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Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-15-2020, 10:09 AM Reply   
Chaz calls fire department to put out a fire, and an ambulance, when someone was overdosing on drugs. Why would we send anything to CHAZ. Let CAHZ deal with it, **** these people
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-15-2020, 11:49 AM Reply   
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You’re just jealous that I’m bilingual and you’re not. “Stewardess, I speak jive” -Airplane
Welcome to 1980.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-15-2020, 11:59 AM Reply   
Dude has it all figured out.
President Trump on Monday downplayed concerns of a rising number of coronavirus cases in states across the country, indicating that the increase was due to more testing.

"If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Trump said during a White House event highlighting administration actions to help senior citizens.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-15-2020, 1:27 PM Reply   
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Very sad, My high school friend, city cop, has stated, any african american criminal is hands off. let the public manage it, its too dangerous to address, and will end in lawsuits, so only non african americans are going to be held to standards. So not even catch and release, just release, just let it go, until the public has had enough. This is crazy
It's just like the meme with the cop I posted last week about it. It's just a matter of time before the whole idea implodes. Same as all liberal/socialist ideas. One thing is for sure. Gun sales will continue to rise and so will vigilanteism, which reminds me, I gotta find my Knights of the Night uniform.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-15-2020, 1:30 PM Reply   
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Chaz calls fire department to put out a fire, and an ambulance, when someone was overdosing on drugs. Why would we send anything to CHAZ. Let CAHZ deal with it, **** these people
Yeah, they are their own autonomous country now. They should have their own services etc. Speaking of which, I can't wait to see what happens when they don't pay the power/water/gas bills.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-15-2020, 1:31 PM Reply   
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That's how Mark likes dick, in and around his face. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I guess.
Still sore that you have no soul, ginger? Sucks to be you.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-15-2020, 1:33 PM Reply   
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Dude has it all figured out.
President Trump on Monday downplayed concerns of a rising number of coronavirus cases in states across the country, indicating that the increase was due to more testing.

"If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Trump said during a White House event highlighting administration actions to help senior citizens.
Big yawn. Most experts have cautiously downplayed it too. Poor little TDS sufferer.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-15-2020, 1:50 PM Reply   
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Dude has it all figured out.
President Trump on Monday downplayed concerns of a rising number of coronavirus cases in states across the country, indicating that the increase was due to more testing.

"If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Trump said during a White House event highlighting administration actions to help senior citizens.
Here. Try this for your TDS. Feel better.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/were-not-...155700846.html
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-15-2020, 2:26 PM Reply   
It's a pretty good trick tho, why not drop all crime statistics to zero by legalizing everything? Could definitely defund the police then. Brilliant!
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-15-2020, 11:42 PM Reply   
Winning!
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-16-2020, 4:55 AM Reply   
So with all the craziness from liberal groups and leaders in this country going on over the last few months, do any of you lefties think you stand a chance in November or did you guys just wake a sleeping giant? Personally, I believe we’ll see record turnouts at the polls, the left will be well represented, but the right will pull it off. In general, the left has gone so far left and revealed their true “character” when in possession of power that it’s scared the normal people.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 5:03 AM Reply   
It will be an interesting one for sure. Hilarious how incumbency is typically an advantage, but with Trump it's basically the opposite. Every time he opens his mouth or does anything he hurts his chances. Completely unfit to lead. As usual it comes down to a handful of states (unless things really go badly for him here in Texas) and how successful the GOP is in suppressing the vote.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 6:39 AM Reply   
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2 lies in two days, i see a trend.
I have seen nothing but lies every single day from you for 3 years. I already told of your trend.

Facts are facts bud. If you are in a group of people and they commit a felony, you as part of that group will be charged. They just did it in new Mexico when a group guarding a statue was arrested when someone and may not even been one of them shot someone. That is the way that works.

Oh..... And who is still the president? you 3 year liar.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 6:44 AM Reply   
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Trump’s Actions Rattle the Military World: ‘I Can’t Support the Man’

The president’s threat to use troops against largely peaceful protesters, as well as other attempts to politicize the military, have unsettled a number of current and former members and their families.

Erin Fangmann grew up in a military family, has been married to a captain in the Air Force for 18 years and has voted Republican all her life, including for Donald J. Trump. But as with a number of other veterans, troops and military family members who have watched the president with alarm, her support has evaporated.

“He has hurt the military,” said Ms. Fangmann, who lives in Arizona, one of several states in play this November with a high percentage of veterans and active-duty service members. “Bringing in active-duty members to the streets was a test to desensitize people to his future use of the military for his personal benefit. I think the silent majority among us is going to swing away.”

Since 2016, Mr. Trump has viewed veterans as a core slice of his base; in that year’s presidential election, about 60 percent voted for him, according to exit polls, and swing-state counties with especially high numbers of veterans helped him win. Many veterans and members of the military stuck with him even as he attacked the Vietnam War record of Senator John McCain, disparaged families of those killed in combat and denigrated generals whom he fired or drove from government service. Some conservative rank-and-file enlisted members silently agreed with Mr. Trump.

But the president’s threat last week to use active-duty troops on American streets against largely peaceful protesters, and his flirtation with invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act, have rattled the military world, from its top leaders to its youngest veterans. If they break in significant numbers, they could carry political weight in key battleground states like Arizona, North Carolina and Ohio.

“I have always been a swing voter,” said Amy Rutkowske, an Army veteran and spouse who lives in North Carolina and is volunteering on a House race, the first time she has ever volunteered in politics. “My fundamental understanding is that the president is the commander in chief and that the office demands respect. But I have never wanted a different commander in chief more.”

Some members of the military — who are not permitted to speak about politics publicly — and their families have been posting critically on social media about the president and policies of his that they once supported. Others, who have never been excited about Mr. Trump as their commander in chief, have begun to speak out, join protests and volunteer for progressive causes.

They say that Mr. Trump has politicized the armed forces — which pride themselves as being above politics and discourage partisan discourse in their ranks — and has threatened the Constitution, both of which they deem as last straws.

Of course, many veterans and military personnel still support Mr. Trump. Quality recent polling on their views is scant, but some have embraced his America-first campaign message, his focus on military spending and his creation of a new Space Force that has been unexpectedly well-received after initial scoffing.

In the 2018 congressional elections, when support for Democrats surged, 58 percent of military voters continued to vote for members of Mr. Trump’s party, according to exit polls. And those who do turn away from the president now will not automatically support his Democratic opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Martin Sepulveda, a former commander in the United States Navy Reserve who lives in Arizona, said of Mr. Trump, “I can’t support the man.” But he added: “Am I a Biden guy? No. I don’t know what I will do. I have been a registered Republican for years.”

