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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 5:55 AM Reply   
Ruh roh. The headline of this little nugget says it all. Do we need any more confirmation of what a liar Biden is?
https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/psaki-...as-collapsing/
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 5:56 AM Reply   
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Nothing to do with your TDS. I was referring to the fact that every time it's mentioned that there was no expectation the govt would fall you guys ignore that point and deflect with some irrelevant BS. Your defense in an argument is being obtuse.
Hey buddy. See above link and suck it.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-02-2021, 6:00 AM Reply   
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Hey buddy. See above link and suck it.
Is this the part I'm supposed to suck on?

"But neither Biden nor Ghani appeared aware of how quickly the country would fall to the insurgents, who three weeks later, on Aug. 15, stormed Kabul, prompting the Afghan leader to take off. "
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-02-2021, 6:02 AM Reply   
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Ruh roh. The headline of this little nugget says it all. Do we need any more confirmation of what a liar Biden is?
https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/psaki-...as-collapsing/
It does seem that you get all your news from headlines. You take the bait, but don't read far enough to see the switch.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 6:15 AM Reply   
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It does seem that you get all your news from headlines. You take the bait, but don't read far enough to see the switch.
What does the actual rate of speed with which the Taliban took over have to do with anything? The point is Biden clearly knew it was inevitable, but wanted Ghani to lie about it. After sucking on that, you can tell me now how Biden thought it was a good idea to leave all the equipment there for their amusement.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 6:22 AM Reply   
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It does seem that you get all your news from headlines. You take the bait, but don't read far enough to see the switch.
“Biden told the Afghan leader to change the “perception” about the fight against the Taliban “whether it was true or not.”

Sorry to have to drop that Psaki bomb on you. Thanks for playing. Next!

See John, I don’t just read the headlines.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 6:27 AM Reply   
Has anyone seen the cat that just got John’s tongue?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 6:43 AM Reply   
Hey John, I’m doing my best to help you get back on your feet here. Hopefully we’ll find that cat.
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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-02-2021, 6:49 AM Reply   
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Has anyone seen the cat that just got John’s tongue?
LOL, if my life was consumed by this forum as much as yours I would respond sooner. I'm happy that we have left Afghanistan. The biggest concern I had for a disaster was that a plane full of people would have been shot down and that didn't happen. If you want to make it political more people died under a Republican President in Afghanistan than a Democrat. Disasters are relative. There is no reason believe that any other leader would have done a better or worse job. It could have gone either way. We could have reengaged the military and created a humanitarian crisis. It's not like we don't have a history of doing that.

Considering America's miscalculation in equipping and training the Afghan military, it could have been even worse. Afghanistan isn't the only country in the world where innocent people are killed or oppressed. I don't expect America to take responsibility for all the human suffering in the world. That's on God's plate.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 7:10 AM Reply   
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LOL, if my life was consumed by this forum as much as yours I would respond sooner. I'm happy that we have left Afghanistan. The biggest concern I had for a disaster was that a plane full of people would have been shot down and that didn't happen. If you want to make it political more people died under a Republican President in Afghanistan than a Democrat. Disasters are relative. There is no reason believe that any other leader would have done a better or worse job. It could have gone either way. We could have reengaged the military and created a humanitarian crisis. It's not like we don't have a history of doing that.

Considering America's miscalculation in equipping and training the Afghan military, it could have been even worse. Afghanistan isn't the only country in the world where innocent people are killed or oppressed. I don't expect America to take responsibility for all the human suffering in the world. That's on God's plate.
Whether a plane gets shot down or not, the killing spree will happen, thanks to your boy abandoning our people. The method by which they die is just semantics. Speaking of planes, if it wasn’t for Glenn Beck’s organization that raised over 30 million in a matter of days to fund the private humanitarian effort, over 5,000 people would still be there that they flew out of there. The truly sickening part of this is knowing that Biden (or his handlers) made these choices consciously. Do you get that? They left people and equipment there on purpose.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 7:22 AM Reply   
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Ruh roh. The headline of this little nugget says it all. Do we need any more confirmation of what a liar Biden is?
https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/psaki-...as-collapsing/
you really should include at least the headline:

Psaki refuses to discuss leaked Biden call with Ghani that shows he knew Afghan army was collapsing
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 7:40 AM Reply   
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It can't possibly be worse than yours though right? I mean what with living two hours from a pharmacy and four hours from a doctor and all?
can you provide the link for that? The 2 hours is to get to back and forth to work. My childhood friend has lived in germany now for 30 years. Stayed after his stint in the Army. He described it. People still have to buy insurance outside the government supplied one. Guess why?

