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Old     (canada_air)      Join Date: Nov 2003       09-16-2005, 9:59 PM Reply   
i was wondering how much weight everyone is using these days

800--1200
1200-1600
1600-2000
2000-2500
2500--up
Old     (chas)      Join Date: Feb 2002       09-16-2005, 10:05 PM Reply   
Sanger V210 1600 lbs plus
Old     (madchild1)      Join Date: Mar 2005       09-17-2005, 3:53 AM Reply   
malibu response lx

1200 currently. soon to be re-propped and loaded with another 800# and wedge.
Old     (tyboarder03)      Join Date: Nov 2003       09-17-2005, 8:59 AM Reply   
Centurion Air Warrior 500-1700lbs
Old     (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       09-17-2005, 11:00 AM Reply   
water or lead ballast????

It does make a differents which one you are using.
Old     (madchild1)      Join Date: Mar 2005       09-17-2005, 12:09 PM Reply   
WATER! i'll never use lead in my current boat. even in a future boat i would only use it in moderation. you can always get rid of water ballast whereas you're stuck with lead.
Old     (clubjoe)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-17-2005, 12:29 PM Reply   
310 water, 280 lead, plus stock ballast (750), plus soda and two wrenches..........

Old     (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       09-17-2005, 3:57 PM Reply   
1400 water, 225 lead.

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Old     (tdc_worm)      Join Date: Sep 2002       09-17-2005, 4:15 PM Reply   
just curious how water vs. lead ballast makes a difference? the water that the boat displaces has no idea nor does it care where weight comes from...

Calabria Pro V... 700 lb internal always. 1200 lbs of sacks if we are feeling like we are pros...which we are not!

(Message edited by tdc_worm on September 17, 2005)
Old     (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       09-17-2005, 4:29 PM Reply   
tdc worm- "the water that the boat displaces has no idea nor does it care where weight comes from... " - totally agreed... Big Ed please explain.
Old     (ktmwakeboarder)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-17-2005, 4:42 PM Reply   
Weight is weight yeah? Lead vs water is just the amount of space or volume taken up...

1250 fat seat + dual 350 sacs stacked in front "hallway" = 1950 :-)

haha, are we gonna get into counting people and gear?
Old     (stevev210)      Join Date: Feb 2005       09-17-2005, 4:49 PM Reply   
Sanger V210 1700+
Old     (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       09-17-2005, 8:00 PM Reply   
Big Ed, I think a pound of lead weighs the same as a pound of water. Archimedes figured out the whole density thing.

The ballast material issues are neutral buoyancy (water), and toxicity (lead). Are there other issues?
Old     (madchild1)      Join Date: Mar 2005       09-18-2005, 6:39 PM Reply   
the reason lead should be usedin moderation is mostly because of the safety issue. if the boat starts to take on water, lead is going to sink your boat but water will simply swamp it.

other things to consider is, if you are done boarding and want to haul booty on the way out, it's going to be hard with another 1200 in lead. but if you have 1200 in sacks, you can just punp it and be on your way.

Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       09-18-2005, 8:25 PM Reply   
2400 in my 2005 X2. Sometimes more.

Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       09-18-2005, 9:48 PM Reply   
1200ish in 99 tige 21I
500-600 in the walkway, 300 or so side sacs ea.
looking into lead or steel... 200-400 lbs to balance and play with setup
Old     (canada_air)      Join Date: Nov 2003       09-18-2005, 10:08 PM Reply   
i presently run 1500lbs plus people. my wake is nice when over 2000lbs i am thinking of getting 500lbs of lead to take me to the 2000mark
Old     (wakinbakin)      Join Date: Sep 2004       09-18-2005, 10:34 PM Reply   
i run 2000-2500lbs in my 2005 supra launch 22ssv
Old     (atlsackedup)      Join Date: Mar 2005       09-19-2005, 8:46 AM Reply   
2055lbs of water in my 2000 MC X-5...wake is nice and steep when over 2000lbs. Anything less than 2000lbs and wake is too small.
Old     (mvda)      Join Date: Dec 2002       09-19-2005, 10:19 AM Reply   
Big Ed is correct! Yeah, I know that a pound of water weighs the same as a pound of lead. However, its always seems that 500 lbs of lead in a wakeboard boat tends weigh 25% - 50% more than 500 lbs of water. Why? It's because when people put lead in the boat they stack in ten 50 pound plates and say 500 lbs. Then, someone with a water bag (whose manufacturer claims it holds 500 lbs) fills it most of the way as its pinned between the rear seat and the engine cover and then says 500 lbs. In reality, that water bag in almost at 400 lbs. So, both Archimedes and Big Ed (obviously the smarter one) are correct.