But the recent condemnations of Mr. Trump from high-level military veterans like Jim Mattis, the former defense secretary and a retired four-star Marine Corps general, have in some cases fortified the shifting views among military members. “The Mattis statement has changed people in some amazing ways,” said Chelsea Mark, a Marine veteran in Florida who works for a veteran service organization. “I went on a veteran hike recently, and I saw someone wearing a Donald Trump T-shirt, and that same person this week was posting anti-police-brutality things on her Instagram.”

On June 5, the same day the Marines issued a ban on displays of the Confederate battle flag at its installations, a retired Marine in dress uniform stood solo in front of the Utah State Capitol in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, with black duct tape across his mouth that read, “I can’t breathe.”

Mr. Trump’s moves to use the military against American protesters and looters came after several months of other highly unorthodox moves by his administration involving the military, including the clearing of three members of the armed services accused of war crimes; the firing of Capt. Brett E. Crozier after he raised alarms about the coronavirus on the aircraft carrier he commanded; the calling back of West Point students during a pandemic so the president could address them for a graduation, which he is set to do on Saturday; and the diversion of funds from military projects to pay for a border wall, a move that followed the deployment of troops to the border just before the 2018 midterm elections.

“This is the culmination of all those metronomic choices that have intruded into the military chain of command and culture,” said Kori N. Schake, the director of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, who served as a foreign policy adviser on Mr. McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign. “I do think it is likely to chip away among veterans, just as I believe it will chip away at support with Republicans more broadly.”

Mr. Trump’s ordering of the killing of a top Iranian general, which briefly appeared to bring the United States to the edge of war with Iran early this year, was a disappointment to the many veterans and service members who had supported him in part for his promise to end American involvement in overseas conflicts.

“The news of wanting to deploy the military domestically has caused a huge sense of outrage among most families I know,” said Sarah Streyder, the director of the Secure Families Initiative, which advocates diplomacy-first foreign policy and works on behalf of military families. “A lot of military families live on Facebook. Social media is very important for this transient community.”

Numerous military spouses concurred. “From what I see from my friends communicating online, spouses have grown much more vocal in opposition to policies,” said Kate Marsh Lord, a Democrat who is married to a member of the Air Force and lives in Virginia but votes in Ohio. “I have seen more spouses speak out on issues of race and lack of leadership than in my entire 15 years as a military spouse.”

Roughly 40 percent of active-duty service people and reserves are people of color, underlining how the current moment has affected military families.

“People took offense that they were using the military to calm peaceful protests by people of color who were out on the streets,” said Jerry Green, who served in the Army until 1998 and now lives in Tampa. “When I saw that whole thing unfold, for me, personally, it was awful. I was really distraught.” Mr. Green, who is black, will not be supporting Mr. Trump, whom he once found interesting, he said.

In North Carolina, Cal Cunningham, a Democrat and a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army Reserve who is challenging Senator Thom Tillis, a Republican, is working to capitalize on the military and veteran vote in his state, where Mr. Trump recently diverted millions of dollars for military installments to pay for a wall at the Mexican border after Congress blocked its funding.

“Cal’s profile as a military veteran is quite powerful in a state with so many veterans and military members,” said Rachel Petri, a spokeswoman for Mr. Cunningham. “Not only in communicating with them, but also with independent and swing voters who see the military and veterans as part of the state’s DNA.”

Other Democratic groups around the nation are also seeking leverage with the military vote. “We believe that Trump’s support within the military, with military families and with veterans, is soft and receding,” said Jon Soltz, a founder of VoteVets, which has been increasingly successful in electing Democratic veterans. “Our plan for the fall is simple: We’re putting together the most comprehensive data-driven veteran and military family get-out-the-vote operation the Democratic Party has ever seen, and we will deploy it to ensure Donald Trump is a one-term president.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/u...gtype=Homepage
All I see is more useful idiots providing idiotic takes on the president. Trump has not even used active duty military. Other presidents have though.

12 times the president called in the military domestically
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html

1968
Chicago riots following assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.

1968
Washington riots following King's murder

1968
Baltimore riots following King's murder

1970
New York City postal strike

1989
Looting after Hurricane Hugo

1992
Riots after Rodney King verdict
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 6:46 AM Reply   
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Turns out that those people did not even commit a crime. Most were target by democrats and framed by the FBI. More evidence of how dangerous democrats are.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:07 AM Reply   
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Turns out that those people did not even commit a crime. Most were target by democrats and framed by the FBI. More evidence of how dangerous democrats are.


More logic from the guy who thinks you have to commit gay sex acts in order to support gay marriage lol.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:08 AM Reply   
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Very sad, My high school friend, city cop, has stated, any african american criminal is hands off. let the public manage it, its too dangerous to address, and will end in lawsuits, so only non african americans are going to be held to standards. So not even catch and release, just release, just let it go, until the public has had enough. This is crazy
Most cops started this a few years ago after the first BLM (marxist) uprising. They do not show up to non violent calls because they know that this is what happens. Yep, it is going to be the public that has had enough before it gets better. The public will want to crack down again. Then everyone is going to run around and say that cops are racists again. We are basically 1968 again heading to the 70's. Going to be a dark decade coming up. Feels a little bit like 1930's again danger wise based on what I have read of history. Outright communists on the move again (BLM and ANTIFA) who's goal is to completely break down the social order and cops are the front line of the war because they enforce the laws of the ruling class. There is more than likely going to be a right wing response by the end of the decade. 1930's defined by violent political tension. 70's we still did not like commies, but it was a relatively lawless time. Rinse and repeat.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:08 AM Reply   
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More logic from the guy who thinks you have to commit gay sex acts in order to support gay marriage lol.
By the way that you talk about dick slapping, I am pretty sure you have.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 7:11 AM Reply   
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I have seen nothing but lies every single day from you for 3 years. I already told of your trend.

Facts are facts bud. If you are in a group of people and they commit a felony, you as part of that group will be charged. They just did it in new Mexico when a group guarding a statue was arrested when someone and may not even been one of them shot someone. That is the way that works.

Oh..... And who is still the president? you 3 year liar.
Well since you have never been able to point out any lies, even with repeated asking...more BS.
I dont disagree on guilt if you are hanging out with a group of trouble makers, you are one of the trouble makers.
Lets continue your argument. If you hangout with a bunch of felons, you are also a felon. Remember who Mr. Trump surrounds himself with. I guess we agree.

