Mastercraft X2 vs. Nautique SAN 210

Wanted to take a quick poll and see what everyone's opinion was because I'm having a super tough time deciding which boat I want to buy...I love the wake equally on both boats, as well as the options, and the all around boats themselves...

2004 Mastercraft X2 vs. 2004 SAN 210

...simple scenario: if these two boats had the same hours, same price, similar options...which one would you go for and why? Personal pro's and/or con's on either or?
Thanks guys!

Dude, flip a coin. Maybe a little more storage in the X2. Better wake with less weight on the SAN. Racks are better on the X2. If the SAN has the 2000-2003 FCT then the tower are the equal. If you surf I am guessing the S2 will have a better wake on the port side while the SAN will have a better surf wake on the Starboard.

lol your profile says you have both

well the X-2s are more common and cheaper than the 210 but ceteris parabis the X-2 wake is more flat. Imagine a wood board leaning on a curb to make a ramp, this is the X-2 wake. Then take the same board and make a quater pipe out of it, this is a SAN 210.

The weight and fuel consumption theory is some what controversial here.

Bruce -these are the boats I've always ridden behind, and its time for me to step up to the plate...hence the tough decision.
I know both wakes inside out..I've been banging my head against the wall trying to decide which on for months now.

I couldn't imagine how you could like both wakes equally when their so different. I'd probably go SAN. Both boats are nice but the 210 will hold it's value better and likely have less problems.

the x2's are cheaper?

210 - same wake but less weight needed.

I've owned both and they are both 100% wake machines!!

The wakes are really different between the two, but I liked them both also.
In the end we went with the 210 because: fuel consumption (the CC was way more efficient) and some very little anoying things on the X (hot wiring the heater and shower switches for example, we leave our boat in the harbour and hit twice the shower when putting the cover on. Luckily discovered it on time before leaving the harbour).

I don't know which one is best, finest, durable, etc. But at that time (2 years back) we went for the CC. But I would never turn down a ride behind a X...

Being a heavier rider, I like the X-2 better. I tend to punch through the 210 wake and get better pop off of the X-2.

210

An MC owner will say x2 a CC owner will say 210.

Why would you listen to anyone here as to performance? It's gonna be different from person to person.

Your best option is to test both boats and you decide. After all who's boat is it going to be?

And as a MC owner you probably know my choice

NADA base price, no options, average retail.

CC210 TE = $36170.00
MC X2 = $29380.00

If you had the same year and same hours and the boats were $6790.00 apart I would have to go with the MC (surprise!)

IMHO you cant go wrong with either one.

I say go sit in the passenger seat of both boat's. See if your head hits the window frame on the X2 when your sitting in the passenger seat looking backwards and then see if your beer fits in the cup holder passenger side up near the window.

Im 6-2 my head hits the window frame when sitting in the passenger seat and my Corrona will not fit in the passenger side cup holder. X2
UNACCEPTABLE

Is there any difference in the dealer? If you like both boats equally, sometimes which dealer will provide the best service could be the deciding factor.

I love the kick of the 210, but at the same time have ridden my best behind the X2 with about 2500 #'s in it.
Billy -the market is all over the place right now..the 210's I'm finding are only about 2K higher than the X-2's.
G -great point, I'm 5'10'' and my head comes really close to that passenger window...I never thought of that, thank you.
Stevo -The Nautique dealer is down the street, whereas the Mastercraft dealer is 1 hour away (however there are shops closer than do work on Mastercrafts..old Mastercraft dealers that have gone out of biz).

I like both wakes too. Here are some factors I would think about.

Will you often have recreational or new wakeboarders in your boat? Yes - X2, The table on the SAN is a good bit more punishing for persons learning to go w2w.

Do you surf regular? Yes - X2, I think '04 still had the old prop rotation, but will say the surf wave on the X2 is nothing to brag about.

I would also factor in what your local dealers service department is like for each line.

If you are going to put a lot of hours on it each season, the efficiency of a SAN will be more appreciated. The X2 will make a macking wake, but it takes more weight than the SAN and requires more sacs outside the automated balast system.

do any of you have the larger block in the CC 210? Is it necessary or overkill?

I have an 01 SAN with the GT-40. I regularly ride with over 2500lbs and the motor is good but it does take some time to plane. I would love to have the python. I would say that unless you are regularly putting in tons of weight then you really dont need the python.

SAN 210's With the Python motor or 502 are pretty rare. They have the raised Sun-pad to fit the larger motor and they have Straight exhaust because there is no room for a muffler. They sound awesome, but the extra gas it uses with cost ya. I say stick with the the GT-40

Both have great wakes for wakeboarding. Do you surf? X2 has better surf wake especially if you ride regular; 210 will have better starboard side surf wake.

the 210 surf wake is WAY better... both sides, I've never seen an older x-star/2/1 with a good surf setup

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By "G" (grant_west) on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 10:57 am:
SAN 210's With the Python motor or 502 are pretty rare. They have the raised Sun-pad to fit the larger motor and they have Straight exhaust because there is no room for a muffler. They sound awesome, but the extra gas it uses with cost ya. I say stick with the the GT-40

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My dad has a Python. It uses less gas than my old '06 210 when we are at the local lake, where are only wakeboarding. At Lake Powell it used only about 10 gallons more. The 502 gets on plane much, much faster than anything else and therefore is more efficient when pulling a wakeboarder who falls a lot or those who use a lot of additional weight.

Sam thats definately TMI about your Dad.

Bahahahaha. Python.

