Who is gonna put the new C.O sitckers on.

If you dont know people in Californa got these nifty C.O stickers included with 07 registration stickers and a pamflet on the dangers of carbon monoxide (co). I read threw the flyer and its ask's you to place one of the stickers on the dash where the driver can see it and one on the transome/swimdeck aera. To me this sticker is as dumb as the hair dryer in the shower sticker that come on all hair dryer's.

I though it also says it is law. That you have to put them on the boat.

I got my 07 stickers a couple of months ago and there wasn't any such sticker with them?

It sounds like it's going to be one more reason to get pulled over and inspected for.

Like I said Nothing in the flyer that came with the stickers said that they had to be placed. But then again I guess its how you read into it. When you get the new registration stickers there is nothing saying your Have to place that on your boat, you just know by not having it your gonna get pulled over this might be the same type of thing. Mabey someone can look into a bit more

I got those with my jet ski and my boat but they are already in the garbage.

Stupid California legislators. I imagine sickers warning people not to eat the big white mints in urinals will be next...

I'm just going to get that as a tattoo.

Much cooler than the tribal/barb wire tats that so many wankers are sporting.

ours is registered in AZ, so no stupid stickers for me!!!

http://dbw.ca.gov/codanger.asp#decals

"Assembly Bill 2222 (Koretz) requires that a set of carbon monoxide warning stickers be placed on the transom and helm of all new and used motorized vessels sold in California beginning May 1, 2005."



Just because they mail you the stickers, I don't think you must put them on.

The Sticker that I received say on the back side that the law requires these decals to be placed on the stern and transom

Mine were in the trash pile but I started feeling a little guilty so I pulled them out and stuck them in the envelope. They will live in my glovebox until a sherriff threatens to cite me, at that point I will fold the corners back and put them on the boat to avoid a citation.

Idiot Koretz...

those aren't just big altoids?

I stick mine on the inside lid of my dry box that I keep all my documents in.

I dont get governments constant need to save all the retards from themselves.

Dub.. Most retards don't know they are retarded. LOL. Some need saving. Just be glad MO and WA don't require them yet. Then again I'm sure all the warning stickers on my new boat will add about 100lbs of additional weight to the ballast. So maybe it ain't that bad.

If you come on my boat, you won't need the sticker. I shutter-down when people are back there.

I'm with (MikeSki) mine are going to live in the
glove box, until notified otherwise.

G.

If you all remember, the initial writing of this bill was going to make it illegal to have the motor running with someone less than 20 feet behind the boat. The issue was brought to our attention as a result of a posting and encouraged us to write to the bills sponsor to make the necessary adjustments to allow us to continue to do things like wakesurf. I did write the bills sponsor and so did a lot of people from this site, so putting a decal on the back of my boat is a small price to pay for the modifications that were made to the bill to allow us to continue to do what we love to do.

There have been a fair amount of lives lost to Carbon Monoxide poisoning. Obliviously some people don’t know any better. It is too bad that the ignorance of a few affect so many others.

But then again, these same legislators think it is ok to allow someone to operate a marine vehicle without any instruction. How many of you have had a close call with someone whose excuse was ignorance

"There have been a fair amount of lives lost to Carbon Monoxide poisoning."

After looking into to it a bit, it's much lower than I imagined. 113 deaths since 1990. That includes all boats (houseboats running generators, etc.).

http://www.boatus.com/gov/tackling_co.htm

Does anyone have data for deaths in wake/ski boats that were specifically linked to CO poisoning?

I put mine on, I just don't want to go threw with the hassle. I have been to some lakes where the law man checks your boat then you can go on like a check point.

The first thing I do when I get something new is rip off all the warning stickers. They are ugly and make the boat look cheap.

I got mine and put them in the "I'll take care of it later pile of sheet!" Since my boat is winterized for my move to Washington next month no more CA pricks to screw with me!

GIve you adea I got pulled over the summer before last and got a ticket for not having (a demo boat) numbers displayed in the window ( they were in the glove box as we had just launched, and a ticket for the dealer rep not being onboard, hello we just luanched and he was parking the truck!!, showed up in my NAVY uniform to court and the judge laughed at the officer and dismissed the ticket...... and these guys are protecting us!?! how freaking scary..

