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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-22-2017, 4:08 PM Reply   
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I was ready to burn a shopping mall at the time however I gave up and went back home after I took advantage of a great end of season sale instead.
humor! See we HAVE missed you here, Delta!
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-22-2017, 4:09 PM Reply   
Of course they do lol.

Enjoy believing that god sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself (based on contradictory writings from decades after the events supposedly happened).

Getting off topic from Trump though, although unsurprising that so many threads ultimately make their way back to invisible imaginary friends.
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 4:18 PM Reply   
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humor! See we HAVE missed you here, Delta!
Give it a few days....
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-22-2017, 4:18 PM Reply   
p.s. Sorry for the typo - earlier post should have read "is highly" not "is not highly"
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 4:19 PM Reply   
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Of course they do lol.

Enjoy believing that god sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself (based on contradictory writings from decades after the events supposedly happened).

Getting off topic from Trump though, although unsurprising that so many threads ultimately make their way back to invisible imaginary friends.
They certainly do. I guess one thought is if you are inclined to not blame government, then it must be Gods followers fault.
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 4:22 PM Reply   
Besides Wes. I always like it when you challenge me. You went to school for the topic so I have to go study when you make a claim. Makes me stronger.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-22-2017, 4:22 PM Reply   
Plenty of blame attributable to both I'd say.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-22-2017, 4:27 PM Reply   
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Besides Wes. I always like it when you challenge me. You went to school for the topic so I have to go study when you make a claim. Makes me stronger.
America's never going to get great again with an attitude like that.
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 4:32 PM Reply   
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Don't be too happy. While it would be best for the whole country to get democrats off the california radical leadership of the party, the people who are calling for her head are the true socialists (progressives). It was the progressive lite that took over when Howard Dean and company took the party radical right after Bush invaded Iraq.
Oops. meant to say when they took the party radical left after Bush.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-22-2017, 4:34 PM Reply   
Democrats are finally realizing Pelosi is every bit as toxic as Trump is with certain swaths of the voting population.
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 4:43 PM Reply   
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Democrats are finally realizing Pelosi is every bit as toxic as Trump is with certain swaths of the voting population.
Yep. I heard someone speaking about the democrat party the other day. I think I had my thoughts similar but he put it pretty much in easier terms. The democrat party went from New York (center left) leadership to west coast (radical left) leadership. Radicalism is dominating the party now. Plenty of violence and calls for socialism. Pelosi is toxic however I am not sure her replacement is going to be a centrist. I think it will even be more of a radical. I think the loudest portion of the party really believes they have not been radical enough. Only place that message is playing is the biggest cities. Much of the rest of the country is pure American arguing over the scraps of commerce.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-22-2017, 5:17 PM Reply   
So where's the faux rage now that Sander's wife has lawyer-ed up for the federal probe against her shady dealings?

Lock her up, drain the swamp. The swamp is full of Dems and Repubs.

What are the chances the Senate GOP healthcare plan goes anywhere? 7 years of prep and the plan they come up with is a plan to reduce spending by reducing coverage, brilliant. Their plan will be insuring millions less people and raising cost to mostly middle class or poor. Nice tax break for the wealthiest tho. Some how this is not what I recall during the campaign. Wasnt it "Coverage for more people, reduce premiums, avoid cutting medicare and no one worse off" ?
I wrote this before in the Kathy Griffen thread, If you dont have a $20 Million+ net worth, earn $250K a year or more, or own/run a large company, he's not really going to help you.Trump will benefit big government, big business and big media and himself. Most everyone else is a patsie. I dont really understand why "average" americans (patsies) continue to back him. The swamp is filling, not draining. There is no party that is taking care of the middle class, the bulk of americans. Left is too concentrated on the fringe and lowest common denominator and the right is working to help the rich get richer. Prime time for change and no party is stepping up or attempting to take advantage. Middle class america is a patsie with no voice just empty wallets.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-22-2017, 5:23 PM Reply   
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Give it a few days....
Much better than the trash that was on here in your absence. While I don't agree with your opinion on almost everything, at least it's worth a read.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-22-2017, 5:25 PM Reply   
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Yep. I heard someone speaking about the democrat party the other day. I think I had my thoughts similar but he put it pretty much in easier terms. The democrat party went from New York (center left) leadership to west coast (radical left) leadership. Radicalism is dominating the party now. Plenty of violence and calls for socialism. Pelosi is toxic however I am not sure her replacement is going to be a centrist. I think it will even be more of a radical. I think the loudest portion of the party really believes they have not been radical enough. Only place that message is playing is the biggest cities. Much of the rest of the country is pure American arguing over the scraps of commerce.
For every super-lib there's a tea partier. Two sides of the same extremist coin.

And extremism is great for zealotry. Those people are motivated. They'll march, they'll chant, they'll stand in line for hours to listen to people rile them up, they'll get crazy people elected who will say crazy things on cable TV all day everyday.

The vast majority of Americans are moderates who can see eye to eye on most issues, But moderates don't march. They don't chant. (What do we want? COMPROMISE! When do we want it? IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME!). And they (we) are really losing a voice for their (our) interests.
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 6:32 PM Reply   
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Much better than the trash that was on here in your absence. While I don't agree with your opinion on almost everything, at least it's worth a read.
Thank you I think, haha. Don't worry. I will grow on you. More like a wart, but I will be there.
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 6:39 PM Reply   
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So where's the faux rage now that Sander's wife has lawyer-ed up for the federal probe against her shady dealings?

