride it without the center fin so its pretty loose flat but once you throw it on its edge it grips real good. The one this i like about the witness that seems to be different from any other board is the edge is pretty thick and round all the way from tip to tail. Its not tapered like the lyman so it makes its real forgiving if you catch an edge.
Old     (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       08-19-2008, 2:50 PM Reply   
dude the lymans pretty forgiving as well dude, i've landed it in butterslides before (scared though)

and it has the same feel as the witness, very loose when flat but once its on edge it locks right in and accelerates like WHOA !

i like it with the extra fins though because it'll feel like its tracking and you'll look down and it's basically in a butterslide lol. CUPPED FINS RULE !
Old     (absoluteboarder)      Join Date: Aug 2002       08-19-2008, 3:49 PM Reply   
The Lyman is an incredible it flexes a fair makes our cwb's look very stiff in comparison (marius and absolute)

I havent tried the witness but the tail is thinner on the lyman....thus more flex. Anyone had them side by side?
Old     (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       08-19-2008, 4:26 PM Reply   
the lyman is also a little thicker in the center i believe ?
Old    thebiggmann            08-19-2008, 10:05 PM Reply   
Sorry for the hijack. How does the Lyman stack up to the Watson?
Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-19-2008, 10:47 PM Reply   
Well just made the decision for me!!!! Rode the lyman again tonight and am pretty jacked about gettin one!!!


I have ridden both watson and lyman and to be honest theres not a lot of difference. the lyman feels a little bigger but other than that both are very predictable and about the same amount of looseness.... The watson might sit just a tad deeper in the water.... If you love your watson I would stick with it because theres not a lot of difference between the two.
Old    thebiggmann            08-19-2008, 10:53 PM Reply   
Well I don't have a Watson, I was just wondering how the two compared. BBB is making it very hard though, as I'm not sure I want to take a chance and wait for a Watson that may never come on there.
Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-19-2008, 11:15 PM Reply   
dude... what are you riding now???
Old     (dkmode34)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-20-2008, 12:51 AM Reply   
lyman on bbb today
Old     (rkg)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-20-2008, 7:57 AM Reply   
Sort of on topic- How does the Lyman compare to the 08 Murray? I saw the post above that put the Lyman just above the Murray, any other opinions? I currently ride an 06 Parks and decided I want to try something else.
Old     (billy2603)      Join Date: Mar 2007       08-20-2008, 8:50 AM Reply   
How about a Lyman vs a Shane?
Old     (salsajs3030)      Join Date: Aug 2008       08-20-2008, 9:02 AM Reply   
08 Liquid Force Lyman 143
BoardersBestBuy: $179.90 + 30 for shipping.
Great deal!
Old     (psikt)      Join Date: Aug 2008       08-20-2008, 9:24 AM Reply   
hey, just wanna know the difference between a lyman vs ps3 as well. i'm riding a 06 ps3 and have been thinking about switching to a lyman
Old    thebiggmann            08-20-2008, 9:36 AM Reply   
Lol I would be riding an '07 Murray
Old     (eternalshadow)      Join Date: Nov 2001       08-20-2008, 9:37 AM Reply   
I've demoed the witness, watson, and purchased a Lyman.

Lyman vs Witness,
Witness is a solid board that tracks and carries well. It feels like it tracks harder but not quite as fast, it's mellower in the transition phase. It's not as poppy but as I said it carries.

Lyman vs Watson
The Lyman transitions faster, it still allows the same edge speed but the board overal feels quicker to respond. The pop is more abrupt, not sure about bigger but you know when you've nailed it.
Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-20-2008, 9:57 AM Reply   
Old     (rmaloney)      Join Date: Jun 2008       08-20-2008, 12:09 PM Reply   
I ordered mine from BBB today and I'm LOOKING FORWARD to it!
Old     (absoluteboarder)      Join Date: Aug 2002       08-20-2008, 12:46 PM Reply   
you guys are gonna love your boards....especially russell....being older.

