X45 - XStar

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Which boat has a more wakeboard friendly wake?

(jsxstar) · (jsxstar) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-01-2006, 8:52 PM

the x-star throws the best wake out there but the x-45 is more of a family friendly boat do to the space and still has a good wakeboard wake

alanp 10-01-2006, 8:56 PM

i thought the beam was too wide on the x-45. it seemed to need alot of weight to throw a decent wake. i have never ridden on a sacked out x-45 and im sure it would be nice. i have ridden behind x-stars and based on wake alone i would go with the x-star

(madchild1) · (madchild1) **Join Date: Mar 2005** 10-01-2006, 9:00 PM

the x-45 is only 2 inches wider...

(pdxviperguy) · (pdxviperguy) **Join Date: Jul 2006** 10-01-2006, 11:21 PM

SANTE

(morgs) · (morgs) **Join Date: Nov 2005** 10-02-2006, 9:25 AM

I have an X-Star...I have driven both, if your looking for best wake, you cant go past the X-Star...IMO.

In saying that, the 45 is also very nice, throws an awesome wakesurf wake, for both regular and goofy riders. We never got a chance to slam it, so I cannot give a fair review on the wakeboard wake. Really sweet boat though...

(byrd) · (byrd) **Join Date: Dec 2005** 10-02-2006, 5:04 PM

I think the X-star is rated for 13 people and the X-45 is 18. BTW, Mad Child, 2" added to the beam adds up to a lot of extra interior room. Personally I would choose the X-Star, but if you want a real comfortable boat that handles rough water well, go with the X-45.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-02-2006, 5:47 PM

"the x-star throws the best wake out there" - JS (jsxstar)

LOL! I don't know where "out there" is but you really should consider taking a ride behind a SAN!

(madchild1) · (madchild1) **Join Date: Mar 2005** 10-02-2006, 6:22 PM

byrd, i was referring to alan's comment about the 45 having too wide of a beam compared to the x-star.

(byrd) · (byrd) **Join Date: Dec 2005** 10-02-2006, 6:31 PM

My bad, lol. You know how it is on these forums, many post when they have no experience...BTW Red, have you ever been behind a newer sacked out X-Star?

(Message edited by byrd on October 02, 2006)

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-02-2006, 6:58 PM

Xstar has 100" beam and X45 is 102" if you price the two out you can get the 45 for the same price as the Xstar. I would go with the 45 lots of room for the human ballast as well as Pro ballast. The 45 has a killer surf wake also, and the towers in '07 are very similar to each other.

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-02-2006, 7:07 PM

The SAN has 91"or 92" beam, nice wake but NO room or storage to speak of. It also has permanent carpet and is not a linered boat. I guess thats why they just redesigned it.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-02-2006, 7:24 PM

ya, and costs about 20K less...

(xater83088) · (xater83088) **Join Date: Oct 2006** 10-02-2006, 8:29 PM

well all im going to say is that the star kicks a nice wake and the 45 is to long for my taste

(bennygoodx) · (bennygoodx) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-02-2006, 10:23 PM

I just bought the 45. Love it. Posting pics next week. My bro has a star and the wake is ridiculous but I'd never use it to the degree it can go. The 45 is the ultimate party/comfy boat. And the surf wake on the 45 is wayyy better than the star.

(pf728) · (pf728) **Join Date: Aug 2005** 10-03-2006, 7:09 AM

"the x-star throws the best wake out there" - JS (jsxstar)

"LOL! I don't know where "out there" is but you really should consider taking a ride behind a SAN!" - red sovine

"ya, and costs about 20K less..."- red sovine

Red, to start, the 210 wake is 2nd to the x1. It has been discussed here many times and both are the same money equally equiped.

2nd. And most importatnltly, The 210 is the ugliest tow boat I have ever seen!

Stay on subject and don't high jack peoples threads just cause you are a proud owner of one of the ugliest boats out there IMO.

(big_xstar) · (big_xstar) **Join Date: Nov 2004** 10-03-2006, 7:18 AM

Wow

(socalwakepunk) · (socalwakepunk) **Join Date: Dec 2002** 10-03-2006, 8:06 AM

"Red, to start, the 210 wake is 2nd to the x1"

Is there no end to the hypocracy?

On topic: How much is an X-45. Dude on another thread said he paid 110k for his.