Lock her up, drain the swamp. The swamp is full of Dems and Repubs.

What are the chances the Senate GOP healthcare plan goes anywhere? 7 years of prep and the plan they come up with is a plan to reduce spending by reducing coverage, brilliant. Their plan will be insuring millions less people and raising cost to mostly middle class or poor. Nice tax break for the wealthiest tho. Some how this is not what I recall during the campaign. Wasnt it "Coverage for more people, reduce premiums, avoid cutting medicare and no one worse off" ?
I wrote this before in the Kathy Griffen thread, If you dont have a $20 Million+ net worth, earn $250K a year or more, or own/run a large company, he's not really going to help you.Trump will benefit big government, big business and big media and himself. Most everyone else is a patsie. I dont really understand why "average" americans (patsies) continue to back him. The swamp is filling, not draining. There is no party that is taking care of the middle class, the bulk of americans. Left is too concentrated on the fringe and lowest common denominator and the right is working to help the rich get richer. Prime time for change and no party is stepping up or attempting to take advantage. Middle class america is a patsie with no voice just empty wallets.
Calling everyday Americans patsies is not that answer. Most regular people understand basics of budge and want Americans first. What empties peoples wallets is forced expenditures. Taxes, fees, have to buy this or that. Business can only claim so much income and redistribute it through payroll, investors and taxes. By nature you will always have the have and have nots. It is the nature of any system. Average Americans know that need jobs and are willing to work those jobs. If you look at the voting map, middle America believes the Republicans are looking out for them more than democrats.
Old    deltahoosier            06-22-2017, 6:43 PM Reply   
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For every super-lib there's a tea partier. Two sides of the same extremist coin.

And extremism is great for zealotry. Those people are motivated. They'll march, they'll chant, they'll stand in line for hours to listen to people rile them up, they'll get crazy people elected who will say crazy things on cable TV all day everyday.

The vast majority of Americans are moderates who can see eye to eye on most issues, But moderates don't march. They don't chant. (What do we want? COMPROMISE! When do we want it? IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME!). And they (we) are really losing a voice for their (our) interests.
That is why most moderate people want the government out of their lives. Government is shaped by agenda (loud voices and big money). Government should take care of the basics and big dream projects at best. other than that, quit trying to get everyone to pay for everyone else.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-22-2017, 6:43 PM Reply   
Curious to get your take on the automation thread, Rod. What do we do when jobs disappear, en masse like the coming driverless truck phenomenon?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-22-2017, 10:17 PM Reply   
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Much better than the trash that was on here in your absence. While I don't agree with your opinion on almost everything, at least it's worth a read.
I agree, we don't agree very often but the ideas always are thought out and well presented
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-23-2017, 5:05 AM Reply   
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Calling everyday Americans patsies is not that answer. Most regular people understand basics of budge and want Americans first. What empties peoples wallets is forced expenditures. Taxes, fees, have to buy this or that. Business can only claim so much income and redistribute it through payroll, investors and taxes. By nature you will always have the have and have nots. It is the nature of any system. Average Americans know that need jobs and are willing to work those jobs. If you look at the voting map, middle America believes the Republicans are looking out for them more than democrats.
I'm sorry, I do not agree with your last sentence. While it may be true that "middle America" votes Republican and they may in fact comment that "Republicans are looking out for them", I don't think that is the reason. Evangelicals invaded the GOP and that is why "middle America" votes Republican. Many of my right-wing friends always seem to cite a moral obligation to why they vote Republican. And many of them have created an ulterior past of Trump to justify their voting for him because of the moral conflict. Look at the south. A republican monopoly. But at the bottom of the country when it comes to education, wages, employment, etc. That's really "looking out for them" if you ask me. Lawmakers in my state (TN) are more interested in giving tax breaks to their buddies or passing some archaic religious law instead of helping out the state.
Old    deltahoosier            06-23-2017, 9:14 AM Reply   
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Curious to get your take on the automation thread, Rod. What do we do when jobs disappear, en masse like the coming driverless truck phenomenon?
I did not read in depth. Growing up in the midwest in the 80's we seemed to be heavily influenced by the auto industry. We did not have the main plants around us but things likke glass and seat manufaturer type places. The talk that always worried me was robots were coming to steal the jobs of the auto workers. I am sure some of that was true however I think all it did was make a large boom in the tech industry. It takes a lot of people to make the electronics and mechanics of such things.

I worked for a year in a photolithography machine manufacture between stints at my current company. It took over 3 months and hundreds of people to build the sub assemblies, calibrate them, build the lens systems, install all the sub systems on the main machine, test the machine and calibrate it (electronics, mechanics, software, Optics). That did not even include all the sub assemblies that the company farmed out to others. That was just the base integration. That was all to make one machine that all it did was produce the ability to shoot a wafer in a production line for another parts manufacture for not even critical parts. It was amazing.

Look at a office copier. simple right? That thing is so complex, lots of engineering, setup, calibration, upkeep. limit switch goes out? repair and recal time.