Roger Stone
Paul Manafort
Michael Cohen
Mike Flynn
Popadopoulos
Lev Parnas
Igor Ferman
...
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 7:13 AM Reply   
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Turns out that those people did not even commit a crime. Most were target by democrats and framed by the FBI. More evidence of how dangerous democrats are.
Why did most plead guilty?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:13 AM Reply   
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It will be an interesting one for sure. Hilarious how incumbency is typically an advantage, but with Trump it's basically the opposite. Every time he opens his mouth or does anything he hurts his chances. Completely unfit to lead. As usual it comes down to a handful of states (unless things really go badly for him here in Texas) and how successful the GOP is in suppressing the vote.
Not too worried. Most of the marxist bump is going to be overplayed. BLM has already taken over the democrat party and they believe that all the people in the streets are their supporters. While there are many, there were a lot of people just pissed off in general by the COVID situation. When football players and the NFL go back to disrepecting the flag, BLM marxist talking points get said over and over again, these big cities defund their police, crime takes off again, etc; the momentum will shift back.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:13 AM Reply   
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By the way that you talk about dick slapping, I am pretty sure you have.
Poor Rod, doesn't even realize dicks are employed in heterosexual sex acts too (just not when it comes to hypocritical christians like mark getting slapped by Gorsuch lol)
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:16 AM Reply   
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Why did most plead guilty?
Their lawyers suggested it. You know, the whole we are going to give you 35 years in jail unless you confess to such and such, then we will give you a suspended sentence or a much reduced sentence. Of course authoritarians like you can not understand that. Many times people are not guilty, they just do not have the resources to fight so they end up in jail.


Kind of funny you and the other marxist have dried up now that it is coming out more and more what the FBI did and how they got their warrants. More info is coming out. There are most likely going to be arrests made.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 7:16 AM Reply   
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Not too worried. Most of the marxist bump is going to be overplayed. BLM has already taken over the democrat party and they believe that all the people in the streets are their supporters. While there are many, there were a lot of people just pissed off in general by the COVID situation. When football players and the NFL go back to disrepecting the flag, BLM marxist talking points get said over and over again, these big cities defund their police, crime takes off again, etc; the momentum will shift back.
No one is dis-respecting the flag. You are conflating a simple issue.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:18 AM Reply   
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Their lawyers suggested it. You know, the whole we are going to give you 35 years in jail unless you confess to such and such, then we will give you a suspended sentence or a much reduced sentence.
Kind of funny you and the other marxist have dried up now that it is coming out more and more what the FBI did and how they got their warrants. More info is coming out. There are most likely going to be arrests made.
Just like that Ben Ghazi guy, amiright? What's he up to these days? BUTTERY MALES!
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:19 AM Reply   
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Poor Rod, doesn't even realize dicks are employed in heterosexual sex acts too (just not when it comes to hypocritical christians like mark getting slapped by Gorsuch lol)
No, I am pretty sure dudes don't talk about dicks. You really need to get out more. Dicks are very much not on on the man card talking point agenda.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:23 AM Reply   
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No, I am pretty sure dudes don't talk about dicks. You really need to get out more. Dicks are very much not on on the man card talking point agenda.
Sure they do, they probably just wait until you're out of earshot. "Man, Rod sure is a dick."
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:25 AM Reply   
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No one is dis-respecting the flag. You are conflating a simple issue.
That talking point is a lie to. If it was not about the flag and the anthem, then why did they choose to do it then? They chose to do it then because they knew that is when they were going to piss people off. You think them burning down buildings was about the buildings? It is to create an emotion. kneeling during the anthem is done to create an emotion. To get under peoples skin. Say it has nothing to do with the anthem and flag is lying to yourself. It is done specifically at that time to piss everyone off. They knew that was maximum effect. They only say it is not about the anthem or flag because in their mind it is not. It is about pissing you off, they don't give 2 ****s about the flag or anthem so they technically are correct.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-16-2020, 7:27 AM Reply   
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Their lawyers suggested it. You know, the whole we are going to give you 35 years in jail unless you confess to such and such, then we will give you a suspended sentence or a much reduced sentence. Of course authoritarians like you can not understand that. Many times people are not guilty, they just do not have the resources to fight so they end up in jail.


Kind of funny you and the other marxist have dried up now that it is coming out more and more what the FBI did and how they got their warrants. More info is coming out. There are most likely going to be arrests made.
You realize that when a defendant pleads guilty that there is a canvas of the defendant where they must affirmatively admit their crime in court, right? So are you suggesting that each of those folks perjured themselves when they admitted guilt?

lol, let me guess... "a perjury trap! I knew it!"
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:27 AM Reply   
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Sure they do, they probably just wait until you're out of earshot. "Man, Rod sure is a dick."
I will tell them to their face that I am a dick. I have no issues with that. that way we all know where we are coming from, but we still don't talk about a proper penis. It is in paragraph 3 section 2 of the man card.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:30 AM Reply   
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You realize that when a defendant pleads guilty that there is a canvas of the defendant where they must affirmatively admit their crime in court, right? So are you suggesting that each of those folks perjured themselves when they admitted guilt?

lol, let me guess... "a perjury trap! I knew it!"
ding ding ding
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:32 AM Reply   
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You realize that when a defendant pleads guilty that there is a canvas of the defendant where they must affirmatively admit their crime in court, right? So are you suggesting that each of those folks perjured themselves when they admitted guilt?

lol, let me guess... "a perjury trap! I knew it!"
Yep. You know as well as I do that is how many, many poor people end up in jail. The government does not have same legal jeopardy to make up charges that may or may not be true. They throw together a bunch of stuff to hit a defendant with in hopes they can get a lesser charge to stick. Happens thousands of times a week. When given an option of a decades vs months in jail, months does not seem like a bad alternative. We all know justice is not blind. In many cases it is a crap shoot. I have been in jury selection and I do not trust the jury of my peers.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:32 AM Reply   
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I will tell them to their face that I am a dick. I have no issues with that. that way we all know where we are coming from, but we still don't talk about a proper penis. It is in paragraph 3 section 2 of the man card.
whoa whoa whoa easy with the P word there Roddy Rod - someone might think you finished elementary school!
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:33 AM Reply   
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Yep. You know as well as I do that is how many, many poor people end up in jail. The government does not have same legal jeopardy to make up charges that may or may not be true. They throw together a bunch of stuff to hit a defendant with in hopes they can get a lesser charge to stick. Happens thousands of times a week. When given an option of a decades vs months in jail, months does not seem like a bad alternative. We all know justice is not blind. In many cases it is a crap shoot. I have been in jury selection and I do not trust the jury of my peers.
Just goes to show how incredibly sneaky Hillary Clinton is to somehow magically avoid the same fate lol
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 7:33 AM Reply   
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Their lawyers suggested it. You know, the whole we are going to give you 35 years in jail unless you confess to such and such, then we will give you a suspended sentence or a much reduced sentence.
Kind of funny you and the other marxist have dried up now that it is coming out more and more what the FBI did and how they got their warrants. More info is coming out. There are most likely going to be arrests made.
If they were innocent why not go to trial? Who got suspended sentence? 7 years for manafort, 3 for Cohen...
You have been waiting a long time for that "Durham" investigation. What were the results of all the other GOP investigations on Clinton 8-9 times emails, the server, Benghazi? Uranium One? ... Comey? Hunter Biden? Obamagate? The Voter Fraud investigation? Lisa Page? Peter Strzok? Andrew McCabe? James Baker? .....? Funny, none of them needed to plead guilty, did they?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-16-2020, 7:37 AM Reply   
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Yep. You know as well as I do that is how many, many poor people end up in jail. The government does not have same legal jeopardy to make up charges that may or may not be true. They throw together a bunch of stuff to hit a defendant with in hopes they can get a lesser charge to stick. Happens thousands of times a week. When given an option of a decades vs months in jail, months does not seem like a bad alternative. We all know justice is not blind. In many cases it is a crap shoot. I have been in jury selection and I do not trust the jury of my peers.
Assume all you say is true.

