Depends on what you are used to riding. Like most stock wakes, it's going to be okay if you are used to riding slower speeds / ropes. If you are used to riding 24 mph, 80 feet, behind a slammed boat, the stock wake will suck for you, again, like any other boat. 2500 pounds is good for starters. The Xstar holds it's shape well as you add weight, and gets harder as you speed up. Def my favorite.
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