Point is, I think I grew up scared of the automation boogey man growing up but seeing how many jobs it created, I am not so worried anymore. I think they will be different jobs.
Old    deltahoosier            06-23-2017, 9:57 AM Reply   
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I'm sorry, I do not agree with your last sentence. While it may be true that "middle America" votes Republican and they may in fact comment that "Republicans are looking out for them", I don't think that is the reason. Evangelicals invaded the GOP and that is why "middle America" votes Republican. Many of my right-wing friends always seem to cite a moral obligation to why they vote Republican. And many of them have created an ulterior past of Trump to justify their voting for him because of the moral conflict. Look at the south. A republican monopoly. But at the bottom of the country when it comes to education, wages, employment, etc. That's really "looking out for them" if you ask me. Lawmakers in my state (TN) are more interested in giving tax breaks to their buddies or passing some archaic religious law instead of helping out the state.
You probably have better optics than I do where you live. I don't disagree that people vote their morals. However your morals are the only thing you as a person have to fall back on. When all else fails, job, health, age, what do you have left? You have your faith and your family which is part of your cultural. If people feel that their culture and by extension their family/ religion are under attack, they will seeks to protect it. So in a way they see the Republicans trying to protect them.

This topic can go all sorts of direction.

What do we say when America is involved in some bodies war? The left especially will mock it and yell that those poor people over their don't need our "freedom". They have their culture and so on. While much of that is correct. They have their culture. They most likely are extremely poor especially by our standards. Are the people content in general (besides some dictator most likely trying to murder their way of life)? Are the happy enough being poor? Does being rich really make people happy? Happiness is a perspective issue. Always has been. Many people would rather be poor and with family and a feeling that their soul is in the right place than to give that up and go morally bankrupt.

That leads me to jobs. Most people are not willing to re-locate for jobs. Mostly because of the previous paragraph. Some don't move because having just enough is fine compared to moving. You speak of jobs in the south. It is hard to just pick up a manufacturing facility and locate it somewhere. Those jobs are going to flow to the path of least resistance. I don't give two rips what anyone says about it is not right or such and such company is just out for their pocket, yada yada. I agree. They are. Tough turkey. We the consumers are not looking for the highest priced product and even if we did, those *******s would just raise the price to compensate for the demand. Just like we are trying to maximize our budget, so are the companies. We can get behind the idea of math and economics or we can choose to be convince ourselves that if we only could save the world we would sacrifice everything including our people to do so. We are being had by globalists with a race to the bottom. They are doing it in the name of environmentalism and open boarders to spread our wealth.

Education. Education absolutely is not a barrier to people of the south having good jobs. Anything else is a lie. The reason I know this is in every fab shop building sub assemblies are thousands upon thousands of immigrants right off the boat that do not speak a lick of English and very little education making good money in California. These are the equal to the old lever pull automotive back in the day. Difference they jobs are not union. They don't have manditory expenditures like the auto plants. There are so many of these types of jobs in the area that if one company goes down, the next one picks them up. They also have will live large families in one household to split liability. Only education they have is at work on how to do their jobs.

One thing that makes jobs attractive to California is these electronic manufactures use nasty nasty chemicals. They have a infastructure to handle it. Permitting is a nightmare (even on the federal level), need workers who are familiar with that type of work, access to ports was really important, weather is helpful as they need low humidity temperature controlled facilities. There are tons of machine shops available to get quick engineered hardware onto the floor. Harder to do in weather extreme areas. Point is, it is extremely tough to pack up move a single facility when you need so many different supporting facilities to get the jobs done. My first day at the telecom startup company I worked at for a few years, I was told I was two days late on my first project.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-23-2017, 3:10 PM Reply   
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Education. Education absolutely is not a barrier to people of the south having good jobs. Anything else is a lie. The reason I know this is in every fab shop building sub assemblies are thousands upon thousands of immigrants right off the boat that do not speak a lick of English and very little education making good money in California. These are the equal to the old lever pull automotive back in the day. Difference they jobs are not union. They don't have manditory expenditures like the auto plants. There are so many of these types of jobs in the area that if one company goes down, the next one picks them up. They also have will live large families in one household to split liability. Only education they have is at work on how to do their jobs.
That is simply a false statement. I live in Chattanooga and we have seen a dramatic increase in new industry moving to our area (a lot has to do with no state income tax, right-to-work state, massive tax incentives given to corporation). Companies like; VW, Wacker, Amazon. The problem is there are not enough qualified candidates for many of these jobs. Many positions require a four-year or two-year degree. Well, only ~30% of Tennesseans have a college degree. So guess what? They are having to recruit candidates from other areas to fill these positions. The jobs of which you speak (laborer positions) may pay 10 bucks an hour here in TN. That is around poverty and these sorts of jobs have a high turnover rate. The lack of a union simply makes the working conditions ****tier in the south.
Old    deltahoosier            06-23-2017, 4:12 PM Reply   
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That is simply a false statement. I live in Chattanooga and we have seen a dramatic increase in new industry moving to our area (a lot has to do with no state income tax, right-to-work state, massive tax incentives given to corporation). Companies like; VW, Wacker, Amazon. The problem is there are not enough qualified candidates for many of these jobs. Many positions require a four-year or two-year degree. Well, only ~30% of Tennesseans have a college degree. So guess what? They are having to recruit candidates from other areas to fill these positions. The jobs of which you speak (laborer positions) may pay 10 bucks an hour here in TN. That is around poverty and these sorts of jobs have a high turnover rate. The lack of a union simply makes the working conditions ****tier in the south.
Why would those jobs require a 4 year degree? We have people operating much much more complicated high tech machinery with no degree. Now many of them are ex military with experience on large systems. Many are just regular made good maintenance guys. People need to not be on drugs and be trainable when a manufacturing facility starts up. For our slightly more complicated positions (two year degree requirement) we have to recruit from all around the country because we can not get Californians that have the training even though there is a school that does it 25 miles away. Of course our big positions are master degree and PhD but they are not interested in hands on day to day grind.

