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Old    septicwaters            10-26-2006, 9:20 PM Reply   
We just got our Tomcats in yesterday. I have been riding behind one for the past two days. We are very excited about these boats.If you are in the market for a new boat, GO! check one out at you're local dealer
Old     (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-27-2006, 5:11 AM Reply   
Whats up Greg. This is Alan from Southern Ski Boats, the VA MB dealer. Eric Gerner told me you were selling MB's too. We have been having a blast behind our Tomcats. We have been using one to shoot a new Beyond Silver Movie with Eric, Adam Fields, Travis Propst, Brian Reeder, etc, and another for an Alliance shoot last wednesday. Everyone is really impressed with the wake and we still are not adding extra weight, besides bodies and camera equipment.
Old     (bbr)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-27-2006, 7:08 AM Reply   
IMO, I think that is the ugliest boat in production today. Just my opinion.
Old     (mbouchard)      Join Date: May 2006       10-27-2006, 7:19 AM Reply   
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Old     (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       10-27-2006, 9:08 AM Reply   
I actually like looks of the Tomcat, takes me back to the good ol' go fast boat days. Something that you could party it up in at the sandbar or London Bridge, and still get a decent pull on the river glass. Probably does well with the ladies, too.

I had an opportunity to ride in Cobe's Tomcat at one of the Canyon comps this year, not a bad ride. Rode behind it, I think there was a lot of weight in it (took a while to reach speed), wake was decent, nothing spectacular, but definitely ridable/fun. Didn't get to drive it, or spend a lot of time kicking the tires, so to speak.

That being said, might be worth checking out further, but this will probably be as far as I go with this boat, Still love my SAN, have family in the Malibu business, next boat will be a VLX (one of my all time favorite rides), not a bad place to be.
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Old     (v220ls)      Join Date: Aug 2004       10-27-2006, 5:29 PM Reply   
Just one word "NO"
Other MB'S ok this one ^
Old    davekeith            10-27-2006, 6:26 PM Reply   
All I can say is lose the tower....
How about offering it with the tower that's on my 220V and buy it with the ZR6 and the 2 speed tranny.
I would bet it would out pull the 8.1 and not try to dive like a sub every time you crossed a wake...lol
Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-28-2006, 9:51 AM Reply   
I am pretty sure the Epic is far far far!! uglier
Old     (jeff359)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-28-2006, 10:03 AM Reply   
I think other than the played tribal patterns, it's a pretty nice looking boat
Old     (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       10-28-2006, 10:09 AM Reply   
The black and red one there is my favorite so far, but it still looks a bit awkward.
Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-28-2006, 12:00 PM Reply   
All that being said, I am sure the build quality is fantastic!
Old    stillstandin            10-28-2006, 12:06 PM Reply   
I like everything but the tower....and MB build quality is second to none.
Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-28-2006, 12:26 PM Reply   
I would have to agree!!!
Old     (ponte_06_x2)      Join Date: Jan 2006       10-29-2006, 9:45 PM Reply   
hey dave what do you know "nothing"
Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-30-2006, 10:43 AM Reply   
Well Ponte, I guess your right.......no
Old     (san210nut)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-30-2006, 11:06 AM Reply   
I used to own an MB and will disagree!
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       10-30-2006, 11:31 AM Reply   
The MB graphics person should definitely be fired and banned from the industry.

At least he is consistent though.
Old     (tings00)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-30-2006, 12:43 PM Reply   
i wouldnt quite say it is the ugliest, maybe 2nd ugliest, this would be the #1:
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Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-30-2006, 1:03 PM Reply   
Yea, That is bad. What problems did you have w/ your mb red sovine?
Old     (san210nut)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-30-2006, 3:12 PM Reply   
I didn't have any problems, I just wouldn't say that their build quality is second to none, that's all.
Old     (poser007)      Join Date: Nov 2004       10-30-2006, 10:44 PM Reply   
I own an MB and it's my favortie boat to date. I think that Red TomCat is one of the nicest looking boats around....I guarentee if you take it to the lake people would start crowding around it in awe......
Old     (woreout)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-31-2006, 6:06 AM Reply   
Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh.
Old     (boardshack)      Join Date: Feb 2005       10-31-2006, 11:40 AM Reply   
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Old    stillstandin            10-31-2006, 4:24 PM Reply   
I'm sure I've posted it before, and I dont own a MB. There is a very well respected boat mechaninc hear in town, has no affiliation to any boat. FWIW, he made the comment to me once, if you want a name, go buy a (Insert your big 3 name here), it you want a truly incredibly built boat, go buy a MB. This was this last year. This is a guy who fixes everything from fiberglass, to motor. He gets inside, and has seen all kinds of boats. I agree about the graphics tho.
Old    septicwaters            11-02-2006, 9:59 AM Reply   
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Old    benni89            11-03-2006, 8:27 AM Reply   
Nice clean look!
Old     (tommyg)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-03-2006, 8:30 AM Reply   
Does the exaggerated picklefork give any added value other than the visual aspect, which is truely...subjective?

