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Old     (bryan_hansen)      Join Date: Aug 2008       08-12-2009, 10:32 AM Reply   
The Chico State Wakeboard Team will be riding behind a 2009 Tige 22ve this year and we need to order sacks. How much weight and where should we put it?
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-12-2009, 10:38 AM Reply   
40% front 60% back IMO. Anything more in the back will cause the TAPS plate not to function as it should. $.02

When you get a chance, head over to tigeowners.com/forum and log onto the forum over there and pose all the questions that you want.
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-12-2009, 10:42 AM Reply   
BTW, you will need to reprop that boat with >1000 lbs of weight.

Acme 1235
Old     (wakeborder5)      Join Date: Jun 2002       08-12-2009, 10:47 AM Reply   
David, I don't know if you're experienced with 22v's but I run the stock ballast (250 lbs in each compartment for 1000lbs) and a 500-700lb sack that I can move around and currently put in the middle of the walkway and run the taps at 2 or so. The boat porpoises a little easier than I'd like, don't know if you suggest moving the sack to the back to fully drop the butt down or more in the nose to hold it down.
Old     (pavement_rider)      Join Date: Feb 2009       08-12-2009, 11:39 AM Reply   
It's a Tige it doesn't need any ballast. Don't ya'll read there adds bye bye ballast LOL
Old     (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       08-12-2009, 12:03 PM Reply   
Does the 09 have stock ballast that you will be adding to?

I'd say keep it closer to a 50/50 split.
Old     (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       08-12-2009, 12:12 PM Reply   
I will tell you the wake I saw at a contest on the RZ2 was big and meaty not sure how they weighted it. You can ask forte. Thats a great boat rides awesome!
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-12-2009, 12:57 PM Reply   
Ray, move the sacks towards the front to stop the porpoising. $.02

TigeMike has the ideal thought but 50/50 would definitely keep a good wake shape when <19 mph. My wife likes to ride at 18 mph still. with 40(front)/60(back), going 22 mph+ is ideal from what I experience with the RZ2.

RZ2 and 22Ve are the same size boats. RZ2 weighs more and has a different hull rocker shape.

TigeMike has a 22Ve and could be the reason why he is suggesting the 50/50.
Old     (wakeboarder2687)      Join Date: Aug 2004       08-12-2009, 12:59 PM Reply   
Try stock, 2 of the 370lb sacks under the rear seats, 2 400lbs stacked in the front/walkway. Still room to stash lead if you want it. Let me know if you have any other questions. Those would be the pro-x sacks I was referring to.
Old     (bryan_hansen)      Join Date: Aug 2008       08-12-2009, 5:23 PM Reply   
TigeMike, the boat does have the stock ballast. With the 50/50 split, what do you run the taps at? Thanks for all the help guys.
Old     (lcky275)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-12-2009, 5:30 PM Reply   
I have a 22V and run a integrated bow sac, 350 in the walkway, 2 X 450s in the lockers and 400lbs of pop bags spread around. I love it, but I want to try the 750s in the rear.

Taps between 3-5
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-12-2009, 5:34 PM Reply   
Bryan, you can run the TAPS around 4-6 at 22 MPH. The hulls shouldn't be that much of a difference when it comes to TAPS.

Adding more TAPS the faster you go will help to keep the wake form, not the size. If I were to go 27 MPH, my TAPS would be towards 7 or 8 but at 21 MPH, my TAPS would be more like 4-6.

The range depends upon gear and how much weight you have in the boat

(Message edited by dabell on August 12, 2009)
Old     (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       08-12-2009, 5:35 PM Reply   
22-24 mph, TAPS @ 2-3.
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-12-2009, 5:38 PM Reply   
^^^ TigeMike, you must like a rounded wake.
Old     (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       08-12-2009, 5:46 PM Reply   
Better then having the bow in the air cause the TAPS is all the way up when wakeboarding at 27 mph
Old     (wakeborder5)      Join Date: Jun 2002       08-12-2009, 6:25 PM Reply   
Lucky, what speed do you run?
Old     (jasonwm)      Join Date: Mar 2009       08-12-2009, 10:08 PM Reply   
Definitely 50/50, possibly even 60/40 front to rear to help keep the wake clean. Tige's need more weight up front than other boats in our experience to prevent the wake from crumbling.
Old     (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       08-13-2009, 4:01 AM Reply   
Heres is what i'd go with: Fly High W701 V-drive set (400lb ea) for the rear, and a W707 (750lb) for the walkway. This will give you 1550lb's on top of the stock 900lb's (I believe the stock bow sac holds more then advertised 400, so the stock is closer to 1K). This will give as close to a 50/50 split.

