TRUMP for Prez

If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Oh, and the cops and military too. Trying to outlaw anything people want is always a failure. Booze, weed, coke, etc... As soon as it's illegal the price goes up and there are plenty of people willing to take the risks involved to make that money.

Originally Posted by grant_west

^^^^The crazy stuff I post here on W/W. LOL that's a good one! You mean like all the grammar and spelling errors I'm guilty of. LOL your Funny keep posting I like the crazy stuff you post.

Ha, I'm glad you took that in good humor! My point being just because someone complains about you to the FBI doesn't mean you should have your constitutional rights suspended. If that were the case, Obama should've taken the Bundy family's guns away a long time ago.

Originally Posted by bigdtx

If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Oh, and the cops and military too. Trying to outlaw anything people want is always a failure. Booze, weed, coke, etc... As soon as it's illegal the price goes up and there are plenty of people willing to take the risks involved to make that money.

prostitution, murder, burglary, rape, incest, etc etc. It's illegal and it still happens! Therefore the laws are broken!

"I think the AR15 is a great home defense weapon. If a shotgun was soo much better don't you think soldiers and swat would be clearing homes with them instead of the AR15's or other SMG's."

Not quite the same as home defense. I also am not for banning. I just think there should be a few more hoops to jump through than buying a bolt action hunting rifle. As grant mentioned, you can get on Armslist and go buy about any kind of gun from a private individual no questions asked.

Wake you like to research stats?

Reasearch this do Democrat / Libral run city's have more gun violance then Republican / consertive citys ? Let us all know what your research comes up with!

Originally Posted by ralph

No reason at all! Like I said, in a few weeks this will blow over and you guys can resume killing each other at a rate of 35 per day.

The 35 a day are usually gang related in democrat ran cities with "tough" gun laws.

Originally Posted by ralph

Just looking at some numbers, the murder rate for the US is 4x other similar societies, where the gun homicide rate is 10x. So it seems to be a combination of not liking each other and ready access to guns. Lots of work to do I guess.

Again, gang related and mostly democrat cities.

And BTW wake I don't expect a response or reply from you. Only a insult or derversion of the question. Your never here to admit your party's short comings your only here to be a "Community Organizer" aka $hit stir troll.

Bottom line. You can not suspend one's rights for sounding dangerous.

This type of attack is going to continue. Just read your history books people. We have people who want the US to be a socialist/ communist nation and to have one world workers party. Part of the way you achieve that is to try and destabilize society. Nothing is more destablizing than bringing in hundreds of thousands of people who are absolutely not able to live by the rules of the society in which they are placed. Also, use them to put a drain on the middle class and create more and more poor people. This is done to make people willingly give up their rights for economic and social safety. They want the people to turn to the government for all aspects of their lives.

It is the only explanation for the leftist in this country and europe to be bring in people like this. There is no other reason.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

It is the only explanation for the leftist in this country and europe to be bring in people like this. There is no other reason.

This is an interesting line of reasoning. I was just a pre-schooler... how were these concerns addressed when the Vietnamese boat people were resettled here after the fall of South Viet Nam?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b053d433064c87

Nice response from Chick fil a's local franchise.

You can always count on Delta to bring in the most unhinged tin hat theories. The shooter here was not "brought in" and there is no evidence that he's a liberal trying to accomplishment anything in particular. Or even more bizarre your suggestion that liberals are trying to invite mass murderers into the country to accomplish their goals.

"It is the only explanation for the leftist in this country and europe to be bring in people like this. There is no other reason."

It's amazing how you are able to ferret out and promote the most unlikely ridiculous claims, yet unable to understand the concept of compassion by liberals towards war victims fleeing their country. You even seem unlikely to be able to understand the Constitutional principles that guide our laws and prevent singling citizens out by religion and putting restrictions on them.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

This type of attack is going to continue. Just read your history books people.

This guy was a citizen who was born here, not a destabilizing immigrant who didn't know how American culture/society works. Many many many children of immigrants have been wildly successful in America. How do you know which natural born citizen of immigrant parents is going to be the next governor of your state and which one is going to be the next shooting rampager?

Hate-filled pastor says Orlando is safer now. Asshat still gets his tax exemption...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hem-didnt-die/

Well John and Shawn,

It is not a tin foil hat idea what so ever. Study history. Study what the Socialist Party and Communist Party USA's goals are. Study Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and get back to me. The guy's (a registered democrat btw) father is a open Taliban supporter and his parents are not citizens. Apparently he did not understand how our society works because he finally lost his mind when he saw to gay guys kissing in front of his family. He also had contact at one point with a guy who blew himself up in a suicide mission in Syria. That is why he was questioned one time by the FBI.

Bring in a few 100,000 people with completely backwards ideology of tossing gays off roof tops and have a religion that tells them to murder non believers, you are bound to have a few thousand that will become unhinged. They found another guy on his way to California with weapons heading to a gay pride event this weekend too. How many new muslim refugees are in the country? We killed two on the way to the draw muhammed contest in Texas. The shooters in Clifornia. The muslim on the military base a few years ago. Boston Marathon. 9/11. So we have had how many mass casualty events from the first generation children of or direct middle east immigrants in the last few years? Self proclaimed ideology driven events. Not mental issues but I do this in the name of allah mass casualty events? Hate to tell you, but you are drinking some serious koolaid.

What about Europe? Rape is a serious epidemic in Europe now. How many terror attacks over there by what group? Give you a guess?

Tell me this. Why are you so hot to trot to not see who we are letting into the country? Why are you not for closing the boarders and following immigration law? Of all the muslims in the world, why those from a region that absolutely oppresses people especially women?

And John, Bringing in immigrants from Syria is not a constitutional issue. They are not citizens and would not be here to even have a constitutional issue with if the president was not trying to destabilize the country.

