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Old    Michael B (michaelb14)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-19-2004, 9:13 PM Reply   
I was reading the rules to the 1080 and it requires "4" (which is really 2) handle passes and not wrapped. My question is we have a guy here now doing what he calls a OO9 (omosis ole 9 - no handle pass). If he could turn that into a 1080, why would it not count because he wasn't passing the handle?

Guess I don't understand why a handle pass is required. And don't say because a no handle pass 1080 would be easier.


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Old    Leo Lasecki (malibuboarder75)      Join Date: Jan 2004       08-19-2004, 9:53 PM Reply   
I agree with you. Wrapped tricks are still pretty hard. Not many people do wrapped double grab 720s like randy harris. If he did a wrapped 1080 I would think it should count. He still has to do 2 handle passes after the first 360. And why cant you land blind??? That is dumb, in park's 1080 sequence he lands blind for a split second...he would be disqualified.
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       08-19-2004, 10:09 PM Reply   
maybe the guy(s) that set the rules doesn't ride?
Old    Kevin Bird (kevin_bird)      Join Date: Dec 2002       08-19-2004, 11:53 PM Reply   
maybe you should re-read the rules more in depth.
Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       08-20-2004, 12:58 AM Reply   
As far as an Osmosis Ole 1080 is concerned, it really didn't even cross our minds when we created the contest. Whether it's harder or easier I guess is up for debate, but we were just looking for somebody to do a straight, non-wrapped 1080 and set up the rules accordingly. The rules are the result of consultation with a lot of riders that are at that level, including Parks Bonifay.

That's great that things are progressing to the point that somebody might pull off an Osmosis Ole 1080, but I don't think it's really fair to change the rules in the middle of a contest to accommodate a different style of spin. Otherwise, we would have already had to award Robin Friday the cash for pulling it off the kicker on the cable.

Starting (and possibly ending) the trick wrapped actually does make it quite a bit easier simply due to the fact that when you're handle passing that many times, you actually run out of handle and end up with nothing to grab by the time you finish.

When Parks did his 1080, he landed wrapped. There is nothing in the rules that prohibits that. It only prohibits wrapping at the beginning. A straight, non-wrapped 1080 would normally require the rider to "pass" the handle five times (behind, in front, behind, in front, behind). If you want to land wrapped like Parks did, you will pass the handle four times. Again, that's all within the rules.

Let me know if I'm missing something or if you have any other questions.
Old    Michael B (michaelb14)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-20-2004, 7:53 AM Reply   
I agree that changing the rules at this point is not an option. I honestly don't even know if he has tried a 1080.

I could see how you didn't think about someone doing this. I just thought about it when I saw the sequence of this trick.

Oh well, I am not winning the contest eitherway, so no big deal.


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Old    Shawn Wilson (wakestar8878)      Join Date: Oct 2003       08-20-2004, 10:05 AM Reply   
Lets see the sequence Michael.
Old    Michael B (michaelb14)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-20-2004, 11:00 AM Reply   
It isn't mine to show. A couple of guys down here are shooting a video due out in a few months and it is from that. That are keeping it pretty tight under wraps.

Only reason I have seen it is because I am one of the sponsors. They want people to see it one the video for the first time.

The guys name is Matt Simms.
Old    Michael B (michaelb14)      Join Date: Jul 2001       09-01-2004, 6:07 PM Reply   
Here is one he crashes on at the end of the trailer...