Bryan, the TAPS setting will change with speed, the number of peeps in the boat and amount of ballast filled.
Old     (pavement_rider)      Join Date: Feb 2009       08-13-2009, 11:36 AM Reply   
Whats all this ballast talk my tige reps sez we don't need it
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-13-2009, 11:49 AM Reply   
"All other inboards require heavy ballast or drag hardware to produce even entry–level wakeboarding wakes. A major hassle, it’s a fact of life locked–into the hooked, static hull design. Well, Tigé has changed all that. With its patented rocker shape and full trim capability, the Tigé ConvexV hull settles naturally at wakeboarding or surfing speeds, creating tremendous water displacement and huge wakes without ballast. Want to boost the Tigé wake even more? You’ll find that your Tigé needs far less ballast than all other inboards to achive the same pro–level results." http://tige.com/convex.php
Old     (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       08-13-2009, 11:53 AM Reply   
Hay Gary, it wasn't funny when you posted the same joke in this thread 4 days ago
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       08-13-2009, 12:04 PM Reply   
Bell was offended!

It is pretty funny to read the marketing hoopla from their site after discussing all these ballast setups, one of which totalled 2500 lbs....

Who cares at this point. Glad you guys are happy with your boats, but isn't the whole mktg scheme pretty pointless?
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-13-2009, 12:27 PM Reply   
Nope, not offended. I laugh because everyone starts to jump onto the same old bandwagon to pounce on Tige and their statements regarding ballast. It's better to point out the facts from Tige vice getting into a discussion when ignorance is involved.

"isn't the whole mktg scheme pretty pointless?"

No ballast is effective for the novice boarder. More experience boarders would rather have ballast.

Pointless? Nope.
Marketed differently than other manufacturers? Yes
Effective? Well, you can decide that

Now, what are we talking about?

(Message edited by dabell on August 13, 2009)
Old     (wake1823)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-13-2009, 12:33 PM Reply   
sink the 22ve if you can and get the 24ve.

the wake is night and day better.
Old     (pavement_rider)      Join Date: Feb 2009       08-13-2009, 12:34 PM Reply   
I don't know seemed to get under dabells skin. He just about restated word for word Tige's marketing outline which really goes against all that is being suggested here. I think it's still funny That Tige markets no need for ballast yet when they send their boats out for events they are fully loaded. So yes it is funny
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       08-13-2009, 12:53 PM Reply   
"It's better to point out the facts from Tige vice getting into a discussion when ignorance is involved."

Yea, but it doesn't sound like those are actual facts since you guys are putting 2500 lbs in your "no ballast needed" boats.

Carry on.. Like I said, who cares. I'm not getting into a pissing match on a nice Thursday like this over some turd weights his boat. enjoy.
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-13-2009, 1:05 PM Reply   
Gary, no it doesn't get under my skin. Honestly it doesn't. You guys seem to think it does and I am only stating what Tige has said. I prefer ballast in my Tige. However, I find it funny that you guys continue to pound Tige and what their marketing ploy is. This is what Tige wants.. Free advertising from you and me. With that, I say that Tige has one brilliant marketing team and apparently you have been caught in the act of publishing this case for Tige. Thanks

I have boarded behind plenty of other boats without a ballast system. Some manufacturers suggest that they don't need a ballast system also.

FYI: The TAPS plate along with the Convex2 Hull are designed to sink the arse end of the boat into the water. This technic is also done with ballast so the wake becomes bigger.

Do you need ballast in a Tige boat? IMHO, Yes.