From the pics anyway, it looks as though it adds a good foot or so to the length, which could be key for gettng it into a garage...
Old     (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-03-2006, 8:32 AM Reply   
It is extremely difficult to dunk the nose and the boat gives a nice dry ride in rough water...other than that is all visual.
Old     (batman)      Join Date: Nov 2001       11-03-2006, 7:15 PM Reply   
I also rode with Cobe in Knoxville, TN and this boat is awesome. The 375 hp pulled this boat great. The tower is very solid and the boats takes on double ups better than anything I have ridden in and thats about all of them. No added weight needed as this pup puts out a great wake. If you haven't seen it in person, you are missing out on a great looking boat. The pictures do not do it justice. We tried our best to bury the nose and couldn't do it fully loaded and stopping in the middle of some big double ups and figure eights. Don't have any negatives personally.
Old     (fbi)      Join Date: Oct 2005       11-04-2006, 5:47 AM Reply   
Are they trying to make a nautique back end with a mastercraft front end? I can't follow the lines and like them but to each their own. The wake looks decent. Best of luck to MB with their new model.
Old     (mikejessup)      Join Date: Jul 2005       11-04-2006, 11:34 PM Reply   
So Mike you say it doesn't need any weight but then you had it fully loaded... Which one is it
Old    kvanderg            11-05-2006, 9:13 AM Reply   
I was hoping there was REASON someone would make a boat this ugly... you know:

1) It costs $10 to buy
2) Runs on solar power
3) Can tow it through the mountains with a Toyota Tercel
4) Puts out anything from a tournament slalom wake to 5' wall of water and eveything in between at the touch of a button.
5) Self cleaning
6) Change on the fly hull and interior colour combinations/graphics
7) Doesn't require servicing or winterizing
8) Get $15 back when you trade up to a new one
9) Etc.

But it sounds just like a regular boat only REALLLLLLLY ugly.
Old     (surfnfury65)      Join Date: Aug 2004       11-05-2006, 9:30 AM Reply   
I just love how people put down boats because they own a different brand. It's that whole "Ford/Chevy" thing. I'd rather paddle and MB than motor with a Malibu! J/K. I love all boats. It took a while but I am starting to like the pickle fork. That goes for MC, MB and all others. If I had the room and the $$ I'd get one.
Late$
Wadd$
Old    stillstandin            11-05-2006, 9:58 AM Reply   
Besides the graphics, and the tower, I think it looks just fine. Much better than the CC 220, or the epic. Those are the two ugliest boats on the water IMO......and its just opinion. If somebody else like it, that is great. That is why we have so many boats to choose from.
Old    kvanderg            11-05-2006, 12:41 PM Reply   
Johhny,

I assume you are refering to me... and I think you misinterpreted my message... so here it goes.

I like ALL kinds of boats... as a matter of fact I can list at least 1 boat from almost every manufacturer that I really like... that includes MB. There are way more boats I like than the ones I dislike.

The real question is unless the Tomcat can do something very special as compared to its competition... why make it so FUGLY and;therefore, any harder than it has to be to sell in a very competitive market.

I would rather motor a Tomcat than paddle my Malibu... I guess that makes you far more closed minded than I
Old     (surfnfury65)      Join Date: Aug 2004       11-05-2006, 1:52 PM Reply   
Not directed at you. I have seen so many posts on here that start off with how do you like this boat and then it starts to get nasty. I was just kidding about the paddle part. I was refering to those "I'd rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy" stickers. I like Malibu boats. I will admit when I saw the first picklefork boat I thought it was very ugly. Like when Chevy changed there body style in 99/00. I thought it was ugly but I like it now. I'm not on here to offend anyone so sorry if I did.
Late$
J
Old    kvanderg            11-05-2006, 5:16 PM Reply   
Johnny... thats cool. I know what you mean... there are a real mix of people on here and some just need a shovel taken to the back of their head. Your not one of them... and I hope I'm not one either

There are so many boats I like and would grateful to go for a pull behind; however, when you start talking about spending $60K-$85K (CDN) on a boat... I start getting a little bit fussy about the details, performance AND how it looks.

I just hope a friend or family member never buys a Tomcat... that would be like getting a BBQ brush for X-mas and have to say how much you like it so as not to hurt anyones feelings

By the way... I love the way the Epic looks... snow camo all the way
Old     (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       11-05-2006, 6:56 PM Reply   
"why make it so FUGLY"

Sound like an opinion to me, and you know what they say about opinions and
Old    kvanderg            11-06-2006, 4:22 AM Reply   
TackleBerry,

If you took a poll and 90% of the tournament boat buying public thinks this boat is FUGLY... would it still be just an opinion... or could you, for all intents and purposes, say the dam boat is FUGLY already?

