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Old     (steve_jones)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-30-2008, 4:28 PM Reply   
OK - unless you have actually owned the boat or have ridden behind it, don't comment. (Where's Joe Umali with that picture of the can of worms?)

What boats have you owned or ridden behind?
What boat do you currently own?
What was/is your favorite boat, why?
Money no object, what would you own, why?

I've owned 6 Super Airs, 6 MasterCrafts, and 1 Malibu.

I currently own a 2008 X-Star.

My favorite overall boats were 1) the Malibu VLX I owned before this X-Star. Had minor issues with the wedge (which isn't a problem anymore) but it started and ran like a champ....every single time. 2) Any of the SuperAir's. Great wake. Solid engine. No mechanical issues.

Money no object, I would probably own a VLX again or a Nautique 210 or 230. All are great boats.
Old     (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       10-30-2008, 4:38 PM Reply   
We own:

2006 Mastercraft X1

Ridden behind:

07 VLX
03 VLX
08 X Star
07 Supra 24 SSV
05 Supra 22 GG edition
06 Supra 21V
Malibu i Ride
Moomba Mobius LSV (pre-redesign)

My favorite wake out of all those is the X-Star, followed by our X1, but this is partially biased cause the X-Star was from the Boarding School which is dialed and we run a fair amount of weight in our X1. For interior space and best wake for stock ballast, you can't beat the 24SSV and the VLX for a close second.
Old     (gunnertom4593)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-30-2008, 4:38 PM Reply   
Ive ridden behind the tige RZ2, the super air 210, 211, and 230, the xstar, supra 24SSV, Malibu VLX, 247LSV, 23LSV, VLX, VTX, and vride.

I do not own but currently ride behind my friend's 07 tige RZ2.

1. Favorite boat was definitely the Malibu 247 LSV. The wake was so easy to get great pop, either wake to wake or into the flats. wake to wake landings are the smoothest ever! Super rampy but with a nice kick at the end, its obviously huge because the boat is almost 25ft. Chop doesnt seem to affect the wake at all.

2. Second place goes to the supra 24SSV. i rode behind ben greenwood's supra at the wakeboard camp and it was HUGE, nice and rampy, super solid. the only thing that makes the supra less than the malibu are the landings. Supra landings arent as cushy.

Money no object i would own a 247 LSV no competition!
Old     (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       10-30-2008, 4:53 PM Reply   
Ridden behind; (only listing the V-Drives)

X-Star/X2/X1
X2
X-Star - Current
VLX
23 LSV
Super Air 210 - most years
Super Air 230
Supra Launch 22SSV
Moomba LSV
Moomba Mobious
MB 220v/B52
MB 230v/B52-V23
MB F23 Tomcat
MB B-52v Team Widebody
Tige 24ve
Centurion Avalanche
Centurion Enzo 23
Centution Cyclone
Gekko Revo 6.7
Gekko Revo 7.1
Epic 23v

Favorites

1. MB V23 (Maybe replace by B-52v Team Widebody)
2. Super Air 210 (lots of weight)
3. X-Star or X-1 (Lots of weight)
Old     (ncsuuh)      Join Date: Jan 2007       10-30-2008, 4:55 PM Reply   
I have only ridden behind one other type of boat besides a MasterCraft. It is strange.
Ridden behind:
99 X-Star
00 X-Star
01 X-Star
02 X-Star
03 X-Star
07 X-StarSS
01 X-30
02 X-10
02 X-9
00 X-9
06 X-1
92 ProStar 190
85 Nautique 2001

Owned:
00 X-Star
02 X-Star
05 X-45

Favorite: It is too hard to choose. In no particular order:
X-45
02 X-Star
03-07 Xstar
Old     (noles_fan)      Join Date: Mar 2006       10-30-2008, 6:30 PM Reply   
Owned:
2005 210 SANTE (current)
2004 Supra Launch 21 DD

I have ridden behind:
06 220
01 210
87 SN2001
07 X-1
07 X-15
02 Wakesetter DD
04 Supra 21 DD
08 Supra 21V
07 Supra 22SSV
07 Supra 24SSV