I have doctors 5 minutes down the road. The top end specialists 30 minutes away. It is peoples works that are so far away. most people are in the same boat.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-02-2021, 8:04 AM Reply   
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can you provide the link for that? The 2 hours is to get to back and forth to work. My childhood friend has lived in germany now for 30 years. Stayed after his stint in the Army. He described it. People still have to buy insurance outside the government supplied one. Guess why?

I have doctors 5 minutes down the road. The top end specialists 30 minutes away. It is peoples works that are so far away. most people are in the same boat.
So you mean if you have to go to a doctor's appointment mid day it's a four hour round trip drive, right?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-02-2021, 8:05 AM Reply   
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Whether a plane gets shot down or not, the killing spree will happen, thanks to your boy abandoning our people. The method by which they die is just semantics. Speaking of planes, if it wasn’t for Glenn Beck’s organization that raised over 30 million in a matter of days to fund the private humanitarian effort, over 5,000 people would still be there that they flew out of there. The truly sickening part of this is knowing that Biden (or his handlers) made these choices consciously. Do you get that? They left people and equipment there on purpose.
Then I guess YOU should be sucking off Glenn Beck. Dont worry, he can leave something there on purpose. Are the fine folks Glenn brought back moving into your basement? lol.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 8:30 AM Reply   
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Then I guess YOU should be sucking off Glenn Beck. Dont worry, he can leave something there on purpose. Are the fine folks Glenn brought back moving into your basement? lol.
...said the idiot who can't say one word to defend the incompitence of who he voted for. You are a stone cold loser. Just like your boy, Biden.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-02-2021, 8:33 AM Reply   
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Then I guess YOU should be sucking off Glenn Beck. Dont worry, he can leave something there on purpose. Are the fine folks Glenn brought back moving into your basement? lol.
It's pretty bad when private citizens have to go do the job that should be done by the lame as$ government that we have now. You guys are all a bunch of derelicts.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-02-2021, 9:58 AM Reply   
The Fact that Democrats are so willing to Defend Biden @ Every Mis Step is just so Maddening. You guys are so set on “Winning a Argument” you forgot what you are defending. Example: I’m Upset that we left all the weapons behind to attack us and the people we were supposed to help. We armed the Taliban to where they are a Legit armed terrorist force. We gave TANKs, Blackhawks, Airplanes, Hellfire Missiles and tons of other stuff these guys NEVER had. SN95 says “we leave behind weapons in every war” Wow that’s your Excuse! What a Dong F”big Tard! Complete F’ing Idiot.
My feeling would be the exact same if TRUMP did exactly what Biden did I would be Just as pissed and I would even be calling for him to step down, and so would the Majority of TRUMP supporters. On the flip side you dumb ass Democrats are so HIGH on your own fart smell and your so stubborn and afraid of your VP your willing to lie and cover for your President. What happend to your “silence is violence” war chant. You F tards are silent
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       09-02-2021, 10:13 AM Reply   
It is quite comical. If this would have happened under trump, impeachment papers would already be drafted and this thread would be 10 pages longer.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-02-2021, 10:27 AM Reply   
^^ My Thoughts Exactly^^
Yes and to go backwards in time remember all the Protests in the street “Not My President” and the complete temper tantrum the Left Threw. You had Mad Maxine Weaponizing the Usefull Idiots it was 4 years of crazy people stomping in the streets.
And not to turn a Blind Eye, but we had some crazy’s storm the Capitol on Jan 6th. Those idiots are getting what they deserve but at least you don’t have a constant stream of Left Wing DRIBBLE day after day
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 11:30 AM Reply   
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So you mean if you have to go to a doctor's appointment mid day it's a four hour round trip drive, right?
Mid day if I scheduled it that way, it would be 1 hr round trip because it is not during traffic time. Other people in the bay area sometimes have to travel up to 2 hours one way during traffic. In kali it is not how many miles you live from something, it is what time you want to go to something is what dictates travel time. Obviously minimum times are dictated by distance, however distance is rarely the minimum indicator to get to some place.