(socalwakepunk) · (socalwakepunk) **Join Date: Dec 2002** 10-03-2006, 8:08 AM

Come to think of it, it may have been Ben...

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-03-2006, 8:30 AM

you can get a 45 up to 110k, but a 45 option for option is about the same price as a Xstar. Base price on '06 is around 68-69k for both. However you can load both up with everything you can think of and get close to 100k. I think some people add a few extra bucks to what they bought when posting here.

(socalwakepunk) · (socalwakepunk) **Join Date: Dec 2002** 10-03-2006, 9:05 AM

30k in options? Still not making much sense.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-03-2006, 9:34 AM

"both are the same money equally equiped" - Patrick (pf728)

Really? You can get a new 210 for under $50K, I haven't seen one X-Star for under $50K.

(psudy) · (psudy) **Join Date: Dec 2003** 10-03-2006, 9:38 AM

Dude, can you not read the title of this thread? Go spout your san crap somewhere else.

(jcv) · (jcv) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 10-03-2006, 9:46 AM

As Paul alluded to, reading must not be your strong suit:

"Red, to start, the 210 wake is 2nd to the x1. It has been discussed here many times and both are the same money equally equipped."

Where does it say the X-Star and SAN are priced equally?

(Note: it's a little hypocritical to accuse someone of saying their SAN is the best wake because they own one when you're doing the same with your X-1)

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-03-2006, 9:48 AM

In the post
By Patrick (pf728) on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 7:09 am:

"both are the same money equally equipped"

(Message edited by san210Nut on October 03, 2006)

(jcv) · (jcv) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 10-03-2006, 9:53 AM

At any rate,

X-Star with over 3500 lbs. of ballast, people, gear = unbeatable (unless you're Keith Lyman and ride at 95+'...then the LSV may take the fully sacked out cake)

X-Star with less than that = easily beatable

SAN = great wake, but not for everyone...especially if you weigh over 200 lbs.

X-1 = awesome wake but needs more weight than you'd expect from such a narrow boat

X-45 = I don't know, I've never ridden one, but they look sweet

Everybody happy now? Did I give your choice of boats enough "props" for your liking?

(Message edited by jcv on October 03, 2006)

(jcv) · (jcv) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 10-03-2006, 9:56 AM

Red, he's referring to the X-1 and the SAN...that's why they're in the same paragraph. Logic, use it.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-03-2006, 10:04 AM

Sorry, I get confused with all the X's...

(pdxviperguy) · (pdxviperguy) **Join Date: Jul 2006** 10-03-2006, 10:11 AM

x-star Great boat with additional ballast
x-45 more of an all around boat and great for tons of people
SAN - Pure hardcore boat for riding and small if you bring many people along
X-1 great with additional ballast

If you want to wakeboard and not haul a billion people get the x-star. Make sure that your local dealer is a good one or you will hate whatever it is that you get.

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-03-2006, 11:13 AM

Sounds crazy TackleBerry but options add up quick. 6.0L is $9635.00 8.1 is $12365, tandem trailer $6100.00 tower speakers, lights, cover, heater, shower, fresh water wash down, perfect pass, etc. it does not take long. As for the SAN fan get your own thread you can name it NOTHING NEW.

(big_ed_x2) · (big_ed_x2) **Join Date: Jul 2004** 10-03-2006, 12:52 PM

quote:
Is there no end to the hypocrisy?

You know I don't mean any disrespect Jeff but shouldn't you comment on everybody else hijacking the thread to post how their SAN is better instead concentrating on one guy that posted about the X1 wake being better?

Wake is just a preference guys,leave the subject alone.

(mcmike) · (mcmike) **Join Date: Jul 2006** 10-03-2006, 12:57 PM

I don't see how the price of a 45 could get to 110k. I think have everything possible, 8.1L, 4 lights, 4 speakers, heater, shower, tandem trailer, PP, transom remote, towing cover, bimini, etc, etc, etc. I paid 85k with tax.

(big_xstar) · (big_xstar) **Join Date: Nov 2004** 10-03-2006, 1:03 PM

Mike. sounds like you one HELL of a deal.