Favorite:
210 SANTE
Malibu Wakesetter
220 SANTE
Old     (wakeboardertj)      Join Date: May 2005       10-30-2008, 6:40 PM Reply   
owned : 2005 malibu vride

riden : 2006 supreme
2005 sanger
95 malibu sunsetter
2002 centurion model unknown
1999 direct drive malibu wakesetter
2006 calabria
and a bunch of crappy I/Os

favorite - vride hands down
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       10-30-2008, 7:02 PM Reply   
if I could own any boat it'd be an old style super air 210... 96-06 I think... stock ballast (800?lbs) wake plus 6 guys I loved it, best wake I've ever ridden... 2nd would have to be a SN 2001 loaded down with like 2000lbs, 3rd would prolly be a tossup between supra 22ssv with like 2k, centurian avalanche with like 1700+. 4th would be between an X-1, X-star and Malibu 23 lsv(gerry nunn) and 5th would be my boat, '99 Tige 2100i with any weight is fine for almost all my tricks... I had some good sets with about 1700 lbs in it and a driver... Not a boat conneseur by any means, I take what I can get
Old     (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-30-2008, 10:40 PM Reply   
own 98' tige pre2200v

favorite wakes newer xstar, newer vlx, 08 san 210, and supra 24ssv
Old     (dansmith)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-31-2008, 3:11 AM Reply   
Owned:

2006 MB B52 V23 TE
2002 Supra Launch SSV

Ridden behind:
'07 X1/ '04 X2
'03, '05 SAN 210
'06 SAN 220
'04 23LSV
'06 Centurion Avalanche
'06 MB Tomcat 23

Favorite Wakes:
X1/X2 (weighted as my friends had it)
My current boat w/ an extra 400lbs

I hope to ride behind a new X-Star a new 23 LSV soon.
Old     (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       10-31-2008, 4:28 AM Reply   
never owned a boat, but i've been known to ride a few boats here and there.

of all the boats i've ridden behind, here are my faves:

san 210 (old and new) - my favorite 'cause of the sick wake
vlx (old and new)
x-star (old (x-1/x-2) and new)

honorable mention: sanger v210


if money was no object, i'd get a san 210. my family loves the boat, it's an established company that will be around for a long time, puts out a sick wake and the interior is sick and doesn't look cheap.
Old     (eyedvride)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-31-2008, 6:34 AM Reply   
Funny, I think wake shape and firmness can be tweaked to be decent on most of the above boats. I would say my favorite would be the one that holds the most consistent speed HS and TS. I have ridden the exact same hull design and a slight misplacement of the paddle wheel for perfect pass will make a huge difference.

So favorite boat is the one with a clean lip, good boot, and a consistent pull. Don't care what make.
Old     (salsajs3030)      Join Date: Aug 2008       10-31-2008, 7:18 AM Reply   
Ridden Behind:
A lot of direct drive SN's
A lot of Prostar driect drive MC's.
2001 AN
2000 Xstar
2004,2005,2006,2007 SAN 210 (loved all of them, super booty wake, can't beat it)
2007 Xstar (not impressed)
2008 X-2 (not impressed)
2004 VLX (like it)
2007 VTX (nice boat, good with a lot of weight)


If money was no object: 2008 SAN 230 (never would buy a 220), or the BU 247 LSV.
Since $$ is an issue going with a 07 Bu Vride.
Old     (highrock)      Join Date: Apr 2008       10-31-2008, 7:27 AM Reply   
I am on my 4th wake boat. Have owned a 2000 Mobius LS (Basically a Ski boat), 2000 Tige 21v (Big Step up but no ballast), 2008 Tige Z1 (Very Nice wake and boat for the money), and just traded in on a 2008 Super Air 210 (Love everything about the boat).

I have rode behind:
All those listed above
2008 Tige RZ4(2,000 Lbs.) Wide Wake, but nice
2008 Tige 22Ve(3,000 Lbs.) Thought the boat lists over alot
2001 Tige 22i (Best wake ever in a DD)
2007 Supra 24SSV (Rode to fast at a competition to tell)
2004 Supra 22SSV (Hated it, little weight though)
2007 Malibu VLX (Huge Wake, Very Nice)
2007 Malibu VTX (Nice Wake, little smaller then VLX)
2004 Malibu 23LSV (Huge Wake, 4000 lbs in the boat)
2002 Super Air 210 (Awesome wake with much less weight)
2004 Super Air 226 (Nice but a little soft)
2005 Nautique SV-211 (Great crossover boat)
1995 Ski Nautique (learning to wakeboard)
2007 Centurion Air Warrior (Nice wake, much like the Tige's)

My favorite wakes out of all of them would have to be the Nautiques, best being my new 210 because you can change it from steep to rampy with the gate even with 3000 lbs in the boat. Next up would have to be the Malibu 23LSV I get to ride it all the time in the summer.