Why is it that yet another muslim shoots up a place, the liberals try and push more gun control and not say radical islam? You would attack a christian for even looking cross eyed.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

This is an interesting line of reasoning. I was just a pre-schooler... how were these concerns addressed when the Vietnamese boat people were resettled here after the fall of South Viet Nam?

Don't know. The world did not have a history of fighting Vietnamese. We and the French were allies of them in the south Vietnam. Europe has a few thousand years of history in fighting Muslims and their ideology is on full display with images out of the middle east on a near daily basis. You have many survivor stories about what they do to women and gays. Heck it is the woman's fault if she is raped and will be sent to prison for that (and just was).

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

Well John and Shawn,

You can add me in too, I generally like your reasoning even if I don't agree but I definitely think your tinfoil hat is too tight on this one.

I struggle to grasp how a rational person can think the current state of affairs is part of someone's hidden plan.

Why is it that yet another muslim shoots up a place, the liberals try and push more gun control and not say radical islam?

Starting to become pretty clear that "radical islam" was not the reason this guy flipped. Everything can't be distilled down to a couple of words on a bumper sticker.

It is absolutely not a hidden plan. It is well documented in every progressive website. These are written goals. It has been done on many occasions from 1900 to now in many countries. Our president started his campaign in the freaking home of one of these radicals that has this very idea. We have signed or tried to sign a few treaties that are designed to move our wealth out of the country. Our president and many of the richest democrats in the world speak fondly of globalism and one world government.

You think policies of gun control, wealth limiting, and destruction of religion are new tactics? These are tried, true, well documented ways to centralize power. Pick up a history book.

Why do you think that the president is not talking about radical islam and has instead came right out and is trying to push more gun control instead? Even though the guy has a Taliban supporting father and called the police to pledge to ISIS. Why is the president so hell bent on bringing in people who are from countries where the state laws ask for the death penalty for being gay? Why did the president call for June to be Gay Pride Month out of no where especially when he knows this is the month of Ramadan in Islam? He knew that was going to get a few radicals out and shooting gays.

Originally Posted by grant_west

And BTW wake I don't expect a response or reply from you. Only a insult or derversion of the question. Your never here to admit your party's short comings your only here to be a "Community Organizer" aka $hit stir troll.

Screw you, Grant. Just because I don't buy the right-wing, chicken little, "The sky's falling" BS, doesn't make me a "$hit stir troll". You don't have enough intelligence in your feeble mind to understand that both parties are to blame for the short-comings of this country, as well as the people of this country that buy party rhetoric, hook-line-and-sinker (AKA, YOU, dumbass). Congress currently has about a 10 percent approval rating, yet over 90% of them were reelected last election. Guys like you that think if you vote GOP, all will be well. This country was on the brink of financial collapse under Bush, yet you try to convince me that things are worse now?

As far as the "statistic" you posted is concerned, please explain how a Republican mayor would make things better.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

It is absolutely not a hidden plan. It is well documented in every progressive website. These are written goals. It has been done on many occasions from 1900 to now in many countries. Our president started his campaign in the freaking home of one of these radicals that has this very idea. We have signed or tried to sign a few treaties that are designed to move our wealth out of the country. Our president and many of the richest democrats in the world speak fondly of globalism and one world government.

You think policies of gun control, wealth limiting, and destruction of religion are new tactics? These are tried, true, well documented ways to centralize power. Pick up a history book.

Why do you think that the president is not talking about radical islam and has instead came right out and is trying to push more gun control instead? Even though the guy has a Taliban supporting father and called the police to pledge to ISIS. Why is the president so hell bent on bringing in people who are from countries where the state laws ask for the death penalty for being gay? Why did the president call for June to be Gay Pride Month out of no where especially when he knows this is the month of Ramadan in Islam? He knew that was going to get a few radicals out and shooting gays.

You are sick in the head.

Wow. Ok, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I just don't believe this type of conspiracy theory, I see no difference between this type of thinking and chem trails, faked moon landing etc.

Originally Posted by wake77

Screw you, Grant.

Originally Posted by wake77

You are sick in the head.

Mate, hurling insults weakens your argument, take the high rd.

WakeTroll77; thank you for proving my point. First come the Insults, Followed up buy Derversion. And the you end with Asking a Question. LOL text book debate tactic! (Change the subject and ask a question! )You might think delta is wearing a tinfoil hat but your chugging the cool aid.

Keep on Trolling!

Ram

Originally Posted by ralph

Mate, hurling insults weakens your argument, take the high rd.

He's never had an argument. He's a combination of a parrot and a paper tiger. Always has been, always will be. Never an original thought.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

This is an interesting line of reasoning. I was just a pre-schooler... how were these concerns addressed when the Vietnamese boat people were resettled here after the fall of South Viet Nam?

Well, first off, the Vietnamese didn't worship a false prophet that demanded death to all that didn't believe in said prophet and his teachings. The Vietnamese boat people were humble, respectful and pitied by our country for good reason. They were a great example of who political asylum was made for. Additionally, they did their best to assimilate to our culture, not try to create a new one or force the rest of the country to cowtow to their culture like other immigrants in this country have been doing.

Originally Posted by markj

He's never had an argument. He's a combination of a parrot and a paper tiger. Always has been, always will be. Never an original thought.

I never had "an original thought"? You come here and regurgitate campaign talking points and what you hear on talk radio verbatim. What "original thought" have you brought to this conversation?

Originally Posted by grant_west

WakeTroll77; thank you for proving my point. First come the Insults, Followed up buy Derversion. And the you end with Asking a Question. LOL text book debate tactic! (Change the subject and ask a question! )You might think delta is wearing a tinfoil hat but your chugging the cool aid.

Keep on Trolling!

Ram

Dude, no one, I mean no one trolls more than you. Personally, I think you are about 12 years old because there is no way in hell a grown adult that has at least an 8th grade education could spell as bad as you.