Gt-40 for life.

Billy: LOL
Sam. My buddy said his SAN with a 502 Python would go threw almost 2 tanks in one day. Harrolds SAN with a GT-40 wakeboarding and wakesurfing all day long would go threw a tank in one day. Im just telling you what my buddy with the 502 said.
Infact it was for sale in the Boats for sale section it was a All black with white stripe SAN.

Sam -Definitely tmi! hahahahaha!!

I do surf...I'm goofy footed. Yeah, I would have to agree that I have never seen a decent pre-06 X surf wake -but I primarily board, so that's not too much of a concern for me.

**Just for claification..is the GT-40 the Excalibur engine?

(Message edited by salsajs3030 on December 12, 2008)

lol grant about the corona. it is unfortunate, i noticed that right off the bat. don't know how on earth you're hitting your head on the frame though. lol. actually, i think the coronas fit, but only if they're half empty, they slide in at an angle. dangle of the angle.

(Message edited by brucemac on December 12, 2008)

I can speak from experience with the 502 in my dad's boat. We have run both boats side by side at the same time, with the same gas, with similar riders and similar weight and his does a little better on gas when pulling riders all day long. When cruising around the lake the for long distances the regular engine my old '06 did better. My dad's boat has the "Team" prop and my boat had the stock prop that came with the signature series package.

No, GT-40 was pre-excalibur. I think they stopped using the GT-40 in 02 or 03. The GT-40 is a Ford and the Excalibur is GM, I believe.

I've also read the same thing multiple times on PN about the gas consumption from the 502. I have no experience with that boat, but most of the guys over there say the difference in consumption is pretty negligible. The 502 sounds like a BEAST though, gotta love it.

(Message edited by sperbet on December 12, 2008)

hey grant, correction, you can get a corona in one of the 2 cupholders, just not the 1 by the windshield

you are thinking about this way to much. Scratch both these boats off the list and get the best. X STAR BABY every body knows it some are just afraid to admitted it.

Not a fan -sorry Wes. Plus, its too heavy for my tow vehicle and way out of my price range.

Surf wake of the 210 can be good... Standard ballast and with 2 or 3 people in the boat (not sure anymore)..

210 other side only 440 on that side in the rear, 500 mid, 4 people


here is the wakeboard wake - 1500lbs - 3 people
23.5/24 mph

I am in the process of ordering a 09 210
I have everything picked except the engine
5.7 343hp or 6.0 409hp. I have been told
the 409 is overkill. I will probably never
use extra weight.I do like the closed cooling
system on the 409 and one of my only regrets
I have with my current Supra is I should have
gone with the big block. You can always throttle
down.

If you get the little one and plan to never use more weight you can always change the prop to get more hole shot or top end.

My only thing would be how much gas it is using, but if you're able to drop that kind of money I doubt it will hurt you too badly.

the 409 might have better resale

The 6.0L is the same size as the 5.7L.
The 6.0L is 20lbs lighter and has aluminum
heads. I don't think gas mileage will change
much unless I am at full throttle a lot.

I would say the '04 210 but then I'm a Nautique bigot (at least for now)...

Other than the tower on the '04 210 being hideous, I would flip a coin.

It doesn't look THAT bad
And as far as function, I've heard its one of the better towers of its time...thoughts on that?

Yeah, it's a solid tower for sure. Some people dislike the flight clips on them, others like them. I wouldn't let the tower sway my decision on these particular boats.

The 6.0 is a bigger engine then the 5.7
If I am no mistaken it is a 396 Block.
5.7 is a 350 block.

I have the 343 HP in my 08 210 and I believe its fine, I would like to get a new prop some time down the road since I add weight but dont have the money at this time.

Justin the 04 was a bad year for the tower. The tower was gen 2 in 03 and in 04 they rolled out a new tower. The tower was unstable and created blind spots for the driver. CC went back to the 2nd gen tower for 05.

The Gen2 tower is almost identical to the FCT1 now available on the 09. They changed the FCT1 from 08 to 09 and the new one looks like the old Gen2 to me. I am a huge fan of that tower but I am going with the FCT2 Titan on my 2009.

To the original poster. I'd go with the SAN 210 over the X2. IMO the CC just has a better feel than the MC. I have a friend with an 05 X2 and the fit and finish is not in the same league as CC from the same time period. I haven't been in a newer MC so I can't speak there.

I had an 04 210 and the tower isn't that bad. It is very sturdy, just the look most people don't like. I never had an issue with a blind spot. You could always look an 03 or 05. Pretty much identical boats except for graphics.

(Message edited by aarond0083 on December 17, 2008)

Thanks for the info guys.

In regards to the gel coat problems for 2004: I specifically know of a couple boats that had a couple extra coats on one side of the hull, making the boat weigh more on one side...does any one know if this defect occurred on more than just a handful of 2004 SAN 210's??

I never heard of this issue Justin. Sounds a little strange to me.

About the 2004, as far as I know are these towers as solid as can be, but some people don't like the looks of it. I think the tower looks good on a 226 or 211, but it isn't the tower for a 210. If you find a nice 2004, don't swing it away from it.

Thanks for the info on the tower..from the previous postings it sounds to be 'weaker', but I've been pulled behind both and couldn't really tell a difference.
I actually don't mind the way it looks, just more ovalish/rounded on the sides and stands a little higher up top (so it appears).

The issue about the heavier gel coat on one side is real -I personally know of 4 boats it happened to. Just wasn't sure if it was anymore than that.

210 All the way. MC no thanks for me.