These folks are not poor and were each represented by very effective counsel.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 7:38 AM Reply   
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Yep. You know as well as I do that is how many, many poor people end up in jail. The government does not have same legal jeopardy to make up charges that may or may not be true. They throw together a bunch of stuff to hit a defendant with in hopes they can get a lesser charge to stick. Happens thousands of times a week. When given an option of a decades vs months in jail, months does not seem like a bad alternative. We all know justice is not blind. In many cases it is a crap shoot. I have been in jury selection and I do not trust the jury of my peers.
Seems like the law works better for rich folks than the regular folks. Careful, you sound like a BLM proponent.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-16-2020, 7:42 AM Reply   
Nah, clearly it only works for democrats (and RINOs)... REAL repubs are the real victims of the justice system
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:50 AM Reply   
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Assume all you say is true.

These folks are not poor and were each represented by very effective counsel.
and, are these people rich compared to the federal goverment? Flynn had to sell everything he owned and is still racking up bills. His original lawyers did not dig and did the ol, better take this deal versing going to trial approach. His second set of lawyers threw up the BS flag and it turns out they were correct. He was put in jeopardy by a law enforcement organization that had no legal mandate to even contact him, then purposely changed what he said on the recorded paperwork and then said he lied to them. What would you do? Tell the FBI they made a mistake? Try and convince people that you were caught up in some big conspiracy at the highest levels of government with no evidence or no way to get that evidence at the time of your legal fight? No, you take the deal at the time. No it turns out it was a conspiracy at the highest levels of government and he was just a pawn.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:52 AM Reply   
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Seems like the law works better for rich folks than the regular folks. Careful, you sound like a BLM proponent.
I am a realist. It happened to my brother. I know how this crap works. You would never see me be a BLM proponent, unlike that band of marxists, I have talked for years about how black lives do not mater to blacks or democrat politicians who use them for votes.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 7:56 AM Reply   
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If they were innocent why not go to trial? Who got suspended sentence? 7 years for manafort, 3 for Cohen...
You have been waiting a long time for that "Durham" investigation. What were the results of all the other GOP investigations on Clinton 8-9 times emails, the server, Benghazi? Uranium One? ... Comey? Hunter Biden? Obamagate? The Voter Fraud investigation? Lisa Page? Peter Strzok? Andrew McCabe? James Baker? .....? Funny, none of them needed to plead guilty, did they?
Clinton should have been in prison for destroying her cell phones. If you or I did that, we would be in jail right now. if any of us had purposely misused or mis-stored classified material, we would have been fired and very possibly brought up on charges. Pure and simple.

Strzok and Page got fired and they could still be in legal jeopardy. Comey too. Wheels of justice move slow. That is why you know it is a setup when they rush you in for a show trial.

Who is your president again?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 7:58 AM Reply   
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and, are these people rich compared to the federal goverment? Flynn had to sell everything he owned and is still racking up bills. His original lawyers did not dig and did the ol, better take this deal versing going to trial approach. His second set of lawyers threw up the BS flag and it turns out they were correct. He was put in jeopardy by a law enforcement organization that had no legal mandate to even contact him, then purposely changed what he said on the recorded paperwork and then said he lied to them. What would you do? Tell the FBI they made a mistake? Try and convince people that you were caught up in some big conspiracy at the highest levels of government with no evidence or no way to get that evidence at the time of your legal fight? No, you take the deal at the time. No it turns out it was a conspiracy at the highest levels of government and he was just a pawn.
Perhaps he should not have been calling the Russian ambassador so often, coulda saved on the phone bill. Can you document any of the rest of your post, sounds like emotional dribble. I think it may be legal for the FBI to check in on Nat'l Security advisors to future POTUS on the phone negotiating reduced sanctions with Russia especially when they are not in power.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 8:02 AM Reply   
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Perhaps he should not have been calling the Russian ambassador so often, coulda saved on the phone bill. Can you document any of the rest of your post, sounds like emotional dribble. I think it may be legal for the FBI to check in on Nat'l Security advisors to future POTUS on the phone negotiating reduced sanctions with Russia especially when they are not in power.
He was part of the transition team. Happens every single time there is a transition. The next administration makes connections and preliminary tasks at hand so they hit the ground running. Obama on the other hand clearly had it out for this guy and it looks to be well documented that he did not like him or his policies.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 8:04 AM Reply   
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Clinton should have been in prison for destroying her cell phones. If you or I did that, we would be in jail right now. if any of us had purposely misused or mis-stored classified material, we would have been fired and very possibly brought up on charges. Pure and simple.

Strzok and Page got fired and they could still be in legal jeopardy. Comey too. Wheels of justice move slow. That is why you know it is a setup when they rush you in for a show trial.

Who is your president again?
You keep making the point the law works better for those not poor. Kinda like what all the political unrest is about. If it does not work for the poor the same as it does for rich then it is an unjust system. Pure and Simple.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 8:12 AM Reply   
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You keep making the point the law works better for those not poor. Kinda like what all the political unrest is about. If it does not work for the poor the same as it does for rich then it is an unjust system. Pure and Simple.
Every system is unjust at some level. That's why as a poorer person in this country I am not out gang banging, selling drugs, in prostitution rings and so on. When rarely pulled over my windows are down and hands are on the wheel, I am respectful as I can be even though I am internal pissed as heck if I feel it was unjust.

Difference is, I am not out pushing marxist ideas and holding up felons as my heros.