You asked me a question, I asked you. Please explain how Chicago having a republican mayor would make it a safer place.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

And John, Bringing in immigrants from Syria is not a constitutional issue. They are not citizens and would not be here to even have a constitutional issue with if the president was not trying to destabilize the country.

It's not a Constitutional issue. It's a issue of compassion. The Constitution issue is the suggestion that Muslims in America should be treated differently because of their religion.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

Why is it that yet another muslim shoots up a place, the liberals try and push more gun control and not say radical islam? You would attack a christian for even looking cross eyed.

Probably because saying "Radical Islam" does not solve any known problems. Just for once I'd like to see the people complaining about not saying "Radical Islam" tell us exactly what they think is going to happen when it's said. People who think a President should be "PC" already know the answer to that question.

Originally Posted by wake77

I never had "an original thought"? You come here and regurgitate campaign talking points and what you hear on talk radio verbatim. What "original thought" have you brought to this conversation?

I listen to Alt Nation and reggae so you just shot yourself in the foot on that one and my most recent original thought was mentioned within the last 48 hours when I talked about the irony of one of obama's constituencies killing another. Now, be a good little parrot and get back in your cage.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

They found another guy on his way to California with weapons heading to a gay pride event this weekend too. How many new muslim refugees are in the country?

Are you referring to that pesky Muslim James Wesley Howell?

Wakes insults & typical discussion style shadows the BLM & Hillary/Bernie supporter/ Trump protester. It's "their way" OR STFU. Delta had brought up some points and topics and even Tactics well know Libs tech there followers. Many might not know about these Tactics & Therorys if they had never exposed them self to them.

Part of the education process is to expose ones self to both sides of the subject. Taking in ideas you Might not find comfortable. You can't call yourself a educated person if you only study one side of the debate, but that's what seems to be going on here and on the streets. I have had some great discussions with people that I totally disagree with on social/ political issues. In fact on lots of issues I was saw sides of the argument that made me either switch my stance or have more compassion/understanding of the other side.

This was done threw discussion that was not attached to pride and emotion. I have no problem with people having completely different views & a completely different stance and I have 100% respect for thoes people that can communicate with out insults and can even invoke change threw showing a different side of the argument and opening minds.

Originally Posted by markj

I listen to Alt Nation and reggae so you just shot yourself in the foot on that one and my most recent original thought was mentioned within the last 48 hours when I talked about the irony of one of obama's constituencies killing another. Now, be a good little parrot and get back in your cage.

Someone needs to hide sharp objects from you on election night. As delusional as you are, you may feel suicide is the only solution when Hillary wins the election. Again, the GOP are masters at giving Democrats the keys to the WH the past couple of elections. Selecting Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate doomed the GOP in 2008. A lackluster group of candidates doomed the GOP in 2012. Donald Trump has doomed the GOP for 2016.

Your "original thought" is something that has been floated around since he was inaugurated. Is there anything else you would like to share or are you going to pawn off another idea as your own?

Originally Posted by grant_west

Wakes insults & typical discussion style shadows the BLM & Hillary/Bernie supporter/ Trump protester. It's "their way" OR STFU. Delta had brought up some points and topics and even Tactics well know Libs tech there followers. Many might not know about these Tactics & Therorys if they had never exposed them self to them.

Part of the education process is to expose ones self to both sides of the subject. Taking in ideas you Might not find comfortable. You can't call yourself a educated person if you only study one side of the debate, but that's what seems to be going on here and on the streets. I have had some great discussions with people that I totally disagree with on social/ political issues. In fact on lots of issues I was saw sides of the argument that made me either switch my stance or have more compassion/understanding of the other side.

This was done threw discussion that was not attached to pride and emotion. I have no problem with people having completely different views & a completely different stance and I have 100% respect for thoes people that can communicate with out insults and can even invoke change threw showing a different side of the argument and opening minds.

You started it pal, calling me a "troll". Yet, I'm the one hurling insults? Please.

I'm still waiting for your explanation to how a Republican mayor makes Chicago a safer city. Now that you have given us your political friendship history, can you answer that question?

"Breaker 19, Breaker 19' I'd like to say Hilary may not be a sure thing yet. Trump's comments regarding the shooting are logical. We stop allowing people in until the agencies can figure out a way to ensure their proper documentation. What's wrong with that because what's in place now is certainly not working? He is also is gaining support among the LGBT community. Disarming Americans is not the solution and wanting tighter controls on immigration is not un-American.

BTW Jeremy calling you a Troll is not a Insult, And either is pointing out my bad spelling because both are TRUE.

Interesting stats. Obama did better among white voters than Repubs thought, which potentially opens a route for Trump:




http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/up...=politics&_r=0

"Mr. Trump’s big advantage among white working-class voters hasn’t translated to a much stronger position in national polls. That’s because he is underperforming Mr. Romney’s 2012 results among white voters with a college degree and nonwhite voters, often by a far greater amount than he’s gaining among working-class whites.

The same polls show Mrs. Clinton leading among college-educated white voters by 47 percent to 42 percent. It’s a reversal from 2012, when Mr. Romney led that group by six points, 52 percent to 46 percent in the final polls.

Even modest additional gains for Mrs. Clinton among well-educated white voters or nonwhite voters would quickly start to make things very challenging for Mr. Trump.

If Mr. Trump lost five points among well-educated white voters and Hispanics, which is how he’s doing in current polls, his target for white working-class voters would quickly skyrocket. In a battleground state like Colorado, for example, he would need to gain 15 percentage points more of the white working class.

Whether Mr. Trump can suppress his losses among well-educated voters and Latinos will be decided by a lot more than demographics. Usually, the so-called fundamentals — including the current president’s approval rating and the pace of economic growth — play a big role in determining whether voters will support the incumbent’s party. This year, there are other big questions: whether Mr. Trump’s penchant to offend goes too far, and whether Mrs. Clinton has an advantage with women and faces a penalty among men (and which is bigger)."

