Well I'm not dead set on another malibu cause I don't like the way they do there built in ballast except on the bran new boats and I don't have the $$$$ to throw down on a new boat or even a 04 lsv. So I am considering older boats that have similar ballast to the new Malibu's. I am of the school that any boat can have a great wake with enough weight in it. So the playpen ballast of the mobius v is really atractive to me. I just don't know anybody with that boat or talked to anyone yet who ownes it. I have talked to some people who own the lsv but that boat doesn't have the playpen ballest and when I sit in that boat I feel like I am sitting on the ground. The Mobius V has 2 inch higher seats in it. So just lookin for some opinon on the matter.