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Old     (rwb)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-17-2006, 3:16 PM Reply   
Or, if you had your choice of boat (for wake quality only), what would it be?
The best wake I've experienced was from an '04 X-Star (not sure how much ballast), however, if I had my choice boats, I'd probably get an '06 X-1.
Old     (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-17-2006, 3:37 PM Reply   
So what are your top 3?

I say...X-Star, Sanger V210, X-1
Old     (acurtis_ttu)      Join Date: May 2004       07-17-2006, 3:44 PM Reply   
own a supra, but top 3

Malibu (lsv or vlx), x-1, the new x-2
Old     (greenpinky)      Join Date: Apr 2004       07-17-2006, 3:46 PM Reply   
X1, VLX, CC 210

(Message edited by greenpinky on July 17, 2006)
Old     (iagainsti)      Join Date: Apr 2004       07-17-2006, 3:49 PM Reply   
210, 05-06 VLX, X1
Old    mendo247            07-17-2006, 3:51 PM Reply   
sanger v215, v210, v230

#1 old vlx / new v ride hull
#2 weighted x-1
#3 v215/v210 (very similar imho)
Old     (powdrhound)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-17-2006, 3:58 PM Reply   
Sanger V210
X2(now X1)
SAN 210
Old     (morgs)      Join Date: Nov 2005       07-17-2006, 3:59 PM Reply   
X-Star (03 - 06), MC 205V (X-Star, X2, X1), LSV or VLX
Old     (bigpapaf1f)      Join Date: May 2005       07-17-2006, 4:02 PM Reply   
top 3 are
#1 X1
#2 X2
#3 Old star

My favs are

#1 X1/X2/Xstar
#2 05/06 VLX
#3 my tige/ Sanger V drives/ and Gravity games supra 21V
Old    bocephus            07-17-2006, 4:52 PM Reply   
Old     (kingskrew)      Join Date: May 2004       07-17-2006, 4:58 PM Reply   
My top 4 (in no particular order):

Correct Ctaft SAN 210
Mastercraft X-Star
Malibu VLX
Epic 23V

It would be a tough decision between these as to which wake I like best.

Old     (toesideturtle)      Join Date: Oct 2002       07-17-2006, 5:34 PM Reply   
'05 Malibu VLX
'06 X-Star
'06 Supra 21v
'03 Malibu VLX(now V-ride)
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-17-2006, 5:38 PM Reply   
#1. 05 VLX with buttloads
#2. V210 with plenty
#3. X1/X2 slammed
Old     (mars)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-17-2006, 6:04 PM Reply   
wake.. for what? do you mean stock or optimized with eleventy-eleven pounds and wake wedgies? really a silly question unqaulified.

for surf it's hard to beat Centurion or other similarly "V"d boat, for wakeboarding-depends on riding style. MC is nice, 'Bu is nice also. come to think of it none of them are "bad". 'skaters have different needs. Rail grinding lunies swear by cables or jetskis. the permuations are endless.

Keep in mind local conditions come into play. you need a good 15-20 ft under the keel for a decent wake and rivers behave differently than lakes.

For most:
#1 is your boat
#2 is you buddies boat
#3 is some other boat you feel the need to pay homage to.
Take the sarcasm as read.
Old     (rwb)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-17-2006, 6:18 PM Reply   
Qualified and simple question, "If you had your choice of boat . . . what would it be?"
Old     (bbr)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-17-2006, 6:21 PM Reply   
Mine are:
1. My 06 Supra 21V
2. Chucks 05 Malibu VLX
3. Travis Moye's X Star

(Message edited by BBR on July 17, 2006)
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-17-2006, 7:34 PM Reply   
Age greater than boat length guy (mars), Man who stole the Jelly out of your donut?
Old     (mac_attack)      Join Date: Oct 2003       07-17-2006, 8:51 PM Reply   
1) 03 X2