If I could have any boat I would still keep my Nautique. Malibu makes a nice boat and Tige is top quality. The Super Air just fits what I want/do better. Money is an issue and its tight making the payment on it though.

For the money, if I was getting some used it would either be a Malibu VLX/LSV or older Super Air 210.
Old     (steve_jones)      Join Date: Jun 2006       10-31-2008, 8:22 AM Reply   
Wow guys. This is great. Nice to hear all of the feedback. Sounds like a legit boat review so far.
Old     (showmedonttellme)      Join Date: Mar 2008       10-31-2008, 8:32 AM Reply   
Ridden lots, liked some, others not so much. Hands down best wake ever was the 07' Hyperlite X-Star with ~4k ballast. So BIG (tall and wide I mean) you got soooo much pop and a nice long landing ramp. Awesome, made it effortless. Jumping wake-to-wake was never so much fun. Love my boat 03' X-2 and Love "Bucky", Uncle Jessie's wall of water.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       10-31-2008, 9:12 AM Reply   
Owned - Nautique 210 -- Hydrodyne Legacy

Been Behind:
Nautique 210 - Awesome wake, rock hard, little weight needed
X-star - big wake, good shape to go flats, awesome look
24ssv - monster wake, took forever to plane, had 8.1 so it sucked gas
23LSV - nice wake shape but soft
Moomba XLV - nice wake, roooooomy boat
X-1 -- with stock ballast = uggg, lots of weight nice wake, small boat though
Epic - Like the most perfectly beautiful women, who is nice, funny, rich, and lets you do what you want without getting yelled. -- WAKE MACHINE



Money not an object = Epic
Money an Object = Used SAN(less weight less gas) or Moomba XLV
Least favorite = Malibu's VLX/LSV - wake just not for me, not that its bad, just not for me.
Old     (marcia)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-31-2008, 8:04 PM Reply   
Owned:
1984 Malibu Skier
1986? (I think) Malibu Skier
1989?(I think) Malibu Sunsetter
1991 Tige 2002fslm
Centurion Warrior
Centurion Elite Vdrive
2002? Centurion Avalanche
2006 Tige 22ve

We like the Tige the best over all for Slalom (husband likes to Slalom),wakeboarding (kids like to wakeboard),& surfing (kids and friends like to surf), & I enjoy a cocktail and relaxing
Old     (jon_a)      Join Date: Feb 2003       10-31-2008, 9:37 PM Reply   
Ridden behind:

MC X-star
MC X1
MC X2
MC X46
MC x10
CC 210 (old style)
CC 220
CC 210 (new style)
06 Bu VLX
06 Bu 23LSV
Tige RZ2
Tige RZ4
Tige 20V
Centurion Avalanche
Moomba Outback
Moomba Outback V
Moomba Mobius LS
Moomba Mobius LSV
Moomba Mobius XLV
Supra Launch 20
Supra Launch 20 SSV
Supra Launch 21V
Supra Launch 22SSV
Supra Launch 24SSV


I currently choose the Supra 22SSV because it has my favorite wake even with stock ballast and a good size boat, not too big, not too small.

Supra 22SSV is my favorite for wakeboarding. Tie between Supra 20SSV and Moomba Mobius LSV for wakeskating. Supra 24SSV for surfing.
Old     (scwellman)      Join Date: Nov 2006       10-31-2008, 9:40 PM Reply   
Sanger V215
Mastercraft X15
Old     (majestic)      Join Date: May 2008       10-31-2008, 9:55 PM Reply   
Currently own: 08 Tige 22ve

Ridden in or behind:

Supra 21v
Moomba LSV
X-star
X-2
X-15
X-45
Centurion Enzo
Malibu 23LSV
Malibu VLX
Tige 24ve
Tige RZ2
Tige RZ4
Tige Z1

I enjoy all of these boats but would love to try Nautique in the future and Yes I do Like their new tower.

I am hooked on Tige right now it allows us to do it all as a growing family We slalom, Wakeboard, Wakeskate and surf with the touch of a button and newly acquired Ballast.(For surfing only)
Old     (soonerwake85)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-03-2008, 7:48 AM Reply   
First and only boat I currently own:
2000 Tige 21v

Ridden:

06 X2
05 Supra 22ssv
04 SAN 230
02 SAN 210
04 Malibu vlx
06 Malibu vlx
01 MC Prostar
07 SAN 220
08 SAN 220
07 MC Xstar
08 MC Xstar

Probably a tie between the supra 22ssv and the X2. Both were nice and rampy with lots of pop.