Also, love this whole black people being hunted bull crap. You know who feel hunted every day? Women! They have to be afraid of every male of any color. Black people are not seen as an object like women are. Women to this very day in the US are kidnapped and put into sex slavery. Heck, black males even got the right to vote before women.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 8:15 AM Reply   
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He was part of the transition team. Happens every single time there is a transition. The next administration makes connections and preliminary tasks at hand so they hit the ground running. Obama on the other hand clearly had it out for this guy and it looks to be well documented that he did not like him or his policies.
Happens every single time?
Obama had just put sanctions on Russia for interfering in the US election to elect trump. Kicked out several dozen Russians, took property and set up sanctions for their actions. Flynn was on the phone telling them Trump would reduce sanctions, be nice. Russians were being punished, Flynn wanted to sell out the country and assist them. Thats going against official US Policy....not tasks at hand. If trump were interested in hitting the ground running perhaps he would have used the time to work instead of doing a campaign rehash tour to 9 states that first month, dont you think? Maybe he would not have had 50% vacancy in administration the first several months. Of course not, obama fired Flynn, he warned trump. Trump didnt listen yet still had to fire Flynn 3 weeks later. Flynn sold the country out for Turkish $, he isnt a hero or a patriot, traitor.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 8:39 AM Reply   
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Happens every single time?
Obama had just put sanctions on Russia for interfering in the US election to elect trump. Kicked out several dozen Russians, took property and set up sanctions for their actions. Flynn was on the phone telling them Trump would reduce sanctions, be nice. Russians were being punished, Flynn wanted to sell out the country and assist them. Thats going against official US Policy....not tasks at hand. If trump were interested in hitting the ground running perhaps he would have used the time to work instead of doing a campaign rehash tour to 9 states that first month, dont you think? Maybe he would not have had 50% vacancy in administration the first several months. Of course not, obama fired Flynn, he warned trump. Trump didnt listen yet still had to fire Flynn 3 weeks later. Flynn sold the country out for Turkish $, he isnt a hero or a patriot, traitor.
Well, if the transcripts were not released, you could almost get away with that lying hogwash (well except those of us who knows your agenda already). The transcripts while dealing with their ambassador and not someone who actually makes law, is that russia would be wise to only counter with like recourse against us and not get into a escalating war with the US. That actually sounds like wise advice and not some covert sabotage of Obama soon to be defunct foreign policy decisions.

You really think the president or president elect has all these conversation with every single person around the world during transition? I have a bridge to sell you. Flynn as part of the transition team had every right to speak to others in the name of the on coming presidential team and the likes of Obama whether he liked the guy or not. Warned Trump or not, had zero right or legal authority to get the FBI to run a illegal sting operation on the Trump administration or anyone in his team. That is what the truth of the mater is coming out. It was done intentionally to hamstring Trump during his presidency and you democrats are dangerous to our democracy.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 9:01 AM Reply   
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Well, if the transcripts were not released, you could almost get away with that lying hogwash (well except those of us who knows your agenda already). The transcripts while dealing with their ambassador and not someone who actually makes law, is that russia would be wise to only counter with like recourse against us and not get into a escalating war with the US. That actually sounds like wise advice and not some covert sabotage of Obama soon to be defunct foreign policy decisions.

You really think the president or president elect has all these conversation with every single person around the world during transition? I have a bridge to sell you. Flynn as part of the transition team had every right to speak to others in the name of the on coming presidential team and the likes of Obama whether he liked the guy or not. Warned Trump or not, had zero right or legal authority to get the FBI to run a illegal sting operation on the Trump administration or anyone in his team. That is what the truth of the mater is coming out. It was done intentionally to hamstring Trump during his presidency and you democrats are dangerous to our democracy.
An illegal sting huh?
If what Flynn did was so routine...why did he lie? The GOP investigation concluded, the FBI had good reason to initiate investigation. thats what the report said, isnt it. Facts matter.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 10:16 AM Reply   
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An illegal sting huh?
If what Flynn did was so routine...why did he lie? The GOP investigation concluded, the FBI had good reason to initiate investigation. thats what the report said, isnt it. Facts matter.
Actually, as they are rehashing the illegally tampered interview transcripts of Flynn and other now purposely misinformed FISA warrant applications, the head of the FBI now says knowing what they know now they NEVER would have authorized the surveillance.

Rosenstein testifies he would not have signed FISA warrant for Trump aide if he knew of problems

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ros...-fisa-problems

Graham also prompted Rosenstein to acknowledge there was scant collusion evidence in August 2017.

"The whole concept that the campaign was colluding with the Russians, there was no there there in August 2017. Do you agree with that statement?" he asked.

Rosenstein replied: "I agree with that general statement."

August 2017 is when Rosenstein penned the “scope memo” for Mueller’s investigation, which outlined the authority of Mueller. Last month, the memo was released in full, and revealed for the first time that Mueller’s authority went significantly beyond what was previously known.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-16-2020, 10:19 AM Reply   
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An illegal sting huh?
If what Flynn did was so routine...why did he lie? The GOP investigation concluded, the FBI had good reason to initiate investigation. thats what the report said, isnt it. Facts matter.
Also, he did not lie. The FBI changed their notes then told Flynn he lied. Do you remember every single thing you say to someone and what the context was especially when it is also on record in the FBI's own notes leading into the investigation that they were either going to try and get Flynn fired or get him to lie so they could prosecute him. That is pretty damning and should scare the crap out of any citizen that such a powerful government agency had a predetermined plan to destroy someone. Of course, mini fascists like you approve but I do not.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-16-2020, 10:41 AM Reply   
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Also, he did not lie. The FBI changed their notes then told Flynn he lied. Do you remember every single thing you say to someone and what the context was especially when it is also on record in the FBI's own notes leading into the investigation that they were either going to try and get Flynn fired or get him to lie so they could prosecute him. That is pretty damning and should scare the crap out of any citizen that such a powerful government agency had a predetermined plan to destroy someone. Of course, mini fascists like you approve but I do not.
Read what Flynn told the court after he was sworn. Starts at about page 7 of the pdf. If we wasn't guilty then he sure lied to the Court somewhere in there.

Maybe here:

THE COURT: Do you have any concerns that you entered your
guilty plea before you or your attorneys were able to review
information that could have been helpful to your defense?
THE DEFENDANT: No, Your Honor.



Maybe here?

THE COURT: At the time of your January 24th, 2017
interview with the FBI, were you not aware that lying to FBI
investigators was a federal crime?
THE DEFENDANT: I was not -- I was aware.
THE COURT: You were aware?
THE DEFENDANT: Yeah.


Maybe this part?

THE COURT: Your sentencing memorandum also states that
you pled guilty before certain, quote, revelations that certain
FBI officials involved in the January the 24th interview were
themselves being investigated for misconduct, end quote. Do you
seek an opportunity to withdraw your plea in light of those
revelations?
THE DEFENDANT: I do not, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Now, again, at any time -- I
should have said this before I started asking questions, but
knowing what I was going to do, to have this colloquy with you,
I've made arrangements for a private room for you and your
attorneys to talk about any of these questions and your answers.
So, even though I've taken a number of answers from you, if you
want -- if you want that opportunity to speak privately with your
attorneys, then I'll certainly afford you that opportunity as
well. Would you like to do that?
THE DEFENDANT: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Are you satisfied with the
services provided by your attorneys?
THE DEFENDANT: I am.