(socalwakepunk) · (socalwakepunk) **Join Date: Dec 2002** 10-03-2006, 1:08 PM

Big Ed - When I see a comment like "Red, to start, the 210 wake is 2nd to the x1" without an IMO, I have to call bullsh.t. You are exactly right, wake is a preference, completely subjective. I don't see a whole lot of hijacking going on here, just some responses to comments that have been tossed out as fact, when ideed they are opinions. BTW this (hijacking) wasn't a problem on the '07 210 thread...(no disrespect)

(Message edited by socalwakepunk on October 03, 2006)

(ldr) · (ldr) **Join Date: Nov 2002** 10-03-2006, 1:09 PM

Some people love to go above and beyond and they want everything financed with the dealer. That means power flag, triple axle trailer, multiple DVD screens etc. All ads up quick.

(socalwakepunk) · (socalwakepunk) **Join Date: Dec 2002** 10-03-2006, 1:11 PM

Mike - that is closer to what I would expect that boat to go for, high 80s, maybe 90.

(psudy) · (psudy) **Join Date: Dec 2003** 10-03-2006, 1:22 PM

110K for a 24ft boat is crazy. Someone got hosed.

...Sure I can add that, just bend over this table while I....

(big_ed_x2) · (big_ed_x2) **Join Date: Jul 2004** 10-03-2006, 1:35 PM

That was a problem too that I got called out on many times that thread.
Same thing,no different.

I try to learn and move on.

(socalwakepunk) · (socalwakepunk) **Join Date: Dec 2002** 10-03-2006, 1:41 PM

It's cool. My main interest here is what appears to be the high costs of some of the MCs.

(socalwakepunk) · (socalwakepunk) **Join Date: Dec 2002** 10-03-2006, 1:43 PM

BTW - I have respect for your opinions. While some people have claims to big nice wakes, you have really been there.

(wake4fun) · (wake4fun) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 10-03-2006, 2:10 PM

Options on the X 45 and Star can add up. Most who buy the 45 add just about everything you can get including a blinged out trailer and end up around 90,000. Yeah a lot of money but these are guys with money and they want what they want. Correct Craft does not have a boat that compares with the X45 in size or bling...it is a personal preference and not everyone is looking for the boat that only a couple of their closest buds and gear will fit in.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-03-2006, 2:16 PM

Christy,
I guess you don't know about the Correct Craft 236. All the size and bling you want...

http://www.planetnautique.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6961

Specifications:
Length Overall 25’ 4.5”
Beam: 100.5”
Draft: 29”
Approximate weight: 4,300 lbs
Gear reduction ratio: 1:48
Max. Capacity: 14 people (2,200 lbs)
Available Ballast: 1056 pounds

(Message edited by san210Nut on October 03, 2006)

(boarder_x) · (boarder_x) **Join Date: Mar 2006** 10-03-2006, 2:38 PM

Red, you are a tool. .... Is the sky purple in the world you live in?

GIVE IT A REST!!

(mcmike) · (mcmike) **Join Date: Jul 2006** 10-03-2006, 2:44 PM

LMFAO!

Thanks Robb, I needed that.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-03-2006, 2:45 PM

Can I be a Philips Screwdriver?

(trace) · (trace) **Join Date: Feb 2002** 10-03-2006, 3:01 PM

Oh boy, Another boat war!

dead horse

(trace) · (trace) **Join Date: Feb 2002** 10-03-2006, 3:04 PM

I vote that anyone with a reference to a particular boat in their username be banned from posting on these threads.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-03-2006, 3:11 PM

That would remove half the posts on wakeworld!

(big_xstar) · (big_xstar) **Join Date: Nov 2004** 10-03-2006, 3:14 PM

Trace.. now whay would you say that?

(tbonus) · (tbonus) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 10-03-2006, 5:53 PM

too stick to the question - Which boat has a more wakeboard friendly wake?

I have ridden both and i would say the x-star is more friendly. The x-45 is a big boat and the more weight you add the harder it is to clean the wake below 22.5 mph. If you ride at say 23.5 it is an awsome ride with six or eight people and stock ballast. But the wake does not clean up 100% until u get over 23 mph if you have 3 or more people. On the otherhand, the x-star seemed to have a clean wake at any speed and weight.

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-03-2006, 6:53 PM

I was referring to MSRP being close to or above 100k. Nobody I know of has ever paid MSRP if they did God help em. Hey RED how much does the 7ft tall first mate option cost to put the tower down on the 236?

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-03-2006, 7:08 PM

You surely haven't been on a 236 Billy or you wouldn't have to ask that question. The 236 is one sweet boat!

