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Old     (johndk)      Join Date: Aug 2008       10-08-2009, 2:55 PM Reply   
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218927/Plumber-shattered-arm-left-horrifically-bent-shape-operation-cancelled-times.html

Speechless...
Old     (malibuboats4)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-08-2009, 7:56 PM Reply   
perfect! just what we need!
Old     (cold_ukrider)      Join Date: Aug 2009       10-09-2009, 4:13 AM Reply   
Guys you shouldn't knock the NHS service we have, this is one bad story compared with the huge amount of people who are helped everyday by the NHS. They have always been great to me when ever i have hurt myself boarding so please don't knock the good work they do.
Old     (johndk)      Join Date: Aug 2008       10-09-2009, 7:41 AM Reply   
One really really really really really bad story! It is beyond bizarre, and sad.
Old     (cold_ukrider)      Join Date: Aug 2009       10-09-2009, 8:17 AM Reply   
John, how many times have i seen links on this site for help to raise funds for medical bills for people hurt boarding in the states, while in the Uk we get that treatment for free. yes it may not be perfect but at least we have a system that doesn't just look after those with money. It is a sad story but when it comes down to treatment of boarding injuries i know which country i would rather be in.
Old     (wakeandsnow27)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-09-2009, 8:23 AM Reply   
what is this built up bitterness? relax man...
No one is knocking the NHS service, they just posted a link. No one, besides you, has even mentioned the origin of country.

again....RELAX.

(Message edited by wakeandsnow27 on October 09, 2009)
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       10-09-2009, 8:28 AM Reply   
After reading that, I would much, much, much rather be here. Here they will fix you first and bill you later(if you don't have insurance).

"In case anyone's interested in clinical facts rather than ignorant ranting about 'socialized' medicine, smoking is a well-recognised factor in slowing bone healing. If this man prioritizes his over his arm & there is someone else willing to give up smoking to increase the chance of a successful end result that is his choice"

Thats a scary statement/reality. They won't fix you unless you do as your told! They will ration the time and effort on someone else.
Old     (cadunkle)      Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NJ       10-09-2009, 8:45 AM Reply   
cold, it's not free. Look at all the direct and indirect taxes in the UK. Socialism is expensive and oppressive. You end up with far less freedom, much higher taxes, and the services sector declines in quality and quantity the more government messes with it.

A free market solution is much better. Now US health care got screwed up a few decades ago when big government got their hands in healthcare as well as medical insurance. They need to back off if the US healthcare system is to improve.

As for not getting care or being uninsured... I was uninsured for a while. No big deal. I'm young and healthy and couldn't justify the cost of insurance especially after lsoing my job and being unemployed for 6 months. I never collected from the socialist unemployment taxes I pay because I'm a responsible person and save for when times may be tough. While uninsured I took care to reduce my risk of injury, by not riding dirt bikes or other things that put me at a higher risk.

For the past couple years I've only had major medical coverage. I pretty much don't go to doctors unless I'm unconscious and wake up there. Hospitols are unpleasant and only necessary for broken bones, extrme burns, or other major health issues. Last time I saw a doctor was last year when I dropped my bike on the highway, before that was over 10 years prior when I had my appendix taken out.

Problems arise from healthcare being perceived as "free". Then people go in for anything and everything, and they clog up emergency rooms as well. Then you get socialist governments limiting doctors pay and charges for operations, so doctors go into other areas of practice with less restrictions, or go into another field altogether. Then government mandates minimum coverages of insurance, driving cost up for all. Those like myself who are young and healthy don't need extensive coverage for general bodily failures from being old or just bad genes.

Sorry, but healthcare is NOT a right. It is a commodity with prices to be set by what people are willing to pay, just like any other service. In America your rights boil down to the right to succeed or fail on your own.

Sorry folks if that's too political for here, but this thread was headed there fast. Perhaps should be in the OT section.
Old     (jrich)      Join Date: Oct 2009       10-09-2009, 10:01 AM Reply   
Why go to work everyday when the government will just give you everything you need? they think the unemployment rate is bad now......just wait a few more years.
Old     (skull)      Join Date: May 2002       10-09-2009, 10:34 AM Reply   
I'd rather pay for my own healthcare then get the sub-par healthcare people get in the UK.... I think this guy would agree.

"Free" is not free... people with money pay for people that don't have money in the UK.
Old     (wakeandsnow27)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-09-2009, 10:48 AM Reply   
as margaret thatcher said :
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money

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