You want to talk about poverty wage. The country next to me just moved their family wage to about $102,000 (may be a few thousand low on my quote) a year for a family is considered low income. I think our country is mid to high $90,000 a year. You may want to rethink the high wage issue in your state. It is not all it is cracked up to be. You will be priced out of your own home in a heartbeat if you have enough high wage jobs come in. It is to the point in California that a person making $100,000 a year still has to get room mates just to live and that is to live 1 to 2 hours each way to work (that is 20 to 50 miles by American standards)

California has about a 29% with a 4 year degree and 9% with an advanced degree. Your state is not that bad off. As far as unions go, most of those companies you described already take care of their workers pretty well. All the companies in Silicon Valley are not union. Now the state does have some more liberal worker protection laws but the federal labor laws are pretty good as well.

If you are a simple laborer? That is tough in a state like that. Being a laborer is tough in any state.

you as a government worker would be swamped with big businesses were to pile in. Your wage would not mean squat. Government worker wages trail in a hot economy and many times never catch up. That is why police officers, firefighters, and teachers can not even live in the same communities they work in out here unless there is another high wage earner in the house.

I am sure you do have some businesses coming to your state but I bet they are pretty much sustain their internal workings. They are not model shop/ startup and I bet they are not large electronic/ optic manufacturers like we have out here. That is why you have only a few of those regions in the country. San Jose, North Carolina, Colorado Springs for instance.

You have to give those incentives for businesses to locate to your state because if you don't other will offer it to them. I guess I detect disdain from both points of view from you. You say they brought jobs, yet they are having to recruit? You sound upset they give breaks for them to come in? If you didn't they would not be there. The recruiting of people brings in more tax revenue. I don't get the rub? You can't have it both ways when you don't have much more offer than many other places in the country and even littler to offer compared to offshoring manufacturing to countries that have no environmental regulations and plenty of workers.

What is it that you think anyone can do for your in these cases? You can force companies to come to your state. Manufacturing does require a large percent of basic trainable workers in most cases. If they are engineering facilities then they do. These companies are not going to move in without proper incentives and they look at the ability to get the kind of workers they need. That is part of their homework. They are not interested in driving the market for wage increases.

In California they do that all the time because they are short certain types of higher skilled people. Plenty of these companies are on venture capital funds so they will pay out the butt for people because they miss a design cycle on a new product, the company will go under. If they hit their product, the high pay to a few people does not matter. They rinse and repeat. They are also ones pushing for more of the H1B visa's for this reason. With all that comes a cost. There is huge income desparities now because of it. The companies are not willing or maybe can not move from the area so they are stuck with paying high wages. Just like the people can not afford to make a middle class wage now and live any were near work.

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-24-2017, 8:21 AM Reply   
So how many here believe Trump's claim that he was trying to keep Comey honest when he issued the threat about the tapes?
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-24-2017, 10:48 AM Reply   
Where's prowake now that Trump has admitted Russian interfered?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-24-2017, 12:12 PM Reply   
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So how many here believe Trump's claim that he was trying to keep Comey honest when he issued the threat about the tapes?
I'd say about 30% of people. You got to remember Trump could be giving Putin a lap dance and Trumpsters would just think he is a good negotiator. And handsome.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-25-2017, 6:32 AM Reply   
Liberalism is a mental disorder. Children are our future and the future looks dim.
https://www.facebook.com/14259352974...8160366209325/
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-25-2017, 7:03 PM Reply   
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Why would those jobs require a 4 year degree? We have people operating much much more complicated high tech machinery with no degree. Now many of them are ex military with experience on large systems. Many are just regular made good maintenance guys. People need to not be on drugs and be trainable when a manufacturing facility starts up. For our slightly more complicated positions (two year degree requirement) we have to recruit from all around the country because we can not get Californians that have the training even though there is a school that does it 25 miles away. Of course our big positions are master degree and PhD but they are not interested in hands on day to day grind.

You want to talk about poverty wage. The country next to me just moved their family wage to about $102,000 (may be a few thousand low on my quote) a year for a family is considered low income. I think our country is mid to high $90,000 a year. You may want to rethink the high wage issue in your state. It is not all it is cracked up to be. You will be priced out of your own home in a heartbeat if you have enough high wage jobs come in. It is to the point in California that a person making $100,000 a year still has to get room mates just to live and that is to live 1 to 2 hours each way to work (that is 20 to 50 miles by American standards)

California has about a 29% with a 4 year degree and 9% with an advanced degree. Your state is not that bad off. As far as unions go, most of those companies you described already take care of their workers pretty well. All the companies in Silicon Valley are not union. Now the state does have some more liberal worker protection laws but the federal labor laws are pretty good as well.

If you are a simple laborer? That is tough in a state like that. Being a laborer is tough in any state.

you as a government worker would be swamped with big businesses were to pile in. Your wage would not mean squat. Government worker wages trail in a hot economy and many times never catch up. That is why police officers, firefighters, and teachers can not even live in the same communities they work in out here unless there is another high wage earner in the house.

I am sure you do have some businesses coming to your state but I bet they are pretty much sustain their internal workings. They are not model shop/ startup and I bet they are not large electronic/ optic manufacturers like we have out here. That is why you have only a few of those regions in the country. San Jose, North Carolina, Colorado Springs for instance.

You have to give those incentives for businesses to locate to your state because if you don't other will offer it to them. I guess I detect disdain from both points of view from you. You say they brought jobs, yet they are having to recruit? You sound upset they give breaks for them to come in? If you didn't they would not be there. The recruiting of people brings in more tax revenue. I don't get the rub? You can't have it both ways when you don't have much more offer than many other places in the country and even littler to offer compared to offshoring manufacturing to countries that have no environmental regulations and plenty of workers.