Maybe it was here?

THE COURT: Do you feel that you were competent and
capable of entering into a guilty plea when you pled guilty on
December 1st, 2017?
THE DEFENDANT: I do, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you understand the nature of the charges
against you and the consequences of pleading guilty?
THE DEFENDANT: I do understand, Your Honor.
THE COURT: And that was covered extensively by Judge
Contreras. I've read the transcript.
Are you continuing to accept responsibility for your false
statements?
THE DEFENDANT: I am, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you still want to plead guilty, or do you
want me to postpone this matter, give you a chance to speak with
your attorneys further, either in the courtroom or privately at
their office or elsewhere, and pick another day for a status
conference? And I'm happy to do that.
THE DEFENDANT: I appreciate that, but no, Your Honor.




https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...Sentencing.pdf
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-16-2020, 10:54 AM Reply   
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Actually, as they are rehashing the illegally tampered interview transcripts of Flynn and other now purposely misinformed FISA warrant applications, the head of the FBI now says knowing what they know now they NEVER would have authorized the surveillance.

Rosenstein testifies he would not have signed FISA warrant for Trump aide if he knew of problems

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ros...-fisa-problems

Graham also prompted Rosenstein to acknowledge there was scant collusion evidence in August 2017.

"The whole concept that the campaign was colluding with the Russians, there was no there there in August 2017. Do you agree with that statement?" he asked.

Rosenstein replied: "I agree with that general statement."

August 2017 is when Rosenstein penned the “scope memo” for Mueller’s investigation, which outlined the authority of Mueller. Last month, the memo was released in full, and revealed for the first time that Mueller’s authority went significantly beyond what was previously known.
Trump aide, Carter Page. Your FISA source is for Carter Page, not Flynn. Do you know how many times Flynn spoke with Russians? What he said? Traitor.
Are you trying to suggest Mueller acted beyond his authority? or that Rosenstein gave him more power? or just blabbering, either way... more nothing.
Next.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       06-16-2020, 1:07 PM Reply   
call a social worker. It’s only a domestic disturbance

https://mobile.twitter.com/realjames...28070333161472
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-16-2020, 2:22 PM Reply   
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call a social worker. It’s only a domestic disturbance

https://mobile.twitter.com/realjames...28070333161472
he then go his ass kicked after beating her. Its so sad, really terrible to see
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-16-2020, 2:49 PM Reply   
The Walrus of Baltimore John Bolton is hawking his book about, giving interviews about his time serving the Orange Messiah, who thinks Bolton is a complete RINO and democratic stooge with silly hair cut and false mustache? It's something to consider.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-16-2020, 3:33 PM Reply   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGO1HYAEOuo

She shut them up and shut them down.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-16-2020, 6:32 PM Reply   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGO1HYAEOuo

She shut them up and shut them down.
Love to see dems exposed for the continuation of effective slavery that they’re still guilty of. Trump needs to put these asshat dems on front street. Just the fact that they’ve had over 50 years of broken promises alone should be plenty. Maybe a simple reminder that almost all of these police brutality cases are happening in libtard-controlled areas will be enough. He has so many potential talking points that all point in his favor. This is a largely untapped gold mine for Republicans.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-16-2020, 6:41 PM Reply   
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Sure they do, they probably just wait until you're out of earshot. "Man, Rod sure is a dick."
Pretty funny watching you try to pull your foot out of your mouth and diffuse your earlier, stupid, homosexually-wanting comments. Multiple swings and misses. Derp! Might wanna reconsider future comments like that and admit that you’re bad at this. You have been weighed and measured.......and you have been found wanting.....
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-16-2020, 6:51 PM Reply   
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call a social worker. It’s only a domestic disturbance

https://mobile.twitter.com/realjames...28070333161472
That’s awful.

You do a great job of pointing things out from a LEO’s as well as a common sense perspective. You’re like kryptonite to WW libtards.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-17-2020, 2:55 AM Reply   
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I will tell them to their face that I am a dick. I have no issues with that. that way we all know where we are coming from, but we still don't talk about a proper penis. It is in paragraph 3 section 2 of the man card.
You HARD right republicans have been talking Cock for Most of this thread, so don't even bring out the man card!
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       06-17-2020, 3:16 AM Reply   
This is pretty much how every stop goes nowadays. Unfortunately the media will never play the 100’s of videos a day that look exactly like this. This all starts because a woman is being beat in the car right in front of the officers. I am sure the discussion of disproportionate domestic abuse situations involving black men is right around the corner. Prime example of how police can’t win anymore ....damed if you do. Damed if you don’t.


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...rrest/2290052/

Last edited by xstarrider; 06-17-2020 at 3:23 AM.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-17-2020, 4:30 AM Reply   
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call a social worker. It’s only a domestic disturbance

https://mobile.twitter.com/realjames...28070333161472
If you watched the whole video you would have seen the social workers show up and take care of business.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-17-2020, 4:47 AM Reply   
Looks like all will be well now. They’ve decided to rename Uncle Ben’s.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/uncle...133237456.html
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 4:56 AM Reply   
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Just goes to show how incredibly sneaky Hillary Clinton is to somehow magically avoid the same fate lol
Not magic. We all know how that works.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 5:05 AM Reply   
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Read what Flynn told the court after he was sworn. Starts at about page 7 of the pdf. If we wasn't guilty then he sure lied to the Court somewhere in there.

Maybe here:

THE COURT: Do you have any concerns that you entered your
guilty plea before you or your attorneys were able to review
information that could have been helpful to your defense?
THE DEFENDANT: No, Your Honor.



Maybe here?

THE COURT: At the time of your January 24th, 2017
interview with the FBI, were you not aware that lying to FBI
investigators was a federal crime?
THE DEFENDANT: I was not -- I was aware.
THE COURT: You were aware?
THE DEFENDANT: Yeah.


Maybe this part?

THE COURT: Your sentencing memorandum also states that
you pled guilty before certain, quote, revelations that certain
FBI officials involved in the January the 24th interview were
themselves being investigated for misconduct, end quote. Do you
seek an opportunity to withdraw your plea in light of those
revelations?
THE DEFENDANT: I do not, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Now, again, at any time -- I
should have said this before I started asking questions, but
knowing what I was going to do, to have this colloquy with you,
I've made arrangements for a private room for you and your
attorneys to talk about any of these questions and your answers.
So, even though I've taken a number of answers from you, if you
want -- if you want that opportunity to speak privately with your
attorneys, then I'll certainly afford you that opportunity as
well. Would you like to do that?
THE DEFENDANT: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Are you satisfied with the
services provided by your attorneys?
THE DEFENDANT: I am.