2)2006 Supra 21V

3)old Ski Nautique 2001

SAN = largest wake I have ever seen but way to vert.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       07-17-2006, 8:59 PM Reply   
Current Malibu VLX
X1 / old X2
My old Malibu LSV

I think the gnarliest wake is produced by the SANTE or new 210, it's just not my style.
Old     (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-17-2006, 9:11 PM Reply   
hasnt anyone ever slammed the new x2?

with a couple g in her, that wake rocks.
Old     (sbt3)      Join Date: Jun 2002       07-17-2006, 9:17 PM Reply   
1-Nautique 210 with 2100lbs ballast
2-06 -xstar with 2800lbs ballast
3-06 vlx with 2800lbs ballast.
Old     (clayton191)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-17-2006, 9:35 PM Reply   
#1 - that cool camo malibu in texas.
#2 - my boat
#3 ... profit?

Old     (clubmyke)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-17-2006, 10:17 PM Reply   
i'll go 5 if you dont mind...all are noteworthy...

-geoff frew 210 (biggest, cleanest wake i have ever, ever seen/rode).
-chino's x-star (big, rampy yet approachable)
-buzz's 2005 vlx(nice all around wake)
-tim & jesi's 2005 x-2 (personal fave...)
-my 211...nice kick and clean..
Old     (watersnake)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-17-2006, 10:18 PM Reply   
Dam! no one like's the Tige. I'm stating to wonder if I should have paid the extra 10k for 4" more of clean wake?
Old     (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       07-17-2006, 11:02 PM Reply   
dams jesse you could have doubled your wake for only 10k?
Old     (watersnake)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-17-2006, 11:25 PM Reply   
Ya, I'm cool with the saved $$$$. I'll just have to load the boat with babes and beer to get the bigger wake.
Old     (ripr)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-18-2006, 6:45 AM Reply   
Funny this comes up. A buddy and I were discussing this last week and we came to the same conclusions (our #1's and #2's were flipped though).

1-'05-'06 Supra 21V
2-CC 210
3-X1/old X2/older XStar
Old     (cal565)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-18-2006, 7:00 AM Reply   
1- SAN 210
2- X-1
3- Sanger V210
Old     (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-18-2006, 7:32 AM Reply   
1. Epic (factory ballast)
2. MB B-52 V23 (factory Ballast + 5-10 people)
3. SANTE (Factory + 800# in the stern and 800-1000# in the bow)
Old     (kslakebum)      Join Date: Jun 2006       07-18-2006, 8:03 AM Reply   
Marine World's: X-2
Kirby's: Super Air Nautique
Old     (skibum69)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-18-2006, 8:18 AM Reply   
2.04-MC X2
3.03-SAN 210(only because I don't ride it much and I have to get used to it-and then back again on the MC's wake)
Old     (crowmobe540)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-18-2006, 8:21 AM Reply   
I can't believe there is even a question of #1. If you haven't ridden behind a sac'd out 210 then you should vote. Yes it is steep and that is what makes it nice. It is the reason people buy the 210, because trust me it isn't for the room.
As for number 2 and 3 it is the VLX and Xstar (x1 now). Just my opinion.
Old     (tws_andrew)      Join Date: May 2004       07-18-2006, 9:18 AM Reply   
I have ridden behind most with added ballast except the Sanger. I have to say
#1 by FAR - My current 06 WS 23LSV with 900 extra, front, mid, rear, and wedge all the way down.
#2 - my old X2 with 1200 extra/
#3 - 06 Xstar with 1400 extra

I know this is a very personal thing but I am totally in awe of the LSV wake with even a little additional weight in the rear
Old     (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-18-2006, 9:28 AM Reply   
Jeremy, is it mandatory for everyone to like a steep wake?