http://www.downsideupproductions.com/Teaser3intro/trailer_081904.mov
Old    Leo Lasecki (malibuboarder75)      Join Date: Jan 2004       09-01-2004, 6:22 PM Reply   
Holy crap. He does an osmosis to ole spin. so osmosis 5 then an ole 3 = 900. that is nutz.
Old    downside_up            09-02-2004, 12:55 PM Reply   
Matt has come close to landing normal handle pass 10's
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       09-02-2004, 2:21 PM Reply   
Oh Damm...That's crazy, and super sick looking.
Old    Jeff (spinnintowin)      Join Date: Nov 2003       09-02-2004, 2:59 PM Reply   
NIce video. What song is that
Old    matt moss (mossy44)      Join Date: Oct 2001       09-02-2004, 3:11 PM Reply   
damn....i am too late. too much bandwidth today. i cant watch it.
Old    downside_up            09-02-2004, 4:10 PM Reply   
sorry about the bandwidth, everyone, we never expected to exceed 5GB in a day. Thanks Jeff- That is "Miseria Cantare" by AFI. We're working on getting it back up today, but you may just have to wait until tomorrow.
Old    matt moss (mossy44)      Join Date: Oct 2001       09-03-2004, 7:56 AM Reply   
does he do an osmosis 7 at the beginning of the video or is that just me seeing things?
Old    downside_up            09-03-2004, 9:04 AM Reply   
He does an osmosis 7, but not in the teaser. That's just a w2w 900
Old    Britt (btr1)      Join Date: Feb 2002       09-03-2004, 10:28 AM Reply   
"just a w2w 900" he says .

Matt Sims is amazing to watch. Like mentioned above he landed the 009 at the Ambush BYOB Championships this past weekend and had the spin on the 1080 attempt but not the rope. Actually there were a bunch of amazing riders at the comp and Matt wasn't the only one landing "just a w2w 900" in it.
Old    Britt (btr1)      Join Date: Feb 2002       09-03-2004, 11:13 AM Reply   
Actually I may be wrong. I was thinking that Rhett Whatley also pulled a 900 but it may have "only" been a 720 .
Old    downside_up            09-03-2004, 1:29 PM Reply   
yeah, rhett only does 7's. I've seen Corey Bradley spin 1080, but without the handle. Matt seems to miss that last pass a lot on his 10's
Old    Leo Lasecki (malibuboarder75)      Join Date: Jan 2004       09-04-2004, 12:25 AM Reply   
yea, just think if he didnt miss that last pass, he would be $1080 richer.
Old    downside_up            09-04-2004, 5:06 AM Reply   
$2160 - they doubled it. He keeps trying...
Old    Michael B (michaelb14)      Join Date: Jul 2001       09-04-2004, 9:40 AM Reply   
Matt, it is only $2160 if it is at a pro tour event.
Old    Cameron Seeber (cam)      Join Date: Aug 2003       09-06-2004, 3:15 AM Reply   
If your going to count spinning 1080 degrees, than Justin Abbott from Australia has done that on cable.
He called it the C10, its a toeside double sbend to blind.

I dont think he should win it because I would like to see, and Justin would also like to see someone step it upto the level of Mark and Parks
Old    Leo Lasecki (malibuboarder75)      Join Date: Jan 2004       09-06-2004, 8:21 AM Reply   
double s-bend to blind would only be a 900??? an s-bend= raley w/ 2 handed bs ole 360. So two s-bends would = 720 and landing it blind would be an extra 180.
Old    Cameron Seeber (cam)      Join Date: Aug 2003       09-06-2004, 8:16 PM Reply   
starting toeside gives you the extra 180
Old    Leo Lasecki (malibuboarder75)      Join Date: Jan 2004       09-06-2004, 8:52 PM Reply   
sorry, i didnt see the toeside. Well you are right, that is 1080. But its not handle pass so breaks the rules.
Old    blind5            09-06-2004, 9:39 PM Reply   
and its an s-bend Matt is Off Axis spinning this OO9, that he could take to 10
Old    Cameron Seeber (cam)      Join Date: Aug 2003       09-07-2004, 1:56 AM Reply   
> But its not handle pass so breaks the rules

neither is an ole .... thus my point :-)
And I guess to say he wouldnt be the first if this was the case.

(Message edited by cam on September 07, 2004)
Old    Michael B (michaelb14)      Join Date: Jul 2001       09-07-2004, 11:48 AM Reply   
Most people wouldn't say "yeah, I can do a 3. An S-bend"

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