What is it that you think anyone can do for your in these cases? You can force companies to come to your state. Manufacturing does require a large percent of basic trainable workers in most cases. If they are engineering facilities then they do. These companies are not going to move in without proper incentives and they look at the ability to get the kind of workers they need. That is part of their homework. They are not interested in driving the market for wage increases.

In California they do that all the time because they are short certain types of higher skilled people. Plenty of these companies are on venture capital funds so they will pay out the butt for people because they miss a design cycle on a new product, the company will go under. If they hit their product, the high pay to a few people does not matter. They rinse and repeat. They are also ones pushing for more of the H1B visa's for this reason. With all that comes a cost. There is huge income desparities now because of it. The companies are not willing or maybe can not move from the area so they are stuck with paying high wages. Just like the people can not afford to make a middle class wage now and live any were near work.
I don't have a problem with some tax breaks given as incentives, however, Hamilton County gave VW close to 500 million in incentives. Many local, conservative watchdogs have done analysis on the deal and have serious doubts that VW will ever be worth to the area compared to the amount given.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-25-2017, 7:07 PM Reply   
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Liberalism is a mental disorder. Children are our future and the future looks dim.
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Only you would side with the kooks from Westboro. I guess you don't have a problem with they show up and protest soldiers' funerals.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       06-26-2017, 8:04 AM Reply   
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Only you would side with the kooks from Westboro. I guess you don't have a problem with they show up and protest soldiers' funerals.
What problem is one to have? They are not tax funded. They repulse everyone but it's their right to speak & protest. Likewise, its the bikers & military right to form a human wall & silence them. Are you arguing they should be silenced cause it's offensive?
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-26-2017, 8:49 AM Reply   
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Liberalism is a mental disorder. Children are our future and the future looks dim.
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Honestly, do you watch these videos? DO YOU KNOW WHAT FASCISM IS. I would love to have it explained from you Dennis.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-26-2017, 8:52 AM Reply   
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What problem is one to have? They are not tax funded. They repulse everyone but it's their right to speak & protest. Likewise, its the bikers & military right to form a human wall & silence them. Are you arguing they should be silenced cause it's offensive?
It is incredibly normal to have a problem with the Westboro church. Nobody is saying they should be silenced, but it is a normal thing to be weirded out by a guy supporting them. They are complete and utter *******s in every sense of the word. The video Dennis posted is them protesting gays, and the gays are rightly calling them upon that. I actually don't know what Dennis was trying to get through with that video, the gays made better points and the Westboro guy truly doesn't know what fascism I would imagine, like you said, it is their right to try and silence them.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-26-2017, 10:40 AM Reply   
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Honestly, do you watch these videos? DO YOU KNOW WHAT FASCISM IS. I would love to have it explained from you Dennis.
Yes indeed i do. Real wake it is a variance of Socialism. Did you know that under the name of Socialism there have been more murders than fascism or National Socialism and Nationalist combined? Just remember this H.G. Wells was one of the top if not the top progressive in the early 1900's. He was leading member of Fabian Socialist until he got kicked out for being to radical. He staggered his whole life to come up with the right word . He said we need a militant organization and he gave it the name liberal fascism. He also called for enlightened Nazism. It really got traction during the New Deal.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-26-2017, 10:56 AM Reply   
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It is incredibly normal to have a problem with the Westboro church. Nobody is saying they should be silenced, but it is a normal thing to be weirded out by a guy supporting them. They are complete and utter *******s in every sense of the word. The video Dennis posted is them protesting gays, and the gays are rightly calling them upon that. I actually don't know what Dennis was trying to get through with that video, the gays made better points and the Westboro guy truly doesn't know what fascism I would imagine, like you said, it is their right to try and silence them.
Wow RealWake you are really bent. You support the leaders and future leaders like these people. I don't support Westboro, but what does Westboro have to do with anything. Westboro are haters just like the liberal communist in this Country. If somebody is street preaching do you think they are a member of the Westboro church? You have a very small mind.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-26-2017, 11:20 AM Reply   
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What problem is one to have? They are not tax funded. They repulse everyone but it's their right to speak & protest. Likewise, its the bikers & military right to form a human wall & silence them. Are you arguing they should be silenced cause it's offensive?
Maybe if it was your son or daughter's funeral, you may feel differently.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-26-2017, 11:22 AM Reply   
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Wow RealWake you are really bent. You support the leaders and future leaders like these people. I don't support Westboro, but what does Westboro have to do with anything. Westboro are haters just like the liberal communist in this Country. If somebody is street preaching do you think they are a member of the Westboro church? You have a very small mind.
The video you posted was Westboro Baptist protesters. Damn dude, try to keep up.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       06-26-2017, 11:51 AM Reply   
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It is incredibly normal to have a problem with the Westboro church. Nobody is saying they should be silenced, but it is a normal thing to be weirded out by a guy supporting them. They are complete and utter *******s in every sense of the word. The video Dennis posted is them protesting gays, and the gays are rightly calling them upon that. I actually don't know what Dennis was trying to get through with that video, the gays made better points and the Westboro guy truly doesn't know what fascism I would imagine, like you said, it is their right to try and silence them.
Gotcha, I missed the video
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-26-2017, 11:59 AM Reply   
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The video you posted was Westboro Baptist protesters. Damn dude, try to keep up.
How do you know? What signifies they are. I don't see it. Please enlighten me Wake.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-26-2017, 12:32 PM Reply   
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The video you posted was Westboro Baptist protesters. Damn dude, try to keep up.
Wrong. There are lots of Latinos and Blacks in the group. They are not racist. You should see if you can get a job at CNN.