My list:
1) '05 VLX (and yes, it was my favorite BEFORE I owned it)--easy wake to charge at with still plenty of kick at the top; super clean and big no matter what you do to it; wide wake makes for floaty w2w tricks at 80+'; doesn't require a lot of extra weight; prefer more sacs over the wedge, but the wedge is awesome when all you've got is stock ballast and a small crew

2a) '03 X-2--most versatile wake ever; no one, regardless of skill-level or style has ever had a bad word to say about it; takes a little extra weight to firm it up and make big, but it's AMAZING when dialed in

2b) '02 SAN/'00 Super Sport--more user friendly than people give it credit for; not ready for "the wall"? Don't add ballast (by far the best unweighted wake I've ridden); big guy having trouble punching through the peaky lip? Add ballast in the bow for a solid kicker with a firm, rounded lip; you'd be stupid to ever have more than 2500 lbs. of ballast; landings could be better...I seemed to find the canyon trough no matter how far out I rode

3) '04 X-Star--if I had the means and the desire to sack out a boat with 3500+ lbs. everytime I rode, I'm not sure I'd choose any wake over a new X-Star; BIG, rampy, solid, smooth wake that rewards good technique (it doesn't steal any of your horizontal or vertical pop); it does punish you if you get lazy and let off your edge; it needs to be said that the boat NEEDS A LOT of extra wake; riding one with stock ballast doesn't cut it

(Message edited by jcv on July 18, 2006)
Old     (jon4pres)      Join Date: May 2004       07-18-2006, 9:29 AM Reply   
You guys need to consider yourselves very lucky to be able to ride so many different boats. Here where I live I have only ridden behind 4 or 5 boats and no true wakeboard boats, only 2 ski boats (MC 205, CC 2001 both very fun)
Old     (mike_gilbert)      Join Date: Sep 2004       07-18-2006, 9:43 AM Reply   
2-Calabria Pro V
3-05 VLX
Old     (ripr)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-18-2006, 9:59 AM Reply   
BTW, I was 'rating' mine based on out of the box, factory wake with 3 bag/tank set ups.
Old     (mac_attack)      Join Date: Oct 2003       07-18-2006, 12:32 PM Reply   
Jeremy, I don't like the steepness of the wake. I like something with a smoother transition. My knees were sure to go if I was to continue riding behind my buddies nauty. I wish I did like it more because they are the sexiest boats out there.
Old     (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       07-18-2006, 12:39 PM Reply   
Only 3 inboards I've ridden behind...

06 X1
06 21V
05 Sunsetter LXi

I'll take my MC wake over the Supra any day.
Old     (jay_g)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-18-2006, 3:12 PM Reply   
Attila's, Toms and Tates. Oh yea and my bayliner
Old     (attila916)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-18-2006, 5:23 PM Reply   
In that order, right Jay?
Old     (mitchm)      Join Date: Sep 2002       07-18-2006, 5:44 PM Reply   
06 X2
04 VLX
00 Xstar
Old     (wake_upppp)      Join Date: Nov 2003       07-18-2006, 7:21 PM Reply   
Kool to see all the Sanger V210s' in there.
In no particular order:
Malibu VLX
Sanger V210
Would really like to session a MC sometime.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-18-2006, 9:26 PM Reply   
Ha ha, the V210 is the little engine that could.
Old     (jay_g)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-18-2006, 10:59 PM Reply   
Uh there the only wakes I have experienced
Old     (waketac)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-19-2006, 12:25 AM Reply   
Again, can of worms, but the truth, my favorits:

2001 Tige 21V RE
2000 to 2006 CC SAN 210
2004 to 2006 X-Star

The tige isn't up there because it our boat, it's our boat because it's up there.
Old     (midwesty)      Join Date: Aug 2003       07-19-2006, 1:09 AM Reply   

dont mean to call you out but A) you just bought a Nautique so hence the goggles but B) the horrific pics of the nautique wake washed out, they just dont do that for the most part.