Looking to get into a new boat for next season. Need to demo around to get a better idea. Really want to ride one of the new Tige RZ's.
Old     (wakeboardsam)      Join Date: Jun 2008       11-03-2008, 7:57 AM Reply   
Interesting, I didn't know there was an '04 SAN 230...
Old     (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       11-03-2008, 10:09 AM Reply   
I've ridden behind almost everything...

X-star with a 8.1 is my favorite boat of all time.

I also really like Sanger 215's, X1's, and the bigger Supra's. The original SAN is fun, too.
Old     (shredder_girl)      Join Date: Sep 2008       11-03-2008, 1:07 PM Reply   
Ryan,

You definitely need to get out in an RZ2 and ride behind it. I have an 07 and the wake is sick. I demoed an 09 a while back and that is definitely going to be my next boat.
Old     (soonerwake85)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-03-2008, 1:15 PM Reply   
Yeah, my fault. It was an 04 226, not 230
Old     (drknute3)      Join Date: Sep 2008       11-03-2008, 1:19 PM Reply   
I have only ridden behind a Cobalt 206. I would probably decline an offer to ride behind a wake specific boat, because I could afford EITHER a new X star, OR a divorce attorney, but not both.
Old     (marcia)      Join Date: Sep 2008       11-03-2008, 1:47 PM Reply   
Ryan - The Tige RZ's are the way to go for 09! Graphics, interiors, dashes, and towers are awesomeI'm ready to trade in our 22ve!
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-03-2008, 7:38 PM Reply   
I own:
Sanger V210

Have ridden:
85 & 88 CC SN2001
05 & 06 CC SAN210
08 CC SAN210
06 CC SAN211
06 & 07 CC SAN220

05 MC X2
07 MC X2
05 MC X-star

92 BU Euro
00 BU LXI
03 BU Sunsetter VLX
05 & 07 BU VLX

07 Supra 21V
08 Supra 22SSV

03 & 04 Tige 20V

Favourite wake of all time? 05+ VLX slammed with a butt load of weight. Perfect shape & narly huge. Perfect boat for me? I love the V210, easy to tow, easy to weight, easy to drive & cheap to run. Build quality like an old school nautique, ie Bullet proof. Wake is a little on the steep side when really loaded down but still very ridable.
Old     (parkgirl)      Join Date: Nov 2001       11-04-2008, 8:57 AM Reply   
Hey Steve, how are you?!

Let's see, like Evan, I have ridden behind almost everything, weighted well.

We currently own an '06 V215, our best buddy owns a VLX and many friends own MC's (xstars, X1's and an X15). Of all the different wake shapes my sanger and the vlx are the top followed by the xstar.

If money was no object I would still go with my V215 exactly as it is now with less hours...then either a VLX or Xstar fully loaded.
Old     (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-04-2008, 9:04 AM Reply   
ridden behind just about every make model of wakeboat but if i had to pick just one i'd go with the VLX (the new '09 v-ride).

after that i'd have to go with Andrea's sanger even tho i've never ridden behind it. hhahaha. everyone who rides behind their exact boat gets back in the boat with nothing but smiles...
Old     (parkgirl)      Join Date: Nov 2001       11-04-2008, 9:12 AM Reply   
Thanks JR...thats nice to hear.

I can't believe I was such a jerk and didn't drag you out on it atleast once this summer.

If the weather is nice, we are thinking of maybe riding on Saturday, you wanna go if we go?
Old     (salsajs3030)      Join Date: Aug 2008       11-04-2008, 9:20 AM Reply   
DARREN AND JR
You hear people talk about the 05+ VLX (09 VRide)hulls and how great they are, but you never hear them include which wedge type they like and I think that's equally important for this discussion:
...which one do you guys prefer?
1. Manual Wedge
2. Power Wedge
3. or NO Wedge at all
Old     (parkgirl)      Join Date: Nov 2001       11-04-2008, 9:31 AM Reply   
Justin, IMO:

I personally like the manual wedge all the way down on the 05 the best.