Originally Posted by wake77

You are sick in the head.

Awe. Someone having an amygdala hijack? Did you happen to go to the communist website and read what they are for? Did you happen to look over Rules for Radicals?

Why are you, John and the like so intent on bringing in people from countries whose state punishment for being gay is the death penalty? According to the pew research center roughly 50% of all the 1.6 billion muslims (when polled in their home countries and I am sure statistics are involved) either agree that Sharia Law should be the law of the land. Sharia law is very unkind to women and deadly to gays.

Originally Posted by ralph

Wow. Ok, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I just don't believe this type of conspiracy theory, I see no difference between this type of thinking and chem trails, faked moon landing etc.

Believe what you want to believe.

Karl Marx's "10 Planks" to seize power and destroy freedom:

Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.


Couple of quotes about Obama:



"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday." --Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

Obama helped fund 'Alinsky Academy': "The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy.... Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization.... 'Midwest describes itself as 'one of the nation's oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.'... Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing."

Obama started his campaign for president in the home of William Ayers as well.

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

Read Away....

Originally Posted by fly135

It's not a Constitutional issue. It's a issue of compassion. The Constitution issue is the suggestion that Muslims in America should be treated differently because of their religion.

Probably because saying "Radical Islam" does not solve any known problems. Just for once I'd like to see the people complaining about not saying "Radical Islam" tell us exactly what they think is going to happen when it's said. People who think a President should be "PC" already know the answer to that question.

Compassion has zero to do with survival. If you want to keep bringing in people who come from countries that kill gays for sport, make women dress head to toe and do female genital mutilation then have at it. How many murders are you willing to have? We are already around 5000 or so since 9/11 from muslims alone.

How many rights are you going to let the leftist democrats take away from you before you say enough is enough?

Got a question...... Why is it when the white kid shot up the black church, it was the rebel flag that caused it. When Bengazi happened, it was a video about islam that cause it. Why is it when a registered democrat muslim kills a what is statistically a bunch of other democrats; it was the gun, the christian right and NRA caused it?


While this was happening, more democrats at work. This was this weekend alone in one democrat city with strict gun controls:

7 Killed, 35 Wounded In Weekend Shootings Across Chicago

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/06/...ootings-crime/

Still don't hear a peep from democrats as to why there are thousands of murders each year in democrat cities? Why is that? Why would democrats continue to try and remove our rights to have guns when all statistics point to the defenseless getting murdered left and right in democrat cities with strict gun laws?

Why are heavy democrat cities destabilized? Typically U.S. cities are the wealthiest places on earth. Why would a president who is from Chicago want to make us subject to the same policies that have destabilized most of our major cities?

Delta

Do you think Wake knows who Bill Ayers is and what he does for a living?
Do you think he knows who Saul Alinsky is.

"G", both whom fox news exposed.......but Fox is the brainwash , crazy, Hollywood news oulet.....hmmmmm

Usually Rod is too smart for this kind of drivel.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

Now I know you've flipped Rod... Pointing to websites quoting Phyllis Shalfly as serious research??? Seriously? That's who you want to tie yourself to? Yikes.

A real winner that Phyllis:

“The best way to improve economic prospects for women is to improve job prospects for the men in their lives, even if that means increasing the so-called pay gap.”

“By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don’t think you can call it rape.”

“Non-criminal sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for the virtuous woman except in the rarest of cases.”

"Sex education classes are like in-home sales parties for abortions."

“Women like to marry a man who makes more than she does, so then she can take time off and work fewer hours when she has something she’d rather do like have a kid and look after her children. So the pay gap, really, is something that women like.”

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

Why would democrats continue to try and remove our rights to have guns when all statistics point to the defenseless getting murdered left and right in democrat cities with strict gun laws?

I assumed that most of the people who get shot from gang violence are other bangers, is that not right?

that crossroads website has some bizarro black helicopter stuff in it. wow. But it did make me learn a little about Alinsky for the first time. His "Rules" sure seem to read like Trump's campaign playbook, no?

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Crazy huh. The best part are all the nutjob claims of Obama and Alinksy hanging out, when the guy died back when Obama was a 10 yr old in Hawaii (or is it Kenya, amiright?)

Originally Posted by ralph

I assumed that most of the people who get shot from gang violence are other bangers, is that not right?

Do most gun related deaths in the US result from self inflicted & friends/family? Honest question.

^^^not asking you, Ralph.

Yes by far and away most gun death is Suicide, numbers per 100,000:
Total 10.5, Homicide 1.4, suicide 6.7, Accident 0.8

So more than half as many shoot someone by accident as the bangers do.

Re Suicide, the rate in US is a little bit higher than other countries but not a great deal. I would guess that if you didn't have guns the rate wouldn't change much, they would just find the next easiest way to off themselves

To put that in context, the accident rate in US is more than 10x greater than similar countries:
US 0.8, Ausy 0.02, Canada 0.05, NZ 0.05, UK 0.02

The murder rates also 5 to 10x greater:
US 1.43, Ausy 0.16, Canada 0.38, NZ 0.18, UK 0.06

ie Regarding gun use, more people kill someone by accident in the US than get murdered in Ausy, Canada, NZ & UK combined. Doesn't seem like free and easy gun control is really making the US safer. But whatever, Democrats seem to be more dangerous than guns and Muslims combined.

Thinking about it I'm not sure it is valid to add rates of each country together like that, so I'll state it this way:
You are 5x more likely to be killed accidentally by a law abiding American than you are by a gang member, psycho or terrorist in other similar counties.

When you look at the numbers, mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to other gun related deaths, I don't know why everybody is so worked up about it. Eliminating trigger happy terrorists does nothing to reduce the gun related death rate.