Type of insurance also matters. I have a pretty high end insurance that is centered more around Oakland due to the nature of the business our family insurance is from. I don't live near oakland but the outer reaches of that insurance just hits the town I live in. When I used to have insurance through my work, all my doctors were in the town I work. For people with Kaiser, there are lots of facilities in different towns. Kind seems to be more of a 24 hr fitness vibe.

Basically you are not pinning anyone down that their insurance sucks compared to the socialized countries. Try and get in for an MRI in those countries and see how long you are out.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-02-2021, 11:46 AM Reply   
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have a pretty high end insurance that is centered more around Oakland due to the nature of the business our family insurance is from
Huh, haven't you made the argument many times that health insurance isn't required in the US and the socially provided healthcare is just fine?

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Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier
Try and get in for an MRI in those countries and see how long you are out.
MRI is typically next day on the public system here. Nice try though.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-02-2021, 12:01 PM Reply   
Nobody impeached trump because he closed up shop in Syria w/o even informing his Generals. Their they also left everything and didnt take a single Kurd who helped the US.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...treat-in-syria

Guess its too much work to do a 30 second google search.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       09-02-2021, 12:30 PM Reply   
^ Not even close to the same thing.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 12:41 PM Reply   
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Huh, haven't you made the argument many times that health insurance isn't required in the US and the socially provided healthcare is just fine?


MRI is typically next day on the public system here. Nice try though.
No it is not required for basics because it is already provided. All people have to do is show up at the urgent care or ER. That is what we are supposed to do even with insurance if it is an immediate need. If you really need a procedure, the counties do have county hospitals offer services. These are all paid for so why do I as a tax payer need to pay again for services that are available. However with that said and just like in Germany, the public options are not as convenient. You get what you pay for.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 12:42 PM Reply   
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Huh, haven't you made the argument many times that health insurance isn't required in the US and the socially provided healthcare is just fine?


MRI is typically next day on the public system here. Nice try though.
You can get an MRI but can't get covid vaccines? uh huh
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       09-02-2021, 1:03 PM Reply   
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You can get an MRI but can't get covid vaccines? uh huh
The NZ government doesn't want people to get covid vaccine, they would lose the ability to keep the people locked up and locked down. I must suck to be a prisoner in your country.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-02-2021, 2:05 PM Reply   
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The NZ government doesn't want people to get covid vaccine, they would lose the ability to keep the people locked up and locked down. I must suck to be a prisoner in your country.
The people in America forget how spoiled they are. Almost no nation in the world has the amount of covid vaccines we have. We're the only country who has had to destroy our out dated vax because they couldnt give it away free to Alabama folks. People in other countries WISH they had what our people thumb their nose at.
Ive heard this before and dont get it. What is the point you try to make about locking people down, what is the benefit to any person or govt? Anything?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-02-2021, 2:25 PM Reply   
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These are all paid for so why do I as a tax payer need to pay again for services that are available.
Yeah, that is my question ,why do you have insurance if it's not required?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-02-2021, 2:28 PM Reply   
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You can get an MRI but can't get covid vaccines? uh huh
We started slow but are starting to hit our straps.

So you want to take a bet, first country to 80%? Come on put you money where your mouth is.
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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-02-2021, 2:29 PM Reply   
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The NZ government doesn't want people to get covid vaccine, they would lose the ability to keep the people locked up and locked down. I must suck to be a prisoner in your country.
Must suck when your tinfoil hat is too tight.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-02-2021, 2:53 PM Reply   
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It is quite comical. If this would have happened under trump, impeachment papers would already be drafted and this thread would be 10 pages longer.
Nothing Biden did is impeachable. What commander would demoralize his troops by telling them before they go to war that they have the losing odds? I see nothing other than Biden expecting the Afghan govt to stay intact for a least some unpredictable period beyond what it did. It could have gone far worse, but it didn't. Removing Afghan nationals and all the of the military support for the Afghan security forces ahead of time would have probably triggered all kinds of chaos, and resulted in all the same criticisms by the hindsight Generals.

You guys seem so caught up in Trump's cult of personality that you can't see anything else. Biden doesn't have that going for him. Biden probably isn't anyone's first choice, but he beat Trump. We are out of Afghanistan and that's a good thing for America. It's too bad that conservatives are trying to make America look bad for political purposes. First they made America look bad by electing Trump and now they are trying make America look bad in hopes they can win elections. That's the bottom line here.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-02-2021, 3:48 PM Reply   
There goes that leftist narrative once again. Straight from cdc researchers. Once again smacking feelings and idiocy in the face. How’s that follow the science slogan working ?


