Sorry I have not got back to you jdude. I am a teacher and the people who rode the substance are students and we have had 2 snowdays in a row up here in Michigan so I have not been able to talk to them. Hopefully tomorrow. As for the trip, I have a 138 that I use for a boat board, it tracks like a waterski, very fast and is hard to break loose because of the 6 fins. I switched to the byerly basically because the trip landed very hard! The byerly has better pop, but the trip is easier to control off the wake. The trip was perfect on my old mastercraft wake because it was steeper, you don't get as much pop off my malibu wake. The 3-stage byerly works great off my VLX wake because the wake is more rampy. Last months WBM had a great artice on it.
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