Jeez
Old     (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-06-2006, 5:44 AM Reply   
I have had a lot of people out in the Tomcat over the past few months, cutomers, pros, video crews, photographers, etc. Didn't have a single person not like the boat. Its just one of those boats you have to see in person. I personally think the Tomcat makes the X-Star look like a train wreck.
Old     (woreout)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-06-2006, 6:25 AM Reply   
Too bad for MB that most riders love "train wrecks"
Old     (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       11-06-2006, 6:36 AM Reply   
How do you get the 90% figure? Did you take a poll? Did that poll include all boat buyers or was it just a sample of 90% haters? I'm calling 100% bullsh.t

Jeez

(Message edited by socalwakepunk on November 06, 2006)
Old     (roughrivermike)      Join Date: Apr 2006       11-06-2006, 8:48 AM Reply   
"I personally think the Tomcat makes the X-Star look like a train wreck."

Alan, you sound like a guy that has to sell these things.....Oh wait, you do have to sell these things...Good luck with that?????
Old    stillstandin            11-06-2006, 9:02 AM Reply   
I will have to agree....just saw the TOMCAT this weekend....WOW. I have never been a huge fan of the picklefork, but this boat ( still dont like the tower) is awesome. And I agree. I have spent some time in the X-Star. This is head and shoulders above it.
Old     (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       11-06-2006, 12:53 PM Reply   
MB makes a killer product, in my opinion, a lot better than a lot of its competition. I have ridden behind and/or owned just about every boat wake/ski boat that has been built since 1975. I think that there are a lot of great boats out there. The Tomcat is a very impressive boat from many different perspectives, wake, performance, quality of build, size, ride quality, and price. I do not post on wakeworld to sell boats, I sell plenty of boats, and I enjoy wakeworld mostly to check out new product and look at pics of people's boats. The only thing that gets to me is when some kid posts about something that he has no clue about. MB makes less than 1/10th the number of boats that the other "big 3" manufaturers make, and that is all MB wants to build. They are not for everyone, they are for serious riders, 2500 lbs of ballast produces too much wake for 70% of the kids on this forum. If you find youself stacking an additional 2k of ballast in your X-Star, sounds to me like it is time for an upgrade. Thats what I did....and the next thing I know I am an MB dealer. That is how good MB is. Don't knock it till you try it.
Old     (woreout)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-06-2006, 1:11 PM Reply   
alans. How did you own a boat in 1975 when you were born in 1980? I dont think anyone here has been downing the quality of Tige, just the look. That front end is a little swollen looking IMO. I wouldnt talk about the wake or quality because I have never been in or behind one. I do however agree with you about the kids and their opinions.

(Message edited by woreout on November 06, 2006)
Old     (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       11-06-2006, 1:14 PM Reply   
Billy - does this mean that I cannot own a '62 Caddy cause I was not born yet?
Old     (woreout)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-06-2006, 1:17 PM Reply   
True I edited it cause I knew you would get technical on me Tack.LOL Still kinda a bold statement, he was only 13 in 1993. Maybe I'm just so old he seems like a kid to me.
Old     (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       11-06-2006, 1:20 PM Reply   
Tell me about it...(can't find the "old" icon again)
Old    septicwaters            11-06-2006, 4:51 PM Reply   
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Old    kvanderg            11-06-2006, 6:23 PM Reply   
Tackleberry,

Go back, take a deep breath and re-read (or perhaps read for the first time) what I posted.

It's called "hypothetically" speaking. I was wondering... if I had an actual poll showing 90%... would you still just call it an opinion?

Ah forget it... I what I mean to say is both you and the Tomcat ROCK! But... I guess thats just another opinion. Jeez
Old     (batman)      Join Date: Nov 2001       11-06-2006, 7:09 PM Reply   
When I stated fully loaded means that we had all the stock ballast and the wake was awesome with NO added weight.
Old     (roughrivermike)      Join Date: Apr 2006       11-06-2006, 7:44 PM Reply   
alan, YOU are a dealer... Of course it is the greatest boat in the HISTORY of wake board boats. I own an XSTAR because I can buy any boat that I want, not because I am obligated to ride behind one. Maybe after MB wins 4 riders choice "wakeboard boat of the year awards" people will believe, but don't call the Xstar a train wreck.......You loooooose all credibility!
Old     (jovedawake)      Join Date: Mar 2006       11-06-2006, 7:44 PM Reply   
ok MB Sports...so the majority of people on here don't like the graphics or tower...change those...