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-26-2017, 1:05 PM Reply   
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Liberalism is a mental disorder. Children are our future and the future looks dim.
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You have to be pretty freak'n stupid to think that this video represents the real problems of this country. But Dennie is dumber than a rock, so no surprise this is the crap he posts.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-26-2017, 1:58 PM Reply   
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Yes indeed i do. Real wake it is a variance of Socialism. Did you know that under the name of Socialism there have been more murders than fascism or National Socialism and Nationalist combined? Just remember this H.G. Wells was one of the top if not the top progressive in the early 1900's. He was leading member of Fabian Socialist until he got kicked out for being to radical. He staggered his whole life to come up with the right word . He said we need a militant organization and he gave it the name liberal fascism. He also called for enlightened Nazism. It really got traction during the New Deal.
Again, you show you have no idea what you're talking about.To be honest though, I can hardly read that paragraph. It didn't seem to have bit of logic in it though, just like when you call liberals Nazis, you really have no idea what you're talking about either. I suggest a 6th grade history book.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-26-2017, 3:44 PM Reply   
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Again, you show you have no idea what you're talking about.To be honest though, I can hardly read that paragraph. It didn't seem to have bit of logic in it though, just like when you call liberals Nazis, you really have no idea what you're talking about either. I suggest a 6th grade history book.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can not prevent him from sticking his head in the trough and drowning.
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The modern trojan horses
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Dennie. Sad.
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Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-26-2017, 5:02 PM Reply   
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can not prevent him from sticking his head in the trough and drowning.
Well, you could. I never can quite tell if you're joking or not. You seem the type that would know that saying, but maybe this is the version you grew up on.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-26-2017, 5:57 PM Reply   
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How do you know? What signifies they are. I don't see it. Please enlighten me Wake.
The sign that idiot is toting looks like one of these:
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-26-2017, 6:02 PM Reply   
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Wrong. There are lots of Latinos and Blacks in the group. They are not racist. You should see if you can get a job at CNN.
Let me ask you this. Say a group of LGBT-rights activists show up to your church and start condemning everyone. Is that kosher? You wouldn't say something to the activists?

Those "Christians" could be helping the homeless or picking up trash in their community. Instead, they picket a Pride parade.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       06-27-2017, 6:42 AM Reply   
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Let me ask you this. Say a group of LGBT-rights activists show up to your church and start condemning everyone. Is that kosher? You wouldn't say something to the activists?

Those "Christians" could be helping the homeless or picking up trash in their community. Instead, they picket a Pride parade.
You do realize that exact same thing happened at a Pride Parade over the weekend? They kicked out Jews & anyone they identified as Christian.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-27-2017, 8:55 AM Reply   
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You do realize that exact same thing happened at a Pride Parade over the weekend? They kicked out Jews & anyone they identified as Christian.
I believe it was a Jewish flag you're talking about. And in reality, considering Jewish traditional beliefs state that two mean sleeping together should be put to death, it is no wonder it makes some people uneasy. They didn't ask the person to leave due to the fact they were Jewish, it was because the flag. It would be like a guy carrying a confederate flag at a black pride parade. Probably won't fly.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-27-2017, 9:14 AM Reply   
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Let me ask you this. Say a group of LGBT-rights activists show up to your church and start condemning everyone. Is that kosher? You wouldn't say something to the activists?



Those "Christians" could be helping the homeless or picking up trash in their community. Instead, they picket a Pride parade.

Different context. A church is private, not a parade in the public square. Just because the gay pride folks got a permit for their parade doesn't mean that they "own" the public square.

It's offensive and rather impolite to shout down a gay pride parade IMHO, but I value free speech so I defend the knuckledraggers' right to do so, just as I'd hope that they would support my right to shout down a white pride parade.
Old    deltahoosier            06-27-2017, 10:12 AM Reply   
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I don't have a problem with some tax breaks given as incentives, however, Hamilton County gave VW close to 500 million in incentives. Many local, conservative watchdogs have done analysis on the deal and have serious doubts that VW will ever be worth to the area compared to the amount given.
That may be the case. Sometimes the thought of jobs for the masses looks too good and they miss the mark. Hard part is how do you tell the voters that they decided not to try and get jobs in the area? I guess you will have to see what "not worth it" is. Maybe the main investment will not be worth it but maybe all the secondary business will.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       06-27-2017, 10:12 AM Reply   
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I believe it was a Jewish flag you're talking about. And in reality, considering Jewish traditional beliefs state that two mean sleeping together should be put to death, it is no wonder it makes some people uneasy. They didn't ask the person to leave due to the fact they were Jewish, it was because the flag. It would be like a guy carrying a confederate flag at a black pride parade. Probably won't fly.
Agreed, but it's a trample on their freedom especially since the parade is hosted in public setting with a permit required by the host city. If a black panther flag got thrown out there'd be hell to pay. They are also to chicken **** to kick out an Islamic flag if one showed up.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-27-2017, 10:27 AM Reply   
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Agreed, but it's a trample on their freedom especially since the parade is hosted in public setting with a permit required by the host city. If a black panther flag got thrown out there'd be hell to pay. They are also to chicken **** to kick out an Islamic flag if one showed up.
I don't know why you would think that considering the majority of Islamic views towards gays. I would imagine if the black standard flag showed up anywhere now that people reguardless of what they were celebrating would kick them out, the crescent moon would probably get the same treatment as the Star of David in this example as well.