Triple mushroom stamp this time.


Not only are airlines attempting to block cloth masks, and mandate surgical or N95’s ( whammy #1 Because cloth masks as stated 1000 times over are useless. ). We now have hard data on the vaccine since it’s been in circulation for some time. Once again not matching the narrative of the political climate. Then We have these gems.

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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 3:49 PM Reply   
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Yeah, that is my question ,why do you have insurance if it's not required?
You are not even making sense at this point. Same reason the people in the socialist mecca of Germany have private insurance.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 3:50 PM Reply   
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We started slow but are starting to hit our straps.

So you want to take a bet, first country to 80%? Come on put you money where your mouth is.
Oh. you are an island. still lagging with getting them. want to take a bet on the longest country locked down?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 3:54 PM Reply   
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Nothing Biden did is impeachable. What commander would demoralize his troops by telling them before they go to war that they have the losing odds? I see nothing other than Biden expecting the Afghan govt to stay intact for a least some unpredictable period beyond what it did. It could have gone far worse, but it didn't. Removing Afghan nationals and all the of the military support for the Afghan security forces ahead of time would have probably triggered all kinds of chaos, and resulted in all the same criticisms by the hindsight Generals.

You guys seem so caught up in Trump's cult of personality that you can't see anything else. Biden doesn't have that going for him. Biden probably isn't anyone's first choice, but he beat Trump. We are out of Afghanistan and that's a good thing for America. It's too bad that conservatives are trying to make America look bad for political purposes. First they made America look bad by electing Trump and now they are trying make America look bad in hopes they can win elections. That's the bottom line here.
nothing Trump did was impeachable either.

Biden did not have the conversation to then tell it to the troops. he pressured the president over there to change his message to the world.

I agree removing ahead of time would have more likely created chaos, but knowing it more than likely would have happened, you would have had people staged and a tighter control of the weapons. He also did not have to give up our air base before hand. The deal was not that we had to be out of our air base before the end of August. It was be out of country. that is anywhere so we could have stayed in the airbase.

I find it comical that you are saying that conservatives are trying to make America look bad. Sorry the Brits already literally took a vote independent of conservative punditry and decided America looks bad. Specifically Biden.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-02-2021, 4:16 PM Reply   
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nothing Trump did was impeachable either.
Your statement is belied by the fact of impeachment. The fact that he was impeached means that his conduct must have been impeachable.

Maybe better stated "nothing Trump did warranted impeachment."
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-02-2021, 4:28 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
There goes that leftist narrative once again. Straight from cdc researchers. Once again smacking feelings and idiocy in the face. How’s that follow the science slogan working ?


Triple mushroom stamp this time.


Not only are airlines attempting to block cloth masks, and mandate surgical or N95’s ( whammy #1 Because cloth masks as stated 1000 times over are useless. ). We now have hard data on the vaccine since it’s been in circulation for some time. Once again not matching the narrative of the political climate. Then We have these gems.

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xstar, can you post a link to the primary source for that data? I tried looking for it on the mentioned israeli site and can't find it anyware. Prolly bad google-fu, but seeing as you already found it, help a friend out?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-02-2021, 4:51 PM Reply   
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Oh. you are an island. still lagging with getting them. want to take a bet on the longest country locked down?
Sure what's the terms of your bet?

Want to bet who is first to 80% or not?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-02-2021, 4:54 PM Reply   
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You are not even making sense at this point. Same reason the people in the socialist mecca of Germany have private insurance.
Because public Healthcare is **** and they don't feel protected without insurance? Aren't you saying the opposite?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:17 PM Reply   
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Your statement is belied by the fact of impeachment. The fact that he was impeached means that his conduct must have been impeachable.

