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Old    spicoli            05-25-2004, 7:53 AM Reply   
my cousin and i were havin a discussion sunday, what was the first year they used a v-drive in a comp boat, and what company was it?
Old     (jayc)      Join Date: Sep 2002       05-25-2004, 8:03 AM Reply   
I think correct craft started using V drives around 86 or so.
Old     (uga33)      Join Date: Jul 2003       05-25-2004, 9:42 AM Reply   
Centurion 1986
www.centurionboats.com/history/history.html
Old    spicoli            05-25-2004, 11:38 AM Reply   
NICE ELITE!
Old     (uga33)      Join Date: Jul 2003       05-25-2004, 12:48 PM Reply   
Thanks William. I could not ever be more happier with it.
Old    dfish            05-25-2004, 5:30 PM Reply   
Here's a picture, I guess their is always more than one "first."

1969 CC Torino

1969 Correct Craft Torino

(Message edited by dfish on May 25, 2004)
Old    dfish            05-25-2004, 7:23 PM Reply   
1972

1972 cc
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       05-26-2004, 7:38 AM Reply   
Hmm I think we where talking about a comp boat. V drives are ancient but watersport specefic boats are not. The 2 CC don't aperar to have ski tow bars or rear facing seats mirrors etc.
Old    dfish            05-26-2004, 10:36 AM Reply   
Like I said everyone thinks they were the "first"

The boats pictured were based on the same hull as CC's "comp" boats. They were used by barefooters.

And hmmm both boats had rear facing seats and tow eyes. Don't think it was until very recently (mid nineties)that v-drives were in competetion.
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       05-26-2004, 1:05 PM Reply   
So these are the same hulls as the 1989 V drive Barefoot Nauty?

Old    dfish            05-26-2004, 2:06 PM Reply   
Kevin

You apparently know all, I'll let you keep thinking that. I dont get involved in circular arguments that are not logical.
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       05-26-2004, 2:17 PM Reply   
Ouch?
Circular?
Not logical?
My last post was a simple question.
I footed behind the dd and V Barefoot Nauty
at barefoot tournaments. I had no idea
that CC built that same hull for over 20 years
Old    g3revenge            05-26-2004, 3:22 PM Reply   
nope, both of those boats are classified as soft-ride deep v's by cc. they are both 16 footers. ask me how i know.

i'm not sure if they ever used that hull in competition.

Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       05-26-2004, 3:29 PM Reply   
At the Risk of asking a illogical circular argument. How do you know
Old     (jimr)      Join Date: Sep 2001       05-27-2004, 5:33 AM Reply   
I've always like the looks of the Nautique Excel. I've never been in one or behind one so I can't say if they meet the criteria of your search for the first "competition watersports V-drive". I also don't want to get involved in any circular (or polygonal for that matter) arguments, be them logical or illogical.

Excel
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       05-27-2004, 6:43 AM Reply   
The Excel and the Barefoot Nautique are the same hull and have a world class barefoot wake.
You also have to watch out for the infamous square argument.
Old     (trace)      Join Date: Feb 2002       05-27-2004, 10:11 AM Reply   
it's starting to sound a lot like r.s.w. in here.
Old    g3revenge            05-27-2004, 2:06 PM Reply   
kevin, the white boat is a separator. that was my first cc. the yellow torino turd is a project to replace the separator. very circular and illogical at the same time. motus ponans away.....
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       05-27-2004, 2:36 PM Reply   
Trace what goes around comes around......oops that is circular in nature.


Thomas do you have a picture of the back of the boat showing the hull?

Like this shot of the Barefoot Nauty
Old    socalboats            05-27-2004, 8:57 PM Reply   
JimR - Hey, what's up. Couldn't PM you. I see you still have the Eliminator - cool (new trailer?)

Phil
Old    g3revenge            05-28-2004, 12:36 PM Reply   
here's the transom shot of the torino. i'm hoping to get about 60 mph when she's reworked.
but shot
Old    spicoli            05-31-2004, 10:57 PM Reply   
i didnt mean to stir the s#!t, so the general assumption is the nauty bare foot boats?
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-01-2004, 5:39 AM Reply   
Centurion 1986 V drive. Nauty V drive Barefoot boats 1989. At least that was the First V drive that showed up at tournaments. If you are going to use the first boat that was actually used at a tournamnet I would say the V drive NAuty would be the frist. I am not sure the 1996 V drive Centurion was actually used at tournaments.

(Message edited by krbaugh on June 01, 2004)
Old    dfish            06-01-2004, 9:54 PM Reply   
Wow!!

Kevin you circled the wagons twice but your last post was the best. Had to read it three times and still don't understand what you said.

"If you are going to use the first boat that was actually used at a tournement (sp) I would say the V Drive NAUTIQUE (not NAuty)would be the first."

Thanks for so eloquently proving my circular argument statement, and I didn't have to say a word.



(Message edited by dfish on June 01, 2004)

(Message edited by dfish on June 01, 2004)
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-01-2004, 10:08 PM Reply   
Dan

I knew I could suck you back in
Of course like I said it all depends on your definition of a comp boat.

Lighten up Dan


(Message edited by krbaugh on June 01, 2004)
Old    dfish            06-01-2004, 11:01 PM Reply   
Kevin

My apologies, it was a long weekend. Did more damage to my new boat in one weekend than all my other boats combined. Busted the trailer winch (DHM admited problem), had my surfboard blown out of my hand and centerpunch the playpen vinyl, rub rail rubbed through the carpet on the bow stops (DHM admitted problem)scratched keel and f up the rubrail, and my wife was so busy entertaing friends she forgot boats and docks should not meet, especially in 40 knot winds. So much for the much hated Nautique tape--not much left.

Whew

All this to say our points are similar: their is almost always more than one "first."

(Message edited by dfish on June 01, 2004)
Old     (trace)      Join Date: Feb 2002       06-02-2004, 6:21 AM Reply   
although i really hate to jump in here...

is it just me, or does that Torino say "COMPETITION SKI BOAT" on the transom? regardless of your definition of a comp boat, i think it's clear what CC intended on that 1969 model, and that's a few years prior to Centurion's 86 model. JMHO.
Old     (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-02-2004, 6:32 AM Reply   
No problem Ken hope you don't have to much damage.
We just watched the white caps from the window for the most part.

Trace
Lots of manufactures put lots of things on there boats. Until this year Every Centurion said world championship tow boat on them. I guarantee you that every Centurion model has not pulled a world championship. Just because it says "COMPETITION SKI BOAT" does not mean that that model ever pulled a tournament.

Like I said depends on the definition.
Old     (trace)      Join Date: Feb 2002       06-02-2004, 7:31 AM Reply   
fair enough
Old    spicoli            06-03-2004, 1:03 AM Reply   
alright , i gets the idea. yeah, centurions say world championship towboats on the back, my 04 p.o.s. sport does, and im still waiting for the "champion" to get here. however, it has pulled 3 very happy little kids more than once, so im convinced.

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