Maybe it was here?

THE COURT: Do you feel that you were competent and
capable of entering into a guilty plea when you pled guilty on
December 1st, 2017?
THE DEFENDANT: I do, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you understand the nature of the charges
against you and the consequences of pleading guilty?
THE DEFENDANT: I do understand, Your Honor.
THE COURT: And that was covered extensively by Judge
Contreras. I've read the transcript.
Are you continuing to accept responsibility for your false
statements?
THE DEFENDANT: I am, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you still want to plead guilty, or do you
want me to postpone this matter, give you a chance to speak with
your attorneys further, either in the courtroom or privately at
their office or elsewhere, and pick another day for a status
conference? And I'm happy to do that.
THE DEFENDANT: I appreciate that, but no, Your Honor.




https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...Sentencing.pdf
Of course, this is how these things go down. The court reads stuff to you and you have to agree when you do a plea deal and advised at the time by your lawyers. They were threatening to go after his kid and they bankrupted him. What are you supposed to do? They find out something was up. Find out the FBI lied, changed a transcript, and actually were going after him for a hit so to speak. I know you little fascist love some good ol authoritarian bs, but I don't want to live in your world and will fight you every step of the way.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-17-2020, 5:31 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier View Post
Of course, this is how these things go down. The court reads stuff to you and you have to agree when you do a plea deal and advised at the time by your lawyers. They were threatening to go after his kid and they bankrupted him. What are you supposed to do? They find out something was up. Find out the FBI lied, changed a transcript, and actually were going after him for a hit so to speak. I know you little fascist love some good ol authoritarian bs, but I don't want to live in your world and will fight you every step of the way.

You realize that this went down after each of the things you allege was discovered and they the judge agreed to give more time to evaluate the new revelations, right?

Advising the guy to hold out because maybe the Attorney General will decide to cause the DOJ to walk away from the case at the 11th hour and 59th minute would be the epitome of malpractice for his lawyers. He lied to the FBI and admitted that he did so.

He also got fired because he lied to pence, who then went on the Sunday shows and repeated Flynn’s lies.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 5:44 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
This is pretty much how every stop goes nowadays. Unfortunately the media will never play the 100’s of videos a day that look exactly like this. This all starts because a woman is being beat in the car right in front of the officers. I am sure the discussion of disproportionate domestic abuse situations involving black men is right around the corner. Prime example of how police can’t win anymore ....damed if you do. Damed if you don’t.


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...rrest/2290052/
Now, now, now.... don't start talking about women. That only confuses liberals. Women have it way worse than black men and all men to be honest.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 5:48 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by shawndoggy View Post
You realize that this went down after each of the things you allege was discovered and they the judge agreed to give more time to evaluate the new revelations, right?

Advising the guy to hold out because maybe the Attorney General will decide to cause the DOJ to walk away from the case at the 11th hour and 59th minute would be the epitome of malpractice for his lawyers. He lied to the FBI and admitted that he did so.

He also got fired because he lied to pence, who then went on the Sunday shows and repeated Flynn’s lies.
Never said he was a wonderful man who did not deserve to get fired. I said the government went after him, lied, tried to get his kid, bankrupted him and used party of this to try and accuse Trump of working with the Russians and poisoning any reasonable political discourse in this country. The people who were supposed to be the gate keepers were weaponized to go after a political rival just like they did with the IRS to Republicans. That should scare the living **** out of you.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-17-2020, 6:00 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier View Post
Of course, this is how these things go down. The court reads stuff to you and you have to agree when you do a plea deal and advised at the time by your lawyers. They were threatening to go after his kid and they bankrupted him. What are you supposed to do? They find out something was up. Find out the FBI lied, changed a transcript, and actually were going after him for a hit so to speak. I know you little fascist love some good ol authoritarian bs, but I don't want to live in your world and will fight you every step of the way.
Which of the 8 times the judge asked him if he was sure he understood what he was doing did the judge pull a fast one on him? Do you know why they went after his son? Maybe it wasnt a good idea to appoint his unqualified son to a position, CEO of his company if he didnt want him involved. Sounds like that loser Hunter Biden, right? Except Biden found his own job not just nepotism like Flynn, Trumps... Remember 2 days ago when you spoke of being guilty based on who you surround yourself with? Hang with felons, you, most likely are one too. Short term memory loss?
No, it was Flynn who lied, FBI is law and order, remember? You are fighting another losing battle, stop digging. Facts matter, not your emotional pointless, fact less pleas.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 6:07 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by 95sn View Post
Which of the 8 times the judge asked him if he was sure he understood what he was doing did the judge pull a fast one on him? Do you know why they went after his son? Maybe it wasnt a good idea to appoint his unqualified son to a position, CEO of his company if he didnt want him involved. Sounds like that loser Hunter Biden, right? Except Biden found his own job not just nepotism like Flynn, Trumps... Remember 2 days ago when you spoke of being guilty based on who you surround yourself with? Hang with felons, you, most likely are one too. Short term memory loss?
No, it was Flynn who lied, FBI is law and order, remember? You are fighting another losing battle, stop digging. Facts matter, not your emotional pointless, fact less pleas.
What was he supposed to say during a plea deal. No I do not understand but F it, I will take the deal anyway. How stupid are you?

So, it is ok to go after people who appoint their kids to unqualified positions huh? So if you a political opponent puts in a child who you feel is not qualified, you can threaten the child with jail to get to the father? Good to know.

Facts matter? 3 plus years of fact are beating the **** out of you. Who is your president?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-17-2020, 6:22 AM Reply   
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Never said he was a wonderful man who did not deserve to get fired. I said the government went after him, lied, tried to get his kid, bankrupted him and used party of this to try and accuse Trump of working with the Russians and poisoning any reasonable political discourse in this country. The people who were supposed to be the gate keepers were weaponized to go after a political rival just like they did with the IRS to Republicans. That should scare the living **** out of you.
They didnt "try" to accuse trump of working with Russians. Trumps campaign WAS working with Russians and used their help to get elected. How do you have over 200 contacts with Russians during your campaign if you arnt working with them? 1,2, 3, yeah maybe that can be explained. Not 240 contacts. No reason to set up back channel communications if you arnt doing anything wrong. Its isnt political for US Govt agencies to investigate a presidential candidate, whos campaign people keep ending up on calls to foreign rivals, is it? These US Govt agencies are constantly listening in to our rivals, yet Trump people were on the other end of the call. Eventually they have to see what is up, dont you agree that is their job? If you are in charge of FBI and Clinton, Obama, Biden... is communicating with foreign rivals and using their intel in their election, what you gonna do?
All the parties involved in the investigation were Republicans not Dems. Your arguments fail miserably. Comey, Republican the guy who was openly investigating Clinton During the election, ruining her chances, ie assisting trump. Comey came out of the Bush Admin. Rod Rosenstein, Republican, appointed by Republican Jeff Sessions. Rosenstein appointed Mueller and gave him a very narrow area he could investigate. Mueller also a republican. There sure are a lot of evil Republicans involved in your insane conspiracy theory. All these guys have been life long republicans and they were weaponized? How? Paid off? Blackmailed? How did this magic happen?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-17-2020, 6:43 AM Reply   
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What was he supposed to say during a plea deal. No I do not understand but F it, I will take the deal anyway. How stupid are you?