IMHO, you sir, dont qualify to respond
Old     (snyper1d)      Join Date: Mar 2005       07-19-2006, 1:12 AM Reply   
New style X-Star
Old Style X-Star
Old     (bigworm)      Join Date: Dec 2004       07-19-2006, 1:25 AM Reply   
air210te/ old sante "the original super air"
new x1/ old x2/ older xstar
vride/ old vlx
Old     (jmv)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-19-2006, 2:34 AM Reply   
I've demo alot of boats before I purchase my, so no google here. The boat I was very disappointed with was the Malibu '04-'06 VLX. All stock ballasts:
1. SAN 210
2. Newer X-STAR
3. MB B-52 V23 (stock ballast over 2000lb!!!)
Old     (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-19-2006, 7:22 AM Reply   
john, with just stock ballast, you think the newer x-star had a better wake than a '05-'06 ('04 was the old hull) vlx? that's a first. i think the x-star may be the best wake in wakeboarding, but only if you sack the crap out of it (atleast 3000 lbs.); with stock ballast, you may as well be riding behind an outboard
Old     (slipknot)      Join Date: Aug 2001       07-19-2006, 7:38 AM Reply   
jonny lmao!

SANTE, WSVLX, OLD Xstar, MB V23 (stock 2500)
Old     (wakeshoe)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-19-2006, 9:40 AM Reply   
1. Joby's 2004 Supra SSV
2. 2005 Moomba XLV at Hansen's WWC
3. 2005 Malibu VLX

(Message edited by WakeShoe on July 19, 2006)
Old    bocephus            07-19-2006, 10:13 AM Reply   
Hey jonny (midwesty),
Excuuuuuse meeeee!! I will start checking with you and make sure that I am qualified to make a post before I do so next time.

I test drove pretty much every boat in the lists above and I liked the Sanger V210 the best due to the wake and price. The dealer sucks here so I ended up with my second choice based on the dealer and overall repuation of the boat. I don't run around taking pictures of the perfect wake off my boat, I am to busy working and using the boat. No one has complained about the wake of my SAN so far. Since my riding sucks the stock ballast system is more than adequate for me. When i get good enough where the stock wake is no longer enough I will add more weight but until then I'm happy and that is all that matters! I guess I should have bought a Sky Supreme so I would be qualified to make a comment.

Everyone on this forum knows that MB makes the best boat and wake anyhow.
Old    noah_d            07-19-2006, 10:31 AM Reply   
midwesty made a funny hahahaha.....this post is all opinion so there will never be a right answer...i am with bocephus and the 210 is my favorite wake and i used to be a vlx owner.....but that dosnt mean anything
Old     (rwb)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-19-2006, 10:54 AM Reply   
Hey Noah, you hit the nail right on the head . . . this thread essentially asks for biased opinions about wakes . . . It's been great! Now I just wish there was a Sanger dealer in my area. Seems to be a lot of positive feedback about them. I've never even seen one in person.
Old    noah_d            07-19-2006, 11:01 AM Reply   
well i had 05vlx and then went to a 06 210 so I dont plan on making any purchases for a while, i hope! I have seen the sanger boats and they look sharp but I have only seen 1 sanger on the water so i dont know much about them, but the owner sure like his
Old     (kaben)      Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sacramento, CA       07-19-2006, 11:38 AM Reply   
1. SAN 210
2. X1
3. Ski Nautique 2001

Sanger V210 right behind these.
Old     (deuce)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-19-2006, 11:39 AM Reply   
Wow....if you own a boat you don't qualify to respond.......

1. Blue Boats

2. White Boats

3. Hard to decide between Red, Black and Yellow boats....

No worries Bocephus, here is a washed SAN wake....

The key is FUN, not the biggest, cleanest, most vert or perfect rampy wake.
Old    bocephus            07-19-2006, 11:53 AM Reply   
I really like that rider, err I mean wake! Is that a thumb in the photo? Looks my photography! Thanks man!
Old     (clubjoe)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-19-2006, 4:00 PM Reply   
Kind of a tough question for some of us who were/are still learning WHILE riding different boats, weighted differently..............