Is ballast always needed? Nope and can be said along side every other boat manufacturer that produces a boat in todays market. Can you ride behind your boat without ballast? I would think "yes"

Nacho: I don't see where I posted "no ballast needed" in my posts. I have suggest that they need it. Tige doesn't say it's not needed either. It says wakes without ballast. Nothing about "no ballast needed"

(Message edited by dabell on August 13, 2009)
Old     (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       08-13-2009, 1:18 PM Reply   
You guys want to talk marketing? Lets talk about the 2 brands that claim to have the best wakes in the industry, but yet thier owners will add on up to an additional 2K on top of the stock ballast before they are happy with it. Sounds like borderline false and misleading advertising. Tige is very clear, ballast is not needed for every rider/owner, but they offer it for those that do. If you guys would wipe the hateraid out of your eyes, you could read and comprehend this concept. But instead, you continue to whip a dead horse that has been dead, buried, resurrected, beat some more, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. The only dealers pushing "no ballast needed" dont have an F'n clue about towboats $.02.
Old     (fic)      Join Date: May 2008       08-13-2009, 4:11 PM Reply   
Other owners add ballast on ballast , Tige owners add ballast onto convect v , same end result,as far as the average family goes with young children they probably wont need any for quite some time, and thats provided they stay with the sport, but its always been there for anybody who wants to check off the option sheet.
You can purchase a Malibu or a Centurion with a wedge its an option, should it to be standard. Should all the boats come with 2, 3, 4 or more ballast tanks, whats the magic number.
I personally like to be able to pick and choose what will fit my familys needs.
Old     (pavement_rider)      Join Date: Feb 2009       08-13-2009, 4:53 PM Reply   
does not does not does not get under my skin
Then why the 3 page post to justify what Tige sez you don't need
Old     (lcky275)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-13-2009, 5:17 PM Reply   
Ray,
I run 22.5 to 23 mph.

Next time you want to argue about ballast vs no ballast, just link to any of the 500 other discussions, please. It wastes everyone elses time.

I came back to this thread expecting constructive advice, and it's the s.o.s. Grow up.
Old     (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-13-2009, 5:48 PM Reply   
Gary, because you are probably a 15 year old punk that doesn't know any better. :-) And I like to mess around with your head. You continue to show your head back in the thread and I NEVER get tired of talking about Tige

Now tell me Tige doesn't think you need ballast!!!!

http://tigeowners.com/news.php?page=article&id=87
Old     (will5150)      Join Date: Oct 2002       08-14-2009, 8:58 AM Reply   
i run 350 on either side of the engine and 600 in the walk- the wake rocks.
Old     (duckboat)      Join Date: Jul 2009       08-18-2009, 4:26 PM Reply   
Test drove a tige and liked how the taps cleaned up the wake. Factory ballast on the surf side the meat of the wake was starting to form. Good start needs more.
Old     (wakeborder5)      Join Date: Jun 2002       08-19-2009, 3:05 PM Reply   
Lucky, I'll have to try that out, but from my experience, with around 2k and the front/back ratio at 50/50 I have to run 23.7 with the taps at 2 or 3
Old     (premierwake136)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-19-2009, 3:35 PM Reply   
i have a 24v
i put 800 right on the floor. 22 mph and its perfect
Old     (mikeporter2000)      Join Date: Oct 2005       08-20-2009, 9:10 AM Reply   
I have a 2003 22V. Here is my setup:

- two fly high side sacs under the bow seats - 250 each - 500 pounds

- 1 fly high rear seat sack under the floor in the bow. Doesn't fill all the way, so say 500 pounds

- Two Launch Pads, one in each locker, 550 pounds each, 1100 pounds total

- 60 pounds of lead in each front storage locker, or 120 pounds total

- 120 pounds of lead on each side of the main cockpit, 240 pounds total

So the net is:
- 1120 in the bow/front
- 240 in the main cockpit
- 1100 in the rear
TOTAL = 2460 pounds

I run the taps at 3 or 4, depending on how steep the rider likes the wake.

Bottom line, on the 22v (or ve) I would agree with the 50/50 assessment of weight front to back. The wake is sick.

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