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Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       11-03-2017, 10:39 AM Reply   
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bowe-berg...064415009.html

I listened to a very long podcast serial/season 2) that went into depth about this event

It was very interesting. I highly recommend it

I completely disagree with this judges decision

Although I think life in prison would have been to much, the decision was very lenient
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-03-2017, 12:44 PM Reply   
Therr are no words for the sentence he received , that judge should be ashamed.

Not only did huessein trade terrorists for him , his direct actions led to the death of multiple soldiers, and a judge lets him walk free for being a coward and a few other choice words. Kick in the nuts to every serviceman and woman currently enlisted and those past .

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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-03-2017, 12:53 PM Reply   
I to checkd out the Serial Series on Bergdahl. I'm not quite sure if I caught all the episodes. but for those of you who didn't know, I will give my rendition of what happened and Ord27 perhaps you can fill me in.


Bergdahl is at an outpost in Afghanistan, He is unhappy with the conditions at this outpost. He feels the best way to draw attention to the conditions at this outpost is to go M.I.A. He say's in his interviews that by him leaving his post that will draw the full attention of the Military to go looking for him and then when they catch up with him he will have the highest ranking people in the military asking him questions ect.

He says he wanted to leave his post. Go for a stroll in the desert & make his way to the next US outpost.
along the way, the Taliban spotted him & picked him up.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-03-2017, 1:21 PM Reply   
You left out a few key details , like the bullets, carnage, and scene he was responsible for creating involving these brave warriors. Would love to have heard their accounts of the situation and what they endured as a result Bergdahl’s actions at his sentencing.

Service to one's country that ends so tragically is the highest form of patriotism.
Never forget the brave souls that lost their lives tracking this deserter down.

2nd Lieutenant Darryn Andrews, 34, Dallas, Texas
Staff Sergeant Michael Murphrey, 25, Snyder, Texas
Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, 29, San Antonio, Texas
Staff Sergeant Kurt Curtiss, 27, Murray, Utah
Private 1st Class Morris Walker, 23, Chapel Hill, N.C.
Private 1st Class Matthew Martinek, 20, DeKalb, Ill.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-03-2017, 2:47 PM Reply   
Thanks for filling us in on the details like I said I didn’t watch the entire podcast and had no idea how many or if anyone lost their lives looking for this dumbass. The loss of life looking for this clown changes everything
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-03-2017, 4:15 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
You left out a few key details , like the bullets, carnage, and scene he was responsible for creating involving these brave warriors. Would love to have heard their accounts of the situation and what they endured as a result Bergdahl’s actions at his sentencing.

Service to one's country that ends so tragically is the highest form of patriotism.
Never forget the brave souls that lost their lives tracking this deserter down.

2nd Lieutenant Darryn Andrews, 34, Dallas, Texas
Staff Sergeant Michael Murphrey, 25, Snyder, Texas
Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, 29, San Antonio, Texas
Staff Sergeant Kurt Curtiss, 27, Murray, Utah
Private 1st Class Morris Walker, 23, Chapel Hill, N.C.
Private 1st Class Matthew Martinek, 20, DeKalb, Ill.
I know it's disappointing when the facts get in the way of a good story, but...
https://serialpodcast.org/posts/2016...e-at-long-last
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       11-03-2017, 4:58 PM Reply   
he believed that his immediate supervisors were putting the unit in unnecessary danger. He says that he tried to follow the chain of command, but was not listened to.
Apparently, there is a code or clause that led him to believe that if he deserted his post for a bit, he'd get a meeting with the heads of all of the branches....not just the one that he is in. That was his goal. He says that , with such a meeting, he could finally complain to someone that would listen
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-03-2017, 8:07 PM Reply   
He knew what the Military response would be. He knew units would risk life looking for him. So In my opinion “if” any troops were injured or killed looking for this idiot he deserves to pay for that
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-03-2017, 8:29 PM Reply   
Yeah but looks like there weren't dispite what Mr heal spurs says. I'm not going to judge this guy harshly from the comfort of my lounge in my jocks.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-03-2017, 8:56 PM Reply   
You know what else is disappointing , posting an article that proves ones case that people in the military were killed and severely injured as a direct result of his actions.