Maybe better stated "nothing Trump did warranted impeachment."
No. It was political to impeach him. I say you and all democrats are idiots and dangerous to our Republic. There are many that feel this way. Does that make it true that you are both of those things. After all, me and others like me are of that opinion and will to vote as much to put it on the record.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:22 PM Reply   
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Because public Healthcare is **** and they don't feel protected without insurance? Aren't you saying the opposite?
Aren't the people of Germany saying as much? People obviously feel protected because they show up at the hospitals and still call 911 for medical help if they need it. What you and they want to do is not get a career where they can have those things, but instead believe they can still not be responsible yet get the same access as those who made it a priority to have the extra care. I guess we need to rehash the discussion of how long it takes Canadians how long they wait for care and why are the constantly coming across the border for American doctors.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:24 PM Reply   
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Because public Healthcare is **** and they don't feel protected without insurance? Aren't you saying the opposite?
We have public healthcare plans on top of county and the er. It has 1/4 on it and has 1/2 the total cost. We also have pay cash for care. Wife had to go to the ER while on a trip to in Indiana. Cost less than $100 for the visit and the meds.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:25 PM Reply   
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Sure what's the terms of your bet?

Want to bet who is first to 80% or not?
What is the terms of your country being locked down longer?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:27 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
Nothing Biden did is impeachable. What commander would demoralize his troops by telling them before they go to war that they have the losing odds? I see nothing other than Biden expecting the Afghan govt to stay intact for a least some unpredictable period beyond what it did. It could have gone far worse, but it didn't. Removing Afghan nationals and all the of the military support for the Afghan security forces ahead of time would have probably triggered all kinds of chaos, and resulted in all the same criticisms by the hindsight Generals.

You guys seem so caught up in Trump's cult of personality that you can't see anything else. Biden doesn't have that going for him. Biden probably isn't anyone's first choice, but he beat Trump. We are out of Afghanistan and that's a good thing for America. It's too bad that conservatives are trying to make America look bad for political purposes. First they made America look bad by electing Trump and now they are trying make America look bad in hopes they can win elections. That's the bottom line here.
You guys also know that they were losing provincial capitals all summer. It really was not secret this was coming.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-02-2021, 5:30 PM Reply   
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You guys also know that they were losing provincial capitals all summer. It really was not secret this was coming.
Youre making bidens decision the smartest choice with every post.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:30 PM Reply   
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Because public Healthcare is **** and they don't feel protected without insurance? Aren't you saying the opposite?
To put it better. Yes public health are crap. It is crap in Germany. It is crap in Canada. It is crap in your country. We happen to have a secondary system where people for profit decided to pay in and get what they pay for. Now the people who have crap for insurance want those who decided to pay in now let them have access for free.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:34 PM Reply   
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Youre making bidens decision the smartest choice with every post.
Is this inverse logic day with you? Or is that every day? Getting out of there. Everyone agrees it ultimately needed to happen. Getting on the phone and pressuring the president into telling the world that everything was ok? Not so much of a good decision. Bailing out without destroying the equipment knowing that the president was trying to tell you it is not going to work out while the other areas were failing? Not such a good decision. Leaving out people behind? Not such a good decision. Giving up our air base where we had defenses knowing the Taliban was coming? Not such a good decision.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-02-2021, 5:37 PM Reply   
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The people in America forget how spoiled they are. Almost no nation in the world has the amount of covid vaccines we have. We're the only country who has had to destroy our out dated vax because they couldnt give it away free to Alabama folks. People in other countries WISH they had what our people thumb their nose at.
Ive heard this before and dont get it. What is the point you try to make about locking people down, what is the benefit to any person or govt? Anything?
I don't know. What was the benefit to sending millions of people to camps, murdering millions of your own citizens, conducting experiments on your own citizens, invading the neighboring countries, enslaving people and so on? Leftist have done this by the tens of millions. It is actual documented history. You tell me why you democrats like doing this to people.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-02-2021, 5:37 PM Reply   
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What is the terms of your country being locked down longer?
Well 3/4 of the country is now out of lockdown with only Auckland left. We had 28 new cases today so have squished it pretty good. Another week or so for us I think then we are back out.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-02-2021, 8:28 PM Reply   
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xstar, can you post a link to the primary source for that data? I tried looking for it on the mentioned israeli site and can't find it anyware. Prolly bad google-fu, but seeing as you already found it, help a friend out?
Check your pms.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       09-03-2021, 3:54 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ralph View Post
Well 3/4 of the country is now out of lockdown with only Auckland left. We had 28 new cases today so have squished it pretty good. Another week or so for us I think then we are back out.
LOL you are an idiot. Its never going to "go away" you will be in lockdown for many years to come. You guys already have an insane suicide rate. I cant imagine how high it will be. You probably will hav more suicides than covid dealths. So people are killing themselves, because the pain of being caged is so bad, they would rather die than spend more time in your government cage.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       09-03-2021, 5:09 AM Reply   
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Nothing Biden did is impeachable. What commander would demoralize his troops by telling them before they go to war that they have the losing odds? I see nothing other than Biden expecting the Afghan govt to stay intact for a least some unpredictable period beyond what it did. It could have gone far worse, but it didn't. Removing Afghan nationals and all the of the military support for the Afghan security forces ahead of time would have probably triggered all kinds of chaos, and resulted in all the same criticisms by the hindsight Generals.