Was initially surprised by how different the power wedge was, but now love it at only one click up from all the way down.
Old     (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-04-2008, 9:32 AM Reply   
that's a possibility. i'll email you this week and see whats up.
Old    stillstandin            11-04-2008, 9:43 AM Reply   
I have ridden behind

Sanger V215 (own)
04 X-Star
two seperate CC210's (least favorite boat of all)
07 Centurion Avalanch
07 Malibu VLX
Direct drive older Supra Launch (best direct drive)
03 Supreme 220 ( my first boat)
02 Mastercraft X5

Im sure there are more, but I cant think of them at the moment

I think I have a three way tie for my favorite. The V215 (mine), the X-Star, and the VLX.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-04-2008, 10:36 AM Reply   
Justin, no wedge for me.
Old     (xsmini)      Join Date: Dec 2005       11-04-2008, 10:52 AM Reply   
I would like to ride behind a 247 24/7
Old     (jujube)      Join Date: Aug 2008       11-04-2008, 5:41 PM Reply   
Justin -
No wedge for me either...it messes up the wake, the plane and definitely the ride...
Old     (okie_rider)      Join Date: Nov 2008       11-05-2008, 1:22 PM Reply   
Ryan,
I'd recommend you checking out the Tige dealer in Stillwater. I visited them earlier this year and they had some awesome Tige's in stock. I'm still saving for a down payment for my next boat which will be a Z1 or RZ2. here's their link.
http://www.h2osportsunlimited.com/
Old     (davomaddo)      Join Date: Feb 2003       11-05-2008, 1:48 PM Reply   
MC X-80 with twin engines and 10,000 lbs of ballast.

I have never ridden behind it, but I am guessing it would be my favorite (as long as I wasn't paying for the gas bill).
Old     (hump44)      Join Date: Aug 2008       11-11-2008, 11:53 AM Reply   
The sanger V215 Has the best stock wake of all 21 ft boats, dont believe me, just go ride behind 1! It handles the best,and still throws a sik surf wake, w 1000lbs a ballast, And most of all, the boat rides like butter,even in heavy chop,try that w a flat bottom Malibu, or supra, you will be so sore you cant ride....Sanger has a true V-bottom boat that can still make a BA wake....
Old     (phenom_1819)      Join Date: Jan 2008       11-11-2008, 1:28 PM Reply   
Amazing. This thread went for so long without any bashing. And then that last one.

(Message edited by phenom_1819 on November 11, 2008)
Old     (westsiderippa)      Join Date: Dec 2006       11-11-2008, 11:42 PM Reply   
wow im with you cal.

my vlx, bc3, scott and andrea's v215, vlxenvy's well vlx, my friend's 04 sante, mechanic mikes 205 xstar, nicks 215 when he lets me slam it, lol. and many others

but its not as much the boat as it is the way its weighted. you can take 2 boats same year and all and weight them differently and you will have different wakes. does that make any sense?
Old     (yager97)      Join Date: Feb 2007       11-12-2008, 10:24 AM Reply   
I thoroughly enjoy riding behind my 03 mobius LSV. I think any boat will throw a great wake, its just a matter of finding the right line length and speed. I've ridden behind a 2002 210, an earler year malibu wakesetter (d-drive), and a ton of i/o's and even outboards. Any inboard is a treat to ride behind.
Old     (snacks)      Join Date: Oct 2008       11-13-2008, 8:55 AM Reply   
Epic or Malibu

Epic gives you everything you need, music, power, control and best of all 4000lbs of stock ballast. You can control it with the shape plate for how you like to ride, or the trick you're GOING to pull off.

Malibu is just right for anything also, just doesn't come stock with the same power and ballast.
Old     (fullspeed)      Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Santa Cruz County CA       11-13-2008, 12:28 PM Reply   
I have owned 3 boats.

92 Falcon Centurion
02 VLX
06 VLX

Been behind tons of different boats.

My favorite wake fully wieghted down is the Super Air 210. Huge, solid wake and the perfect width.

Over all Wake and Boat, I would have to be for me the VLX. Tons of room for friends and the wake is sweet even without all the added weight.

Never been behind a Malibu LSV 247. I like the room it has.

Next boat hopefully will be a 2010 VLX or LSV.
Old     (hump44)      Join Date: Aug 2008       11-13-2008, 12:45 PM Reply   
If my post hurt your feelings....Im sorry. Just stating the the facts and feedback from brand X and brand xx owners that I have talk to for the last 5 yrs or so, and they love there Sangers. Again, Was not bashing any 1, Have a blessed day.
Old     (steve_jones)      Join Date: Jun 2006       11-19-2008, 9:00 AM Reply   
Andrea, all is well. Hope you and Scott are still riding!

Yeah Cal, can't believe only 1 negative post in this whole thing. Also, can't forget about Sanger and Epic. I haven't owned them, but the 215 is a sweet ride and the 23V is beefy.

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