(lionel) · (lionel) **Join Date: Nov 2005** 10-03-2006, 7:19 PM

More wakeboard friendly, I would agree with Tbonus' comments. Billy, I remember a thread where the guy said he paid $110k for a fully loaded X-45...

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-03-2006, 7:48 PM

Sat in the 236 at Expo. The tower on the CC is ridiculously hard to lay forward unless you are very tall. No kidding CC and MC are the two best on the market imo. I just like the friendly ribbing that goes on here. If there was only one brand of boat it would'nt be as much fun now would it.

(psudy) · (psudy) **Join Date: Dec 2003** 10-04-2006, 6:53 AM

Damn that thing was ugly.

(big_ed_x2) · (big_ed_x2) **Join Date: Jul 2004** 10-04-2006, 7:44 AM

quote:
BTW - I have respect for your opinions. While some people have claims to big nice wakes, you have really been there.

And me for yours.You must be one of the nicest people with one of the biggest wakes I've ridden.

Anybody that says SAN has the nicest wake....I can't really argue with that b/c it is one of the top no doubt.

(bennygoodx) · (bennygoodx) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 10:07 AM

Oh yes, options add up quick. I was just happy they had that binding lube pump on the day I bought or I would have been in real pain. LOL.

And yes I did in fact pay $111,300 for a 2007 X-45. I put everything on it. I use my boat for business as often as I do for pleasure, so that's why I went for it. I take delivery on saturday. Yes, there will be pictures of the new infamous:

"BEAVER RETRIEVER"

(factory) · (factory) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 10:13 AM

i will get to see the boat on saturday too. i helped him with some of the option choices. there is chrome cupholders, chrome speaker grills and upgraded stereo system, auto flag. think the only thing that it does not have is the binding lube pump. it does have the sic switch graphics on it tho. most x-stars fully loaded come out to around 90K with the MXC engine. that L1 corvette engine is a huge upgrade.

When it becomes a tax write off, why not!!!!!

(stephan) · (stephan) **Join Date: Nov 2002** 10-04-2006, 10:32 AM

I just love the random insertion of SAN up there. How does it relate to the original request for intel? Absolutely zero. Just some guys retardedly biased opinion, thanks for sharing, you've done NOTHING to help.

Let me just get it over with.

You d-bags copy one of the following:Malibu 247, Supra 24v, Tige 24ve, Moomba XLV, Sanger V230, MB Tomcat, ___________

Then pick one of these: is better than what you have. Because I said so and I like my boat & like to justify my spending so I therefore look cooler.

or: has a much better wake because my one friend who does barrel rolls said so. I have yet to clear the wake but my friend said I should try a whirlybird, I guess my wake is good for those. Can you hear that sub? yeah!

In regards to the question. IMO the X-Star has an incredible wake when loaded to the gills. Big, thick, really wide and user friendly. The 45 is a beast and less wake specific, it can get there but is tough on the beginner.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 10:50 AM

Big Heavy, get over it man! It happens in every post. I love how you Mastercraft guys make such a fuss when we post something about SAN in your thread but you guys have no problems posting in the SAN threads. Get over it man!

(stephan) · (stephan) **Join Date: Nov 2002** 10-04-2006, 11:06 AM

Mastercraft guy? I am not a boat owner, I'm simply commenting on the question that was asked. I'm the impartial 3 man that likes all boats. Ask Tackleberry, I love his SAN wake. Its one of the best wakes I've ever ridden. But on this post it has no bearing whatsoever.

Red, of your thirty some posts at least half have been you poaching on someones quest for valid opinions. Your rhetoric helps no one.

Now you may say that since I don't own a boat I can't talk ish. (Some have presented this point). I say that for someone that wants legit info I'm the best there is. I ride them all and I have no agenda. But when it comes to answering a question or coming straight outta left field I choose to not comment on posts that I don't know crap about. For example, you and Mastercraft X-Stars or X-45s. Your owners goggles have somehow given you the idea that anyone cares. Good day.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 11:22 AM

Thanks for monitoring my posts, I really appreciate it.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 11:22 AM

Thanks for monitoring my posts, I really appreciate it. Poaching?

(factory) · (factory) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 11:28 AM

RED- idea for you. start your own thread that says " my boat is, was, and will always be the best" then see how many posts you get.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 11:31 AM

I don't have a boat, I'm looking though...Thanks for the advice!