And I think that's cool that those forks keep water from coming over the bow. Now how about they add some storage compartments in those huge things? That would be cool to throw a shirt in there or sun-block.
Old     (supra24ssv)      Join Date: Mar 2006       11-06-2006, 7:52 PM Reply   
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Old     (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       11-06-2006, 7:57 PM Reply   
Well then, hypothetically, How do you get the 90% figure? Did you take a hypothetical poll? Did that poll include all hypothetical boat buyers or was it just a hypothetical sample of 90% haters? I'm calling 100% bullsh.t (hypothetically, of course)

Bottom line, don't talk sh.t if you can't take sh.t... You ROCK too! That's an opinion (hypothetically speaking). Jeez
Old     (san210nut)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-06-2006, 8:12 PM Reply   
Mike is one hell of a guy, that's for sure...
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Old     (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       11-14-2006, 4:27 PM Reply   
greg is that a wrap? i heard you were going to be showing a special tomcat on friday... when is this going to debut on pdxwake?
Old    AWS            11-14-2006, 4:59 PM Reply   
Diggs-
Yeah it's a wrap. We are pretty stoked with how it came out! Sean did a good job with the desighn. I will have Sean throw this up on PDX Wake. See you at Evening With The Stars friday night.
Old     (entrustclothing)      Join Date: Jul 2005       11-14-2006, 5:41 PM Reply   
the boat came out better than i had imagined! it looks great. i hope we can do another one soon!
Old     (unclesam)      Join Date: Nov 2005       11-14-2006, 6:40 PM Reply   
Damn looks awesome. Hey sean I think I see YOUR next boat.
Old     (spencerwakeside)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-16-2006, 9:25 AM Reply   
That boat looks amazing. I cant wait to check it out on Friday. Great job guys. Sean I like the design. Very clean.
Old     (goodwin)      Join Date: Feb 2006       11-20-2006, 8:09 AM Reply   
Seattle Water Sports "Evening of the Stars".
I took a few quick pics of the Tomcats on Saturday nite. It was great to finally see one!
Thanks SWS for a fun nite!

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Old     (entrustclothing)      Join Date: Jul 2005       11-21-2006, 1:00 PM Reply   
the 3 color tomcats just don't work for me
Old     (auto)      Join Date: Aug 2002       11-21-2006, 7:56 PM Reply   
Malibu, MC and CC could go out of business tomorrow, and I would not buy the Tomkat, one of the ugliest boats I have ever seen.
Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       11-22-2006, 2:28 PM Reply   
Wow shane. How do you really feel?
Old     (cdl)      Join Date: Oct 2006       11-22-2006, 4:59 PM Reply   
jealous people make me laugh HA HA HA
Old     (auto)      Join Date: Aug 2002       11-22-2006, 5:51 PM Reply   
jealous????? puhlease. Get a new boat every 2 years, and believe me the Tomkat is not on my radar. A boat named after a Hollywood sham couple
Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       11-22-2006, 9:47 PM Reply   
Maybe if you bought a MB you would't have to buy a new boat every two years.
Old     (auto)      Join Date: Aug 2002       11-23-2006, 3:47 AM Reply   
Yep my Malibu's just keeps falling apart w/o those backing platesnot!!! I have never been w/o a boat on the weekends since owning BU's, in fact the 05 never went into the shop expect for fluid changes. I just like smelling the new
Old     (supra24ssv)      Join Date: Mar 2006       11-23-2006, 6:20 AM Reply   
it is the pontiac aztec of boats, i would hate to see how cheap these will be in 3 years
Old     (trx1noob)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-23-2006, 6:42 AM Reply   
wow, can you feel the love in here??lol If the dealer would have pulled his head out, i would have been at the night of the stars ordering a boat. he must not have taken me seriously, never got any calls back and any info. the boat defianately has it's own look. not sure why some of your are so persistent and on top of trashing the looks. we've heard your opinion, move on. what would you have said if it came out looking identical to the mastercraft? ya ain't gonna please everyone. I'm with entrust, they need to try a 2 color combo, tone it down just a tad. I think it would look even better yet.
Old     (cdl)      Join Date: Oct 2006       11-23-2006, 9:09 AM Reply   
different strokes for different folks

It does look better in person. It's one of those things that take some time to grow on you. some longer than others.

nice boat dave.

Remember everyone there is quality and quantity. Just because you build a lot or sell a lot of units doesn't always mean it's the best
Old     (macgiver)      Join Date: Jun 2006       11-24-2006, 6:47 PM Reply   
"the pontiac azetec of boats"?well, you did by a supra I guess that says it all. oh, and in three years still worth more than any supra.

Thanks CL
Old     (bensk8in)      Join Date: Feb 2006       11-27-2006, 10:48 PM Reply   
Man that boat looks sick, I really dug the one behind the bus. The tower looks awesome, I heard its super solid, I hope we see more creative thinking like this in the future!

DONT HATE, CONGRAGULATE!!!!

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