the lyman lands super can feel it flex on landings. its a rocket ship!!
Old     (rkg)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-20-2008, 1:09 PM Reply   
Well. I ordered my Lyman today and a pair of Ronix Reliks to go with it. Will be curious to see how well it works now.
Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-20-2008, 3:08 PM Reply   
Old     (dreamrider)      Join Date: Jul 2008       08-20-2008, 3:20 PM Reply   
dang they sold out on BBB.
Old     (lives2wake)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-20-2008, 3:29 PM Reply   
I've ridden the Lyman a few times and thought it was a great board. I'm getting the Witness 144 in a few days. I'll report later.
Old     (megatmoe)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-20-2008, 9:18 PM Reply   
I just bought the Lyman 139! Now I have to wait for it to get here! Im gonna go CRAZY!
Old     (kana12)      Join Date: Jan 2008       08-20-2008, 9:29 PM Reply   
the lyman is tec. the axis isnt it just with removable fins ?
Old     (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       08-20-2008, 11:18 PM Reply   
william, the axis is faster, pops the same, and lands harder.

personally i dont see the reason to need the axis in the lineup with the balliness of the lyman. but thats just me

you are all going to love the Lyman. i just slapped a pair of LTD vantages on mine this last week and am LOVING THE COMBO !!!!!! looks sick, the vantages have to be the best boots this year. Together with the way the lyman rides it just makes you want to bone/poke every grab out into the flats
Old     (j_money)      Join Date: May 2006       08-21-2008, 5:57 AM Reply   
Old     (eternalshadow)      Join Date: Nov 2001       08-21-2008, 10:53 AM Reply   
Josh the solid black on black? I'm rocking the same set up! With the red in the board, I rocked out a pair of crimson board shorts, black riders bib over my vest and had my hair with red streaks/highlights for some style this past weekend at the Canadian Wakeboard Championships.

(Message edited by EternalShadow on August 21, 2008)
Old     (damned04)      Join Date: May 2005       08-21-2008, 11:10 AM Reply   
Rocking a lyman with vantages also. Seems like a popular combo. I still don't have fins for it but I'm actually liking how it rides finless. The board is fast, a good amount quicker than the transcend I used to ride. Pop is effortless and the landings are softest of any board I've ridden.
Old     (megatmoe)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-21-2008, 11:19 AM Reply   
Andy, What size Lyman do you have? The 139 or 143 and what is your height, weight?
Old     (lives2wake)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-22-2008, 1:40 AM Reply   
I'm happy with my choice. The Witness has a nice fluid and controllable pop and a solid edge hold into the wake. Great board, I'm looking forward to getting used to it.
Old     (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       08-22-2008, 3:28 AM Reply   
Jeffery wait till you hear this, all but one of my boardshorts are black red and white, the one that matches the best being the quicksilver campeons, but wait theres more ! i also rock the black and red quicksilver ignite vest !

was soo ballin the day i wore that whole outfit (also with a red and black bandanna lol)
Old     (eternalshadow)      Join Date: Nov 2001       08-22-2008, 10:45 PM Reply   
LOL Nice Josh!

I'm sporting a couple pairs of black and red boardshorts myself, my current aquisition being a pair of oakley takumio that I rocked out the red lockes with. I'm wearing the Oneil vapor with the silver and slight red accents too, unfortunately that was covered by a contest bib.

I still had fun with the red and black styles.
Old     (rbc_racing)      Join Date: Jan 2007       08-24-2008, 7:26 AM Reply   
the 08 witness 144 is on Boarders best buy for 159.00 today
Old     (megatmoe)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-24-2008, 8:11 PM Reply   
I saw that Randall. 144 is just too big. I think im gonna return the 139 Lyman I ordered. Im 6'1 195pds I think the 139 is a tad too small for me.
Old     (rbc_racing)      Join Date: Jan 2007       08-24-2008, 8:33 PM Reply   
I ride the lyman 139 and I'm 5'10 190-195 lbs and I love it, I've got one of the limited boards and it was only available in 139. I changed from a transend platinum 141 to the Lyman and for me the lyman is easier to ride(by easier I mean it doesn't tire me out as quickly). The difference in size from a 139 to a 141 is only about an inch anyway, I seriously doubt you will notice much difference in the ride.
Old     (damned04)      Join Date: May 2005       08-24-2008, 8:55 PM Reply   
megatmoe, I'm 5'11 and 140lbs. At my weight and height I could ride the 135, but when I demo'd it I took a few grabs big and the board would start to drift behind me. The 139 took about 2 sets to get completely used to coming off a transcend. Especially cus I ride the lyman finless, it's alot looser than my transcend with fins. I rode the shane too, absolutely loved it. Perfect feel with the fins in and the pop was huge and predictable. I chose the lyman cus I wanted a 139 instead of a 136


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