I’ll quote the article for you since you don’t seem to read til the end



However, we’ve seen one 15-6 that does mention Bergdahl. No one was killed on that particular mission, but some men were badly injured, including retired Master Sergeant Mark Allen. He was part of a six-man team that joined up with 52 Afghan soldiers in Kushamond on July 7, 2009—a week after Bergdahl disappeared. They set out on foot to knock on doors and talk to village leaders. (ETT stand for embedded training team—in this case, US soldiers who are supposed to train and mentor Afghan forces; KLE stands for key leader engagement; CF is coalition forces; ANSF is Afghan national security forces.)


“Whereabouts of the DUSTWUN” means Bergdahl. The second day of the patrol, they came under attack. Allen was shot in the head. One man was hit in the hand by an RPG; another was wounded by shrapnel.

This report includes an extensive discussion about what went wrong on this mission. It says the patrol was horribly planned and badly executed in every possible way. Which is in line with what some soldiers and commanders told us in interviews: that in the days and weeks right after Bergdahl left his outpost, there was such a scramble to find him that soldiers were sometimes left under-equipped and vulnerable. But whether any deaths can be attributed to the search for Bergdahl, according to the Army, the answer seems to be no.


I have also read articles debunking a few of those reports based on soldiers interviews. The word “seems” should be key here . Several of the “primary missions” your article points out have been challenged by soldiers and command staff alike . I’ll leave it at that. So don’t let the facts get in the way of sticking up for a coward . I am sure he just was looking for his “safe zone” If you’re gonna link an article to disprove something you should probably read the entire article all the way to the end . One thing your article also fails to acknowledge is the casualties on the Afghan side for soldiers helping U.S. troops.

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Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-03-2017, 8:58 PM Reply   
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Yeah but looks like there weren't dispite what Mr heal spurs says. I'm not going to judge this guy harshly from the comfort of my lounge in my jocks.
I don’t know. Getting shot in the head and hit by an rpg and getting hit by shrapnel while going village to village searching for a soldier that deserted his post, I believe speaks for itself
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-04-2017, 6:52 AM Reply   
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One thing your article also fails to acknowledge is the casualties on the Afghan side for soldiers helping U.S. troops.
If you were better prepared, you would of had a list of lies for that as well.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-04-2017, 7:53 AM Reply   
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I have also read articles debunking a few of those reports based on soldiers interviews. The word “seems” should be key here . Several of the “primary missions” your article points out have been challenged by soldiers and command staff alike . I’ll leave it at that. So don’t let the facts get in the way of sticking up for a coward . I am sure he just was looking for his “safe zone” If you’re gonna link an article to disprove something you should probably read the entire article all the way to the end . One thing your article also fails to acknowledge is the casualties on the Afghan side for soldiers helping U.S. troops.
Yeah man I read to the end. I didn't see the part where it said that the six people you identified were killed. I did see citations to primary source documents. But I guess I should take your word for it that other people said that those official reports were debunked.

To me, the most significantly disappointing thing about your omnipotent superiority is that you choose to share your absolute knowledge of what happened and to whom here, rather than with the Army. Army prosecutors only argued that three soldiers were injured (one paralyzed permanently... no small sacrifice, for sure), but not that six were killed or that Afghans were killed or injured. If they had had your superior knowledge on their side, maybe he would be serving time.

https://www.stripes.com/news/prosecu...riday-1.495903

Should the prosecutors be disciplined for incompetence?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-04-2017, 8:00 AM Reply   
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Should the prosecutors be disciplined for incompetence?
Trump wouldn't recommend that. It would be hitting too close to home. But maybe he can get his toad Jeff Sessions to go after the defense for confusing the prosecution.
Old     (onthecreek)      Join Date: Apr 2013       11-04-2017, 10:33 PM Reply   
**** sandwich all around. Everyone takes a bite and no one is a winner.