(factory) · (factory) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 11:35 AM

sure are very one sided opinionated for not even owning one.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 12:06 PM

For your info, I have owned 9 tournament style boats and 15 boats total, it's sort of a hobby to buy, fix-up and sell them. I have owned 2 MB Sports, 3 Correct Crafts, 1 Malibu, 1 Sanger and 2 Mastercraft. Most all had fiberglass damage that I bought at insurance sales. I think I am pretty well versed in the quality and construction of all the boats and have a pretty educated opinion. I've been wakeboardin for 8 years, so I have a pretty educated opinion on wakes too. Thanks for asking...

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 12:10 PM

Red is living in the past, there is nothing wrong with the SAN its just OLD. CC has, and always will be one of the best, but reluctant to change with the times. They are just like RED {who does not even have a boat} must relish in past accomplishments. CC is always the guy saying hey,hey, what about us? We have a wakeboard boat that used to be talked about like the Xstar and X45 and X2, its the best! CC's are great boats and always will be. Just do us a favor RED get your own post. Maybe bring up the BAREFOOT NAUTIQUE it used to be badass.

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 12:14 PM

If your so well versed, why are you san210nut? Why not Red the JunkMan or 9boatbondoking?

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 12:16 PM

Actually Billy,
I have fixed up and sold an X-Star and X2, 2 SANTES, and a B-52, all newer than 2003. I have rode behind them all. If that doesn't allow me to have an opinion, I don't know what does. I have also been behind an X-Star and X45 and still prefer the SAN. I will get my own post when I want, but if you keep referring to me in this one I will keep replying. Also I didn't start the SAN interjection in this post, I merely followed it up!

(trace) · (trace) **Join Date: Feb 2002** 10-04-2006, 12:22 PM

quote:
I have fixed up and sold an X-Star and X2, 2 SANTES, and a B-52, all newer than 2003.

Wow. Got any pics of your projects?

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 12:23 PM

point taken.

(psudy) · (psudy) **Join Date: Dec 2003** 10-04-2006, 12:52 PM

Yeah, I smell BS. Lets see pics.

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 1:02 PM

So Chqwakeboarder any idea on which boat? Xstar or X45 this sure has been informative. I say 45 thats just me. Lots of room and a great all around boat for riding or whatever. Good luck!

(bennygoodx) · (bennygoodx) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 1:58 PM

Billy- definitely go demo them both all day. They're such great boats in their own ways. The 45 is simply a lot bigger with more storage and a better surf wake. The 45 can hold 10 people and have plenty of room still; that's why I bought it. The wakeboard wake on the star is hands-down the best and if you only ever ride with 4-6 people, then that is your boat. You can save 20k as well. The fit and finish on the boats will be the same. This year, same towers and everything.

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 10-04-2006, 2:09 PM

I'm not buying, but your right he should demo both and make his decision. 20k is a stretch base MSRP is within 2k of each other. The Xstar comes with a few more standard options though, like Perfect Pass etc.

(byrd) · (byrd) **Join Date: Dec 2005** 10-04-2006, 2:38 PM

Billy, I thought Red convinced you to go get a SANTE 210....

(zaner1) · (zaner1) **Join Date: Apr 2004** 10-04-2006, 4:44 PM

While everyone is on the subject of the X-45, I happen to have one with almost every option (did not get the binding blaster because I had one on my X-Star and never used it). Wetsounds on the tower, incredibly beautiful boat. If someone feels the urge to spend $100k plus, I would be happy to put a big bow on it and deliver it anywhere in the U.S.
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(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 4:57 PM

I don't disclose the history of the boats that I sell. They usually are resold at an automotive dealer auction here in Phoenix where everything is don't ask don't tell. I couldn't really sell the boats to buyers myself without telling them the history of the boats. From what I know, most end up back east in Kentucky or some place at some big used boat brokers yard. I do have some close up photos though that don't expose a specific color scheme, or they would probably never sell, that I will scan and post tonight though. Most of the boats that I get are from Havasu and Powell storms although Lake Pleasant sometimes produces some, they usually have hull or engine damage.

(san210nut) · (san210nut) **Join Date: Sep 2006** 10-04-2006, 5:06 PM

Here is a boat that i repaired...
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I bought it for $6K and sold it for $16K at auction it's an '03.