Here is the bill-

BILL NUMBER: AB 2222 CHAPTERED
BILL TEXT

CHAPTER 565
FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE SEPTEMBER 17, 2004
APPROVED BY GOVERNOR SEPTEMBER 17, 2004
PASSED THE ASSEMBLY AUGUST 25, 2004
PASSED THE SENATE AUGUST 23, 2004
AMENDED IN SENATE AUGUST 17, 2004
AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 15, 2004
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MAY 20, 2004
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL 26, 2004
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL 12, 2004

INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Koretz
(Coauthors: Assembly Members Lieber and Negrete McLeod)
(Coauthor: Senator Soto)

FEBRUARY 18, 2004

An act to add Article 1.5 (commencing with Section 680) to Chapter
5 of Division 3 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, relating to
boating safety.



LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


AB 2222, Koretz. Boating safety.
The Department of Boating and Waterways regulates the operation of
vessels on inland and coastal waters of California. Existing law
makes all money in the Harbors and Watercraft Revolving Fund
available, to pay appropriations for, among other things, boating
safety.
This bill would enact the Anthony Farr and Stacy Beckett Boating
Safety Act of 2004. The act would make it unlawful to operate a
motorized vessel, or have the engine of a motorized vessel run idle,
while someone is teak surfing, platform dragging, or bodysurfing
behind the motorized vessel, or while someone is occupying or holding
onto the swim platform, swim deck, swim step, or swim ladder of the
motorized vessel, as specified. By making a violation of these
provisions an infraction, this bill would create a state-mandated
local program.
The act would specify certain requirements for state-sponsored
boating safety courses, require any new or used motorized vessel,
when sold, to bear warning stickers as to the danger of carbon
monoxide poisoning and boats, and require that certain informational
materials distributed by the Department of Motor Vehicles with
respect to renewals for boat registrations contain similar
information about the dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning and boats.
The bill would make these latter 2 requirements regarding warning
stickers and informational materials operative on May 1, 2005.
The bill would permit the Department of Boating and Waterways to
use funds in the Harbors and Watercraft Revolving Fund appropriated
to the department to administer this act and to reimburse the
Department of Motor Vehicles for its costs to administer this act.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
act for a specified reason.


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


SECTION 1. The Legislature finds and declares all of the
following:
(a) Carbon monoxide (CO) is a potentially deadly gas that is
odorless, colorless, and tasteless and is found as a byproduct of
internal combustion engines. CO enters the bloodstream through the
lungs and displaces the oxygen needed by the body with a resulting
hypoxia (suffocating) of body tissues. Symptoms of CO poisoning
include rapid onset of headache, fatigue, nausea, dizziness,
confusion, convulsions, and death.
(b) Marine engines are not subject to the same federal and
state-mandated emission controls as automobiles and therefore have
been able to emit dangerously high CO concentrations into the
atmosphere, increasing the chance of exposure to potentially lethal
amounts of CO.
(c) Federal officials have found that CO can gather in deadly
concentrations behind ski boats, cabin cruisers, and even personal
watercraft due to their propulsion engines.
(d) Dangerous levels of CO are often around swim decks and areas
where occupants frequently sit or swim at the stern of the boat
because the exhaust ports for both propulsion engines and generators
are located nearby.
(e) The new trends of "teak surfing," "platform dragging," or
"bodysurfing" seem to have increased the number of these poisonings.
Victims can be overcome by carbon monoxide in a matter of minutes,
even when monitored by other boat occupants.
(f) The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health
(NIOSH) within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC),
the United States Department of the Interior, and the United States
Coast Guard have studied this issue extensively and have reported
that these poisonings have reached "epidemic proportions."
(g) These agencies have tracked 101 deaths and 402 poisonings
through October 2003, with 34 poisonings in California alone. These
numbers likely underreport the actual number of incidents because
many deaths may be misdiagnosed simply as a drowning.
(h) There is a lack of awareness and knowledge among recreational
boaters of the dangers of CO poisoning, which has resulted in many
deaths and injuries.
(i) Three California families have recently suffered a devastating
loss due to CO poisoning around boats. In May of 2003, 11-year old
Anthony Farr of El Dorado Hills died at Folsom Lake after being
overcome by carbon monoxide while bodysurfing behind a family friend'
s boat. In September of 2001, 62-year old Bruce Allen (Skip) Bauer
died while swimming near his boat at Lake Shasta. In July of 2000,
15-year old Stacy Beckett of Ontario died while platform dragging
behind a boat in Mexico. Many others have lost their lives or have
been poisoned in the same way around the country just in the last
three years.
SEC. 2. It is the intent of the Legislature to do all of the
following:
(a) Educate Californians and raise awareness about the dangers of
carbon monoxide poisoning while boating.
(b) Make it a crime to operate a motorized vessel, or have the
engine of a motorized vessel run idle, when someone is teak surfing,
bodysurfing, or platform dragging behind the motorized vessel, or
when someone is occupying or holding onto the swim platform, swim
deck, swim step, or swim ladder.
(c) Urge manufacturers of motorboats to invest in research and
development to do both of the following:
(1) Reduce the carbon monoxide emissions from their engines as
soon as possible.
(2) Design a motorboat that would better protect boaters from all
CO emissions.
SEC. 3. Article 1.5 (commencing with Section 680) is added to
Chapter 5 of Division 3 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, to read:


Article 1.5. Anthony Farr and Stacy Beckett Boating Safety Act
of 2004

680. This act shall be known as the Anthony Farr and Stacy
Beckett Boating Safety Act of 2004, and may be cited as Anthony and
Stacy's Law.
681. (a) It is unlawful to operate a motorized vessel or have the
engine of a motorized vessel run idle while an individual is teak
surfing, platform dragging, or bodysurfing behind the motorized
vessel.
(b) It is unlawful to operate a motorized vessel or have the
engine of a motorized vessel run idle while an individual is
occupying or holding onto the swim platform, swim deck, swim step, or
swim ladder of the vessel.
(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply when an individual is occupying
the swim platform, swim deck, swim step, or swim ladder for a very
brief period of time while assisting with the docking or departure of
the vessel, while exiting or entering the vessel, or while the
vessel is engaged in law enforcement or emergency rescue activity.
(d) "Teak surfing" or "platform dragging" means holding onto the
swim platform, swim deck, swim step, swim ladder, or any portion of
the exterior of the transom of a motorized vessel for any amount of
time while the motorized vessel is underway at any speed.
(e) "Bodysurfing" means swimming or floating on one's stomach or
on one's back on or in the wake directly behind a motorized vessel
that is underway.
(f) "Vessel" has the same meaning as set forth in subdivision (e)
of Section 775.5.
(g) A violation of this section is an infraction punishable by a
fine of up to one hundred dollars ($100). Nothing in this
subdivision shall be considered in relation to a suspension,
restriction, or delay of driving privileges, or in the determination
of a violation point count as provided in Section 12810 of the
Vehicle Code.
682. All state-sponsored boating safety courses and all boating
safety courses that require state approval by the Department of
Boating and Waterways shall incorporate information about the dangers
of being overcome by carbon monoxide poisoning at the stern of a
motorized vessel and how to prevent that poisoning.
683. (a) When a new or used motorized vessel is sold in
California, the two carbon monoxide poisoning warning stickers
developed by the Department of Boating and Waterways shall be placed
on the motorized vessel. The smaller sticker shall be placed in the
interior of the motorized vessel where it is immediately visible to
the person operating the motorized vessel the larger sticker shall be
placed facing out on the exterior of the stern or transom of the
motorized vessel, unless the motorized vessel is inflatable and the
sticker would not adhere to the surface of the stern.
(b) For a motorized vessel sold by a dealer, the dealer shall
ensure that both warning stickers have been affixed prior to the
completion of the transaction.
(c) For a motorized vessel sold by an individual, both stickers
shall be included by the Department of Motor Vehicles in the new
registration material provided to the new owner, and the new owner of
the motorized vessel shall be notified that he or she is required to
affix the smaller sticker in the interior of the motorized vessel
where it is immediately visible to the operator of the motorized
vessel and the larger sticker facing out on the exterior of the stern
or transom of the motorized vessel, unless the motorized vessel is
inflatable and the sticker would not adhere to the surface of the
stern.
(d) A warning sticker already developed by the boating
manufacturer may satisfy the requirements of this section if it has
been approved in advance by the Department of Boating and Waterways.

(e) This section shall become operative on May 1, 2005.
684. (a) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall insert the
Department of Boating and Waterways' informational brochure and
warning stickers about the dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning and
boats into the registration renewal materials mailed by the
Department of Motor Vehicles to vessel owners for two consecutive
two-year registration cycles and, thereafter, upon the recommendation
of the Director of Boating and Waterways. These materials shall
instruct vessel owners to place the two stickers in the motorized
vessel so that the smaller sticker is visible to the person operating
the motorized vessel and the larger sticker is facing out on the
exterior of the stern or transom of the motorized vessel, unless the
motorized vessel is inflatable and the sticker would not adhere to
the surface of the stern.
(b) This section shall become operative on May 1, 2005.
685. The Department of Boating and Waterways pursuant to
subdivision (a) of Section 85.2 may use funds in the Harbors and
Watercraft Revolving Fund, created pursuant to Section 85, to
administer this chapter and to reimburse the Department of Motor
Vehicles for its costs to administer this chapter.
SEC. 4. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to
Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because
the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school
district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or
infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty
for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the
Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the
meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California
Constitution.