Originally Posted by wake77

Someone needs to hide sharp objects from you on election night. As delusional as you are, you may feel suicide is the only solution when Hillary wins the election. Again, the GOP are masters at giving Democrats the keys to the WH the past couple of elections. Selecting Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate doomed the GOP in 2008. A lackluster group of candidates doomed the GOP in 2012. Donald Trump has doomed the GOP for 2016.

Your "original thought" is something that has been floated around since he was inaugurated. Is there anything else you would like to share or are you going to pawn off another idea as your own?

Grant was 100% correct. You ARE a troll. If you had any comprehension skills and/or weren't so lazy, you would know the "original thought" I referenced, pertained to the shooting in Orlando. Not what you're talking about. Clearly, you've bumped your head really hard on something, played too much beer pong or smoked one too many spliffs. You make no sense and can't reply to anything in it's context, which explains why not a single liberal person on this thread has come to your defense or helped you in any way, despite your trying to be in the same liberal, circle jerk as them. Enjoy your solitude and the fact that you are totally marginalized.

I'm actualy amused though, by your willingness to embarrass yourself so badly with your empty, bankrupt words, thoughts (actually just parroting other's thoughts) and analisis yet, come back for more. My bet is you weren't spanked (enough) or taught enough as a kid. Poor guy...

I'd be asking for a refund on the tuition you're paying too.

When's this circle jerk? Do i have to dress formal or is flip flops and sarong ok?

Gents, I enjoy this thread and the exposure to diverse opinions and political positions. I'd hope we could keep things from getting personal? The black helicopters/one world order/FEMA/marxist ten planks notwithstanding, fact is we liberal circle jerkers are patriots too who love our country and still get choked up at the national anthem. Conservative echo chambers are just as boring as liberal ones.

Originally Posted by markj

Grant was 100% correct. You ARE a troll. If you had any comprehension skills and/or weren't so lazy, you would know the "original thought" I referenced, pertained to the shooting in Orlando. Not what you're talking about. Clearly, you've bumped your head really hard on something, played too much beer pong or smoked one too many spliffs. You make no sense and can't reply to anything in it's context, which explains why not a single liberal person on this thread has come to your defense or helped you in any way, despite your trying to be in the same liberal, circle jerk as them. Enjoy your solitude and the fact that you are totally marginalized.

I'm actualy amused though, by your willingness to embarrass yourself so badly with your empty, bankrupt words, thoughts (actually just parroting other's thoughts) and analisis yet, come back for more. My bet is you weren't spanked (enough) or taught enough as a kid. Poor guy...

I'd be asking for a refund on the tuition you're paying too.

I got an idea; why don't you just keep me out of your comments? I have been posting here for several years now and I have never "embarrassed myself". Cliff (a conservative poster) will tell you that I was spot on with my election analysis leading into the 2012 election despite Grant's continuous posting of how Romney was going to win. I refuse to continue this back-and-forth with you as if you are the King of the Wakeworld or some sort of Billy Badass. Not one poster has said "markj is right and wake77 is wrong"; most posters are simply ignoring your middle-school type behavior, you just don't recognize it. I don't need any "single liberal person" to come to my defense, I can handle my own. You don't know anything about my past. I am a veteran of the US Navy and was not raised a spoiled brat.

But I'll make a deal with you internet tough guy. Trump wins, I will cancel my Wakeworld account and never post again. If Hillary wins, you do the same. And Grant, I'll make the same deal with you. No need to respond to anything else I posted as I will not reply back. A simple "You have a bet" will suffice.

Originally Posted by grant_west

Delta

Do you think Wake knows who Bill Ayers is and what he does for a living?
Do you think he knows who Saul Alinsky is.

Probably not.....

Originally Posted by pesos

Usually Rod is too smart for this kind of drivel.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

Now I know you've flipped Rod... Pointing to websites quoting Phyllis Shalfly as serious research??? Seriously? That's who you want to tie yourself to? Yikes.

A real winner that Phyllis:

“The best way to improve economic prospects for women is to improve job prospects for the men in their lives, even if that means increasing the so-called pay gap.”

“By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don’t think you can call it rape.”

“Non-criminal sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for the virtuous woman except in the rarest of cases.”

"Sex education classes are like in-home sales parties for abortions."

“Women like to marry a man who makes more than she does, so then she can take time off and work fewer hours when she has something she’d rather do like have a kid and look after her children. So the pay gap, really, is something that women like.”

Don't even know who she is. She may have some screws loose however it does not change the fact that Obama and Ayers have a serious professional relationship that no one can deny. Bill Ayers view of the world is aligned exactly as I have stated to the nay sayers. People were saying it is atin foil hat position that I have, however our president is exactly aligned with these types of people and these types of people have their positions and affiliations clearly in the public for all to see. It is no secret and is factual regardless of what this Phyillis is.

So, what is your opinion of Bill Ayers, the weather underground and Obama being buddies?

Originally Posted by ralph

I assumed that most of the people who get shot from gang violence are other bangers, is that not right?

Yes and no. Like your other post, many are suicide in the gun statistics. Many would be other gang bangers I would give you that.

Thank means if you remove suicide and gang banging cities from the list, America's gun culture is extremely safe. Considering the fact of how many millions of guns are in the public, it is a statisticial non event. Gun suicides are just that. Can not keep people from doing that. My wife scraps people off the public transist track ways all the time and quite a few that jump off the parking structures. People are going to do what they are going to do.

Gang banging is a social issue. 1/3 of california's jail system is illegals who have done violent acts. Why is it in the richest local economies in the world are their need for gang banging? Protection is usually the first answer that comes from young peoples mouth. Protection from who? First answer regarding the jail population may be the first part of that answer. Then next they get into the drug trade. Easy money. Why easy money? The moral decay keeps education low. Have just enough to get by but not enough to do anything meaningful. That leads to a very important quote from the 1968 president of the United States. Democrat Lyndon Johnson. To parphrase, "I will have thos ni**ers voting democrat for the next two hundred years. We will give them benefits but not enough to be meaningful....."