Favorite wake/setup (-so far-) is Buzz's-weighted 05 VLX at SanV.......but I've enjoyed riding them all, once I adjusted to them.

Ah, yes........The advantages of knowing -just- enough to adapt!......
Old     (festivus)      Join Date: Jan 2006       07-19-2006, 8:49 PM Reply   
I haven't been lucky enough to ride many of those wakes, how does the BU247 compare? It is the biggest of the 3 v-drives I have owned ( '01 Kamberra/Santera, 01 Epic S22) and the wake is very easily adjusted with the 4 ballast tanks and the power wedge. I know for surfing it is the shizzle. My wife and kids fear the wake for boarding, even with no ballast. Is the VLX similar?
Old     (midwesty)      Join Date: Aug 2003       07-19-2006, 9:03 PM Reply   

gotta knock on the old Supreme eh?

Old    bocephus            07-19-2006, 9:30 PM Reply   
Not really, I figure any boat that gets you out there is a good boat. For me it's about having a good time. With the Nautique I don't have to ever worry about the boat which is a huge deal to me since I really can't afford a lot of repairs.

I know I can be an ass sometimes on these boards but I don't think anymore than anyone else, I just don't understand why people have to single me out and go after me. In reality if anyone on this board needed help, I would be one of the first people to step up and help out on whatever or where ever I could. I bought my boat so that I could meet people, have fun and have good times with my friends, old and new. I work my butt of to pay for my boat and you are right if you think I am biased towards Nautique. I am since Correct Craft and Sanger are the only family owned boat companies that will stand behind their boats, do the right thing and most important for me conduct business in a Christain manner, unlike the boat company that I dealt with before. For anyone that is buying a boat I would suggest that they read "Parting the Waters", it's the story of Correct Craft. For all you reading this and laughing go ahead keep head hunting, I kind of like the attention! Half that MB thread is about me which I think is pretty funny.

Rant over!
Old     (jleger98)      Join Date: Oct 2003       07-19-2006, 9:38 PM Reply   
for me,
1. Neighbors at the lake '02 X-9
2. Brother in-law's '99 Supra SSV
3. My '84 Supra Rider
(only three I've ridden so far)

Buyin a '97 Tige, so hope its decent too.
Old     (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-19-2006, 11:02 PM Reply   
I need to add a revision to my list. As someone mentioned above Jeff & Cindy Frew have probably the most dialed in SAN I have ever seen. The wake is big and clean and with tons of boot. Thank you Jeff for all the epic pulls!
Old     (attila916)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-19-2006, 11:14 PM Reply   
I need to start a new thread "why does everybody hate Bocephus?" I need to catch up on my WW drama!
Old     (hillbilly)      Join Date: Aug 2002       07-20-2006, 2:21 AM Reply   
I have a tie for #1 Squids SAN210 and Joe's X2.By far the 2 biggest most obnoxiuos wakes I've had the pleasure of being destroyed by.And both very similar in for 2 and 3 well since my boats under the knife it's any that I can get a pull behind.
Old     (jon4pres)      Join Date: May 2004       07-20-2006, 8:42 AM Reply   
Bocephus, You said that Nautique does business in a Christian manner but you eluded to the fact that MB does not. I find it odd that on the front page of MB's webpage they state their mission and it is

By God's grace, maintain a dynamic, growing business with a Christian impact by developing, marketing and manufacturing quality products, which perform as they should and enrich the lives of those who use them throughout the world.

Not trying to start stuff again just found this interesting.
Old    bocephus            07-20-2006, 8:55 AM Reply   
I didn't say anything about MB. I have owned a number of boats in my life, 9 in fact. It's not my fault if you guys keep deciding that I'm ripping on MB and I am not. I also bought my MB used.