Here are the sections regarding putting them on your boat. Not something I want to do. (I hate these frigin statewide idiot proofings)

The first part says that it only has to be there on New or Used boats during sale, since I already own mine I do not have to have it on there according to this section of the bill. The second part below does not say it is required, just that we are instructed to place them in their appropriate locations. Hopefully, this can be my loophole.

683. (a) When a new or used motorized vessel is sold in
California, the two carbon monoxide poisoning warning stickers
developed by the Department of Boating and Waterways shall be placed
on the motorized vessel. The smaller sticker shall be placed in the
interior of the motorized vessel where it is immediately visible to
the person operating the motorized vessel the larger sticker shall be
placed facing out on the exterior of the stern or transom of the
motorized vessel, unless the motorized vessel is inflatable and the
sticker would not adhere to the surface of the stern.
(b) For a motorized vessel sold by a dealer, the dealer shall
ensure that both warning stickers have been affixed prior to the
completion of the transaction.
(c) For a motorized vessel sold by an individual, both stickers
shall be included by the Department of Motor Vehicles in the new
registration material provided to the new owner, and the new owner of
the motorized vessel shall be notified that he or she is required to
affix the smaller sticker in the interior of the motorized vessel
where it is immediately visible to the operator of the motorized
vessel and the larger sticker facing out on the exterior of the stern
or transom of the motorized vessel, unless the motorized vessel is
inflatable and the sticker would not adhere to the surface of the
stern.

AND

683. (a) When a new or used motorized vessel is sold in
California, the two carbon monoxide poisoning warning stickers
developed by the Department of Boating and Waterways shall be placed
on the motorized vessel. The smaller sticker shall be placed in the
interior of the motorized vessel where it is immediately visible to
the person operating the motorized vessel the larger sticker shall be
placed facing out on the exterior of the stern or transom of the
motorized vessel, unless the motorized vessel is inflatable and the
sticker would not adhere to the surface of the stern.
(b) For a motorized vessel sold by a dealer, the dealer shall
ensure that both warning stickers have been affixed prior to the
completion of the transaction.
(c) For a motorized vessel sold by an individual, both stickers
shall be included by the Department of Motor Vehicles in the new
registration material provided to the new owner, and the new owner of
the motorized vessel shall be notified that he or she is required to
affix the smaller sticker in the interior of the motorized vessel
where it is immediately visible to the operator of the motorized
vessel and the larger sticker facing out on the exterior of the stern
or transom of the motorized vessel, unless the motorized vessel is
inflatable and the sticker would not adhere to the surface of the
stern.}

Wow, just the kind of pretty artwork you want to slap on the exterior and interior of a $70K boat. How big are those stickers?

I agree that platform dragging while the prop is running should be illegal.

However, these stickers seem more like the result of the litigation happy California lawyers. Anything not carrying a warning about everything that could possibly go wrong is a potential source of income for the leeches.

Interesting. I did my registration through AAA, and they said that the DMV didnt even give them the CO stickers to distribute. But they DID give the registration stickers. How is that going to work?

I'm not putting them on. I'm throwing them in the glove box and forgetting about them. Hell most of us take off the stupid warning stickers from the manufacturer. I doubt the sheriffs are gonna pull people over because they don't have the stickers on. They may add it as an infraction if you get pulled over for something else but not just for that.

Not going on mine either. Doesn't it say that they only need to go on if the boat is purchased after a certain date? I think if you purchased before that date you are exempt.

I also went thru AAA for registration and did not receive the stickers .

"(d) A warning sticker already developed by the boating
manufacturer may satisfy the requirements of this section if it has
been approved in advance by the Department of Boating and Waterways."

Pretty sure that the factory Correct Craft stickers would meet this requirement.

In response to the lack of reported deaths from Carbon Monoxide poisoning - many/most of these deaths have/had been attributed to heart attack/stroke because the authorities weren't aware that the amounts of carbon monoxide were so high that they were killing people. The figures are not correct and are misleading due to lack of awareness.

Maureen,

I was not going to reply but I am sorry no sticker in the world is going to stop people from doing what they do! There is a thing called an owners amnual for the boat which clearly states the CO issue, not to mention the constant reminders that are all around us. By forcing people to to put these stickers on only goes to show how big brother in constantly invading our privacy! When we purchase a product we have the right to have or have not stickers on our personal property!

If the state wants to take thing serious thenget serious about things like DUI's, why is it we renently had a guy convicted of his 4th DUI drive away from a police station only to get drunk again and kill a police officer with his car!

Or why not make it law for every house to have socket protectors so that babies to get shocked or killed?