It isn't a trample on any freedom. The person wasn't forced by the government to remove the flag. If I were bigger and stronger than you and I wanted you to put down your flag, it would be me, not the government doing it.

I don't condone what they did, but to say they had their freedoms trampled is more than a stretch. The issue with the black panther flag is that it isn't an issue. Black panthers don't have a history of persecuting gays.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       06-27-2017, 10:39 AM Reply   
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I don't know why you would think that considering the majority of Islamic views towards gays. I would imagine if the black standard flag showed up anywhere now that people reguardless of what they were celebrating would kick them out, the crescent moon would probably get the same treatment as the Star of David in this example as well.

It isn't a trample on any freedom. The person wasn't forced by the government to remove the flag. If I were bigger and stronger than you and I wanted you to put down your flag, it would be me, not the government doing it.

I don't condone what they did, but to say they had their freedoms trampled is more than a stretch. The issue with the black panther flag is that it isn't an issue. Black panthers don't have a history of persecuting gays.
When you are removed a public setting, yes their freedoms were trampled. If it was a private event, yeah sure kick their asses out. As for being bigger, that's a hole other can of worms to be advocating the strong make the rules.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-27-2017, 11:55 AM Reply   
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When you are removed a public setting, yes their freedoms were trampled. If it was a private event, yeah sure kick their asses out. As for being bigger, that's a hole other can of worms to be advocating the strong make the rules.
Who removed them?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-27-2017, 12:05 PM Reply   
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Different context. A church is private, not a parade in the public square. Just because the gay pride folks got a permit for their parade doesn't mean that they "own" the public square.

It's offensive and rather impolite to shout down a gay pride parade IMHO, but I value free speech so I defend the knuckledraggers' right to do so, just as I'd hope that they would support my right to shout down a white pride parade.
I wasn't really speaking of the legality, rather the emotional response it would incite. I value free speech, as well so at no point was I advocating removing the protesters. I'm sorry that it came off that way.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-27-2017, 1:38 PM Reply   
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I wasn't really speaking of the legality, rather the emotional response it would incite. I value free speech, as well so at no point was I advocating removing the protesters. I'm sorry that it came off that way.
Either you value the principle of free speech, which includes the right to spew vile, hateful, deplorable, terrible words in public, or you don't. Bad ideas should lose favor on their merits not because we suppress them.
Old    deltahoosier            06-27-2017, 1:50 PM Reply   
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Either you value the principle of free speech, which includes the right to spew vile, hateful, deplorable, terrible words in public, or you don't. Bad ideas should lose favor on their merits not because we suppress them.
Many times you give people more power by trying to suppress them. People usually only try and stop something they feel is dangerous to their position (money, power, etc.). By trying to suppress one group, the generally uninterested may want to listen to see why they are being suppressed. At that point they gain more power and relevance. Tree falling in the woods has a lot of power, but if no one is around to witness it then it is just an event in time.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-27-2017, 1:51 PM Reply   
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Many times you give people more power by trying to suppress them. People usually only try and stop something they feel is dangerous to their position (money, power, etc.). By trying to suppress one group, the generally uninterested may want to listen to see why they are being suppressed. At that point they gain more power and relevance. Tree falling in the woods has a lot of power, but if no one is around to witness it then it is just an event in time.
Agree 100%. One need only look to the President's twitter feed to prove your point, Delta.
Old    deltahoosier            06-27-2017, 2:52 PM Reply   
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Agree 100%. One need only look to the President's twitter feed to prove your point, Delta.
I don't pay attention to twitter or any other self important media. It is the same issue with polling and sports media. Most of the people reporting and talking are all in the sewing circle. The rest of us don't care and does not change our thought processes. People need to stop reacting to sound bite media as if it translates to real money or real consequences.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-27-2017, 3:28 PM Reply   
Snowflakes can sing

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-27-2017, 3:34 PM Reply   
Anyone notice that when a member of the executive office appears in front of Congress they are completely brain dead. That's how Trump likes his sycophants and supporters.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-27-2017, 3:42 PM Reply   
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I don't pay attention to twitter or any other self important media. It is the same issue with polling and sports media. Most of the people reporting and talking are all in the sewing circle. The rest of us don't care and does not change our thought processes. People need to stop reacting to sound bite media as if it translates to real money or real consequences.
Whether YOU do or not doesn't really matter. Look at the schlock that dennis continues to post here as "news." Fact is the horse is out of the barn on that one.

But my point was really to your first one that by even acknowledging a dumb argument you give it power. 'zactly what the president has done on the Russia thing. I'm pretty certain he's too oafish / boorish to be able collaborate with the ruskies. So if he'd have just STFU about it and let the investigation run its course, he'd have come out just fine. But he's impatient and impulsive and can't quit tweeting himself into trouble.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-27-2017, 4:02 PM Reply   
The Atty General of the USA knows only what he reads in the newspaper regarding Russia involvement in the election...even tho he was there.
Old    deltahoosier            06-27-2017, 5:14 PM Reply   
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Whether YOU do or not doesn't really matter. Look at the schlock that dennis continues to post here as "news." Fact is the horse is out of the barn on that one.