(Message edited by bocephus on July 20, 2006)
Old     (cla17)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-20-2006, 11:30 AM Reply   
1- Epic 23v (with just stock ballast it has by far the biggest wake and best shape)

2- X-2(or old X-Star) 1200lbs in each locker and an extra 1000lbs in the walk thru

3- Old WakeSetter with as many bags as a human could possible cram in the Boat(I've ridden several comps with this set-up and the old WakeSetters throw an awesome wake once tweaked out)

Of course, I'm a little biased in my opinions :-)
Old     (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       07-20-2006, 11:37 AM Reply   
1200 in each locker huh.... I'd venture to say that an X2 with 2400lbs in the back would sink nearly immediately. I'd say X2/X1 with around 500 in each rear locker (including factory ballast) and about a thousand in the front (again, including factory ballast) gets it pretty ballpark.

Definitely the best shape IMO. But I may be biased (since that's all I ride behind).
Old     (wake4fun)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-20-2006, 11:38 AM Reply   
Wakeboarding X1...Wakesurfing X 45
Old     (cla17)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-20-2006, 1:24 PM Reply   
I like a little more vert to the wake, so the more weight in the back of an X-2 the better. And, unfortunately, I have seen worse than 2400lbs in the rear lockers...I don't think they sink but I'm sure it is a pain in the rear having to pickle your engine every time the odd wake washes over the bow and has you floating at the rails :-(
Old    K.B.C.            07-21-2006, 1:26 PM Reply   
I didn't read everyone's reply, but like J-Rod's quote the best,"I think the gnarliest wake is produced by the SANTE or new 210, it's just not my style."

I guess I would say that I agree, except it's exactly my style.
Old     (mikeski)      Join Date: Aug 2003       07-23-2006, 1:18 AM Reply   
Went out behind a buddies MC X45 with 12 peops on board yesterday, kind of expected a washed out wake with a big ramp and not much kick...WRONG. I was riding at 75'/25mph the wake was clean both toeside and heelside, nice ramp with a great lip on top to boot you up in the air. I tend to like a steeper wake and this really worked for me. Reminded me a bit of my Waterski jump days. We had some great riding and everybody commented on how nice the wake was. I liked it much better than the X-star I rode last year but that might be due to the setup, not necessarily due to the boat. Of course I like my Nautique 211 wake because it's what I ride about 90% of the time.
Old     (poser007)      Join Date: Nov 2004       07-23-2006, 1:43 AM Reply   
We went on a houseboat trip not to long ago had an 05 Pro V 05 VLX and an 04 Sanger V15 I really liked all the boats and couldnt really say I liked one wake better then the other. I will say Buzz really dialed in his wake surf wake on his VLX it was awesome had so much fun surfiong Buzz I need to come down there and hang out with you for a few days.
Old     (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       07-24-2006, 8:00 PM Reply   
Well there are really a lot of wakes I really like and only a few I don't.This list is in no particular order but the 1st one ofcorse.

My X2,Kevin Pothier's 04' X-star,Jeff Frew's SAN and a "pre-production" EPIC.

Few wakes I'm not a fan of are centurion and Malibu wakes.Still yet to ride behind a dumped 05'-06 VLX but rode a few with extra 500lbs and didn't like it.Wasn't bad but wasn't good.

(Message edited by big_ed_x2 on July 24, 2006)
Old     (toesideturtle)      Join Date: Oct 2002       07-24-2006, 9:00 PM Reply   
Ed, let us know when you will be passing through Bakersfield, I'll give you a pull behind a VLX that you will love.
Old     (laptom)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-25-2006, 8:37 AM Reply   
Tried the CC 210, Barefoot Nautique '88, Barefoot Nautique '94, Ski Nautique '88, Ski Nautique '93, Air '02, SuperSport '97. Mastercraft 205 '97, X2/X1 '04, Maristar 210, Maristar 230 '96. Malibu VLX '06. Supra 24V '06, TSC something.

Like the CC210, Ski Nautique '88 and Bu VLX most.


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