You guys seem so caught up in Trump's cult of personality that you can't see anything else. Biden doesn't have that going for him. Biden probably isn't anyone's first choice, but he beat Trump. We are out of Afghanistan and that's a good thing for America. It's too bad that conservatives are trying to make America look bad for political purposes. First they made America look bad by electing Trump and now they are trying make America look bad in hopes they can win elections. That's the bottom line here.
Whatever. My statement had nothing to do with my stance on withdrawing. I agree it needed to happen. If Trump was president now and that unfolded the way it did, liberals would be losing it, whether it was warranted or not and for you to disagree would be dishonest.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-03-2021, 5:53 AM Reply   
Lyin Biden at it again. Exploiting /mocking another set of dead Americans . This time being caught in a flat out lie once again by CNN. Stuttering. Joe couldn’t even get the name out or formulate a sentence regarding the Tree of Life massacre. Then lies about going there and speaking.

Disgraceful. Once again mocking those killed , only this time with regards to a domestic attack. This POS truly has no shame. His own lefty fact checkers are destroying him daily.


https://apple.news/AmGjcnF6ZRdKb-rIB1eGcMQ
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-03-2021, 5:58 AM Reply   
With the recent announcement of the the Top Gun remake being postponed again amd Biden giving up our air base instead of using it as a tactical point during evacuation.

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Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-03-2021, 6:23 AM Reply   
Most Americans agree with pulling out. However overwhelming majority disagree with the complete cluster**** , mismanagement , and idiotic plan of “ no plan “ by Biden . His actions are a disgrace to America and the work the military did for last 20 years there.


The writing was on the wall. Over 70% of the major areas in Afghanistan were already being overrun with the Taliban. The writing was on the wall everywhere that the Afghan Army wasn’t holding up to their requirements The fact Biden couldn’t see that coming as the Failure in Chief exemplifies his incompetency. The guy has been in political office for the entire war. Served as the VP for 8 yrs of it , amd still failed to know his enemy. He made America the laughing stock , Not only did he kill American soldiers and Afghans , he killed allied troops as well and our ties with them by pretending they didn’t even exist or discuss his strategy with those that working alongside us fir 2 decades.

The fact the exit was the right call doesn’t eclipse the giant embarrassment , incompetency, and failure that occurred under Biden’s plan. Biden’s failure at understanding friend policy has been a benchmark of his political career. He’s a joke . Zero qualifications. There is reason the village idiot’s approval rating is the lowest in history regarding a military operation. It’s not a coincidence.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-03-2021, 6:37 AM Reply   
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Whatever. My statement had nothing to do with my stance on withdrawing. I agree it needed to happen. If Trump was president now and that unfolded the way it did, liberals would be losing it, whether it was warranted or not and for you to disagree would be dishonest.
My form of honesty is arguing what's best for America, not what's best for a political party. Trump always looked bad, even when he was trying to do the right thing. Look at his speech about being able to win the Afghan war. He said... "I" could win it in a week, but "I" don't want to kill 10 million people. Not "America" could win it and not "America" doesn't want to kill 10 million people. Trump had a knack of injecting his narcissistic obsessions in every matter of policy. It was a constant invitation for criticism and a stain on the reputation of this country.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       09-03-2021, 6:52 AM Reply   
Are you getting senile? Your lack of ability to grasp a simple concept is concerning.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-03-2021, 6:57 AM Reply   
Here is a concept to grasp

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-03-2021, 7:19 AM Reply   
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Are you getting senile? Your lack of ability to grasp a simple concept is concerning.
You mean the simple concept that you were just making a comment that liberals would trash Trump for doing what Biden did? No I get that. It just seems to me that the conversation would be more significant if it was elevated beyond the level of the obvious.