See how ridiculous this sounds?

Stickers on boats show be the VERY LAST thing our goverment is worried about when they should be taking on issues with greater precedence!

and california people wonder why people from other states laugh at them!

every wonder why there isnt required safety course for boat owners, I wonder if this would be the correct place to start?

I'm gonna mount mine over my butthole.

I am sure this reply is gonna be trouble.

I wouldn't want the sticker on my boat but... if it meant gettting pulled over or not getting pulled over simply because Mr. Sherrif did not see it i would have that sticker on my boat in plain view. Don't kid yourself into thinking you won't get pulled over for not having a sticker. That is like the loud obnoxious fat chick with the black and white cowhide looking cowgirl hat you see at the bar... she draws more attention to her than is ever needed. Consider NOT having that sticker the equivilant to your own personal "loud, fat chick-look at me-cowgirl hat". I have been on and seen other boats pulled over for no "apparent" reason. Would you rather stress over having a sticker on your boat and hassled by the water cops or would you rather put the "mental effort" and time towards that new trick you have been trying to stick???

Plus do you think for a minute that only wakeboarders/surfers/skaters are on this forum? Remember this is a public forum... ever wonder how many times the "authorities" visit a post like this? Someone mentioned Big Brother earlier in this thread....

I wonder how many people that don't want this sticker on their boat have a Hyperlite or LF sticker stuck on their boat or truck?

And... pleading ignorance to the law will only lose you time, money and effort in the long run.

Let's say you get pulled over for not having a required sticker. You get a ticket for it and it puts a real bummed vibe in the boat for the rest of the day... you go home and get on the internet trying to find your "loophole" but it really isn't working out because believe it or not the people that make those laws have thought about your "loophole" beforehand (remember they are lawyers). So you can either pay the ticket, hire a lawyer or try to fight it yourself. Either way you are out time, money or both.

Personally, I am not going to waste my time going down to a courthouse, Sherrifs office or other government office to get a ticket taken care of. I have way more important things to do than argue my case with a Judge as to why i did not have a mandatory sticker on my boat. The Judge has to be at the courthouse... I don't!

"Remember this is a public forum... ever wonder how many times the "authorities" visit a post like this? Someone mentioned Big Brother earlier in this thread...."

So exactly how are they going to identify me based upon this thread, let alone find me out on the water somewhere without my sticker?

You would have to be truly daft to think that a governement agency would devote those kinds of resources to monitoring this forum, tracking people down, etc. all because of a little sticker?



(Message edited by justsomeguy on January 24, 2006)

I did not state that an agency would profile or seek you directly; rather i inferred the wakeboard and general boating community (without the sticker).

Would it be plausible to say that a "water cop" or even a State Representative may be a wakeboarder and read this message board?

I am so used to getting miscellaneous crap in the same envelope as my bills or in this case, '07 registration that I pull out the important piece of paper and everything else stays in the envelope and goes in the trash.

We have removed all of the safety related stickers that came with our boat. Then we took it back to Sanger for some extras, and they put all the stickers back on.... then we took it back for more extras, and they put the stickers on AGAIN. I guess they are covering their butts.

So, to answer the original question, the CO sticker will NOT be going on our boat... mainly cause it's long gone, but even if I had kept it, it still wouldn't be going on the boat. I think I can count on one hand how many times I have seen a cop on the water in the last two years. I'm not concerned. Of course, now that I say that, I'm sure we will see one every time we go out from now on.

How much could a ticket cost anyways?

TR mabey if you put "bomb" "Bin laden" and "President bush" all in the same sentence those black helicopters would be all over you but you think that there gonna care if 5 or 6 people put a sticker on there boat...


oh and this is me laughing at all of you califorians for having to put that sticker on your boat

After reading this, Thank God I live in Texas..... All they want to know here is the gun loaded and ready to go

"Would it be plausible to say that a "water cop" or even a State Representative may be a wakeboarder and read this message board? "

And if they are? So what?

Carry your "what if?" to it's logical conclusion.

If they decided to act against someone based upon this thread, how would they find them, why would they waste the time over a sticker, etc.?

I am or else dad wont take the boat out

justsomeguy,
After reading some of your other posts...
You win (i give up) I am wrong.

TR,
While reading some of your other posts...
The Coast Guard busted down my door and I'm going to jail because I haven't put my sticker on.

You win, you were right. Big Brother is watching! Be afraid!

I think the stickers are tacky, ugly and stupid. They are not going on unless I've been stopped and am about to get a ticket. Glove box will be the home of this waste of paper and glue...

(Message edited by ktmwakeboarder on January 25, 2006)