Originally Posted by ralph

Thinking about it I'm not sure it is valid to add rates of each country together like that, so I'll state it this way:
You are 5x more likely to be killed accidentally by a law abiding American than you are by a gang member, psycho or terrorist in other similar counties.

When you look at the numbers, mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to other gun related deaths, I don't know why everybody is so worked up about it. Eliminating trigger happy terrorists does nothing to reduce the gun related death rate.

One thing you have to look into as well, is many countries report crime differently and many times not nearly as rigorous as America. In England, if there is a multi crime event at a home, it is reported as one crime unlike America they will itemize every crime that occured at the location. Not discounting the discussion, but not all stats are equal.

Again, most of those deaths are suicide. I bet if you look up car deaths in America, you are more likely be killed by a car than most other means in America vs the world as well.

You are correct that gang bangers kill way more than terrorist ever will. You have to look at who is doing the shooting and where the killings occur. Democrats love to try and take away gun rights. They will ignore the violence in their own cities. Why, because that violence is not happening in fly over country. The high gun violence is happening in all the places with very strict gun laws which are democrat cities and almost all mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Does not make for very good sound bites to champion a cause to remove a constitutional right. Most thinking people understand who is doing the killing and to who. Hate to say it but republicans don't care because they don't live there and quite frankly can do nothing about it because they don't have the votes to help them. Democrats don't care because they still vote democrat and have pushed through the law on guns that they wanted in those cities. They know the laws don't work. That is not the point for the democrats. They are driven by the world view, not the American view. They need the American public disarmed just like the United Nations charter calls for. It is pure ideology.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

that crossroads website has some bizarro black helicopter stuff in it. wow. But it did make me learn a little about Alinsky for the first time. His "Rules" sure seem to read like Trump's campaign playbook, no?

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Glad you are researching. I think you can apply certain aspects to many leadership tactics.

Remember, never waste a good crisis to make change. That was Obama's chief of staff's saying.

Which party do you see in the streets protesting everything and anything over the last 8 years? What is the goal of those protests and who do you think they align with. Obama or Trump?

Read the young communist pages and socialist pages as well. You will understand the end game.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

Glad you are researching. I think you can apply certain aspects to many leadership tactics.

Remember, never waste a good crisis to make change. That was Obama's chief of staff's saying.

Which party do you see in the streets protesting everything and anything over the last 8 years? What is the goal of those protests and who do you think they align with. Obama or Trump?

Read the young communist pages and socialist pages as well. You will understand the end game.

you've forgotten the tea partiers already too, delta?



protest and public discourse are good and I've got no problem with the tea party or right to lifers exercising their freedom of expression in the public square.

How come conservatives suck at motivating their poor constituents to turn out to protest in the same way that progressives do? Those "rules," many of which clearly ARE being employed by Trump's campaign, are really more about insurgency than left or right. Especially this year where Trump is definitely an insurgent vis-a-vis the GOP insiders, you've seen (and would expect to see) many of these strategies employed.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

Thank means if you remove suicide and gang banging cities from the list, America's gun culture is extremely safe.

Sorry, that is just not true. Removing all suicides and murders and just looking at the accident rate in the US, 5x as many people are killed by guns by law abiding Americans than are murdered by criminals using guns in Ausy and NZ. 10x more than in UK. The reporting system is very similar, these are not 3rd world counties. If you want to compare accident rates directly it is 15 to 40x more likely (understated earlier) to be killed accidently by a fire arm.

So either you must conclude that either access to guns causes more accidents or Americans are just hopeless at using guns. But you cannot conclude it is"very safe"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us...s/04ayers.html

Rod, many of your assertions come straight from ridiculous tinfoil sites.

If you apply your same logic to Trump and the delegates that his campaign has hand-picked to represent them at the convention, then that means TRump is a KKK loving white supremacist who support kiddie porn and wants to kill Obama and other government leaders.

Originally Posted by ralph

Sorry, that is just not true. Removing all suicides and murders and just looking at the accident rate in the US, 5x as many people are killed by guns by law abiding Americans than are murdered by criminals using guns in Ausy and NZ. 10x more than in UK. The reporting system is very similar, these are not 3rd world counties. If you want to compare accident rates directly it is 15 to 40x more likely (understated earlier) to be killed accidently by a fire arm.

So either you must conclude that either access to guns causes more accidents or Americans are just hopeless at using guns. But you cannot conclude it is"very safe"

Exactly. For every responsible gun owner here in wakeworld (of which there are many) there are a dozen yahoos out there without a clue.

Read on about the description and the use by what groups in modern history.

This was one rally sponsored by Glenn Beck at the Washington Monument and it was extremely peaceful. I don't know if I have enough time to put up picture after picture of all the leftist rallies.

Conservatives don't suck at motivating, they suck at wanting to take time off from their jobs and having to pay their bills than spending money going to events. Someone has to prop up all those programs.

Look at the voting blocks. Democrats tend to target: 18 year olds, elderly, and minorities. Of those, it is usually young people in democrat cities who are out doing the most protesting. I bet you don't see too much of that stuff going down in Dallas.....

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

One thing you have to look into as well, is many countries report crime differently and many times not nearly as rigorous as America. In England, if there is a multi crime event at a home, it is reported as one crime unlike America they will itemize every crime that occured at the location. Not discounting the discussion, but not all stats are equal. .

Maybe, but in this case it doesn't effect the numbers because we are looking at deaths not events

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

I bet if you look up car deaths in America, you are more likely be killed by a car than most other means in America vs the world as well.