I seems more important to talk about how maybe America is just tooling itself into believing that it would have been successful in Afghanistan if only it didn't have a senile incompetent President that wasted all our great investment. And that we can convince ourselves the next time we do this there be a better outcome.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-03-2021, 7:19 AM Reply   
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Here is a concept to grasp

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Link? Do 83% of people actually give blood annually?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-03-2021, 7:30 AM Reply   
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LOL you are an idiot. Its never going to "go away" you will be in lockdown for many years to come. You guys already have an insane suicide rate. I cant imagine how high it will be. You probably will hav more suicides than covid dealths. So people are killing themselves, because the pain of being caged is so bad, they would rather die than spend more time in your government cage.
Yes our suicide rate is terrible, but yours is 40% higher. Derp. No need to imagine, just look it up.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-03-2021, 7:31 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ralph View Post
Well 3/4 of the country is now out of lockdown with only Auckland left. We had 28 new cases today so have squished it pretty good. Another week or so for us I think then we are back out.
Good to hear. You do realize covid is coming to your country right? Unless you are going to live in isolation for the rest of your life, you are getting covid
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-03-2021, 7:33 AM Reply   
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LOL you are an idiot. Its never going to "go away" you will be in lockdown for many years to come. You guys already have an insane suicide rate. I cant imagine how high it will be. You probably will hav more suicides than covid dealths. So people are killing themselves, because the pain of being caged is so bad, they would rather die than spend more time in your government cage.
Heck Chicago already has more murder by brother form another mother than covid deaths.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-03-2021, 7:42 AM Reply   
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You mean the simple concept that you were just making a comment that liberals would trash Trump for doing what Biden did? No I get that. It just seems to me that the conversation would be more significant if it was elevated beyond the level of the obvious.

I seems more important to talk about how maybe America is just tooling itself into believing that it would have been successful in Afghanistan if only it didn't have a senile incompetent President that wasted all our great investment. And that we can convince ourselves the next time we do this there be a better outcome.
There is always the thought if it was not working you go ahead and leave the 1500 soldiers that were apparently keeping the place in check. Hell, we have almost if not more cops in Chicago alone.

While you leftys always chanted no blood for oil (you collectively look pretty childish with that one considering the facts) while using petrol products in every day life, I am sure you not our allies that invested 20 years of life, blood, treasure in that country to have access to the Trillions of dollars worth of battery making minerals. Instead Biden decided to screw the other countries and not even telling them we are out or apparently work with them. China is certainly going to swoop in and make the deal with the devil and they will control every bit of that material on earth pretty much considering mining is evil in the US.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-03-2021, 7:47 AM Reply   
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Yes our suicide rate is terrible, but yours is 40% higher. Derp. No need to imagine, just look it up.
he is not wrong however I thought with free (not free) healthcare, no guns and no covid you would be much much lower.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-03-2021, 9:58 AM Reply   
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Link? Do 83% of people actually give blood annually?
Shawn


I am purposefully not linking the articles in order to force people to actual search and open their minds to the data. When you search you’re likely to get multiple articles rather than 1 . People need to wake the **** up wbd look at the actual data not the propaganda skewed by our msm. The facts and data are not have never been in line with the message from the left. It’s all out there. People just refuse to accept and discuss it. The left just puts stupid on repeat and quadruples down on idiocy in the face of what science is and has told us.



https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-over-83...-surge-1625738
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-03-2021, 10:19 AM Reply   
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Shawn


I am purposefully not linking the articles in order to force people to actual search and open their minds to the data. When you search you’re likely to get multiple articles rather than 1 . People need to wake the **** up wbd look at the actual data not the propaganda skewed by our msm. The facts and data are not have never been in line with the message from the left. It’s all out there. People just refuse to accept and discuss it. The left just puts stupid on repeat and quadruples down on idiocy in the face of what science is and has told us.



https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-over-83...-surge-1625738
Here's the link to the study itself https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=090221

Last line in the study: "Despite weighting to adjust for demographic differences, these findings from a national sample of blood donors may not be representative of the entire US population." (thanks @Newsweek!)

A couple of thoughts...

1. 60 of that 80% number appears to be vax based antibodies (if I'm reading it correctly). If the argument is that the vax is ineffective against Delta (as Mark suggests), this study should be pretty chilling as to the lack of protection.