So, it is ok to go after people who appoint their kids to unqualified positions huh? So if you a political opponent puts in a child who you feel is not qualified, you can threaten the child with jail to get to the father? Good to know.

Facts matter? 3 plus years of fact are beating the **** out of you. Who is your president?
Im not stupid. He got off ALL the other Felony charges they had on him, thats why there was a plea deal. The Turkish Govt paid him half a $ Million to write an oped to make Turkey look good, he was not registered as a foreign agent. Turkey offered him $15 Million to assist them in kidnapping a cleric in the US that Turkey wanted to murder. Those charges were all dropped in the plea deal.
You tell me, they went after Hunter Biden pretty hard havnt they? Isnt this EXACTLY what Trumps lawyers tried to do during his impeachment? Hammer Hunter Biden? Go after "the child" and threaten with jail. Need documentation? That is precisely what Trumps lawyers did because of the "Perfect call". This is the Trump way, lie, blame anyone else.
A child? Really? He is thirty- Fing four. A 34 year old child? More emotional BS from you. A Child, lol.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-17-2020, 7:15 AM Reply   
Rod explains nothing lol. "We all know how Clinton got off." Your horse**** is laughable.

Also, Boogaloo Bois doing their best to incite civil war - Rod must be proud since he's been calling for it the last few years here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53076159
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-17-2020, 7:44 AM Reply   
lil american history

Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 8:08 AM Reply   
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Rod explains nothing lol. "We all know how Clinton got off." Your horse**** is laughable.

Also, Boogaloo Bois doing their best to incite civil war - Rod must be proud since he's been calling for it the last few years here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53076159
Not proud. Just know how this is going to happen. I know how I feel about you guys and what I would do to you if you said some of the things to my face, it is a very easy extrapolation on what is going on in the rest of the country. Even Dave Chappell said that if things don't change that there is basically going to be a war at the end of his new little special on youtube. I agree. There is going to be a war. There is only going to be so much left wing violence against republicans before someone is going to fight back.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-17-2020, 8:15 AM Reply   
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Not proud. Just know how this is going to happen. I know how I feel about you guys and what I would do to you if you said some of the things to my face, it is a very easy extrapolation on what is going on in the rest of the country. Even Dave Chappell said that if things don't change that there is basically going to be a war at the end of his new little special on youtube. I agree. There is going to be a war. There is only going to be so much left wing violence against republicans before someone is going to fight back.
You and a whole lot of other angry, twisted nuts and boogaloo bois have created this absurd fantasy in your mind (fueled by a whole lot of actual fake news) in order to justify your hatred. The funny part that per usual your ridiculous arguments are complete contradictions:
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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 8:19 AM Reply   
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They didnt "try" to accuse trump of working with Russians. Trumps campaign WAS working with Russians and used their help to get elected. How do you have over 200 contacts with Russians during your campaign if you arnt working with them? 1,2, 3, yeah maybe that can be explained. Not 240 contacts. No reason to set up back channel communications if you arnt doing anything wrong. Its isnt political for US Govt agencies to investigate a presidential candidate, whos campaign people keep ending up on calls to foreign rivals, is it? These US Govt agencies are constantly listening in to our rivals, yet Trump people were on the other end of the call. Eventually they have to see what is up, dont you agree that is their job? If you are in charge of FBI and Clinton, Obama, Biden... is communicating with foreign rivals and using their intel in their election, what you gonna do?
All the parties involved in the investigation were Republicans not Dems. Your arguments fail miserably. Comey, Republican the guy who was openly investigating Clinton During the election, ruining her chances, ie assisting trump. Comey came out of the Bush Admin. Rod Rosenstein, Republican, appointed by Republican Jeff Sessions. Rosenstein appointed Mueller and gave him a very narrow area he could investigate. Mueller also a republican. There sure are a lot of evil Republicans involved in your insane conspiracy theory. All these guys have been life long republicans and they were weaponized? How? Paid off? Blackmailed? How did this magic happen?
Working with the Russians in your duties as taking over president is WAY different than working with the Russians to over throw the US like the liar democrats tried to divide the country with.

Again, you have been wrong for 3 years. Trump is your president.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-17-2020, 8:20 AM Reply   
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ses-in-us.html

So, when the US is hitting 200,000 dead around election time, how is that going to help re-elect the grifter?
Remember when he said, "Its like a wave, it will all just wash away". Well, the wave isnt cresting, it just keeps rolling along. Look at the graph, charts. Numbers going up.
Great time to start packing in 19,000 to an indoor rally, packed like cattle... But they cant sue trump Inc. if they get Covid.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       06-17-2020, 8:25 AM Reply   
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You and a whole lot of other angry, twisted nuts and boogaloo bois have created this absurd fantasy in your mind (fueled by a whole lot of actual fake news) in order to justify your hatred. The funny part that per usual your ridiculous arguments are complete contradictions:
We have the videos of democrat beating up Trump Supporters and conservative speakers. Hatred is you democrats. ALWAYS complaining about something. Always trying to take away others rights. Always trying to subvert US laws. Running around like taliban trying to steralize your history. Trying to get rid of the evidence of how you historically treated blacks on other minorities.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-17-2020, 8:28 AM Reply   
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Working with the Russians in your duties as taking over president is WAY different than working with the Russians to over throw the US like the liar democrats tried to divide the country with.

Again, you have been wrong for 3 years. Trump is your president.
When the goal is personal benefit, not the benefit of the country...then that isnt the duty of a pres, is it? Weak try. Obama sanctioned Russia on 12/29/16, Flynn on the phone before trump inaugurated in Jan. Flynn working against US policy relating to Russia. Thats treasonous.
When the impeached POTUS stands in front of cameras at the WH and all he does is blame Democrats for his mistakes...that is dividing the country. Last i heard Republicans control Senate and WH.
Trump is Impeached. He has a few more months to F with the country before we start getting things corrected.
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