Traitor who got to spend more time than he ever bargained for with his captors. They were probably tired of his stupid ass.

Fellow troops at least injured looking for the idiot.

Moron Obama and his troops of nincompoops who tried to claim he served with honor and distinction.

American people left with paying for his incarceration?....firing squad, please.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       11-05-2017, 8:36 AM Reply   
If one of us were to drive drunk, hit several parked cars, run through a building and cause tens of thousands of dollars in damage, break several bones, land in a hospital in a coma......we would get no consideration for our pain and suffering (rightfully so)

In fact, when we came to in the hospital, handcuffed to the bed, we'd be escorted to a jail cell.

After being found guilty, we'd have to pay for damage, pay for hospital, and do jail time (again....rightfully so)

how is this any different?

his captivity and current mental state should have no bearing on sentencing

he should not only get jail time, he should get a bill for all or some of what it cost the military to search for him

the following article (I didn't read it all), suggests that Trump's criticism weighed in as leniency towards his sentence

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...163724068.html


WTF !!!!!!
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-05-2017, 10:37 AM Reply   
^^^ I Agree. My wife’s friend was parked on the side of the road waiting for her kid to get out of school. A girl was texting and not paying attention and rear ended her destroyed her car and sending her to the hospital. But guess what No charges “it was a accident” now take the same scenario and add 2-3 beers in the driver and it’s a whole different story. What I protest to is the result for the Victum is the same wether it’s a “accident “ or you did it on purpose.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-05-2017, 10:38 AM Reply   
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the following article (I didn't read it all), suggests that Trump's criticism weighed in as leniency towards his sentence

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...163724068.html


WTF !!!!!!
So you don't get how Trump's lack of self control could have a negative impact of issues like this? It's absolutely inappropriate for the President to be creating his own brand of justice for citizens of this country. Having the President telling the country that someone should be punished according to how he thinks contradicts the basic principles of justice, and complicates the integrity of the courts to be impartial. His big mouth was the same reason he had so much trouble with his Muslim ban.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-05-2017, 11:12 AM Reply   
Yes but that is exactly the same attitude that nincompoops here think they know better than a military judge who sat through all the court proceedings, accessed all the info and then came to an opinion.

He must be wrong! I'm smarter and better informed after 2 mins of Googling than that fool!
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       11-05-2017, 12:09 PM Reply   
nincompoops huh?

aren't forums like these used to express opinions?

I don't think people think that they are smarter, just have a difference in ideology

and....I don't agree with Trump running his mouth, but I also don't think that it should be weighed in the decision making
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-05-2017, 12:45 PM Reply   
We both agree that what Trump thinks should not be part of the decision making. Unfortunately when Trump opens his mouth the judge has to consider that the highest authority of the US has weighed in to obstruct justice in the case. It appears that noting Trump's abuse of position leading to the consideration of leniency would help prevent using that in an appeal.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-05-2017, 4:47 PM Reply   
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nincompoops huh?

aren't forums like these used to express opinions?

I don't think people think that they are smarter, just have a difference in ideology
Ha ha, yeah no offense. Yes, the forum is to express opinions and IMO serves a very necessary purpose.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       11-06-2017, 3:01 PM Reply   
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nincompoops huh?

aren't forums like these used to express opinions?

I don't think people think that they are smarter, just have a difference in ideology

and....I don't agree with Trump running his mouth, but I also don't think that it should be weighed in the decision making
So wait. Darren uses "nincompoops" and you have a problem. This guy uses "nincompoops" a few posts earlier, and you say nothing.
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**** sandwich all around. Everyone takes a bite and no one is a winner.

Traitor who got to spend more time than he ever bargained for with his captors. They were probably tired of his stupid ass.

Fellow troops at least injured looking for the idiot.

Moron Obama and his troops of nincompoops who tried to claim he served with honor and distinction.

American people left with paying for his incarceration?....firing squad, please.
At least be genuine in your complaints.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       11-06-2017, 5:31 PM Reply   
good catch Jeremy. I don't always read all of the posts

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