Yes true but it is 20% more not 500 to 4000% more (depending which comparison we use)

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

You are correct that gang bangers kill way more than terrorist ever will. You have to look at who is doing the shooting and where the killings occur. Democrats love to try and take away gun rights. They will ignore the violence in their own cities. Why, because that violence is not happening in fly over country. The high gun violence is happening in all the places with very strict gun laws which are democrat cities and almost all mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Does not make for very good sound bites to champion a cause to remove a constitutional right. Most thinking people understand who is doing the killing and to who. Hate to say it but republicans don't care because they don't live there and quite frankly can do nothing about it because they don't have the votes to help them. Democrats don't care because they still vote democrat and have pushed through the law on guns that they wanted in those cities. They know the laws don't work. That is not the point for the democrats. They are driven by the world view, not the American view. They need the American public disarmed just like the United Nations charter calls for. It is pure ideology.

I am agnostic when it comes to left/right, talk of Democrat/republican agendas just make me shrug

Originally Posted by ralph

Sorry, that is just not true. Removing all suicides and murders and just looking at the accident rate in the US, 5x as many people are killed by guns by law abiding Americans than are murdered by criminals using guns in Ausy and NZ. 10x more than in UK. The reporting system is very similar, these are not 3rd world counties. If you want to compare accident rates directly it is 15 to 40x more likely (understated earlier) to be killed accidently by a fire arm.

So either you must conclude that either access to guns causes more accidents or Americans are just hopeless at using guns. But you cannot conclude it is"very safe"

Post your site so we can look at it. What does 5x and 10x mean? There are millions of guns in America and billions of rounds of ammo. Statistically, the amount of issues with guns vs the amounts of guns is way lower than car accidents. So many times more likely does not mean much in many contexts.

I don't have time at this instance to look it up but I have in the past, look at your countries with gun laws and rape and assults. Also, look at the demographic and access to your island bound countries. You do not have the floods of people coming into your country like we do here. It is apples and oldsmobiles.

Originally Posted by pesos

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us...s/04ayers.html

Rod, many of your assertions come straight from ridiculous tinfoil sites.

If you apply your same logic to Trump and the delegates that his campaign has hand-picked to represent them at the convention, then that means TRump is a KKK loving white supremacist who support kiddie porn and wants to kill Obama and other government leaders.

If you listen to your democrat friends, they automatically label any republican as that regardless of facts. My assertions come from my understanding of history, the laws democrats try and pass, and the words the president says. I mostly visit here and democraticunderground for my information. Then I look at trends like why would someone sign a treaty that even the most ignorant person in the country would know would kill our jobs. I listen to democrats campaign about getting closer to the UN. I then read the UN charter and pay attention to the odd things like Iran on the human rights committee and so on..

Originally Posted by wake77

I got an idea; why don't you just keep me out of your comments? I have been posting here for several years now and I have never "embarrassed myself". Cliff (a conservative poster) will tell you that I was spot on with my election analysis leading into the 2012 election despite Grant's continuous posting of how Romney was going to win. I refuse to continue this back-and-forth with you as if you are the King of the Wakeworld or some sort of Billy Badass. Not one poster has said "markj is right and wake77 is wrong"; most posters are simply ignoring your middle-school type behavior, you just don't recognize it. I don't need any "single liberal person" to come to my defense, I can handle my own. You don't know anything about my past. I am a veteran of the US Navy and was not raised a spoiled brat.

But I'll make a deal with you internet tough guy. Trump wins, I will cancel my Wakeworld account and never post again. If Hillary wins, you do the same. And Grant, I'll make the same deal with you. No need to respond to anything else I posted as I will not reply back. A simple "You have a bet" will suffice.

Oh rubbish. Don't go making bets. We all get on each others nerves and challenge each other. If it were not for some of you people on here challenging my beliefs, I would not know much of what I know today. We all have the choice to stay away but we come in anyway and go at it. Take a step back for a day and come put blazing tomorrow.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

Post your site so we can look at it. What does 5x and 10x mean? There are millions of guns in America and billions of rounds of ammo. Statistically, the amount of issues with guns vs the amounts of guns is way lower than car accidents. So many times more likely does not mean much in many contexts.

I don't have time at this instance to look it up but I have in the past, look at your countries with gun laws and rape and assults. Also, look at the demographic and access to your island bound countries. You do not have the floods of people coming into your country like we do here. It is apples and oldsmobiles.

Here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ted_death_rate

Re 5x and 10x the numbers are stated in per 100,000 people, ie a per capita measure so you compare counties of different sizes. Example of 15x in the US accident rate is 0.8 = 8 people per every million. The gun accident rate in NZ is 0.05 or half a person per million. 0.5 x 16 = 8

If you want to talk about car safety then we can talk about care safety but bringing it in to these comparisons makes no sense to me, it doesn't effect gun safety or policy. If your suggestion is the amount of guns available in the US is the cause of the many fold increase in gun death then yes i agree 100%, if you want to reduce the numbers you have reduce the numbers of guns. If your not worried about gun deaths then don't make it out to be a problem when a tiny tiny % of the fatalities are Muslims pulling the trigger.

Not that i believe being a Muslim was the prime driver behind this latest douche bag gun man. Being a hateful little man with ready access to assault weapons was the prime driver

Yeah I mean if all we have to do to pin this on ISIS is phone in your allegiance to police negotiators while on your rampage, without ever even making actual contact, let alone receiving training or support of any kind, we really aren't analyzing that issue with any rigor.

And I'm not defending ISIS here just trying to make out that ISIS is not the boogieman here any more than the confederate flag was the cause of the charleston shooting.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Yeah I mean if all we have to do to pin this on ISIS is phone in your allegiance to police negotiators while on your rampage, without ever even making actual contact, let alone receiving training or support of any kind, we really aren't analyzing that issue with any rigor.

And I'm not defending ISIS here just trying to make out that ISIS is not the boogieman here any more than the confederate flag was the cause of the charleston shooting.