2. The study concluded pre-delta, but noted that at that time the rate of infection based antibodies was very high in the South. Apparently that hasn't really helped with Delta?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-03-2021, 10:35 AM Reply   
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Good to hear. You do realize covid is coming to your country right? Unless you are going to live in isolation for the rest of your life, you are getting covid
Yes we realize. The plan is to stay isolated until we get a vaccine to everyone who wants one then open up. That's what the government is saying but let's see, governments don't always do what they say but have a pretty good track record with Covid management so far.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-03-2021, 10:37 AM Reply   
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he is not wrong however I thought with free (not free) healthcare, no guns and no covid you would be much much lower.
Yes me too, we have got a significant problem with youth suicide, don't know why. Certainly not anything to do with Covid or lockdowns, the suicide rate has fallen since 2019.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-03-2021, 11:22 AM Reply   
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While you leftys always chanted no blood for oil (you collectively look pretty childish with that one considering the facts) while using petrol products in every day life, I am sure you not our allies that invested 20 years of life, blood, treasure in that country to have access to the Trillions of dollars worth of battery making minerals.
Dang, and we spent $2 Trillion not getting that $1 trillion in battery making materials.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-03-2021, 12:53 PM Reply   
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Here's the link to the study itself https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=090221

Last line in the study: "Despite weighting to adjust for demographic differences, these findings from a national sample of blood donors may not be representative of the entire US population." (thanks @Newsweek!)

A couple of thoughts...

1. 60 of that 80% number appears to be vax based antibodies (if I'm reading it correctly). If the argument is that the vax is ineffective against Delta (as Mark suggests), this study should be pretty chilling as to the lack of protection.

2. The study concluded pre-delta, but noted that at that time the rate of infection based antibodies was very high in the South. Apparently that hasn't really helped with Delta?
can't be vaxxed antibodies. The vaccines are not covid related.

If it is like the flu in that the mutations are indeed different, then having one flu antibody more than likely does not help against the other flu. That is why when you get your flu shot, sometime you get the flu because they guessed wrong for the year.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-03-2021, 12:54 PM Reply   
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Yes we realize. The plan is to stay isolated until we get a vaccine to everyone who wants one then open up. That's what the government is saying but let's see, governments don't always do what they say but have a pretty good track record with Covid management so far.
as long as you guys are fine with being imprisoned then more power to you.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       09-03-2021, 12:55 PM Reply   
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Dang, and we spent $2 Trillion not getting that $1 trillion in battery making materials.
We apparently spent 2 trillion to get rid of one guy. Told you it was the wrong war. They say there is over 2 trillion in rare earth minerals. Chinese are the new Saudis.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-03-2021, 2:14 PM Reply   
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can't be vaxxed antibodies. The vaccines are not covid related.

If it is like the flu in that the mutations are indeed different, then having one flu antibody more than likely does not help against the other flu. That is why when you get your flu shot, sometime you get the flu because they guessed wrong for the year.
I see you read the study.

The overall infection-induced SARS-CoV-2 seroprevalence estimate increased from 3.5% (95% CI, 3.2%-3.8%) in July 2020 to 20.2% (95% CI, 19.9%-20.6%) in May 2021; the combined infection- and vaccination-induced seroprevalence estimate in May 2021 was 83.3% (95% CI, 82.9%-83.7%). By May 2021, 2.1 SARS-CoV-2 infections (95% CI, 2.0-2.1) per reported COVID-19 case were estimated to have occurred.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-03-2021, 3:25 PM Reply   
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as long as you guys are fine with being imprisoned then more power to you.
Temporarily for the social good, yeah I think that is the right call.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-03-2021, 8:41 PM Reply   
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Temporarily for the social good, yeah I think that is the right call.
Careful with that slippery slope, Ralph. You’re about to look like the opening of the Banana Splits Show. Geez I’m old.
Go to :30
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjKnRV4Dgag

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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-03-2021, 9:09 PM Reply   
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Careful with that slippery slope, Ralph. You’re about to look like the opening of the Banana Splits Show. Geez I’m old.
Go to :30
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjKnRV4Dgag
We have more (possibly misplaced) trust in our politicians than you do there but our political system is definitely less corrupt than yours and our media is less polarized.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-03-2021, 9:12 PM Reply   
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our political system is definitely less corrupt than yours and our media is less polarized.
...and that’s because you don’t have democrats.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-03-2021, 9:57 PM Reply   
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...and that’s because you don’t have democrats.
Worse we have "The NZ Labour party" and "The Greens"
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-04-2021, 7:47 AM Reply   
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Worse we have "The NZ Labour party" and "The Greens"
Sounds scary.
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