But my point was really to your first one that by even acknowledging a dumb argument you give it power. 'zactly what the president has done on the Russia thing. I'm pretty certain he's too oafish / boorish to be able collaborate with the ruskies. So if he'd have just STFU about it and let the investigation run its course, he'd have come out just fine. But he's impatient and impulsive and can't quit tweeting himself into trouble.
Maybe so, but the Russian Strategy was put into place by the democrats before he took office. While I agree that he should keep a little more quiet, every time we turn around he absolutely has trolled the left. They fall over themselves to proclaim he is an idiot only to be proven wrong time and time again. What you say for Trump should also play for the folks on the 24 hour news cycle. The press needs to turn into a trusted profession again but I don't know how that happens.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-28-2017, 4:48 AM Reply   
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Either you value the principle of free speech, which includes the right to spew vile, hateful, deplorable, terrible words in public, or you don't. Bad ideas should lose favor on their merits not because we suppress them.
You can support free speech and still get pissed at the message you are hearing. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-28-2017, 4:49 AM Reply   
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Maybe so, but the Russian Strategy was put into place by the democrats before he took office. While I agree that he should keep a little more quiet, every time we turn around he absolutely has trolled the left. They fall over themselves to proclaim he is an idiot only to be proven wrong time and time again. What you say for Trump should also play for the folks on the 24 hour news cycle. The press needs to turn into a trusted profession again but I don't know how that happens.
Well, he did promise that Obamacare would be repealed by now.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-28-2017, 5:16 AM Reply   
SUPREME COURT REINSTATES TRUMP TRAVEL BAN FROM MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES.
I was wondering how that made Real Wake, Turtle, Wes, Wake77, and Ralph feel, and what they thought about the decision..In that it is the opposite of what they thought it would be.. Poor guys
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-28-2017, 5:19 AM Reply   
Remember back in the 70's and 80's all the Polish jokes and how simple they must be. Looks like they are far smarter then their neighbors.
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Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-28-2017, 7:34 AM Reply   
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The sign that idiot is toting looks like one of these:
Not the same. Different sign , message and group . If you know nothing of the issue it is best not to assume. When you assume something you make a ass of u and me. Mostly of u. Street preachers have been around since the 1800's . This group is small and preaching old time religion just like in the old days. I would rather listen to him preach old time religion then the pride talking about sucking wad and how America was never great in the video.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-28-2017, 7:48 AM Reply   
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Let me ask you this. Say a group of LGBT-rights activists show up to your church and start condemning everyone. Is that kosher? You wouldn't say something to the activists?

Those "Christians" could be helping the homeless or picking up trash in their community. Instead, they picket a Pride parade.
Actually i would try to have dialect with them. It is amazing what truthful 2 way conversation would have. That was public property. The message was that they had a choice. Heaven or hell. These people LGBT pride are so far gone living in sin that the message needs to be given in nearing the same magnetism message as the gay are giving off that day. Of course they can not. The LGBT message is extremely vulgar and offensive .

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-28-2017, 8:23 AM Reply   
What exactly is going on in Dennie's life that gays are causing him problems? Too much temptation? Nothing negative has ever happened in my life because there are gay people out there.

If the message is "Heaven or Hell", then there is no truthfulness in the conversation. That's called fantasy.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-28-2017, 9:17 AM Reply   
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That is simply a false statement. I live in Chattanooga and we have seen a dramatic increase in new industry moving to our area (a lot has to do with no state income tax, right-to-work state, massive tax incentives given to corporation). Companies like; VW, Wacker, Amazon. The problem is there are not enough qualified candidates for many of these jobs. Many positions require a four-year or two-year degree. Well, only ~30% of Tennesseans have a college degree. So guess what? They are having to recruit candidates from other areas to fill these positions. The jobs of which you speak (laborer positions) may pay 10 bucks an hour here in TN. That is around poverty and these sorts of jobs have a high turnover rate. The lack of a union simply makes the working conditions ****tier in the south.
There is nothing stopping them forming a union. It just may overran by corrupt leaders. I do support unions that's main goal is to make the industry safer and advance that industry for the safety of the USA. Support most of the Cal. Nurses Assoc. and Nat. Air traffic controllers assoc. views and strikes, but too many unions are corrupt and send the money all the way up to the swamp in Washington. The republican and democratic creatures that leave deep in the swamp.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-28-2017, 9:22 AM Reply   
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What exactly is going on in Dennie's life that gays are causing him problems? Too much temptation? Nothing negative has ever happened in my life because there are gay people out there.

If the message is "Heaven or Hell", then there is no truthfulness in the conversation. That's called fantasy.
What's wrong with you turtle . Don't you support Free Speech?
Old    deltahoosier            06-28-2017, 9:45 AM Reply   
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Well, he did promise that Obamacare would be repealed by now.
Trump is an executive. He sets the tone and direction and the talented underlings work up the details. That is what good execs do. The president does not create or pass law until the final deal is done. That is why when I hear any president speak I know their words are hollow because that is not how government works. What I listen for is direction and that is really the best the President can do from that office.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-28-2017, 11:44 AM Reply   
Too bad he hasn't hired or installed a single "talented underling." Nothing but incompetent sycophants.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-28-2017, 11:47 AM Reply   
(with the exception of Mattis)
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(with the exception of Mattis)
Surprised you like an old born hard Marine. Interesting. While I can appreciate the snark, none of us has interviewed or worked professionally with any of them. Besides, the underlings in this case would be congress as they make the laws.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-28-2017, 2:05 PM Reply   
Actually i would try to have dialect with them. It is amazing what truthful 2 way conversation would have.
These people LGBT pride are so far gone living in sin
The LGBT message is extremely vulgar and offensive .
Classic.
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