It is reported that he had contact with a person in the middle east that had turned suicide bomber. That is why he was under FBI investigation. His father is a Taliban supporter who has directly lobbied Washington DC as well with pictures of him in the halls of either the white house or congress. I am sure he is a crack pot but it is turning out that he has been preparing this for months and had even sold his portion of a home to family for $10. He did not just snap. This was pre pre meditated.

Originally Posted by deltahoosier

It is reported that he had contact with a person in the middle east that had turned suicide bomber. That is why he was under FBI investigation. His father is a Taliban supporter who has directly lobbied Washington DC as well with pictures of him in the halls of either the white house or congress. I am sure he is a crack pot but it is turning out that he has been preparing this for months and had even sold his portion of a home to family for $10. He did not just snap. This was pre pre meditated.

No doubt the dood was a loon, but premeditation does not mean that he planned this with the assistance of ISIS masterminds in the ME (i.e. as opposed to 9/11 which took a ton of coordination and planning). I mean it seems like he's been a loon since grade school. Long history of being antisocial.

What I'm saying is that if the threshold for determining whether we "go to war" with ISIS is whether homegrown lone wolf citizen-terrorists going berzerk pledge their allegiance to ISIS before committing suicide by cop.... well that's a war we're gonna lose. It's a war with an idea, not with even the loosest of organizations.

You made me look, so I went and found a picture of the deed. The whole "sold it for $10" thing, if based solely on the deed, is ignorant hogwash. "$10 and other good and valuable consideration" or language like that is ritual consideration recited in tens of thousands of documents all over the country every day and it doesn't mean that a property was sold for $10, it just means that there was value exchanged (which is a requirement of an enforceable contract). You WOULD think that Fox News, the voice of the party of business and entrepreneurship would get simple stuff like that right. Or maybe they don't know about all of the shady shady terrorists in their midst!

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

No doubt the dood was a loon, but premeditation does not mean that he planned this with the assistance of ISIS masterminds in the ME (i.e. as opposed to 9/11 which took a ton of coordination and planning). I mean it seems like he's been a loon since grade school. Long history of being antisocial.

What I'm saying is that if the threshold for determining whether we "go to war" with ISIS is whether homegrown lone wolf citizen-terrorists going berzerk pledge their allegiance to ISIS before committing suicide by cop.... well that's a war we're gonna lose. It's a war with an idea, not with even the loosest of organizations.

You made me look, so I went and found a picture of the deed. The whole "sold it for $10" thing, if based solely on the deed, is ignorant hogwash. "$10 and other good and valuable consideration" or language like that is ritual consideration recited in tens of thousands of documents all over the country every day and it doesn't mean that a property was sold for $10, it just means that there was value exchanged (which is a requirement of an enforceable contract). You WOULD think that Fox News, the voice of the party of business and entrepreneurship would get simple stuff like that right. Or maybe they don't know about all of the shady shady terrorists in their midst!

Not sure if I say that on FOX. Why would someone go through that step if they were not planning on not being around? Pretty young dude.

I am pretty sure he was not directly speaking with ISIS, however, look at how the political spectrum is in the US. A party puts out a talking point and the masses are automatically using the language and willing to die for it. I am sure ISIS is exactly that as well. This guy was raised by a Afghan Taliban politician. His mindset is going to be strict Islam.

What people need to understand. There really is no such thing as moderate islam. 10 islamic countries have up to the death penalty for being gay. 77 countries have harsh anti gay laws. Nearly 50% of the islamic population believe Shria law should be the law of the land or shape the law of the land. Shria law is horrible for women and deadly to gays. It is also deadly to non believers of islam.

Not telling you how to live your life, however I think the government (who can not seem to get gun back ground checks right) should take a heavy pause before letting people in with that ideology. Especially men of fighting age.

why would you transfer title to real estate? All manner of reasons. I'm saying the "for $10" is absolutely meaningless if you know a.n.y.t.h.i.n.g. about deeds. like anything at all.

dad emigrated 30(?) years ago. There was no taliban then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

as far a "letting people in with that ideology" goes, (a) we don't have a time machine, and (b) we didn't "let Mateen in," he was born here.

I have a question for you all. When was the last time an awful Republican unhappy with his/her life said "to hell with this establishment, I'm gonna load up my weapons and level the playing field!"

1776?

Politicians are hypocrites people, live your own life. Everyone hates on the Bushes/Romneys/Reagans for being 1%ers and not being 'in touch' with the American people.

What do you think the Kennedy's are worth folks? The Clintons? ($80,000 per 'motivational speech'). The Obamas? They may be African American (no one knows do they John?), but it's quite apparent they are extremely wealthy by median income standards.

Things to ponder.

Originally Posted by fly135

Probably because saying "Radical Islam" does not solve any known problems. Just for once I'd like to see the people complaining about not saying "Radical Islam" tell us exactly what they think is going to happen when it's said. People who think a President should be "PC" already know the answer to that question.

I guess it ain't gonna happen. Even that dumb blonde bimbo or ear piecing Judge Jeanine always ranting about it in online videos can't tell us.

I read a lot but post little compared to most here but...

1. Mark is right and wake77 is wrong.

2. It doesn't matter if this attack in Orlando was "coordinated" with ISIL or not, it was inspired by it. Good God, his father was in deep with the local mosque and he pledged his allegiance to ISIL.

3. The left will push this as far as they can to effect gun control even though the latest FBI data shows more people were killed with blunt objects than rifles by almost two fold.

4. New legislation is keeping the border protection agents from even asking questions about Sharia law to suspected terrorists.

5. Why the hell would you "bet" your freedom of speech in this forum based on a political outcome???

Wow, I knew you guys were off when I simply stated the fact that Obama's deficits were twice what Bush #2's wereally and you blindly argued that he had "reduced" the deficit. But wow... you flipped your wig.