(Message edited by mvda on September 19, 2005)
Old     (kybool)      Join Date: Aug 2004       09-19-2005, 12:03 PM Reply   
about 2500 lbs. mostly water.
Old     (sjmedic)      Join Date: May 2004       09-19-2005, 1:48 PM Reply   
How much does Hot Air weigh?
Old    lunker            09-19-2005, 2:05 PM Reply   
So far I've been unable to improve the wake on our new 2006 X-30 by adding extra ballast. I've tried 300-700 lbs plus people and never gotten more kick than 2 people with the stock ballast.
Old     (airrantz)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-19-2005, 2:16 PM Reply   
Lunker, put about 2500lbs in the X-30 then you'll notice a difference. 300-700lbs on top of stock won't make the biggest difference in such a large boat.
Old     (buzz_grande)      Join Date: Mar 2004       09-19-2005, 3:53 PM Reply   
05 VLX

1250 MLS

420 lead

Sometimes 2 X 400 lb sacks, but not too often

Sometimes wedge
Old     (airrantz)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-19-2005, 4:14 PM Reply   
1000lbs bow + 500lbs rear in my Sanger V210 = very happy me.
Old     (bigpapaf1f)      Join Date: May 2005       09-19-2005, 4:27 PM Reply   
I my 23V Tige, a 600lbs sac in the nose, and 2 440's in the back. So 1480lbs or close.
Old     (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       09-19-2005, 4:59 PM Reply   
In the X2

2600 lbs total. Triple KGB=900lbs, 500 sac in the nose, 600 sac in the center of the boat, 300 lead in the nose, 150 lead in each back compartment.

If I have more people I wont run the center sack, but any less than 4 and it gets all the sacks. No complaints yet, eh BG???

The old Sanger DLX got 1800lbs. 200 lb lead in the nose, 400 center ballast in ski locker, 400 rear ballast under back seat, 300 rear lead, and a 500 sack across the floor of the boat behind the motor box.

Weighted like that both boats have similar size wakes. They actually had a pretty similar shape, too. I liked that Sanger; man did it ever handle well with all that weight and not a single problem for 500 hours. The nose got a little too low for comfort, though.

And yes, while lbs are lbs I do agree with what ED is saying. The only way to know true ballast with sacks would be to weigh the boat with and without to determine how much weight you actually get out of them, whereas 500lbs of lead is really 500lbs.
Old    lunker            09-19-2005, 8:13 PM Reply   
Ryan, do you know this from experience with an 06 X30? It seems that on our boat the more weight we add the flatter the wake gets.

With stock ballast and only 2 inthe boat the wake is very vertical. Fill the boat with people and it gets flatter.
Old     (hamkj)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-19-2005, 10:16 PM Reply   
2004 Sky Supreme V220 - 2800lbs... automatic... front/rear... everywhere!
Old     (santa)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-20-2005, 12:34 PM Reply   
Mobius LS 2004. Water 400 front and 400 back. I have more bags, but realized I don't need to fill them. The wake is good enough like that.
Old     (eubanks01)      Join Date: Jun 2001       09-20-2005, 1:29 PM Reply   
Buzz...Where do you put your lead and where did you get it?

(Message edited by eubanks01 on September 20, 2005)
Old     (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       09-20-2005, 2:21 PM Reply   
I experienced with both and since going with mostly lead+stock figured there was a pretty BIG differents in wake size and shape,plus you get to place it in the exactly the space you want,it doesn't move around and last and most important...It's ALWAYS THE SAME!
Not to mention that I got all my storage.There is a fat sac I will putt in the walkway from time to time but I think that it's gonna get retired.

Ohh and as for my boat taking on water and the lead taking it down.....OVERBOARD!!!!
Old     (bigpapaf1f)      Join Date: May 2005       09-20-2005, 2:35 PM Reply   
Evan has none from me! His wake is BIIIIGGGGG!!!!

Big Ed I hear you don't play around when it comes to a big wake!
Old     (cbaird)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-21-2005, 8:09 AM Reply   
Big Ed, where do you position your weight. I still haven't found the best distribution for my 05 x2. I run two extra 250 sacs in the rear lockers and 350 in the walkway plus full gas tank (makes huge difference) and 3-4 peeps. You have to drive about 23 and its a sensitive wake meaning if it is a little choppy or the driver drifts off to side it'll tend to get washy, not like the stock where it stays pretty clean. I wonder if there needs to be more up front. It seems like the sweet spot is about 70ft with this weight.
Old     (bigpapaf1f)      Join Date: May 2005       09-21-2005, 8:54 AM Reply   
Chris, Evan has his X2 just right! I have been told that J-rods is good also, and Big Eds is Stupid BIG.(in a good way) So I have been told.
Old     (cbaird)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-21-2005, 10:18 AM Reply   
bg, ed replied on another thread. He suggested moving more weight to the rear instead of up front. It kinda makes sense because whenever I fill the tank to the top it really has a profound effect on the wake size and consistancy.

Evan & J-Rod - do you find it to be true that more weight in the back cleans it up versus the front?
Old     (cbaird)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-21-2005, 10:41 AM Reply   
oops - it wasn't ed that replied on the other thread it joe_788.
Old     (mvda)      Join Date: Dec 2002       09-21-2005, 12:59 PM Reply   
J-Rod's wake has been great every time I've been out with him.
Old     (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       09-23-2005, 5:36 PM Reply   
Chris ~ put more weight up front if you can,it really cleans the wake up!!

ohh and J-Rods wake has been great everytime!
Old     (hamkj)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-23-2005, 9:14 PM Reply   
Chris is running just a hair under 2 tons... in his 2006 Epic 23V... all below floor.... with dash mounted switches and gauges....
Old     (gene3x)      Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallas , TX       09-24-2005, 7:25 AM Reply   
What is the most anyone has put in a Supra 24V ? Anyone had much experience weighting these past stock? What is it like?
Old     (johnbowen)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-24-2005, 8:32 AM Reply   
14 foot aluminum john boat with a 22 HP evinrude outboard

50 pounds of lead, plus as many Old Milwaukees as me and my buds take out with us!!

Whooo HOOOO!!

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